CMP Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 That is entirely up to one's person brilliant deduction. Till this moment, I only heard one logical explanation for the grenade failure which was given in private and I am very much inclined to believe in it. It will not be shared until a little more verification. Then I'll wait until it can be explained.
Sandy Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Um, it's pretty unlikely there's 2 Inventors. It would be a lot more likely Stanislav thought Nika was scum and gave it to her. And point out where it's been confirmed again and again, please. I may have missed it yesterday. And the fact that you suspected the grenade was tampered with but let her use it anyway is just plain stupid. Or scummy. The grenade could not have been given to Nika by Stanislav. As far as I've been told, the inventor can produce vests, shackles, magnifying glasses and guns, not grenades. Damn, there's just too many things going on around here to make sense of it all.
CMP Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 The grenade could not have been given to Nika by Stanislav. As far as I've been told, the inventor can produce vests, shackles, magnifying glasses and guns, not grenades. Damn, there's just too many things going on around here to make sense of it all. Yeah, but would he really tell you he can make grenades that kill the user? I mean, if he started to suspect you, he could just give it to you. It doesn't seem like the kind of thing you tell others about is all. Jeez, I seem to be convicing myself. I still want to wait until Wilem explains the grenade thing.
Pandora Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Another Full Moon makes me very uneasy, it's clear that it has already had some effect in delaying finding out about Petra and Catya's affiliations, and I wonder what other effects there might be. It's likely, as Petra was killed with the Tommy Gun (in a most unpleasant way) that we can assume she is town, and Catya - well as has been said it looks very much like an act of God, but what was the reason behind it? Because she was quiet, or because she didn't vote? Or is it another scum kill dressed up to look like an accident? I don't remember anything like this happening the last Full Moon, even though it was only a couple of nights ago, so is there more to come? Have we missed anything else? And clearly the poisoner is back unfortunately, which means we can once again spend the first part of the day fretting that we will lose another townie to their cowardly action. I'm a little surprised at the nature of Wilem's reaction to Dmitri's investigation report. (Wilem you swear like a sailor! ) Having been relatively quiet he suddenly seems quite vocal, however it is great to hear him share his theories and some of his information. The information regarding the logical explanation to Nika's grenade backfiring would help us sort an awful lot of this mess out, however I understand if you are reluctant to reveal it here in public. I don't know what to make of Dmitri's investigation report, but hearing how Wilem has reacted is certainly making me think very hard about it. Wilem, you have our fullest attention now.
JimBee Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 I would just like to point out the possibility that if Dmitri is scum, that could be the end for the town. If he's lying about Wiliem, he doesn't need to worry about getting lynched tomorrow, since with another two townie deaths, the scum could outnumber us if they had five or six members, depending on who was poisoned today. There would be less risk in voting for Dmitri, since if he is telling the truth, there would be two families, neither of which would win if we lynched a townie today. If he's lying, however, and we vote Wiliem, that could be the end of us all. At this point I do believe Dmitri, and I know where my vote will be going, but that's just something to think about before placing your votes today.
CMP Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 There would be less risk in voting for Dmitri, since if he is telling the truth, there would be two families, neither of which would win if we lynched a townie today. If he's lying, however, and we vote Wiliem, that could be the end of us all. That's a good thing to bring up. But I see 2 problems. A, if he's townie, we've just killed what could be our only investigator. B, the rules state the scum must outnumber the townies. Looking back, perhaps Wilem's right. Normally, in the event of 2 scums, 1 of them must outnumber both the town or the other scum. This could mean a few things. Either there's only been one mafia this whole, they've merged or something, or in the conclusion to this mess they'll just group up and win together. I feel like we're screwed. We don't even know how many mafias there are, and it's already day 6. And Patrick, it's very natural to defend yourself if you're being accused of scuminess.
