iamded Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I admit I haven't been exactly thorough in taking in all of today's information, but I did hear the gist of it. The style of killings has had me thinking. Perhaps the scum have a variety of methods to kill people, yet can only utilise one per night? Let's say each night they can choose between converting a townie, killing someone, or poisoning someone, yet can only convert one every x days, or x amount of times to balance things out. Something to consider, eh? (Unless it's been mentioned already, in which case I'll just go back to my painting...) As for the accusations against Zeph- er... Petr, I can verify he contacted me, and a couple of the other folks whom he contacted came to me asking what it was all about and what I thought of it. I think he seemed pretty townie-ey to me, but the points raised against him seem valid too. Hmm... tricky...
Peanuts Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Well, I think this confirms that Eugene was killed by a vigilante, who I would ask to use a bit more restraint in the future. How does it confirm that? I'm afraid I can't follow you. I also was one of the ones contacted by him and I also was a bit suspicious of him. And since we don't got much today, I'll also vote: Petr (Zepher). Sorry if you turn out to be town, also, I'd be glad if anything else came up.
def Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I don't know about all of this. Yan's story is most likely true, since it's been corroborated by others already. But at the same time, Petr's story today is also most likely true, since it will be easily verifiable in forthcoming days. Of course, they can both be true without conflicting, but people need to vote. I've just drank a few shots of cough syrup vodka, so I'm going to take a nap now. I'll be up before the end of the day, so, if need be, I'll place my vote then. Since ten of us didn't vote yesterday, obviously not every vote is crucial.
CorneliusMurdock Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 If Petr doesn't defend himself soon, he won't get the chance. At least we can narrow down who the double voter could be since in the tally above everyone only got 1 vote. That's something, at least.
WhiteFang Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Looks like Petr's accusation is going strong. I will like to hear his defense before deciding on my vote too.
Sandy Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Okay, so my vote did not count, but apparently Petr's proxy on my vote did. That's odd... But I have a bad feeling (not in my gut, but in my brain, mind you) that we're making a mistake in voting Petr. I don't blame Yan for starting the vote on him, he certainly has valid reasons, but taking into account Petr's behaviour in these two days and the fact that I can't believe the other members of the Mafia would allow him to pull such a risk-laden stunt, I actually believe Petr is either working on his own, or is a townie. Sure, a Townie with such a haphazard and risky behaviour is less desirable than a level-headed Townie, and at this point we have no other names to point our finger to, but I just don't feel like the Town is doing the right thing here. The votes are coming in too soon, too, since we haven't even heard Petr's reply to this accusation. It just seems to me that the scum are pushing the vote, since Petr is such an easy target, and losing him wouldn't seemingly be such a big loss in the minds of many. I wish there was someone else for people to vote for, but since there isn't, it looks like Petr will be voted out. But if he turns out to be innocent tomorrow, we must really turn this game of life around and see just who is pushing these votes against Townies through. At least we can narrow down who the double voter could be since in the tally above everyone only got 1 vote. That's something, at least. Not really. A double-voter uses their second vote privately, so it might well be that Big Voice only adds it to the final tally.
The Crazy One Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I'll also vote: Petr (Zepher). There's too much support agaisnt you know, so I guess it's inevitable.
Hinckley Posted August 16, 2011 Author Posted August 16, 2011 Mod note: Please make sure you are voting in the correct format. Yes, it does need to be bold and yes, I need to see the parenthesis, please. It helps me see them when I'm skimming through the thread to get the vote tally. I am reading the thread throughout the day but can't keep track of the votes at work, so I need to go back over when I get home and I am likely to miss votes that aren't correctly formatted. It may even help to separate it from the paragraph, as such: vote: character (player) I know this may seem a little anal retentive, but it really does help me out. Thanks.
Zepher Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Hold the phone everyone. I said I would be "sick" (away) for the rest of the day and it was bad timing for me, but thank god I checked in. Time to explain. What Yan pointed out was exactly my plan. I am a vanilla townie, it's true, so my best weapon is trying to figure things out myself. I grow tired waiting for others to contact me, the only way to win this situation is to actually start to gather information yourself. So I did randomly choose 8 people. Yan did catch my ploy. I set it up so I would not get killed, that's true. It gave me two things: 1, if I was killed, which I was rather hoping for, it would show all the other people that I had contacted that they were all likely to be town, because killing me would have, in fact as Yan pointed out, stupid for the scum if they knew of my plan. So if I was killed, it would be likely that none of them were scum. I sent that message out to the people I trusted most, Eugene and Boris. Boris can luckily still confirm that for me. I also was not stupid enough to assume there was not a vigilante, so I factored that in, again something Boris can confirm. Assuming that I wasn't killed, I had 8 contacts. I think with this number of people, someone, well, everyone should have started to gather information. I gathered through private messaging that Eugene was town, and that is why I was not for a vote for him, and also why I was able to trust him with the message I sent out about the 8. Honestly, if I'm voted for, which seems oh so likely at this case, you'll just lose a vanilla townie. I'm expecting death, so here are my thoughts. Yan - Don't trust him. Before the vote, didn't ntrust him either. Donil can confirm this. Patrick - Again, just gut. Both of them acted funky in private conversations, saying that they didn't trust me but still communicating with me. Stanislav - Seems to be trying to subtly push for votes. He's hanging back and not running things, but trying to have slight influences. Clear scum tactics. Yuri - Randomly contacted me and said he suspected Roncantor since some unnamed source told him he had a "nasty" night action. It's too late for me most likely. Oh well, best of luck. Please, when I die, remember that those above suspects are not law, just what I think. I'd also ask you to not vote for me, but at this point I'm doubtful people will come back and unvote me. Hahaha. Just looked at the votes, and everyone who I listed already voted for me, two of them together. Total chance, I promise you, Donil can confirm I sent him those people before the vote began.
