Tamamono Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 At the time that you accused Stanislav I contacted him to raise some concerns with him. Stanislav also revealed to me that he was the Inventor and told me he was also working closely with Dmitri, so closely in fact that he had given Dmitri a bullet-proof vest. I suppose I could understand why he told you he was the inventor, but why on earth would he tell you about the supposed vest? So you could just steer clear of him and not waste a kill? I then contacted Dmitri to ask if he had received any items from anyone, and Dmitri confirmed he had received the vest from Stan. That's pretty easy to say now that Stan's dead. You now tell me in private and in public that people are performing night actions on me that I know nothing about (and have had no indication from God about), and imply that the Peeping Tom was watching me last night, yet neglect to mention whether or not your biggest suspect today (of the few you’ve bandied around), Dmitri, was seen targeting me with an investigation as he himself claims. The Peeping Tom watched you last night? Sandy, can you confirm this? What was Patrick doing? We have to test out Stanislav's theories somehow. It's already been argued, "How can the hold any weight?", but I think this is our best chance right now. If not Dmitri, then who? Has everyone already forgotten about Denis? He's a suspect too, y'know. The votes against Dmitri aren't accumulating as fast as the votes against Ruxana yesterday, which is a good sign we're on the right track. Finally. Like Petra said, that's not a very good sign. It's only a good sign if the people who are the most suspicious aren't voting for him (Patrick isn't!). I'm still convinced that Patrick is scum, but nobody wants to vote for him. I guess I might as well Vote: Dmitri (Dragonator) I will switch my vote to Patrick if people actually seem willing him.
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Sorry, I meant if people are willing to vote for him.
Pandora Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I suppose I could understand why he told you he was the inventor, but why on earth would he tell you about the supposed vest? So you could just steer clear of him and not waste a kill? That's pretty easy to say now that Stan's dead. Timur, Stanislav did tell me about the vest and Dmitri confirmed things as I have already said, and I have the messages to prove it. I would be more than happy to share them with you. The Peeping Tom watched you last night? Sandy, can you confirm this? What was Patrick doing? Samuel has already admitted to me in private that he also lied to me about the Peeping Tom targeting me last night. If the Peeping Tom had been watching me he would have seen that I did nothing, because I don't have a night action. I will pre-empt your petulant "well of course you'd say that", with: what else can I say when it is the truth and, in as much as anything can be proven, I can prove it? I'm still convinced that Patrick is scum, but nobody wants to vote for him. Why? Why are you so convinced? I have asked questions, raised information, pointed out things that God has said, where has this come from? If you have more to say about me than that my posts are a bit long, then I'd be much more interested to hear it as I am failing to see why you're accusing me.
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Samuel has already admitted to me in private that he also lied to me about the Peeping Tom targeting me last night. If the Peeping Tom had been watching me he would have seen that I did nothing, because I don't have a night action. I will pre-empt your petulant "well of course you'd say that", with: what else can I say when it is the truth and, in as much as anything can be proven, I can prove it? Really? Samuel, why would you pull a bluff like that? This makes you look a bit more innocent. Why? Why are you so convinced? I have asked questions, raised information, pointed out things that God has said, where has this come from? If you have more to say about me than that my posts are a bit long, then I'd be much more interested to hear it as I am failing to see why you're accusing me. I have to admit, most of the 'evidence' for suspecting you have now turned out to be false (the talking with Dmitri, the followed by the Peeping Tom). About the posts, it's not the length that's the problem. Making long posts is actually a good thing, but most (if not all) of what you say is just repeating what others have said. I'm really having a hard time sorting this all out. The scum have only been killing every once and a while, so I think they've been converting instead. At this point, there's probably around eight scum (from two different factions of course) and eight townies, so voting out a member of the town is not an option. I just don't know who to believe. Do I believe Dmitri and Patrick or do I believe Samuel? I'm going to have to think this over some more...
