Sandy Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 I don't think it means anything. At first I was looking for clues in the plays, but they seem to be just for fun. But with this Big Voice in question, they're not just for fun. Back when my daughters Darlene and Florence were opposing the Baritones, the pictures gave plenty of clues (which the Town was often more than happy to ignore). I can agree with starting with Denis, though.
Tamamono Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 But with this Big Voice in question, they're not just for fun. Back when my daughters Darlene and Florence were opposing the Baritones, the pictures gave plenty of clues (which the Town was often more than happy to ignore). I know. I remember hearing about a mafia family who had a problem with rats, and when five (or was it six?) of them got arrested, the rats were the ones wearing blue overalls. However, I think something along the lines of what Barbara noticed would be more likely.
Pandora Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Nika blew herself up? What the hell? She was a brave firefighter and I was honoured to serve with her, but this is yet another way that someone has been killed and we still seem to be chasing our tails. There is some relief in the fact that there were no other kills last night and that the poisoner did not strike, but it does mean that we need to seriously consider the possible reasons for this. Was there a conversion (or two?) or a successful block or protection? There was some mention of a possible ninja a few days ago, has someone attempted to target them and failed due to their ninjareyness? Did people just decide to take the night off, or did the scum forget to report their dastardly deeds to God? Added to that is that yet again we managed to convict another of our own in Ruxana, and we seem to be doing a good job of making ourselves extinct and giving the scum an easy ride. Again I worry that people seem happy to have made up their minds when it seems to me that there must be more information forthcoming about the events of last night but it also strikes me that given our poor track record either those who wish to help us have been speaking to the wrong people, or that the scum have somehow managed to feed misinformation to our empowered townies. I'm cautious about reading anything much into the visual memories we have, poor Barbara was mocked by God for her suggestions and we know our God is fickle. When he has overseen similar desperate situations as these in the past he has both laughed at his followers for not picking up on clues he left in our visual memories and threatened divine retribution upon those who have attempted to do so. Each day we seem to heading further down a dark alley, away from the truth and further towards our doom and we must be missing something here to have not realised why yet.
iamded Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Enough of this dilly-dallying. Vote: Dmitri (Dragonator) I really, really don't trust him. As soon as I read his 'confession' I knew something fishy was up. He 'confessed' his supposed role far too early, if he really was the town investigator it would surely have been wiser to wait for more pressure to be placed upon him. Instead it seemed he cracked when the slightest amount of pressure was placed upon him. (Giving in on page 2? Come on dude...) Perhaps him and his scummy compadres planned his defence early in the case that people turned against him? Perhaps they knew they had taken out the town Investigator so there would be no one to conflict his 'revelation'? What added to my suspicion was his supposed targets. Two out-going town players, who he confirms for us as town. Yan and Samuel. Now I do believe Samuel is town, which Dmitri could have cleverly planned. Say two town players are town, so when he's lynched and confirmed scum we'll doubt their loyalty and lynch them, thinking Dmitri was covering for them when indeed they were town all along. Sound farfetched? It's happened before. I'm not crazy! And then there's him saying that Stanislav is townie, when of course he's already been confirmed town, so he gives us reason to trust him as his results are so correct! Faking an investigator and giving factual results due to the knowledge of who is and isn't scum given to him be being scum himself, to make us trust him. Then when we least expect it, bam! He turns on us and the scum win. Well not this time! No sir! Oh yes, and all the people who insist that he's scum. That Stanislav was so certain of it. I'm on to you Dmitri!
def Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I'm ready to vote out Denis, but I want to hear his defense first. Denis, why shouldn't we vote you out? Well, my defense is the same as any other vanilla townie, I'm innocent. But, so far the town hasn't been reasonable, has it? The only good lynch we had was thanks to Ruxana, and see where that got her? I find it incredibly frustrating that Stan's accusation holds any water with people. His other accusation, Petr, was 100% wrong. He didn't say why, and nobody can back up his accusation, just Wilem is willing to verify he said it. And as for Samuel... It's pretty unbelievable, really. So far, he hasn't got a single thing right, starting on day one when he accused me a few times of voting for Petr to save Barbara Later, he blamed me for trying to get Stan lynched, when this is what happened: I said to him So there's this thing going on between Roncanator and WBD. One is probably scum, but actually, they could both be innocent and telling the truth, since all Ron claims is that WBD targeted Badboy. So Shadows says, let's vote off WBD, then, if he's innocent, we can vote off Roncanator.http://www.eurobrick...dpost&p=1053293 It's too convenient, and makes me think he knows WBD didn't do it, and by getting WBD convicted, he could then get Roncanator convicted later on, taking out two town specials. Maybe I'm just being paranoid. So he says to me: No, you're not. I've talked to Shadows privately, and he definitely has his "scummy mode" on, trying to pry information from me and then not contacting me again until he needs more. He says he wants to work together to solve this thing, but so far he's been very unhelpful.<snip> But for today, we should focus on getting rid of Roncanator. Then Sam jumps out and votes for Stan in public, but blames me for starting the vote, when I voted forth Already, I'm pretty sick of this, my suspicion's that Sam is secretly smoking crack. Since she told me, for no reason, about Stan's role, she thinks I killed him, even though, she, Dimitri, and Wilem seemed to know, and whoever else. But she thinks the scummy thing to do is kill someone the night you learn their action, even though it's a stupid, incriminating move. The icing on the cake for me is when I tried to work with her to clear myself, either by being watched or investigated, I get this reaction: That is why my suspicions turn more towards Denis, who tried to sway the votes against Shadows last night. He had the nerve to ask me that Ruxana could follow him during the next night to confirm his innocence - as if Ruxana wasn't the last person I'd trust to tell the truth! It was pretty suspicious the way I suggested using the tracker who delivered scum to us to track me if there was doubt Samuel was way to hellbent on lynching Ruxana though. At the same time, I think Samuel is town, unless he was recruited last night. That kind of blind, obnoxious arrogance is hard to fake, in my opinion. As for Samuel's attitude today, well, it's not a whole lot better: I'm trying to figure out if the "Peeping Tom" is leading us on or not, so give me some credit here. I'll surely let everyone know if I get information that would help us in some way, but so far I haven't been that lucky today. All I have to go on is Stanislav's statement, which is of course not good enough for you or Dmitri. The information of the peeping tom is unhelpful today. Well, tell us what it is, and let us judge. Maybe it will help us. As for giving you credit... You haven't done a single thing to earn any credit. Seriously. So, Timur, I guess I can't defend myself any more than anyone else in this town, but I will say the reasons I'm under suspicion are based on Stan thinking my vote for him was scummy. Which was no scummier than Petr and Samuels vote, plus the number of others who voiced suspicion of Stan that day. Which is to say, Denis is going to get into his irritable mode if he keeps spelling it out. Denis is getting upset! And I don't know where to place my vote, but I will before the deadline is up. <That's my daily Internet cafe hour used up, so I can't give any more witty retorts until tomorrow.>
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Enough of this dilly-dallying. Vote: Dmitri (Dragonator) I really, really don't trust him. As soon as I read his 'confession' I knew something fishy was up. He 'confessed' his supposed role far too early, if he really was the town investigator it would surely have been wiser to wait for more pressure to be placed upon him. Instead it seemed he cracked when the slightest amount of pressure was placed upon him. (Giving in on page 2? Come on dude...) Perhaps him and his scummy compadres planned his defence early in the case that people turned against him? Perhaps they knew they had taken out the town Investigator so there would be no one to conflict his 'revelation'? I agree; no Cop would give themselves away so easily. However, as I said earlier, I'm not ready to go killing off someone who could very well be our investigator. Against my better judgement, I'd like to hear who Dmitri investigated last night. What added to my suspicion was his supposed targets. Two out-going town players, who he confirms for us as town. Yan and Samuel. Now I do believe Samuel is town, which Dmitri could have cleverly planned. Say two town players are town, so when he's lynched and confirmed scum we'll doubt their loyalty and lynch them, thinking Dmitri was covering for them when indeed they were town all along. Sound farfetched? It's happened before. I'm not crazy! You know, I remember