Brickdoctor Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I sent that message out to the people I trusted most, Eugene and Boris. Boris can luckily still confirm that for me. I also was not stupid enough to assume there was not a vigilante, so I factored that in, again something Boris can confirm. I can confirm that I did receive this message.
CorneliusMurdock Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Yan did catch my ploy. I set it up so I would not get killed, that's true. It gave me two things: 1, if I was killed, which I was rather hoping for, it would show all the other people that I had contacted that they were all likely to be town, because killing me would have, in fact as Yan pointed out, stupid for the scum if they knew of my plan. Even with you explaining it I still don't see the logic of the bolded statement. I assume the second thing that it was supposed to give you was the information gathering. I don't see why anyone would trust you enough to give you any information. I certainly wouldn't have. If you are a townie, it was a convoluted plan doomed to fail. I don't blame Yan one bit for bringing the whole mess to our attention. I'll have to think about it a bit though. Not sure if you are just a deranged townie or just sad scum. I'd also like to hear what Yuri has to say about the Ruxana thing. There has to be some truth to it or you wouldn't have brought it up. At the very least he's been in contact with you and said something about her.
JimBee Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Yan did catch my ploy. I set it up so I would not get killed, that's true. It gave me two things: 1, if I was killed, which I was rather hoping for, it would show all the other people that I had contacted that they were all likely to be town, because killing me would have, in fact as Yan pointed out, stupid for the scum if they knew of my plan. So if I was killed, it would be likely that none of them were scum. Now you're contradicting yourself. In your private chats with us, you said that you hoped one or more of us was scum so that if you were killed, we'd be suspicious of each other. Now you're saying the opposite, and hoping that we would all trust each other. Which one is it, Petr? Yan - Don't trust him. Before the vote, didn't ntrust him either. Donil can confirm this. Why not? I haven't done anything before this vote started except point out the flaws of your plan in private. You didn't bother to reply to that, either. And if you didn't trust me, why did you contact me in the first place? You just said yourself that you hoped all of the people you contacted would be town. Like I said, I sincerely hope you're not town. That's not saying much, but I'm taking a chance with this either way. If you're town, I'll likely be the suspect tomorrow, but if you're scum, I imagine your allies would want to take revenge tonight.
Fugazi Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Time to explain. Well I guess this pretty much looks like the work of a townie to me, even though I don't think your plan would have worked. Anyway -- Yuri - Randomly contacted me and said he suspected Roncantor since some unnamed source told him he had a "nasty" night action. A nasty night action? I guess Yuri should explain this to us in detail.
Sandy Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 This makes no sense to me. Do you guys still suspect Petr is Mafia after all that?! He maybe naive and illogical, but those are luxuries that a true scumbag cannot afford. Why on Earth would the scum make such a bold move on Day 1 of this game of life, just to gain some information which I'm sure they can gain in a more subtle way. Mobsters lie, sneak, and weasel their way through these type of situations, they just don't act the way Petr is acting, because they would gain nothing from it. I am now almost confirmed that this is the Mafia's attempt to use Petr's naivety as a way to push another Townie into conviction. Isn't it time we stop voting out the loudmouths and turning our eyes on the people hiding in the shadows? I really wish I'd have another option for you to vote for. The people on Petr's list are all playing this game of life privately on the background, that much I can tell. That doesn't make them automatically scum, but at least people to watch for. After the shock of my beloved Sarah's death, I'm really waiting for something positive to happen for a change. So how about a little miracle to this moment, before the Town votes out yet another Townie?
Peanuts Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I suppose I was wrong with my vote, so I'll waste my only unvote now: unvote: Petr (Zepher) Seems like I've been a bit hasty, and I apologize. I may be rather clueless today, but Petr seems like town to me and convicting townies won't help us. I'll give it a bit more thinking, before I'll finally vote. We're unfortunately running out of time, so I don't think I'll have much of it to reconsider my vote. But it won't go for Petr, I'd hate to have another one Benji-case.