Sandy Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 So Patrick didn't say anything to you and you drew the conclusion he denied having spoken to Dmitri? No, he said he had only been in contact with another person, neglecting to mention he had spoken with Dmitri a few days ago. They know it's not the case? Who knows it's not the case? How do they know? Are they in contact with the "Peeping Tom" as well? Well, duh, of course they are. And do you think I will give up their names in public? And do I get you right that you knew the accumulation of votes against Ruxana implied she was innoncent but you kept voting for her? I myself merely thought the bandwagon had been established before and decision were made before the first vote was cast. It only occurred to me how fast the votes had gathered once the day was over. I'm trying to be more observant this time around. If people don't start voting soon, we'll have another Full Moon Festival ahead of us. Big Voice have mercy! Really? Samuel, why would you pull a bluff like that? This makes you look a bit more innocent. Innocent? I think you meant the opposite of that. I admit I lied to Patrick, but only because of the suspicions raised against him. I tried to use the knowledge given from the Peeping Tom to make Patrick slip something in case he was scum, but I have to say he kept his pokerface. Now that the stunt is revealed I can't try it again, so thank you very much... I'm sorry I cannot tell more about what the Peeping Tom found out last night, but if I did they'd surely wind up dead the next night.
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Innocent? I think you meant the opposite of that. I was addressing Patrick.
Sandy Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I was addressing Patrick. You certainly were talking to me in the sentence prior to that.
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 You certainly were talking to me in the sentence prior to that. I was addressing you in the first sentence and Patrick in the second one.
Peanuts Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I was addressing you in the first sentence and Patrick in the second one. Without changing the subject. That counts as creating confusion. I'll consider this if I'll ever vote for you. Have you gone senile old man? How can I have “told you" I hadn't been speaking to Dmitri when I hadn’t even read your private question, let alone answered it? No, he said he had only been in contact with another person, neglecting to mention he had spoken with Dmitri a few days ago. How am I supposed not to go nuts reading that? Honestly, I'm slightly confused about what happened when during which private communication. Well, duh, of course they are. And do you think I will give up their names in public? Course not, nevermind. It only occurred to me how fast the votes had gathered once the day was over. I'm trying to be more observant this time around. It's not wrong to do so. Just don't overinterprete things. If people don't start voting soon, we'll have another Full Moon Festival ahead of us. Big Voice have mercy! Which is what I'd like to avoid. Not that I'm glad about this, or that I'm satisfied by Stan or the info that's been provided, but nonetheless I'll vote: Dmitri (Dragonator). I'll be very sorry if you're town, but conviction has to be reached. I admit I lied to Patrick, but only because of the suspicions raised against him. I tried to use the knowledge given from the Peeping Tom to make Patrick slip something in case he was scum, but I have to say he kept his pokerface. Now that the stunt is revealed I can't try it again, so thank you very much... Otherwise than Timur I see nothing scummy with that. It's perfectly fine to try whatever is possible to get the scum, but I'd never have expected to gain anything by that. But it was certainly worth trying. I'm sorry I cannot tell more about what the Peeping Tom found out last night, but if I did they'd surely wind up dead the next night. Sounds like he's at least found something out. Let's hope you're right about Dmitri and that your Peeping Tom will help us somehow.
Pandora Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 No, he said he had only been in contact with another person, neglecting to mention he had spoken with Dmitri a few days ago. No, Samuel, let me make this crystal clear, I said I was only talking to one person, which at the time was true. I've just checked and my last conversation with Dmitri was 5 non-Moonlight days ago. The reason why it's not true now? Because you're also trying to whisper in my ear, telling me that the only way to save myself is to vote for Dmitri. When someone says to you "I am only talking to one person" do you automatically expect them to list every single person they had a conversation with since the start of this ordeal, even if those conversations were long over? Having already admitted to me in private and public that you lied, why are you still focused on me? I admit I lied to Patrick, but only because of the suspicions raised against him. I tried to use the knowledge given from the Peeping Tom to make Patrick slip something in case he was scum, but I have to say he kept his pokerface. This isn't a pokerface, I'm defending myself against the odd accusations you've been making against me for some time, both in private and in public. I'm still unclear what these suspicions are, will you ever tell me?
def Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I know I can be aggressive at times, and my suspicions can switch to the opposite in an instant, but I'm really trying to see the big picture here. I'm sorry that you feel the need to attack me like that, Denis, but I understand it's frustrating when all fingers start turning on you. you're sorry I need to attack you? Why not be sorry for making crap up? Why not be sorry that you claim to be in touch with a combination watcher/tracker, whose results you won't share? How about being sorry for trying to railroad a claimed investigator out of town rather than verify his claim with your watcher? It seems pretty obvious to me that lynching is not the way to verify one of our last remaining ability townies, and offered up myself as a vanilla to show Stan was on the wrong track (http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=59361&view=findpost&p=1059320), but it seems nobody cares about that. Who would have the logic that it's best to test this out with the investigator? I'm not sure if they're scum, or just a pawn of scum, but I have no choice but Vote: Samuel (Sandy) I'd actually rather vote for Wilem, but I'd hate to hear about that gut shit one more time. He's rabid to get Dmitri out, on the basis of Stan's message, and the roleclaim Dmitri made while the fingers were pointed at him. Funny thing is, in a story called the Forest, Wilem made a roleclaim on day one because he was worried about being lynched. He's also contributing little to the day thread. Maybe he's been doing lots of PM action to show his innocence.
Fugazi Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I'm sorry, I'm not buying what is happening here today. I have no proof that Dmitri is scum or town, yet I'm not ready to lynch our last action in order to prove the pet theory of a dead man. Yes, last action as I don't believe we even have a watcher/tracker/peeping tom anymore. Perhaps we had one once, but lately the fragmentary information coming from those who claim being in contact with this person only helped us lynch our own. I'm not lynching on gut feeling. Logically, I'd rather vote for Denis to test Stanislav's theory if I really wanted to, and curiously nobody in this lynch mob even considers this option. Stanislav didn't mention that one was more scum than the other. Don't tell me that you want to get rid of a scum investigator, what would the scum need with an investigator? If Dmitri is an investigator, then he's town. If he's scum, he might or might not have an action. Either way, I would test it on Denis and see what Stanislav's words are worth. No, the instigators of the bandwagon don't want to consider what logic dictates, and for that reason I'm not following them to our perdition.
CMP Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I admit I lied to Patrick, but only because of the suspicions raised against him. I tried to use the knowledge given from the Peeping Tom to make Patrick slip something in case he was scum, but I have to say he kept his pokerface. Now that the stunt is revealed I can't try it again, so thank you very much... I'm sorry I cannot tell more about what the Peeping Tom found out last night, but if I did they'd surely wind up dead the next night. Unvote: Dmitri (Dragonator). So Petr's madness lives on in Samuel. I need to rethink this. All this business around the Peeping Tom is confusing as hell...
JimBee Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 So that's it then? Let's all just stand around and play cards, counting down the minutes? I know a lot of us are confused right now, but we can't not lynch. If we don't, we'll have the consequences of another Moonlight Festival, as well as the lack of answers. Samuel may have pulled some... questionable stunts today, but I think he's just trying to get to the bottom of this. I can understand his reasoning for lying, for wanting to test out Patrick. Obviously Patrick has proven himself trustworthy now, by being completely open about everything so far. Meanwhile, the scum are probably laughing at the fact that the town can't seem to unite themselves and lynch a member of the scum team. My vote stands for now, but I do think that we need to reach a conviction today, whoever that may be. By the way, you'd think that the scum would jump on the opportunity to lynch a townie... obviously that is not the case today. I understand that part of it has to do with reluctant townies not wanting to lynch the investigator, but there's only four people with a vote on Dmitri. I know I'm not scum, and I'm fairly certain that Samuel is not scum. And, I doubt a member of the scum would lead the vote and draw attention to herself. So where are they? Not voting for their ally, I assume.