a book called The Forest in which a red cow claimed to be an 'arsonist cop' to look for the furry creature who was burning down the village, but she made the mistake of claiming that she investigated those most pro-town, and was (rightfully) convicted for it. Dmitri's choice of targets seems rather like this type of scenario. He investigated Stanislav on Night 3 to test his results, when there were plenty of people (Ruxana in particular) who deserved to be investigated. Testing your results is not a bad idea, but it's best to do it on a slow Day/Night. I find it incredibly frustrating that Stan's accusation holds any water with people. His other accusation, Petr, was 100% wrong. He didn't say why, and nobody can back up his accusation, just Wilem is willing to verify he said it. That's very true. Just because someone is dead, that doesn't mean that they're automatically right. And as for Samuel... It's pretty unbelievable, really. So far, he hasn't got a single thing right, starting on day one when he accused me a few times of voting for Petr to save Barbara Well, I remember a soap opera I saw about a family of freakishly tall and articulated fleshies (I'm sure you remember that one too! ), in which a perfectly innocent character was wrong about everything- absolutely everything-, but he was still innocent. Already, I'm pretty sick of this, my suspicion's that Sam is secretly smoking crack. Since she told me, for no reason, about Stan's role, she thinks I killed him, even though, she, Dimitri, and Wilem seemed to know, and whoever else. But she thinks the scummy thing to do is kill someone the night you learn their action, even though it's a stupid, incriminating move. The icing on the cake for me is when I tried to work with her to clear myself, either by being watched or investigated, I get this reaction: That's true. It could be that Samuel decided to tell several people about his role so that he could push suspicion off on them when Stanislav died, or it could even be that both you and Dmitri are town, and Wilem is scum. So, Timur, I guess I can't defend myself any more than anyone else in this town, but I will say the reasons I'm under suspicion are based on Stan thinking my vote for him was scummy. Which was no scummier than Petr and Samuels vote, plus the number of others who voiced suspicion of Stan that day. Which is to say, Denis is going to get into his irritable mode if he keeps spelling it out. Denis is getting upset! I understand; there really isn't any defense a vanilla can make for him/herself. I too am vanilla, so I wouldn't know what to say if someone decided that I was the best choice for a conviction. And really, you do make a pretty good case for yourself (even if most of it consisted of you explaining to us all that Samuel is wrong) in spite of that. However, it seem obvious that it's between you and Dmitri today, and I really don't want to lose the Town Cop, so I don't know what to do. I think it's important that we get a scum conviction today, so not voting isn't really the best idea in my opinion. Maybe now would be a good time to analyze voting records and behavioral patterns from the past few days.
Sandy Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 As for giving you credit... You haven't done a single thing to earn any credit. Seriously. I know I haven't been able to be of much help, and that's why I was going to back down this morning, but then people started approaching me with "you're converted?!" messages, so I thought backing down isn't really what the Town needs. I know I can be aggressive at times, and my suspicions can switch to the opposite in an instant, but I'm really trying to see the big picture here. I'm sorry that you feel the need to attack me like that, Denis, but I understand it's frustrating when all fingers start turning on you. At this point, though, I feel like Dmitri is the bigger liar of you two. I will place my vote once I see which one of you is getting more votes.
Dragonator Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I'm not sure why not, or what to do about him, but this would make me feel more comfortable with voting Dmitri. I must ask how exactly having the message come from a confirmed townie changes anything. It doesn't change the fact that Stanislav's gut instinct is wrong. It doesn't change the fact that I am a townie. It makes no sense to me that you are willing to vote for me on someone else's word, just because they are dead. If Stanislav was still alive and came out and said "he's scum, convict him" with no evidence, would you do it? I sure wouldn't, even if I knew 100% that Stanislav was a townie. That sort of logic, or lack of logic I should say, doesn't make any sense. I know Stanislav quite well; if he was certain of someone and had the evidence to prove it, he would have included that in his message. But, as samuel has attested, he didn't. He just had a feeling. This might be farfetched, but knowing the Big Voice, don't you think it's... let's say coincidental that out of all the people Dmitri played the Nazi boy in last night's play? I know it's not much of an evidence, but I can't shake the feeling the Big Voice is trying to tell us something... I would think that is more to do with the fact I look like a Nazi, actually. And made a comment to the big voice about looking like a Nazi before this whole game of life even began. Are you honestly that desperate for a reason to convict me, Samuel? Sound farfetched? Very much so actually. Your entire stream of logic is full of "what if?". There isn't any fact, there isn't anything