Tamamono Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Interesting accusation, Yan. Judging by the way he's acting, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ends up being a Jester who has to be lynched during the first 3-4 days in order to win. The whole 'network' situation is what worries me most about him. While I suppose I could see a townie doing this, it would be almost suicide for a scum. I suppose there's the possibility that he's scum and he included one or two scums in the group to help clear them, but it's still a pretty risky move for a scum. It just doesn't make sense to me, so I will not be voting for Petr.
Sandy Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I know she'll hate me for this, but may I suggest you vote for Barbara instead of Petr? At least in her case, its not very obvious she is innocent.
Peanuts Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I know she'll hate me for this, but may I suggest you vote for Barbara instead of Petr? At least in her case, its not very obvious she is innocent. Well, that's at least what I thought to do, following what I did yesterday. Situation is hardly changed, so I see no reason not to do so.
JimBee Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I am now almost confirmed that this is the Mafia's attempt to use Petr's naivety as a way to push another Townie into conviction. Isn't it time we stop voting out the loudmouths and turning our eyes on the people hiding in the shadows? Was Benji a loudmouth? No. He was voted off for being quiet and not expressing his opinions. That worked out so well yesterday, so we might as well repeat that with Barbara, right? I really wish I'd have another option for you to vote for. The people on Petr's list are all playing this game of life privately on the background, that much I can tell. That doesn't make them automatically scum, but at least people to watch for. Am I? I'm being as open and forthcoming as I can about this. I gave you all of the information, all of the facts... and still I'm being called a liar and a snake. I don't appreciate that. And I'm not "pushing for a townie lynch", as you keep saying. If I was scum I certainly would not risk my life just to take down a "vanilla townie", as Petr claims to be. This is only way we'll get answers, and I'm going with it.
Pandora Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I've heard what you have to say, Petr, and I still think your "plan" was bizarre at best. Some have even said it was stupid, but no-one's been able to make any sense of it, not even you. What worries me is the rate at which the votes have gathered, especially from people who've previously had little-to-nothing to add to the conversation. Petr I think you have done us all a complete disservice by muddying the waters, but after some more thought I will: Unvote: Petr (Zepher) I see you've mentioned my name as someone who was "funky" in conversation. It's true that I'm a funky guy - I have disco hair, however given I replied to your half-baked plan and series of messages but once I'm wondering how you reach this conclusion. I seem to remember replying that I wondered at the sense of your plan, that I doubted the scum would "alert" you as you so politely suggest they do in your message, and that I doubted we would have any information on day one and to beware of anyone who claimed they did. Petr, you're a raving nutjob, I'm not convinced you're helping us at all, but I'm also not convinced enough that you're actually scum to leave my vote for you in place. As to whether I'll place my vote elsewhere - having used up my unvote I will be thinking carefully about this.
Peanuts Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Was Benji a loudmouth? No. He was voted off for being quiet and not expressing his opinions. That worked out so well yesterday, so we might as well repeat that with Barbara, right? No offence, but that makes no sence. We've convicted Benji, who was accused to have posted normally while expressing nothing. Now I'm inclined to vote Barbara, who said few while expressing nothing. But even if they acted the same, following your logic, we have killed somebody who hasn't expressed his opinions. Now that he turned out town, we know, that people who don't express their opinions are town? And if we kill Petr, who is quite loud, and he turns out to be town, we know that everyone who's loud can't be scum either? Sorry, but I think you're wrong about that point.
Sandy Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Was Benji a loudmouth? No. He was voted off for being quiet and not expressing his opinions. That worked out so well yesterday, so we might as well repeat that with Barbara, right? I guess I was talking about the books I've read that had similar situations like this. I don't remember the Mafia ever being vocal from Day One, only after the accusations start to hit home... Am I? I'm being as open and forthcoming as I can about this. I gave you all of the information, all of the facts... and still I'm being called a liar and a snake. I don't appreciate that. And I'm not "pushing for a townie lynch", as you keep saying. If I was scum I certainly would not risk my life just to take down a "vanilla townie", as Petr claims to be. This is only way we'll get answers, and I'm going with it. Well, I already said earlier that I'm not blaming you for starting the vote, it was an honest thing to do, but it did catch fire very quickly, don't you agree? Isn't that usually a sign that there are people pushing for the lynch?
Quarryman Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I know she'll hate me for this, but may I suggest you vote for Barbara instead of Petr? At least in her case, its not very obvious she is innocent. Well, I could agree with voting for Barbara, but it's getting late, and I need to take a nap soon, and splitting the vote between Barbara and Petr will not do us any good either. So for now my stands. If the situation changes during my nap I'll reconsider it, pretty sure I'll be awake again before the Day is over.
Peanuts Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Well, I've thought about it, and I doubt we'll reach a conclusion today. The votes seem to be far to divided for that. And, because I'll be away now, as I have a real live as well, and because I'll most propably not be back before the day ends, I'll now vote: Barbara (Bob The Construction Man). She seems to be the best choice to me.
CMP Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 Barbara's been acting fairly the same as Benji, and we all know how that turned out. My vote for Petr will stand for now.
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