Tamamono Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 I'm ready to vote for Dmitri, too, because I want to believe what Stanislav told me. If we find out he is scum, then we can vote out Denis tomorrow. While Dmitri's claim is bold and hard to believe, I actually think we should do it the other way around. If Dmitri really is the Cop, then we will have lost a great asset. I think we should vote out Denis first.
Fugazi Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 I don't know if we should be happy that the scum didn't kill any of us tonight or take it as a sign that more sinister things happened in the background. Nika blowing herself up is certainly very unexpected. Is this a result of an action failing, or a result of targeting someone with a special protection? It's too bad we don't know who was the target, unless Nika shared this with someone else before she acted. As for the absence of scum kills, it does suggest a conversion although a first conversion on the 4th night would be unusual. This is the first time that the tommy gun killer didn't kill, so them being blocked or their target protected is something we should keep in mind. If there is still a blocker in this group, perhaps they have been lucky enough to target a killer. On the other hand, if someone was converted what would make the most sense in my opinion was that the scum have chosen one of those already investigated, on the grounds that they wouldn't be investigated again. That's what I would do anyway. Ruxana... this is the worst surprise that happened in this game so far. I just can't piece together how the evidence and Ruxana's behaviour fit with a townie alignment. She watched an improbable target just as they were killed by someone else? She had a weird combination of actions that duplicated the Peeping Tom abilities? I'm sorry that we have lynched her, but frankly I still can't understand how she can be town. Which does cast some suspicion on the Peeping Tom's revelations, although I'm not suggesting that they're scummy. The last thing we need now is to lynch another of our valuable townies. It's more likely that they were overconfident -- like we were -- in interpreting their results. But I still find strange the idea that this town had two similar roles in Ruxana and this Peeping Tom. Hopefully the poisoner will have chosen the right target today, and with their help we can shed some light on the current situation. We have multiple suspects but no solid ground for a lynch. Perhaps someone else will have interesting information gathered during the night.
Rick Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Nika blowing herself up is certainly very unexpected. Is this a result of an action failing, or a result of targeting someone with a special protection? It's too bad we don't know who was the target, unless Nika shared this with someone else before she acted. Assuming Nika actually had a one-shot (or limited-shot, as we haven't seen apples grenades being used yet) kill action, I suppose she acted based on very concrete suspicions. I wasn't in contact with her, but maybe she told someone about her target. I have no idea what to make of her action failing, but if she targeted someone with special protection, this may mean he/she cannot be night-killed and only be lynched.
def Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 While Dmitri's claim is bold and hard to believe, I actually think we should do it the other way around. If Dmitri really is the Cop, then we will have lost a great asset. I think we should vote out Denis first. As much as I hate to say it, I have to agree with this. If Dmitri is telling the truth about his role, it's far too important to test by killing him. I would rather go with some concrete information, but it seems we don't have any yet. There was no mafia kill last night, so quite likely there was a recruitment or two. Samuel doesn't seem interested in letting us know what the watcher/tracker saw, though hopefully they followed Dimitri or I to help verify our stories. I place the blame of Ruxana's lynch on that watcher/tracker's shoulders, but if they have information leading to a solid lynch today, we can treat them as a townie with poor judgment, rather than as scum manipulating us.
Sandy Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 There was no mafia kill last night, so quite likely there was a recruitment or two. Samuel doesn't seem interested in letting us know what the watcher/tracker saw, though hopefully they followed Dimitri or I to help verify our stories. I place the blame of Ruxana's lynch on that watcher/tracker's shoulders, but if they have information leading to a solid lynch today, we can treat them as a townie with poor judgment, rather than as scum manipulating us. I'm trying to figure out if the "Peeping Tom" is leading us on or not, so give me some credit here. I'll surely let everyone know if I get information that would help us in some way, but so far I haven't been that lucky today. All I have to go on is Stanislav's statement, which is of course not good enough for you or Dmitri.