Brickdoctor Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 I honestly have no idea who to vote for. Dmitri or Denis. Or Samuel or Patrick. Or none of them. I, too, am surprised that by now we have essentially no more new information. I put off my vote waiting, hoping for something to surface, but time is running out. I have a Gut Feeling™ about Patrick, but I'm going to Vote: Dmitri (Dragonator). I don't want to end up lynching the cop, but I'm not confident voting for anyone else. That is to say, I'm not any more confident voting for anyone else. I'm not really convinced about any of the suspects.
iamded Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Vote: Dmitri/Dragonator Not sure if that's accidental or intentional, but you know how picky God is with his votes. I distinctly heard a forward slash instead of the hushed tones of parenthesis there. ...Well, not that that matters since you unvoted. So, if we convict Dmitri and he turns up scum, then we can be sure Stanislav was correct and therefore Denis is also scum. Which would make Samuel's word more trustworthy and would make Patrick seem incredibly suspicious.
Dragonator Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 This is utterly ridiculous. You are voting for me on the word of someone who has a terrible track record, no evidence and who trusted his final word to Samuel of all people? Samuel, who was unable to vote for 2 days, who has lied about this so called peeping tom, who has been making up crap about private communications, and who has lead or been a pivotal part of every townie lynch mob so far? Are you all really that blind? I thought I could trust Samuel to some extend after my initial investigation, but things have clearly changed. He must have been converted, or framed in some way, it makes perfect sense now. If I end up being convicted today so be it, but I want my suspicions known so that you can act on them appropriately after my death. Although it may be too late by then. I can almost guarantee you that this whole situation has been a set-up by the scum to try their best to get me convicted. They must be close, and they know that if they can manipulate you all just a little longer, then this town is doomed. I'm not going to stand for it, no sir. Look at who has been most vocal to have me convicted. Three people have been driving this; Samuel, Irene and Wilem. Those three have been twisting everything I've said, have been forcing this supposed message from Stanislav which, even if true, doesn't actually mean anything at all. I'm frustrated that so many of you have fallen for these lies and are out to get me now. It's easy to say "oh, there are no other options, let's just vote for him". But when you're going to be losing a vital townie role... it honestly isn't worth it. For now, I am going to make a last plea to you all to reconsider. It really hurts that the words of my old friend and ally have been turned against me, used by the scum to convince you to fall into their trap and convict me, but it isn't too late to change that. We can still win this, and I am confident that even if I can't convince you to convict Samuel and his groupies today, at least you will do it tomorrow. So, I vote: Samuel (Sandy). It should have been clear to me earlier, but this person is the source of all our confusion, all the lies, all the so called "facts" that have lead to so many town deaths so far. Don't let his lies poison you any longer people. Don't give in just because it is apparently the easy and lazy way out, to vote where the scum direct you to. Use a bit of brain power and realise what's going on here, I beg you.
Dragonator Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Oh yes, and while I'm reviewing a few things, let's recall day three for a second. Did Samuel help in the conviction of Donil, the Russian mafia killer that we had clear evidence against? Not at all. Firstly (http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=59026&view=findpost&p=1053397) he was all set to try his best to get stanislav convicted, the very person who supposedly trusted him enough that night to tell him I was "definitely" scum. Then, he went on (http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=59026&view=findpost&p=1053641) to try his absolute best to either split the vote or force a swing towards Ruxana to try and save his colleague, while maintaining an indifferent "oh it could be either but I'll go for Ruxana anyway" approach. I don't buy it Samuel, not one bit. And yet even though he lost he team mate, he still went on to convince us to vote Ruxana the next day. I can't believe I was so naively swayed to follow him.