Brickdoctor Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 And Patrick, it's very natural to defend yourself if you're being accused of scuminess. Just as long as you don't do it too much, because that gets you lynched, as seen in a play I saw called The Coming Darkness wherein an individual quite similar in character to Patrick was lynched for it.
Fugazi Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 You've only got yourself to blame. Why did you not vote? Because the evidence against Dmitri was lacking, and still is. And the alternative was voting for you, which didn't sound like the right thing either. I'm sure we're just fighting amongst each other while scum are laughing their megablocks off. First important point Stanislav's departing message to the remaining few, claim that Denis and Dmitri are 100% scums. He had shared this same message to a few of us including Samuel, before he is dead and declared as an innocent townie. Obviously, I can't ask more private information when Stanislav is dead and it's an offense to disturb or probe the dead further. I am acting on his will and Stanislav had warned me, not to believe any of Dmitri's words at all. We heard this many times already, and what annoys me the most is that those using Stanislav's last message to cast suspicion won't ever be held responsible if they're wrong about Dmitri or Denis. They will only admit that Stanislav was wrong and apologise for following his lead, and go on with their lives. It's completely risk-free. On the other hand, if Dmitri is wrong, he will very likely be lynched tomorrow. It doesn't exclude that he could be scum himself, but either way for the town it's a step in the right direction.
iamded Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 ALRIGHT FOLKS. Let's discuss the option that we all seem to be ignoring. It has been made clear that Stanislav was 100% certain that both Dmitri and Denis are scum. You all seem to be unwilling to vote for Dmitri (Oh no, he's our investigator! That can't possibly be a filthy scum lie! ) so how about, in order to test this piece of important information we've all been recklessly disregarding, we vote for ol' Denis? Surely Denis won't have a problem with this if it can help the town get organised and maybe even just win here! If Denis turns out scum, then we'll know that Dmitri is scum too and everything he's said has been a god damn lie, and all the people defending him and backing him up are likely his partners in crime and we might just have a chance at winning this thing. If Denis turns out to be a townie, then we can finally have faith in Dmitri's claims. Of course, this'll all take an extra day to find out because we're so ▓▓▓▓▓▓ good at this () that we didn't convict anyone again, and we should have done it yesterday, or when the information was first brought to us and I'm sure Stanislav is turning in his grave in frustration as we all seem to be continuously ignoring the confirmed townie's dying claims.
Tamamono Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 I can't regard Dmitri as a full pledged sane townie investigator. But I didn't regard Ruxana as such either, and she got a conviction, so I'm gonna have to have to go off that. I don't think any of us are a hundred percent sure on it, but we have to try. Exactly. We all completely disregarded possibly the most powerful town role in the game... of life. I don't want that to happen again. I can understand you'd ask, but wouldn't it be pretty unlikely God would say 'Oh, hey, don't use that grenade, it'll blow you up when you try to use it."? Considering who our god is, there's a very low chance that he told anyone about rigged grenades - if they even exist in this game... of life. The grenade could not have been given to Nika by Stanislav. As far as I've been told, the inventor can produce vests, shackles, magnifying glasses and guns, not grenades. Like Polina said, if Stan could give rigged grenades, he wouldn't have told you about them. I would just like to point out the possibility that if Dmitri is scum, that could be the end for the town. If he's lying about Wiliem, he doesn't need to worry about getting lynched tomorrow, since with another two townie deaths, the scum could outnumber us if they had five or six members, depending on who was poisoned today. That's definitely a possibility, but are we really going to assume the unlikely and vote out someone because 'it could happen'? We did that with Ruxana, and look where that got us. If Denis turns out scum, then we'll know that Dmitri is scum too and everything he's said has been a god damn lie, and all the people defending him and backing him up are likely his partners in crime and we might just have a chance at winning this thing. If Denis turns out to be a townie, then we can finally have faith in Dmitri's claims. You say that like it's a fact, like Denis and Dmitri are magically connected scum. It only takes one scum to infiltrate a group of townies and kill off their night actions. And don't forget, Wilem also knew about Stan's role, and Stan was killed by the tommy gun, the weapon I believe to be the Baritone killing action. Wilem has been found as a Baritone. But it's not at all possible that he killed Stan. I'm sure Stanislav is turning in his grave in frustration as we all seem to be continuously ignoring the confirmed townie's dying claims. Just because he's dead and innocent doesn't make him right. You know, your flawed logic and your futile attempt to keep Wilem from getting lynched makes me even more confident that he's scum. If he's a Baritone, then we'll probably find some of his Baritone buddies on yesterday's bandwagon for Dmitri. That's me, Samuel, Yan, Wilem, Boris, and Irene. I know I'm town, but if Wilem is a Baritone, then at least one of the others is too, and I think it's you, Irene.
