Peanuts Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Well, from yesterday's suspects, we've got Barbara, Petr and Nika left. At least we should keep an eye on all of them, but if somebody has some new names to bring to the table, please do! Of those three the one I think is most likely to be scum is Barbara. Also, we seem to have another suspect, who was brought up by Petr/Eugene: Timur. I'm not sure about him, though. I doubt the killer was a vigilante. It is possible, but to me the Tommy indicates he's scum. Maybe the vigilante was blocked or decided not to kill. Bad logic for a number of reasons. 1. You don't kill someone likely to get themselves killed by the town. 2. You don't kill someone likely to distract the town. He wouldn't shut up about his problems and that would have meant more discussion of it today, keeping the focus off the scum again. 3. The scum kill, it's part of why they're scum. Everyone knows it. Trying to disguise that by picking stupid targets is pointless and means you've wasted a chance to kill someone the town is less likely to. *shakes his head* 1. I myself wouldn't have voted for Eugene, as the point against him was simply his roleplay. 2. I don't think Eugene would continue his roleplay the same way he did yesterday, not after all the confusion he created. 3. They could also have killed him to make the people who accused him, Nika and Timur, seem suspicious. So Eugene wasn't that bad as a target.
Brickdoctor Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 I doubt the killer was a vigilante. It is possible, but to me the Tommy indicates he's scum. I'm not sure about that. Normally in these situations god doesn't give us clues in those images.
Peanuts Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 I'm not sure about that. Normally in these situations god doesn't give us clues in those images. There are gods who do and there are ones who don't, I think. I'm not sure, but I believe that this god does. No offence, "god".
Zepher Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Those are reasons for the scum not to kill, which makes me consider the other possibility... the killer was a vigilante. I am beginning to think that this is the case, which gives us something to work off of. I, Petr, believe that it is possible we blocked the scum killer. I woke up with a headache today, anyone else? Don't be shy now. The other possibility is that the scum took the night off to do other deeds, but this seems very early for them to do that. Someone also brought forward the idea of two mafia's yesterday... neither of them seems to have gotten a kill. We need a towniest of the town for people to report to, that always makes things so much easier. We can piece together the events of the night so much better that way. Alright, I fully understand why Eugene was suspicious of me, but I did not kill him. A few days ago Yesterday, he sent me a message asking me if I'm vanilla (which I am), claiming that it would 'bring forth' some important evidence. Since it was Day 1, I figured that it was in my best interests to play it safe and not tell him anything. If anyone wants to see the conversation, I'll post it here (if that's okay with God). I sadly have no idea why he was suspect of you. I gave you all the message he sent me. It does also occur to me that having a double vote is not necessarily a scum attribute, in fact possibly quite the opposite. It could be, Samuel, that you are just unfortunately voteless and didn't realise until you tried. And if we'd all tried to avoid voting for anyone yesterday, we wouldn't know this. I am not so sure of this. I feel that his vote was stolen. Let us see something. Perhaps WHO the vote is stolen from can change from day to day. Perhaps they targeted her for vote snatching. I agree that it is a possibility, Patrick, but I really hope that's not the case. If I really am voteless, I'm as good as cannon fodder to our Town. You are never useless, my friend, if you have a good brain in your head.
Inconspicuous Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Oh my, it looks like we were wrong about Benji. And poor Eugene! Out of the frying pan, into the fire. I'm inclined to believe that this was a scum kill, designed to frame Eugene's accusers from yesterday. But if that's true, it seems so obvious which makes me doubt that theory. It could just be a confused vigilante pursuing our suspicions from yesterday. Barbara, Nika, and Petr were scrutinized yesterday. I still don't like Barbara's opposition to the vote, but I guess I understand why; we were wrong! Nika hasn't done anything too suspicious apart from questioning Eugene. And Petr has stayed consistently vocal. More importantly, he isn't afraid to address our concern that because he was supposedly blocked and the killer was a vigilante, that would make him the scum killer. So I have no idea who to vote for. Did anyone learn anything?
Zepher Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 I did not have to alert anyone I was blocked, and I was the first person to suggest that the scum killer was blocked. Hopefully you don't think me, Petr, stupid enough to lead you to me like that. If I were the scum killer don't you think I may be a little more hush hush. I, Petr, am not that stupid.