Hinckley Posted August 27, 2011 Author Posted August 27, 2011 Sorry for the delay. You may now vote. You have 46 hours to reach a conviction. With 16 players left, it takes 9 votes to lynch. Nothing else interesting is happening in Moonlight at this time. Carry on with your business.
Tamamono Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Sorry for the delay. You may now vote. You have 46 hours to reach a conviction. With 16 players left, it takes 9 votes to lynch. Nothing else interesting is happening in Moonlight at this time. Carry on with your business. Well, that's certainly interesting... Maybe Ruxana or Nika was the poisoner (although I highly doubt it), or maybe the poisoner was blocked, or maybe even converted. Anyhow, who does everyone think we should vote for today?
KartoffelViking Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 The bad news is that Nika seems to have blown herself to bits. The worse news is that we lynched on of our own last night. The good news is that there hasn't been a poison kill yet. As for who to vote off today, I think I would like to gather some more information before making any decisions. The only time we lynched a piece of scum was when we used the information from Ruxana to convict Donil. Surely someone saw or did something last night that may be of help to us today, or are we back to no concrete information and only speculation to go by?
CMP Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 I don't think we should vote out Dmitri. He claims to be an investigator, and while this is easily manipulable, something's occured to me. What if Stanislav could manufacture rigged grenades? And gave one to Nika? He wouldn't give it to someone he thought was a townie. So since he may have been wrong with Nika (if it is indeed his grenade), isn't it possible he's wrong about Dmitri too?
Peanuts Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 No poisoning? Strange...that would mean our crazy scientist was most likely either blocked, his target was protected or he is dead. Since the only ones who died since yesterday are Ruxana and Nika, who both had obviously other actions, I suppose the target was either protected or he was blocked. He has so far attacked the rather silent ones, and I wonder, who would protect them, unless they are scum and there's a scum protecter or he changed his habit. So I think, the most propably possibilities are: The poisoner was blocked, the target was protected scum, he changed his habit. There are several other ways a poisoning could have been avoided, such as him attacking someone who's not able to be nightkilled (which might mean he's mafia as well), or him deciding not to kill (if he's town, a serial killer would never do so), and so on, but those are rather impropable in my humble opinion.
Tamamono Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 I don't think we should vote out Dmitri. He claims to be an investigator, and while this is easily manipulable, something's occured to me. What if Stanislav could manufacture rigged grenades? And gave one to Nika? He wouldn't give it to someone he thought was a townie. So since he may have been wrong with Nika (if it is indeed his grenade), isn't it possible he's wrong about Dmitri too? Well, it may be that he thought the grenades would be fully functional, or are only functional when you target someone unprotected, but that could very well be the case. No poisoning? Strange...that would mean our crazy scientist was most likely either blocked, his target was protected or he is dead. Since the only ones who died since yesterday are Ruxana and Nika, who both had obviously other actions, I suppose the target was either protected or he was blocked. He has so far attacked the rather silent ones, and I wonder, who would protect them, unless they are scum and there's a scum protecter or he changed his habit. So I think, the most propably possibilities are: The poisoner was blocked, the target was protected scum, he changed his habit. There are several other ways a poisoning could have been avoided, such as him attacking someone who's not able to be nightkilled (which might mean he's mafia as well), or him deciding not to kill (if he's town, a serial killer would never do so), and so on, but those are rather impropable in my humble opinion. Or maybe he decided to target Nika last night, or maybe he even decided to target Dmitri, and for some reason the vest protected him against the poisoning. Either way, I suppose we can count ourselves lucky that there was no kill, because it would've most likely been a townie who died.
CMP Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Well, it may be that he thought the grenades would be fully functional, or are only functional when you target someone unprotected, but that could very well be the case. You mean if he didn't know it was rigged? I guess it's possible.