iamded Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Just because he's dead and innocent doesn't make him right. Everyone keeps saying that! Just because he's dead doesn't mean he's WRONG either! In fact, him being dead could be all the proof he needed, like if he were to wind up dead then he'd know for sure that Dmitri or Denis were scum because of some crazy plan he came up with or something. I can't believe no one is even going to take a chance on this. If he said something like, "I've got a feeling that Dmitri's scum, so... yeah" then I'd be happy to look into more valid leads, but the truth is he made it very clear to several people that he was 100% sure Dmitri and Denis are scum. And we're entirely ignoring this! It's absurd. You know, your flawed logic and your futile attempt to keep Wilem from getting lynched makes me even more confident that he's scum. If he's a Baritone, then we'll probably find some of his Baritone buddies on yesterday's bandwagon for Dmitri. That's me, Samuel, Yan, Wilem, Boris, and Irene. I know I'm town, but if Wilem is a Baritone, then at least one of the others is too, and I think it's you, Irene. Irene... wait, that's me! Bah! And I'm a she, thank you very much. And if Wilem is not a scummy scum? Then you'll have made a grave mistake. The Mafia could be incredibly close to victory right now, maybe this is the last push they need. And I wasn't on Dmitri's 'bandwagon', I started the damn thing. I'm sticking to my guns here, and saying that I'm damn sure Dmitri is scum, and has been lying to us this whole time.
Tamamono Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Everyone keeps saying that! Just because he's dead doesn't mean he's WRONG either! No, it certainly doesn't. In fact, I think there's a good chance that Denis might be scum. In fact, him being dead could be all the proof he needed, like if he were to wind up dead then he'd know for sure that Dmitri or Denis were scum because of some crazy plan he came up with or something. Did he say he had a crazy plan? No? It's obvious that he suspected them because they knew of his role, but don't forget that Wilem knew about it too. And where do you get off saying that they must both be scum? Like I said before, it only takes one mole in the group to kill off all the night action holders. I can't believe no one is even going to take a chance on this. If he said something like, "I've got a feeling that Dmitri's scum, so... yeah" then I'd be happy to look into more valid leads, but the truth is he made it very clear to several people that he was 100% sure Dmitri and Denis are scum. And we're entirely ignoring this! It's absurd. Was Stan an investigator? No, he was an inventor. I think I'll believe the investigator, thank you very much. And if Wilem is not a scummy scum? Then you'll have made a grave mistake. The Mafia could be incredibly close to victory right now, maybe this is the last push they need. So you think we should follow an unlikely lead just because 'it could happen'? You're just going to ignore the fact that we have real evidence against Wilem? We've used this type of logic before with Ruxana, and I, for one, will not be making that mistake again! If Wilem is not a 'scummy scum', then we're pretty much screwed. However, let me ask you a similar question. What if Dmitri is not a 'scummy scum'? Then we will have lost a townie and the investigator, someone we need desperately at this time in the game... of life. And Dmitri's really putting his neck on the line here. If Wilem turns out to be town, you can bet that everyone will go after him with a burning fury, and if Wilem turns out to be a Baritone, the scum have no reason to keep him around anymore because the suspicion on him will be gone. Thankfully he does have a vest, but what if both families target him? This situation is so much like what happened with Ruxana, and I will not let it happen again. Dmitri is town, Wilem is scum, and you are scum!
def Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 ALRIGHT FOLKS. Let's discuss the option that we all seem to be ignoring. It has been made clear that Stanislav was 100% certain that both Dmitri and Denis are scum. You all seem to be unwilling to vote for Dmitri (Oh no, he's our investigator! That can't possibly be a filthy scum lie! ) so how about, in order to test this piece of important information we've all been recklessly disregarding, we vote for ol' Denis? Surely Denis won't have a problem with this if it can help the town get organised and maybe even just win here! If Denis turns out scum, then we'll know that Dmitri is scum too and everything he's said has been a god damn lie, and all the people defending him and backing him up are likely his partners in crime and we might just have a chance at winning this thing. If Denis turns out to be a townie, then we can finally have faith in Dmitri's claims.: Funny,I suggested sacrificing myself yesterday to test that theory, and neither you or Wilem acknowledged it whatsoever. But when Wilem's name is on the chopping block, now I'm a good lynch target? I look forward to a scum conviction, so I can finally clear my name
iamded Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 Funny,I suggested sacrificing myself yesterday to test that theory, and neither you or Wilem acknowledged it whatsoever. But when Wilem's name is on the chopping block, now I'm a good lynch target? I look forward to a scum conviction, so I can finally clear my name I voted for Dmitri yesterday because I very much believe he is scum, and I still don't believe his investigator claim. I didn't switch my vote to you as everyone seemed to be ignoring that option, so I figured we wouldn't get enough people willing to switch their votes to you and that sticking to my guns was the best option. And it's not Wilem being on the chopping block that made me bring up you as an option. I'm not even thinking about Wilem, I'm still sticking around this Samuel/Dmitri/Denis triangle, trying to find out who's who there. And where do you get off saying that they must both be scum? Like I said before, it only takes one mole in the group to kill off all the night action holders. I say that they are both scum as that is what Stanislav said. He was 100% sure that Dmitri and Denis are scum, and I'm sticking with that claim. And Dmitri's really putting his neck on the line here. If Wilem turns out to be town, you can bet that everyone will go after him with a burning fury, and if Wilem turns out to be a Baritone, the scum have no reason to keep him around anymore because the suspicion on him will be gone. Thankfully he does have a vest, but what if both families target him? This situation is so much like what happened with Ruxana, and I will not let it happen again. Dmitri is town, Wilem is scum, and you are scum! Fine, you want to convict Wilem? So be it! Let's all vote for Wilem then! I still believe Wilem is town, but if it's his conviction we need to learn something here, then fine! Wilem has told me that Dmitri, Denis and the rest of his supporters will be going after him today, so when he's convicted and revealed as townie, hopefully the other townies that are still alive amongst all these scum will realise that Dmitri and Denis are scum, and that we should have gone after them ages ago.
JimBee Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 And Dmitri's really putting his neck on the line here. If Wilem turns out to be town, you can bet that everyone will go after him with a burning fury, and if Wilem turns out to be a Baritone, the scum have no reason to keep him around anymore because the suspicion on him will be gone. Thankfully he does have a vest, but what if both families target him? This situation is so much like what happened with Ruxana, and I will not let it happen again. Dmitri is town, Wilem is scum, and you are scum! I (and others) have said this multiple times, yet you keep arguing and ignoring what we're saying. This may be the final push the scum need to wipe us out. If Dmitri is lying, there will be no retaliation tomorrow since we'll all be dead! Of course, I'm waiting to place my vote until I actually can, and to see who's the poison victim (knock on wood, hopefully not me). I would imagine if Dmitri really is the investigator, and has a vest, the only ways to kill him are to either lynch or poison him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's been poisoned.