to base your accusation on, it's just a long twisted line of "suppose this was the case" and such. A very flimsy argument to place a vote on, certainly. Faking an investigator and giving factual results due to the knowledge of who is and isn't scum given to him be being scum himself, to make us trust him. I'm sure you would try the same argument no matter who I investigated. It's easy enough to say that I made them up, that is after all the usual method scum generally use to discredit the town investigator and put the town off track, especially when they are getting close to winning. If I had investigated someone less in the spotlight, you would say that I am clearly trying to protect my fellow scummies. If I had investigated someone who is more trusted, you would say I picked them as safe bets. That sort of "logic" holds no real weight I'm sorry to say Irene, it can be applied to any situation. A pretty stock standard way for the scum to discredit someone really. I find it extremely interesting that you are using it now. Ever since this supposed message came out you've been keen to find any excuse you possibly can to try and get me convicted Irene, and I don't trust it one bit. A real townie would at least be a little fearful of convicting the real investigator because they simply don't know, but not you. No, you're full of certainty, and you'll more than happily blame it on Stanislav's final message when I am confirmed as a townie after my death. Sort of typical really, I was half expecting someone to try it, but I wasn't expecting you to be the person to try pulling that stunt. Against my better judgement, I'd like to hear who Dmitri investigated last night. Certainly; last night I investigated Patrick, who is the only person other than Stanislav and Samuel that I have spoken to privately. There were a few things that didn't really ring right in what he was saying to me, so I decided to check. However, my suspicions were unfounded as I got a townie result. He investigated Stanislav on Night 3 to test his results, when there were plenty of people (Ruxana in particular) who deserved to be investigated. Testing your results is not a bad idea, but it's best to do it on a slow Day/Night. As noted, I had a long discussion with Stanislav abd was happy to investigate Ruxana, in fact that was my intended target for that night, but he wanted to be certain of my previous results as he still wasn't all that convinced by Samuel, and so I agreed to confirm my sanity by investigating him. Which is why it confuses me so much that Samuel got this mysterious PM from him that night. A short, single sentence accusation with no explanation. If I hadn't got the results I did, I would suspect Samuel was making it all up, or that there might be a framer of some sort involved. However, it seem obvious that it's between you and Dmitri today, and I really don't want to lose the Town Cop, so I don't know what to do. May I ask why you think it seems obvious? We're going off a single man's word here, a man who's only other "gut instinct" accusation turned out to be completely wrong. To be honest, I find it very strange that people like Samuel and Irene are willing to put so much trust in these words. Almost like the whole thing was planned to try and get me killed, and then it can all be blamed on Stanislav when I turn out innocent and my accusers can walk free. With our numbers dwindling, it seems exactly like the sort of ploy the scum would make to successfully take out a power role, laugh it off tomorrow, and then nail another townie in the vote the next day to finish us off. We cannot afford to make that mistake, especially after we were all so certain of Ruxana based on other evidence provided to Samuel from some nameless peeping tom. I don't know about you all, but as a target myself, this whole situation is extremely off. The scum are likely grinning at their good luck.
Sandy Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Certainly; last night I investigated Patrick, who is the only person other than Stanislav and Samuel that I have spoken to privately. There were a few things that didn't really ring right in what he was saying to me, so I decided to check. However, my suspicions were unfounded as I got a townie result. That's odd... Patrick told me he hadn't been in contact with you. I know the two of you are working together, since you told me so earlier, but why does Patrick deny it? If all your results have come up as "Townie", how can you be so sure you're not a naive investigator? You haven't even brought up this option. Sorry, but this just reeks of scum...
JimBee Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Dmitri, if you are truly the investigator, have you considered the possibility that you're naive? It seems that by now you would've found scum if you were sane.
Sandy Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I think another person we should keep an eye on is Wilem. He is awfully quiet in this game, and on Day 3 he switched votes from Ruxana to Donil when the votes seemed to go that way, while on Day 4 he was more than happy to vote for Ruxana. I know I'm really not the one to talk since I voted for Ruxana on both of those days, but Wilem seemed to know more about the situation as he switched his vote. On the other hand, he has privately pushed me to vote for Dmitri, so I can't imagine the two of them are both scum.
iamded Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Hey Dmitri, what if you're a naive investigator? That seems like it could entirely be a possibility if you weren't scum.