Peanuts Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Or maybe he decided to target Nika last night, or maybe he even decided to target Dmitri, and for some reason the vest protected him against the poisoning. Either way, I suppose we can count ourselves lucky that there was no kill, because it would've most likely been a townie who died. Also possible. But Dmitri has already stated he wasn't attacked tonight, and I have no clue how a vest would protect you against poison. I think that belongs to "less likely". About the grenade, I've got a gut feelingTM there are two or more night actions involved in an incredible conmbination; it's just like some god in some parallel universe said something like: "In my opinion, it's one of the most memorable mafia deaths in some time. Can't wait to explain how it happened." Sounds like something really unusual has happened. (jope that's not considered metagaming )
Tamamono Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Another thing just occurred to me. Maybe Stanislav (unlikely, as he was the inventor) or Petr was the poisoner. They were killed on Night 3, and Barbara died on Day 4, but wouldn't she have died anyway if the poisoner had already given the poison.
Peanuts Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Another thing just occurred to me. Maybe Stanislav (unlikely, as he was the inventor) or Petr was the poisoner. They were killed on Night 3, and Barbara died on Day 4, but wouldn't she have died anyway if the poisoner had already given the poison. As you said, Stan was the inventor and Petr claimed vanilla.
Sandy Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 It just doesn't make sense to me that Dmitri so openly claimed his role, and both him and me are still alive despite of him announcing me as a Townie. And both Dmitri and Denis knew Stanislav was an inventor before he died. Based on these circumstances, I am still willing to vote for Dmitri or Denis, but only if there are people who agree with me.
JimBee Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 While Dmitri's claim is bold and hard to believe, I actually think we should do it the other way around. If Dmitri really is the Cop, then we will have lost a great asset. I think we should vote out Denis first. Agreed. It would be a lot safer to test Stanislav's theories out on Denis than Dmitri. Though I would hate it if they were town. Another thing just occurred to me. Maybe Stanislav (unlikely, as he was the inventor) or Petr was the poisoner. They were killed on Night 3, and Barbara died on Day 4, but wouldn't she have died anyway if the poisoner had already given the poison. As you said, Stan was the inventor and Petr claimed vanilla. Just because Petr claimed vanilla, doesn't mean he is vanilla. I wouldn't be surprised if he were the poisoner, and lying to protect his ability. On another note, let us not cross out the possibility that Ruxana was an X-shot vigilante. Two days ago when Donil's life was in question, she approached me privately an told me basically what she told everyone else that same day, but I'm not sure if she mentioned that she was an FBI Agent. She told me that that was her role in this crisis, and "strong-arm" was what she said to God in order to use it. She also said it had "a lot of flexibility". I'm guessing that meant that she had a bunch of X-shot abilities, like x-amount of kills, blocks, protects, etc. We made a huge mistake yesterday if I am on the right tack with this. Samuel, I am willing to vote out Denis based on these suspicions.
Sandy Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 This might be farfetched, but knowing the Big Voice, don't you think it's... let's say coincidental that out of all the people Dmitri played the Nazi boy in last night's play? I know it's not much of an evidence, but I can't shake the feeling the Big Voice is trying to tell us something...
Peanuts Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Just because Petr claimed vanilla, doesn't mean he is vanilla. I wouldn't be surprised if he were the poisoner, and lying to protect his ability. I know, that's why I said "claimed" instead of "was". On another note, let us not cross out the possibility that Ruxana was an X-shot vigilante. Two days ago when Donil's life was in question, she approached me privately an told me basically what she told everyone else that same day, but I'm not sure if she mentioned that she was an FBI Agent. Ypu don't mean Ruxana was the poisoner, do you? 'Cause the poisoner certainly wasn't/isn't an x-shot role. I mean, if you have an x-shot vigilante role, would you use it on day one though there's no major suspect? No. It's possible she was a vigilante, but I thought she had used her tracking action every day? The day Petr was killed she said she had followed him, you say, she in fact has killed him, knowing that, but told us she had tracked him? And didn't consider it valuable information to the town to tell us shortly before she died? This might be farfetched, but knowing the Big Voice, don't you think it's... let's say coincidental that out of all the people Dmitri played the Nazi boy in last night's play? I know it's not much of an evidence, but I can't shake the feeling the Big Voice is trying to tell us something... Maybe it's because he's blonde? He's the only blonde male among us, so that might be a reason as well. I doubt God'll make it that obvious, but I'll consider it.