Tamamono Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 I (and others) have said this multiple times, yet you keep arguing and ignoring what we're saying. This may be the final push the scum need to wipe us out. If Dmitri is lying, there will be no retaliation tomorrow since we'll all be dead! You're right, if Dmitri is scum and they only need one more push to win, then we'll all die. It's true. However, what if Wilem (among others) is scum, and his team only needs one more push to win? And they're doing all they can to make sure that a townie dies today and not one of them. I personally don't think that the mafia can wipe us out yet. I think that there are already more mafia members than there are townies, but they're from two different families. If there were two families at the beginning with 3-4 member each and an all-you-can convert action, there's most likely about 7-9 mafia members left. In the end, it will probably come down to mafia vs. mafia. This is just a theory (and quite possibly a wrong one at that). Anyways, what I'm saying is that the 'last scum push' could come from either side of today's argument. I think voting off someone who has been found as scum is better than voting off someone who we have no real evidence against (And before you say anything, no, the fact that Stan's dead is not evidence. ) I would imagine if Dmitri really is the investigator, and has a vest, the only ways to kill him are to either lynch or poison him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's been poisoned. There is a chance that one of the families has converted the poisoner (which could account for yesterday's lack of a poison killing) but I'd say he/she's most likely a serial killer. We'll just have to wait and see who the target is.
Hinckley Posted August 31, 2011 Author Posted August 31, 2011 It is late morning and the residents of Moonlight are cleaning up the street from the Full Moon Festival. The police and the NPCs are hovering around the construction workers to make sure they don't tear up the street. However, the union contractors aren't exactly motivated to work. They've been sitting around all morning eating and drinking. The construction equipment is idle. Vera and the Criminal Foreman are having a burping contest. Vera is winning. The Cross-Dressing Construction Man has been guarding the Hottie Criminal Construction Man rather closely...just to make sure he doesn't try anything funny. "Hey are those space pants?" The Hottie Criminal Construction Man asks. "Space pants?" The Cross-Dressing Construction Man laughs, "I don't think so. Why?" "Because your megablocks is out of this world." The Hottie Criminal Construction Man answers. The Cross-Dressing Construction Man giggles and blushes. "So, do you have a stalker?" The Hottie Criminal Construction Man asks, "You probably do. Hot piece of megablocks like you..." "Ahem." Steve says. Suddenly, Dimitri falls to his knees and starts choking. "Are you OK?" Timur asks. "Oh, I'm fine," Dmitri answers, "I just inhaled some saliva. I'm all right now." Suddenly, Wilem starts choking and falls to his knees. "Wilem!" Agent Veronica cries, "What is it?" "Oh, nothing," William explains, "I was just showing Polina what Dmitri had just been doing." "Oh," Agent Veronica says, "Well, you got it wrong. Dmitri fell to his knees and choked. You choked and fell to your knees. Nice try, though." "Hey, this hot cop just died," The Criminal Foreman says, "I didn't do it." Vera (KartoffelViking) lies dead in the street. "Aw nuts," The Criminal Foreman says, "I was going to make her my next victim..." Mod note: I will do everyone the favor of saying that these pictures are for entertainment only. There are no clues in the pictures or the people chosen to fake you out. They are chosen at random, or rather they are fellow staff members that I felt it would be funny to make them sweat for a couple of frames. The Deceased Benji, a businessman, married to Irene, played by Big Cam - convicted on Day One (Town) Eugene, a manager of The Green Door Tavern, played by Eskallon - murdered on Night One (Town) Sarah, a retired piano teacher, married to Samuel, played by Sirius Black - died mysteriously during Day Two (Town) Yuri, a personal trainer, played by badboytje88 - Murdered on Night Two (Town) Elena, a college professor, played by Inconspicuous - murdered on Night Two (Town) Max, a lawyer, played by Masked Builder - died mysteriously during Day Three (Scum) Donil, a police officer, brother of Nika and Timur, played by Waterbrick Down - convicted on Day Three (Scum) Petr, a construction worker, played by Zepher - murdered on Night Three (Town) Stanislav, brewery manager, played by