Hinckley Posted August 29, 2011 Author Posted August 29, 2011 vote tally Dmitri (Dragonator): 7 votes (iamded, WhiteFang, Sandy, JimButcher, Captain Tamamono, Peanuts, Brickdoctor) Samuel (Sandy): 2 votes (def, Dragonator)
Quarryman Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Feel like I'm spelling my own doom here, but what the heck. Vote: Samuel (Sandy) And yet even though he lost he team mate, he still went on to convince us to vote Ruxana the next day. I can't believe I was so naively swayed to follow him. That at least is easy to understand, we all wanted Ruxana dead yesterday, for once we had an easy target and we all went for it. And a quick addendum, as this Day is almost over I fear we won't reach a conviction today, and if I wanted one I would have to go vote for Dmitri, but I don't feel good about that vote, so I won't.
iamded Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 We need 9 votes to reach a conviction, yet currently there are 9 votes total. That's a whopping 7 people who haven't voted today. Come on people, you need to do something. It's Day 5, we can't afford to waste time now... Err, I of course meant 6 people who haven't voted. Still, that's a lot! Catya, Falicia, Patrick, Polina, Raya and Vera, your votes can make this day count.
Rick Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 So it looks like we have to make a choice between Samuel and Dmitri today. Dmitri who has been mentioned as scum by the late Stanislav and Samuel who has led us to convict an important townie yesterday. I think I'm going to make my choice on the same grounds as with Donil. The role of combined watcher/tracker who's supposedly feeding Samuel information still doesn't really make sense to me. And if that watcher/tracker wouldn't really exist, I'm inclined to think Samuel himself has been feeding 'results' to the town. Vote: Samuel (Sandy)
Pandora Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 You falsely painted me as a liar when you lied about me yourself. You have some connection to the dead Godfather that you won't explain. You fill our heads with questionable evidence from a Peeping Tom whose role sounds more bizarre than even our God could come up with. You try to lead us to vote for our fellow townies and then say that it's not your fault and you're working hard for us. And then you threaten me by saying that the only way to save myself is to vote for Dmitri. I hear rumours now, from someone who bothered to ask me properly, that you base your suspicions of me on a report about me from Donil, who was proved to be scum, and you seem to think that this scummy misinformation is trustworthy? Why would you believe a scum, unless you are scum yourself? All of this, and the way you have acted and had to back-pedal today only leads me to the conclusion that you must be the snake in the grass. What other conclusion can I draw from your behaviour? You sure as hell don't look town to me, so if we're looking at the words of a dead man, I look back to Stanislav's messages to me (that another has now also seen) where he clearly pointed to you as being scum. So actually, Samuel, I: Vote: Samuel(Sandy)
Peanuts Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Well, I feel like my vote for Dmitri was a bit hasty. I know this might be used against me, but honestly, I'm almost as fine with voting Samuel as voting Dmitri. So for that, I'll unvote Dmitri (Dragonator). There are certain points which make me feel uneasy with Samuel, such as his "clue" about Dmitri being a Nazi, or the fact how much he trusts the late Stanislav. I'll wait and watch how the day developes during the last hours, then I'll cast my final vote.
Sandy Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 I thought the Day would have ended by now, but I guess I have time for one last reply. If you vote out me today, you will vote out a Townie for sure. It doesn't matter, though. I'f I'm gone, my allies will continue the work for me. I'm obviously not wanted to help this Town, and I agree that it might be better off without me. You falsely painted me as a liar when you lied about me yourself. You have some connection to the dead Godfather that you won't explain. You fill our heads with questionable evidence from a Peeping Tom whose role sounds more bizarre than even our God could come up with. You try to lead us to vote for our fellow townies and then say that it's not your fault and you're working hard for us. Why are you acting so hurt? This is a game (of life), we must do what we can to find out the truth. And I certainly wasn't going to be able to discover if you're scum or not by revealing everything to you. As for my votelessness and it's possible connection to Max, I still cannot answer you, because I don't know anything about it. I just wasn't informed about being voteless or regaining that ability in any way. The Peeping Tom gets those results, not me. I'm just the messenger here, and you know what they say about shooting messengers, don't you? And if you think something is too bizarre for Big Voice, then you obviously don't know him well enough. How do you suddenly know Dmitri is Town? Sure, Dmitri might have gotten the vest from Stanislav, but that doesn't make him any more likely to be an investigator. It's just his word against Stanislav's. So go ahead, vote me out with scum. It will not make you look any better once you find out I was speaking the truth all along.
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