WhiteFang Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 This is bloody sadness.... 1 innocent conviction and 1 innocent death... I am not not going to sit back and be kind to my vote. I vote for what I believe and I will stick with it and I am not going to listen to anymore soothsayers in private. Vote: Dmitri (Dragonator)
Fugazi Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Seeing that we're not making any progress, one question springs to mind. With Denis and Dmitri under suspicion yesterday, didn't anyone think of spying on them in any possible way? Didn't anyone attempt to clear them or find evidence to justifiably lynch either one of them? I think I understand why Dmitri didn't investigate Denis -- if he had found Denis to be townie, we would have thought he's trying to protect him, if he had found scum we would have thought he's trying to deflect the conviction on someone else. But what of the peeping Tom, or the other townies with actions? I can't believe that we're still arguing about Stanislav's last message without any more shred of information than yesterday. I know I'm really not the one to talk since I voted for Ruxana on both of those days, but Wilem seemed to know more about the situation as he switched his vote. On the other hand, he has privately pushed me to vote for Dmitri, so I can't imagine the two of them are both scum. The current belief is that we have two mafia groups, which hasn't been proved but still appears likely. So there's no reason why a scum wouldn't want to get rid of their rivals. Hey Dmitri, what if you're a naive investigator? That seems like it could entirely be a possibility if you weren't scum. Indeed, which would confirm Elena as a true investigator. That would make Yan's and Samuel's investigations meaningless however. This is bloody sadness.... 1 innocent conviction and 1 innocent death... I am not not going to sit back and be kind to my vote. I vote for what I believe and I will stick with it and I am not going to listen to anymore soothsayers in private. Vote: Dmitri (Dragonator) Stanislav mentioned two names, yet since the start you are hellbent on having us lynch Dmitri. I'm trying to find in your earlier comments what justifies this attitude, yet the only reason I can find is that he claims a night action. Can you tell us more about why Dmitri has been your only concern since the moment Stanislav died?
Sandy Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I don't think we will learn anything new today, and I'm certainly tired of going back-and-forth, so... Vote: Dmitri (Dragonator)
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Certainly; last night I investigated Patrick, who is the only person other than Stanislav and Samuel that I have spoken to privately. There were a few things that didn't really ring right in what he was saying to me, so I decided to check. However, my suspicions were unfounded as I got a townie result. Okay, now I really believe you're naive or a scum. It's obvious Patrick is scum; it's like Samuel says, he's 'reeking of scum'. The way he puts together long drawn out posts filled with nothing but what everyone else has said is definitely something a scum would do- in fact, it's what Donil did! That's odd... Patrick told me he hadn't been in contact with you. I know the two of you are working together, since you told me so earlier, but why does Patrick deny it? This contributes even more to my suspicions of Patrick and Dmitri. I think another person we should keep an eye on is Wilem. He is awfully quiet in this game, and on Day 3 he switched votes from Ruxana to Donil when the votes seemed to go that way, while on Day 4 he was more than happy to vote for Ruxana. I know I'm really not the one to talk since I voted for Ruxana on both of those days, but Wilem seemed to know more about the situation as he switched his vote. On the other hand, he has privately pushed me to vote for Dmitri, so I can't imagine the two of them are both scum. I've also been suspicious of Wilem. He was really outspoken and helpful on Day 1, but after that he barely spoke at all, and was almost never helpful. My theory is that the Russian Mafia converted him on Night 1.
Rick Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I don't really believe we can work from the assumption of a naive investigator. I don't think we've seen one before in these games... of life. But that Dmitri has only obtained town results so far is certainly remarkable, but far from impossible (if 1/4 to 1/5 of this town is scum - ignoring conversions and Godfathers who might be investigated as town - the chance of 4 town readings in a row is between 30% and 40%). As Dmitri indicates himself there could be value in confirming townies. However, with the obvious threat of conversions, the value of 'confirming' townies isn't that high and some of his choices aren't the most obvious indeed. Besides Stanislav and Patrick, we don't exactly know what has been the basis for his earlier investigations, so perhaps Dmitri can shed some light on that. This contributes even more to my suspicions of Patrick and Dmitri. Are you suggesting they are part of the same scum family? Don't you think they'd at least get their stories straight in that case and make sure they are consistent in what they're telling other people?