Shadows - murdered on Night Three (Town) Barbara, a yoga instructor, married to Boris, played by Bob The Construction Man - died mysteriously during Day Four (Town) Ruxana, a pilot, played by Roncanator - convicted on Day Four (Town) Nika, a firefighter, sister of Donil and Timur, played by CorneliusMurdock - blew herself up with a grenade on Night Four (Town) Petra, a nurse, played by Peanuts - murdered on Night Five Catya, a college student, engaged to Yan, played by The Crazy One - died from an unfortunate Full Moon related accident on Night Five Vera, a highway patrol officer, played by KartoffelViking - died mysteriously on Day Six. You may now vote. You have 48 hours to reach a conviction. With 13 people left, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Brickdoctor Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 MegaBlocks. For a moment there I had a hope that Dmitri had been poisoned, which would give us a pretty clear path of action today. No such luck, I see. (and nothing against Dmitir to wish he was dead - you know what I mean) I don't think this changes anything as far as the rest of today is concerned.
Tamamono Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 Well, that's not at all surprising. Vera was one of the quietest citizens in town. In the rules, it says that the affiliation of dead players will be revealed two days after their death; it does not say game days. So that means that we will find out the affiliations of Petra and Catya before the day is through, but we'll unfortunately have to wait until tomorrow(?) to find out about Vera. What does everyone else think? I personally think she was scum, but you never know.
Sandy Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 Geez, people dying left and right... If I still live when this ordeal is done, I swear I'll move to the countryside to live as one of those weird hermits. .sceptic: Anyway, time for business. I think the case against Wilem is as clear as it can get at this point, and nothing he has said has convinced me otherwise. The only other option to prove if Dmitri is speaking the truth would be to vote for Dmitri himself, but yesterday proved how futile that would be. Vote: Wilem (WhiteFang)
Rick Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 In the rules, it says that the affiliation of dead players will be revealed two days after their death; it does not say game days. So that means that we will find out the affiliations of Petra and Catya before the day is through, but we'll unfortunately have to wait until tomorrow(?) to find out about Vera. I'm pretty sure the big voice talks in what you call 'game' days. What does everyone else think? I personally think she was scum, but you never know. And what exactly makes you think that?
JimBee Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 Well, shit. It is extremely unhelpful that we don't know the alliances of the deceased, and personally I think it's a BS punishment. Give the town more disadvantages, why dontcha? God is mean. Anyways, I'm pretty sold on Wilem's (not Wiliem, I found out), guilt. I would like to wait until these alliances are revealed, though, if Timur is correct in the assumption that God meant two God days, and not two town days. The alliances of Petra and Catya, at least, will hopefully clear up some things. Or at least Catya's, we can assume Petra was town.
iamded Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 (And before you say anything, no, the fact that Stan's dead is not evidence. ) It's not that he's dead, it's that he's a confirmed townie. His death is just what proved that that he is a townie, and a confirmed townie's word is, for me, of more value than a tricksy supposed scummy 'investigator'. In the rules, it says that the affiliation of dead players will be revealed two days after their death; it does not say game days. So that means that we will find out the affiliations of Petra and Catya before the day is through, but we'll unfortunately have to wait until tomorrow(?) to find out about Vera. Usually when talking about days, God does mean days in this game of life. However I'd love for your theory to be correct. 2 days in this game of life is a long time to wait for results...
Sandy Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 But if you wait, it might be too late to reach the conviction. A better option would be to vote now, and change your vote if something new comes up. The day doesn't end when a conviction is reached, remember?
Hinckley Posted August 31, 2011 Author Posted August 31, 2011 Mod note: The affiliation of today's dead will be revealed on Game Day Seven.
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