Tamamono Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 1. Yeah, but killing them sooner makes it seem more like Timur or Nika did it, since both of them tried to vote him out yesterday. What? I never tried to vote out Eugene. 3. If you think about it for 2 seconds, wouldn't killing someone who has such obvious enemies make it seem like those enemies did it? The scum wouldn't waste a kill on a stupid target for no reason, but they WOULD if it meant the townies were going to vote out one of their own. How was I his 'obvious enemy'? All I said was that I didn't know what to make of this substance abuse. I am beginning to think that this is the case, which gives us something to work off of. I, Petr, believe that it is possible we blocked the scum killer. I woke up with a headache today, anyone else? Don't be shy now. I take it this is a discreet way of telling us that someone blocked you? I am not so sure of this. I feel that his vote was stolen. Let us see something. Perhaps WHO the vote is stolen from can change from day to day. Perhaps they targeted her for vote snatching. That's a good point, Petr. While it looks to me like the vote-hijacker is among those who voted for Benji, we don't know if the scum can trade their actions with one another. If they really did steal Samuel's vote, then I'm sure they'll want to steal it again to make it look like he's voteless.
CMP Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 How was I his 'obvious enemy'? All I said was that I didn't know what to make of this substance abuse. Oh, sorry. Might've been this and he didn't just read the end. Think he just took everyone with big posts as being against him, and that's why he mentioned you.
Tamamono Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Think he just took everyone with big posts as being against him, and that's why he mentioned you. Wilem had big posts and Eugene didn't think he was against him. You're not making a lot of sense today.
CMP Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Wilem had big posts and Eugene didn't think he was against him. You're not making a lot of sense today. Ugh, sorry. His last message was pointed out and I assumed you were one of the people who was 'after him'. I really have to review Day One more thoroughly. I'm just trying to find reasons why he would mention you, and that post is about all I've got so far. Oh, it says he talked with you in private. That might have something to do with it.
Bob Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Of those three the one I think is most likely to be scum is Barbara. Again I must ask why I am a suspect. I'm baffled as to how people still consider me to be scum. I didn't vote on Day One because I had a strong feeling that Benji was innocent. However by the time I arrived to make my point known it was too late and he had a majority vote. I'm somewhat surprised that Eugene was killed. Although it was a stupid move to talk about a drug addiction, it was even dumber for the Vigilante to kill Eugene. If he truly was scum, he wouldn't go right out and say it on his first words. Did anyone learn anything interesting last night, other than Petr's headache?
RileyC Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Poor Benji, while we were wrong I hope his death can bring some good today. And Eugene, such a good guy. It's terrible he was killed in the night. I don't think we can take one of Eugene's accusers, choose one at random and then just vote one of. We were all wrong about Benji and who's to say their suspicions were just misplaced differently than ours? I don't it's much of a basis for a vote. I wasn't able to obtain any information from the night. It's a dark place out there. I'm sure others did though, anyone want to share? It could give us more info for a stable conviction.
Quarryman Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 I'd be greatly surprised if someone came out openly with something they learned during the Night seeing as that would only serve to paint a big fat target on their back for the scum to hit the coming Night. And I'm sorry for being late with participating in today's circlejerk, but I was busy with paperwork at the police station.
JimBee Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 That's too bad about Benji and Eugene, now we're two steps back from where we started. I do agree with the notion that Eugene was killed by a vigilante, why would a scum killer go after (all due respect) someone like Eugene? And since Petr is the only one we know that has been blocked, he's kind of setting off alarms for me at the moment. Other than that, has anyone learned anything from the night? Come on, don't be shy now.
Waterbrick Down Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Drat, my apologies Mrs. Irene I'm sorry to have caused you such grief. I knew my suspicions were not air tight, but I felt they were better than against the other suspects. Thank goodness there was only one kill last night as I too was thinking there would be more in a group our size. So here is what we know: 1. Samuel was hindered in his ability to vote yesterday, there were 16 votes place but only 15 names given, so my suspicion is we have a double voter and Samuel was voteless. Whether this situation rose from a day action, was the effect of some passive ability, or was some strange act of god remains to be seen. 2. Something happened with Petr, assuming he is speaking the truth, which since his disclosure of the statement places him under suspicion, I believe he is. Did anyone else encounter the same experience? 3. The point that there was only one kill made gives us a few possibilities, either a scum was blocked, a player was protected, or there is only a very large group of mafia with one kill between them all, or the mafia were doing some other dastardly deed and a vigilante has taken justice into his own hands. If I have missed something let me know or add to our pool of knowledge, I'm going to do some more thinking and be back later this evening.