Peanuts Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I agree; no Cop would give themselves away so easily. I wouldn't say that's so perfectly axiomatic. Against my better judgement, I'd like to hear who Dmitri investigated last night. Going on your gutsTM rather than logic again? That's true. It could be that Samuel decided to tell several people about his role so that he could push suspicion off on them when Stanislav died, or it could even be that both you and Dmitri are town, and Wilem is scum. Yes, as Samuel pointed out, Wilem is also a likely suspect. Wonder why Stan trusted him? I too am vanilla I don't think you should tell stuff like that publicly. It doesn't make you more rustworthy, you know. No offence, but the scum wants to be seen as vanillas by the town, the townies with night actions want to be seen as vanillas by the scum, and so on. I really don't want to lose the Town Cop, so I don't know what to do. Same problem with me. To be honest, I'm rather clueless about who's true and who's not. I must ask how exactly having the message come from a confirmed townie changes anything. It doesn't change the fact that Stanislav's gut instinct is wrong. The matter is: He said he was absolutely sure, not that it was any gut instinct. And if he was still alive and said "I'm absolutely sure Dmitri's scum, I'd believe him. Because he'd die if he was wrong then. Very much so actually. Your entire stream of logic is full of "what if?". There isn't any fact, there isn't anything to base your accusation on, it's just a long twisted line of "suppose this was the case" and such. A very flimsy argument to place a vote on, certainly. I have to agree, the only argument we really have is Stanislav. If you think it was a gut feeling, don't vote. But he had said "absolutely", and "absolutely" is different from "I have a gut feeling". I think another person we should keep an eye on is Wilem. He is awfully quiet in this game, and on Day 3 he switched votes from Ruxana to Donil when the votes seemed to go that way, while on Day 4 he was more than happy to vote for Ruxana. Actually, votes could have gone either way, really. I was a close decision. And we shouldn't forget that there have been 15 minutes between his vote for Ruxana and his change for Donil, in which nothing has happened. It's not quite true to say "he switched votes from Ruxana to Donil when the votes seemed to go that way". Can't say I wasn't suspicious of him though. It's obvious Patrick is scum So why don't we vote Patrck instead if it is "obvious"? Better way to prove than killing the investigator, ain't it? I don't really believe we can work from the assumption of a naive investigator. I don't think we've seen one before in these games... of life. What about a movie named "Noir"?
Hinckley Posted August 28, 2011 Author Posted August 28, 2011 There are approximately 22 hours left in the day. vote tally Dmitri (Dragonator): 3 votes (iamded, WhiteFang, Sandy)
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Going on your gutsTM rather than logic again? No, absolutely not! Earlier in the day I was curious to see who Dmitri 'investigated', but decided it was best if he kept it to himself to avoid that person getting killed off or converted. So why don't we vote Patrck instead if it is "obvious"? Better way to prove than killing the investigator, ain't it? That's exactly what I have in mind, I'd just like to hear what Patrick has to say for himself first.
CMP Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Hmmm. I'd forgotten the picture depicting Elena as the investigator. On the (now seemingly unlikely...) chance Dmitri is the investigator, he's probably been made naive so as to not have 2 full investigators. That's still pretty damn improbable, though. And hey, if he does show up scum, we know just who to vote out next. Vote: Dmitri/Dragonator.
Pandora Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 That's odd... Patrick told me he hadn't been in contact with you. I know the two of you are working together, since you told me so earlier, but why does Patrick deny it? Have you gone senile old man? How can I have “told you" I hadn't been speaking to Dmitri when I hadn’t even read your private question, let alone answered it? This is a flat out lie on your part and you know it, and it makes me wonder what else you’ve lied about. You tell me the Peeping Tom is asking you to vote for me, but you give me no other information, and you still haven’t explained to me how the Peeping Tom is able to combine the role of Watcher and Tracker and know that their target was targeted unsuccessfully. Consider this my very public response to your private (and very odd) questions: At the time that you accused Stanislav I contacted him to raise some concerns with him. Stanislav also revealed to me that he was the Inventor and told me he was also working closely with Dmitri, so closely in fact that he had given Dmitri a bullet-proof vest. I then contacted Dmitri to ask if he had received any items from anyone, and Dmitri confirmed he had received the vest from Stan. I continued to exchange messages with both of them until Stanislav’s untimely death and when Dmitri first brought his claim to be the investigator to the fore. I stopped talking to Dmitri at that point while I tried to work out Stan’s final message and Dmitri's roleclaim. So I am not in contact with Dmitri currently, but several days ago I was. Stan’s message didn’t make sense to me, he hadn’t said anything about suspecting Denis or Dmitri to me and he didn’t send me a last-breath message so I was (and remain) entirely confused over the whole thing. I did tell you I was only currently in contact with