Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Brickdoctor]

In other news, following the most bizarre Arena battle ever, we have... the most boring Arena battle ever.

[Dannylonglegs]

In other news, following the most bizarre Arena battle ever, we have... the most boring Arena battle ever.

You're telling me. Probably the longest too. I think we should all three of us devote an IRL hour to finish this battle. It's gone on for days.

Oh! I just realized! Shouldn't my Ranger's Quiver be calculated into the damage rolls?

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Edited May 15, 2013 by Dannylonglegs

[LordoftheNoobs]

Also, we have a TV Tropes page now. Thanks to Endgame for actually starting the thing and prompting me to actually make an account. I've been adding trope examples all afternoon.

Ugh, FINALLY!

[Waterbrick Down]

You're telling me. Probably the longest too. I think we should all three of us devote an IRL hour to finish this battle. It's gone on for days.

Oh! I just realized! Shouldn't my Ranger's Quiver be calculated into the damage rolls?

~Insectoid Aristocrat

It could be over in a single few rounds, if people weren't so conservative on the consumables.

Edited May 15, 2013 by Waterbrick Down

[CMP]

Poisoned and Badly Poisoned don't stack, JimB. Badly Poisoned takes precedence.

[Dannylonglegs]

It could be over in a single few rounds, if people weren't so conservative on the consumables.

To be fair, I have no tonics and he has no remedies. He could use a bomb, but that would hardly damage me. I could use my venom, but that might save me one round in the long run while costing me one round to aply. I cannot damage him as of yet at all basically because of his obnoxious SP and he cannot touch me because he's blind and by virtue of his new class cannot use magic. when I run out of ether things will get interesting if I haven't killed him, since he's right in saying I depend on luck to beat him still. Once he gets a clean shot at me I'm toast because he can 1HK. That's why I'm not playing fair. I've done the math.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[CMP]

To be fair, I have no tonics and he has no remedies. He could use a bomb, but that would hardly damage me. I could use my venom, but that might save me one round in the long run while costing me one round to aply. I cannot damage him as of yet at all basically because of his obnoxious SP and he cannot touch me because he's blind and by virtue of his new class cannot use magic. when I run out of ether things will get interesting if I haven't killed him, since he's right in saying I depend on luck to beat him still. Once he gets a clean shot at me I'm toast because he can 1HK. That's why I'm not playing fair. I've done the math.

Then why did you challenge him to a duel in the first place?

[Dannylonglegs]

Then why did you challenge him to a duel in the first place?

So that I could go first, blind him and then slowly chip away at his armor until I could kill him.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[CMP]

So that I could go first, blind him and then slowly chip away at his armor until I could kill him.

I meant as in why did you challenge him if you knew it was going to take an eternity to get rid of his defense?

[Dannylonglegs]

I meant as in why did you challenge him if you knew it was going to take an eternity to get rid of his defense?

Because some men just want to watch the world burn. FortheEvulz.

A combination of I thought we could Auto-roll and Who else (apart from any witch with a blind scroll) but I (with a blind scroll and an SP decreasing item) could beat his high SP and SP defying weapon. Even the resident tank thought it was a bad idea.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Edited May 15, 2013 by Dannylonglegs

[Brickdoctor]

Who else (apart from any witch with a blind scroll) but I (with a blind scroll and an SP decreasing item) could beat his high SP and SP defying weapon. Even the resident tank thought it was a bad idea.

I thought it was a bad idea for someone dependent on SP to take him on. (Plus I don't really do Damage; my Damage is dealt through tanking Free Hits and Counterstriking, something that doesn't exist in the Arena*.) A big Damage-dealer like swils, posades, WBD, or DD could probably do well. Flipz could probably pick him apart with scrolls the same way you are; he has a Scroll of Armor Sundering.

*Granted, I also have a Blinding weapon, so I could probably try to do what you're doing.

[Dannylonglegs]

I thought it was a bad idea for someone dependent on SP to take him on. (Plus I don't really do Damage; my Damage is dealt through tanking Free Hits and Counterstriking, something that doesn't exist in the Arena*.) A big Damage-dealer like swils, posades, WBD, or DD could probably do well. Flipz could probably pick him apart with scrolls the same way you are; he has a Scroll of Armor Sundering.

*Granted, I also have a Blinding weapon, so I could probably try to do what you're doing.

Exactly, though: There aren't many people who can do it. If your weapon is better than his SP you could. One of the truly heavy hitters could too without the use of blind, granted he doesn't get them first (High WP, high HP), and Flipz could certainly, and likely easier/quicker than I due to his high volume of scrolls usable per turn, but Alex has a very powerful build that most people/enemies have a hard time beating. that's why I wanted to test the strategy I'm using on him. So far, my only failure was not applying poison early on, but considering I don;t want to waste any real resources on a no-XP-gained battle, I don;t view that as a blunder. I may not be the best to beat him, but I will try.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Edited May 15, 2013 by Dannylonglegs

[Scorpiox]

So this is wrong? Granted, that article's a little more in-depth and interpretive than even I'd like, but what about something like this article, or this one?