Hinckley Posted August 14, 2011 Author Posted August 14, 2011 If anyone wants to see the conversation, I'll post it here (if that's okay with God). Mod note: I prefer the conversation be paraphrased. That goes for all conversations between members that occur in private.
Waterbrick Down Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Sorry there was one other point I forgot to take note of, namely Eugene's death. I am sorry we lost him as he seemed a good man, a somewhat stubborn man but a good one. As has already been stated his death does not make sense, it obviously stinks of a setup against Nike and Tamer, but they may be using reverse psychology to keep suspicion off of them. But then there is a possibility of a vigilante, but even the I think it was pretty much cleared up among all of us that Eskallon and Nike were just two stubborn argumentative townies whom I was getting ready to write breach of the peace tickets to.
Brickdoctor Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 3. The point that there was only one kill made gives us a few possibilities, either a scum was blocked, a player was protected, or there is only a very large group of mafia with one kill between them all, or the mafia were doing some other dastardly deed and a vigilante has taken justice into his own hands. I doubt the scum have only one kill among them all. It's possible, but if they could only take out one of us per Night, I think this situation would drag on longer than we, the scum, or god wants. I'd think at the very least, a killer was blocked or a target protected, and/or a conversion took place.
badboytje88 Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 I doubt the scum have only one kill among them all. It's possible, but if they could only take out one of us per Night, I think this situation would drag on longer than we, the scum, or god wants. I'd think at the very least, a killer was blocked or a target protected, and/or a conversion took place. That sounds very plausible.
The Crazy One Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 Maybe there wasn't some motive to the killing of Eugene like everyone seems to think. Maybe the scum or the vigilante just made a bad decision, or what would seem to be a bad decision in our eyes.
Brickdoctor Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 Maybe there wasn't some motive to the killing of Eugene like everyone seems to think. Maybe the scum or the vigilante just made a bad decision, or what would seem to be a bad decision in our eyes. More likely it was a decision with a bad motive. (bad meaning incorrectly informed, not evil) If the killer made the decision without a motive, it's neither a good decision nor a bad decision, just a MegaBlok-y decision. Because that's what deciding to kill without a reason is.
Shadows Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 We seem to be going in circles now. Things we know Eugene was killed either by a vigilante or the scum. Let's just leave out any possibility of a serial killer, it doesn't look like that at all. If it was a vigilante, I'd ask that they be more careful in the future. If it was the scum, I'd ask that they make it a murder suicide and go first next time. Samuel can't vote, but god didn't tell him this in advance. That seems to make me suspect that it's an outside influence that chooses who to block, as opposed to a flaw in Samuel that causes it. That's really it, isn't it? I see why we're going in circles and I'm sorry I don't have any meaningful contribution to make today, I just don't see any glaring clues to work from aside from those two situations, and they're pretty confusing as it is.
CorneliusMurdock Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 If Samuel's vote was hijacked rather than him just being voteless, it would have had to occur during the day. I think it's more likely that if someone were to have the ability to steal votes that it would be decided at night. And since there was no night preceding the missing vote, it makes more sense for it to be a nasty surprise for Samuel. I could be wrong. Can anyone think of a way we can determine if there is a double-voter to counteract a non-voter or who the double voter could be? And Timur, I don't see how Eugene clumsily fishing for information and you not giving him any should make you look suspicious. I know I wouldn't have told him anything either. Even if I hadn't been arguing with him, there's no reason to give another person that sort of info unless you trust them very much. And being the first day, no one can have that kind of trust. Or maybe he had another reason to suspect you. Not that I trust his judgment considering his other choice in suspects.
Brickdoctor Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 If Samuel's vote was hijacked rather than him just being voteless, it would have had to occur during the day. I think it's more likely that if someone were to have the ability to steal votes that it would be decided at night. And since there was no night preceding the missing vote, it makes more sense for it to be a nasty surprise for Samuel. I could be wrong. Can anyone think of a way we can determine if there is a double-voter to counteract a non-voter or who the double voter could be? Another possibility is that Samuel was a scum who had no vote (not accusing, just listing all possibilities here), and he's pretending to be surprised so he'll look like a target of an action and thus look more trustworthy. Not sure if that's even possible in these situations.
RileyC Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 Not sure if that's even possible in these situations. Yeah Im not too sure if that's possible either really. I think the most plausible is some "day" action was used. But Im not sure why though... Hmm Im really stuck here, we just seem to be going around in circles with the info we have. Its really nothing to base a conviction off of. I think Stanislav really summed it up quite well for me to be honest.
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