one particular person and I am, I didn’t realise you wanted me to list every single person I’ve ever spoken to – it is relatively public knowledge that Petr also contacted me as part of his “let’s randomly contact 10 townies” crack-pot scheme and I can think of a couple of others including someone who worked very hard privately to try to convince me to vote for Petr. I still have the messages from all these people, and would have even shown you if you’d given me a chance to even hear your question. There are so many things about you that just don’t add up. You were voteless to begin with, and it seems as though Max was the one who had stolen your vote, I even told you I thought as much, but it also crossed my mind why your vote? Was there some sort of connection between you and Max? Even Stan asked if you had some sort of secret causing you to be blackmailed. Then there is the fact that you’ve been keen to coordinate our voting each day – you pushed for Ruxana’s lynch two days in a row and kept going on about how she was "full of lies" when it seems she was telling the truth. You report that you are talking to someone with some spurious Watcher/Tracker ability, yet when you try to report the results you also say that they learn other information too – like I say, I still don’t think you’ve adequately explained this. You now tell me in private and in public that people are performing night actions on me that I know nothing about (and have had no indication from God about), and imply that the Peeping Tom was watching me last night, yet neglect to mention whether or not your biggest suspect today (of the few you’ve bandied around), Dmitri, was seen targeting me with an investigation as he himself claims. I was still unsure whether you were just being fed false information, or were indeed the one feeding that false information to us, but you’re making it personal now - have I been asking too many questions Samuel, is that why you feel the need to lie about me today? From all the stuff you've been suggesting in private, and now saying I've "told you" something when I haven't even responded to your question, I'm finding it very hard to have any faith in you at all. You’ve led us all on a merry dance of convicting townie after townie, throwing random snippets of apparently received information, and wafting your finger of suspicion around hither and thither. The one person you know I’ve been talking to consistently should hopefully verify much of this information, however I deeply regret giving you their name now. I actually think it’s about time you started answering some questions, and I’m not happy to cast a vote on anyone else until you provide a damn good explanation as to why you lied today for starters.
JimBee Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I don't really believe we can work from the assumption of a naive investigator. I don't think we've seen one before in these games... of life. What, you've never seen the film Dystopia? I think I've made up my mind, and will Vote: Dmitri (Dragonator) We have to test out Stanislav's theories somehow. It's already been argued, "How can the hold any weight?", but I think this is our best chance right now. If not Dmitri, then who?
Sandy Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Have you gone senile old man? How can I have “told you" I hadn't been speaking to Dmitri when I hadn’t even read your private question, let alone answered it? This is a flat out lie on your part and you know it, and it makes me wonder what else you’ve lied about. I was hasty and drawing my own conclusions, I apologize. But the last time Dmitri talked to me privately, he said you were the only person he had talked to besides Stanislav. As for the Peeping Tom's actions and how they work, I cannot answer you, because they're not my actions. I know it might seem like this whole "Peeping Tom" character is just a figment of my imagination, but a few people already know that's not the case. I hope I have managed to answer your questions to your satisfaction. The votes against Dmitri aren't accumulating as fast as the votes against Ruxana yesterday, which is a good sign we're on the right track. Finally.
Peanuts Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I hope I have managed to answer your questions to your satisfaction. Well, you certainly didn't satisfy me. In fact, you rather confused me. I was hasty and drawing my own conclusions, I apologize. But the last time Dmitri talked to me privately, he said you were the only person he had talked to besides Stanislav. So Patrick didn't say anything to you and you drew the conclusion he denied having spoken to Dmitri? As for the Peeping Tom's actions and how they work, I cannot answer you, because they're not my actions. I know it might seem like this whole "Peeping Tom" character is just a figment of my imagination, but a few people already know that's not the case. They know it's not the case? Who knows it's not the case? How do they know? Are they in contact with the "Peeping Tom" as well? The votes against Dmitri aren't accumulating as fast as the votes against Ruxana yesterday, which is a good sign we're on the right track. Finally. That's not a good sign at all. The votes against Petr weren't accumulating either, nor were the ones against Benji or most of the other people who were ever convicted in such a game...of life. And do I get you right that you knew the accumulation of votes against Ruxana implied she was innoncent but you kept voting for her? I myself merely thought the bandwagon had been established before and decision were made before the first vote was cast.
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