Encyclopedias aren't supposed to make value judgments on the meaning of things; they're supposed to catalogue factual information on a given subject.

So, (extremely short) example article:

-snip-

Not really giving any meaning, just facts. If I wanted to use Sem's Sensible investments in a Quest, this would be pretty much everything I'd need.

Yeah, that wikipedia article would have been fine it it were just a plot synopsis and explanation of themes, but not a complete shakedown of the book. There's no point in reading it if the wiki just takes it to pieces with little regard to it's concept of personal meanings.

All right, I can understand the point of this wiki more now, however I still don't see it as necessary. If you want to know something about it, why not just ask WBD, he created the thing.

And in reply to that Tropes page: valiant effort, but I fear that the job could consume whatever part of your life not already devoted to Heroica. This game is so chock-full of Tropes that it'd take years to complete.

[Flipz]

All right, I can understand the point of this wiki more now, however I still don't see it as necessary. If you want to know something about it, why not just ask WBD, he created the thing.

New QMs might not even know the place exists, and would create a new investment firm--not that that's a bad thing, but part of the charm of Heroica is how characters and locations get revisited from different perspectives and how plot lines cross over with each other (heck, that's part of what made Dastan so much fun). The point of the wiki is twofold: 1.) to catalogue those things that would otherwise fall through the cracks (the bit about trading in the metals market, for example, or the fact that one of the employees is a Triple Magic junkie, or the quote Scuba dug up from Sandy about Zoot and Azazot) and 2.) to catalogue THAT things exist, so other QMs can use them. A new QM could browse through the wiki, see the page about Sem's Sensible Investments, and--because WBD's name and profile are linked prominently--they could contact WBD for more info.

I kind of alluded to this earlier, but I envision a wiki as primarily useful for QMs and potential QMs, as a resource to aid in Quest-building; for players, I'd still recommend reading the Quests and asking things in-character. Yes, individual Quests would have their own pages, but aside from a VERY bare-bones summary of the plot (think hardcover book dust jacket) the article would be primarily lists of things appearing in the Quest: characters, items, species, places, shops (with prices), events, etc.

And in reply to that Tropes page: valiant effort, but I fear that the job could consume whatever part of your life not already devoted to Heroica. This game is so chock-full of Tropes that it'd take years to complete.

The authors of the webcomics I read regularly troll me with TvTropes links; if I'm going to waste hours of my life there anyway, I might as well be constructing tab lists to compile onto the Heroica page.

Speaking of which, there are several characters I'm having trouble finding tropes for, so:

Random Question of the Random Time Period! What one or two tropes best represent your character? How about your (or others') NPCs?

(I'm primarily looking for tropes that give unfamiliar readers a quick concept of the character at a glance, so for example: [[GentlemanRogue Thothwick]] exhibited this trope in Quest 14, when he..." Or, as the current page shows, "Amazon Chaser: Dogged Nice Guy Tarn Valco was this to Action Girl Tensi Hightribe early on." Speaking of Tarn, I do need a better trope for him, that one won't work everywhere.)

[Brickdoctor]

Random Question of the Random Time Period! What one or two tropes best represent your character?

I don't think I really need to say that this best represents Docken.

[Scubacarrot]

Crusading Widower. Becoming the Mask.Are both tropes that apply to Guts, and are very definitive of his character. As for my NPC's... Patricia's a Knight in Sour Armour, Good is not Nice. It's hard to choose only two tropes. Edited May 15, 2013 by Scubacarrot

[Flipz]

Rules question: If someone with a Wood- AND Light-elemental weapon attacked an Undead Etherial enemy, would it deal damage or not?

[CMP]

Obvious enough.

This one too, I suppose.

[Scubacarrot]

Rules question: If someone with a Wood- AND Light-elemental weapon attacked an Undead Etherial enemy, would it deal damage or not?

Nope.

[LordoftheNoobs]

Eccentric Mentor, I reckon. Well, eventually.

[Vash the Stampede]

I don't think I've really fleshed out Dreyrugr's character much but several antihero themes seem to fit quite well. Especially the part that says "they will not hesitate to kill anyone who threatens them."

[Tachyon]

Mizuki is probably this or if not the first then this ?

Edited May 15, 2013 by Zakura

[Rumble Strike]

I was all "Yay!" Tarn got a prominent mention, and then the Trope, which sounded cool initially, basically wasn't

[Peppermint_M]

Poor Tarn. He never catches a break.

[Rumble Strike]

Indeed not, Action Girl