Rick Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 That none of the 'regular' killers struck last night/today is remarkable indeed. As has been suggested, it is possible the mafia(s) was (were) recruiting. But it is also possible that a killer was blocked or had its target protected. A protector would (probably) not see the attacker of their target, but if someone blocked a person last night, there's a good chance they blocked a killer. Only problem with that is that the late Yuri is believed to be our blocker, so if a killer was blocked, they may have been blocked by (rival) scum.
CMP Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Maybe it's because he's blonde? He's the only blonde male among us, so that might be a reason as well. I doubt God'll make it that obvious, but I'll consider it. Blondes are the source of happiness, though.
Peanuts Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Blondes are the source of happiness, though. Don't need to tell me, just look at my gorgeous hair.
CMP Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 It just doesn't make sense to me that Dmitri so openly claimed his role, and both him and me are still alive despite of him announcing me as a Townie. Didn't we use that same logic with Ruxana?
JimBee Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Ypu don't mean Ruxana was the poisoner, do you? 'Cause the poisoner certainly wasn't/isn't an x-shot role. I mean, if you have an x-shot vigilante role, would you use it on day one though there's no major suspect? No. It's possible she was a vigilante, but I thought she had used her tracking action every day? The day Petr was killed she said she had followed him, you say, she in fact has killed him, knowing that, but told us she had tracked him? And didn't consider it valuable information to the town to tell us shortly before she died? No... I meant that she was the revolver killer. We've never seen that weapon used before, so it's possible that Ruxana killed Petr. She said herself that she was highly suspicious of him.
Tamamono Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 It just doesn't make sense to me that Dmitri so openly claimed his role, and both him and me are still alive despite of him announcing me as a Townie. And both Dmitri and Denis knew Stanislav was an inventor before he died. Based on these circumstances, I am still willing to vote for Dmitri or Denis, but only if there are people who agree with me. Like I said; voting out Dmitri isn't a good way of testing him. I still think there's a chance he might be scum, but I'm not willing to risk losing the Cop- especially after what happened yesterday. Just because Petr claimed vanilla, doesn't mean he is vanilla. I wouldn't be surprised if he were the poisoner, and lying to protect his ability. Exactly. There was no reason for him to claim a poisoner role, especially if he really was one. On another note, let us not cross out the possibility that Ruxana was an X-shot vigilante. Two days ago when Donil's life was in question, she approached me privately an told me basically what she told everyone else that same day, but I'm not sure if she mentioned that she was an FBI Agent. She told me that that was her role in this crisis, and "strong-arm" was what she said to God in order to use it. She also said it had "a lot of flexibility". I'm guessing that meant that she had a bunch of X-shot abilities, like x-amount of kills, blocks, protects, etc. Oh, no. That means she must have been the Strong-Arm Jack-of-All-Trades. This might be farfetched, but knowing the Big Voice, don't you think it's... let's say coincidental that out of all the people Dmitri played the Nazi boy in last night's play? I don't think it means anything. At first I was looking for clues in the plays, but they seem to be just for fun. Maybe it's because he's blonde? He's the only blonde male among us, so that might be a reason as well. I doubt God'll make it that obvious, but I'll consider it. Well, I'm sort of a dirty blonde, but I doubt Nazis let their soldiers have hair as lustrous unkempt as mine, so Dmitri was really the only choice for the role. I'm ready to vote out Denis, but I want to hear his defense first. Denis, why shouldn't we vote you out?
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