Hero Factory 2012

[Darth Nihilus]

1:

Look at the hands of Breeze. What colour is the ball they attach to ?

2:

Red is not always just red.

1. Nice!

2. Is this meant to be an answer to my question about how Splitface splits?

[Evex-Wolfwing]

If your idea of Splitface's splitting is correct, I will be watching the show for sure!

And maybe a new headpiece so his face can split?

But yeah, the Glatorian head would be the best choice for this guy, since the helmet has to be two different pieces, and the Glatorian face has the two axle holes on the side.... I digress.

Never thought of it that way... but it would be the most reasonable way to do it. The transition from grey to red is too sudden for it to be a single piece.

Also, I'm hoping for a set of five twenty minute episodes this time.

[BrotherDog]

Villains need villainous colors. That way the little children can immediately tell it is a villain.

They've always flushed that down the toilet with heroes being red. There is no more villainous color than red. It would be a nice change for other colors to be aloud in the spotlight. Just sick and tired of everything and so many otherwise awesome parts being red, red, red. Please spread the love to other colors.

2:

Red is not always just red.

Yes it is. ;;P

...and there is way too much of it. Please spread the love to other colors.

Please.

Aw come on. You know you want to.

;;P

Edited October 11, 2011 by BrotherDog

[CabooseBM]

They've always flushed that down the toilet with heroes being red. There is no more villainous color than red.

Not really? Just look at Optimus Prime, Digimon/TCG Anime Protagonists, Little Red Riding Hood, and any number of kid's cartoon main heroes. You'll see a looooot of red amongst them.

That aside, I agree that I'd like more cool colors in HF, and less reds.

Edited October 11, 2011 by CabooseBM

[Omicron Squad Leader]

2:you are correct.

I don't think you can tell a LEGO parts designer whether they are correct or not in matters such as these.

[Tanma]

They've always flushed that down the toilet with heroes being red. There is no more villainous color than red. It would be a nice change for other colors to be aloud in the spotlight. Just sick and tired of everything and so many otherwise awesome parts being red, red, red. Please spread the love to other colors.

Personally I don't see how a color can be villainous, last I heard colors weren't self aware. But on the matter of villains, why not make one gold and purple? Those two colors can be associated with kings, which could work well if the villain leader rules his own planet.

[Evex-Wolfwing]

They've always flushed that down the toilet with heroes being red. There is no more villainous color than red. It would be a nice change for other colors to be aloud in the spotlight. Just sick and tired of everything and so many otherwise awesome parts being red, red, red. Please spread the love to other colors.

Typically, the villainous color is black. But really, it goes bright color=good guy, dark color=bad guy. Of course, we get exceptions all the time (Witch Doctor). Really, it depends. Red is a powerful, passionate color. At the same time, it is the color of blood.

Black and red seems to be a popular color scheme for villains. But really, it depends on the character in question.

BTW nice Krels. ^^

Edited October 11, 2011 by Evex-Wolfwing

[Front]

2. Is this meant to be an answer to my question about how Splitface splits?

No, looking at the biggest villain.

[Dorek]

Curse you Front, and your tantalizing tidbits of intrigue!

Does this mean Black Phantom is Metru red? Because I'd like that...

[BrotherDog]

Personally I don't see how a color can be villainous, last I heard colors weren't self aware. But on the matter of villains, why not make one gold and purple? Those two colors can be associated with kings, which could work well if the villain leader rules his own planet.

I didn't mean that and was more intended to ask for more love for the other colors, but semi-sarcasm doesn't really translate well in text. Especially when I forget to use bold, italics or colored text.

Edited October 12, 2011 by BrotherDog

[Toa Mark Surge]

Curse you Front, and your tantalizing tidbits of intrigue!

Does this mean Black Phantom is Metru red? Because I'd like that...

Me too, and please remove the ridiculous things coming out of his head, I hated them with Fire Lord!

[Tanma]

I didn't mean that and was more intended to ask for more love for the other colors, but semi-sarcasm doesn't really translate well in text. Especially when I forget to use bold, italics or colored text.

Oh, sorry for misunderstanding. By the way, is that a Spore avatar?

[xxlrocka]

Has anyone considered that since the tag line is "break-out'" that these are villains from prior missions? Thornaxx looks kind of like Jetbug, and Toxic Reapa has a resemblance to meltdown. The only one I can't place is Jawblade, but everyone else looks familiar.

I was thinking of ideas for hero factory before these pictures were released. I was thinking of jet turbines on the heroes. preliminary pictures are then released and ... BAM! furno is seen with jet turbines! funny ain't it?

[Toa Mark Surge]

I was thinking of ideas for hero factory before these pictures were released. I was thinking of jet turbines on the heroes. preliminary pictures are then released and ... BAM! furno is seen with jet turbines! funny ain't it?

If you have the power to make the sets what you want, please want a titan Mark Surge :P

[Evex-Wolfwing]

I say it's time we got a female villain. Giant dragoness of doom with flying minions, anyone?

EDIT: BLAR tiny but annoying typo.

Edited October 13, 2011 by Evex-Wolfwing

[Dorek]

As long as they don't make her a feminist. Like Breez. Blech.

[Aanchir]

As long as they don't make her a feminist. Like Breez. Blech.

Me, I like Breez's personality. But if a villain character had the same personality I agree it would be tiresome.

At the same time, I would want a female villain to be at least a bit progressive-- not some alluring seductress-type like Roodaka or a dedicated and obedient pawn like Gorast. In other words, I'd want her to have a sort of role (mad scientist, cat burglar, crime lord, or whatever) that could just as easily be given to a male character. The implication that female villains can only wield power by manipulating or serving the men around them is more than a bit outdated, and I don't think it would suit the Hero Factory universe at all.

This isn't to say I didn't like BIONICLE's female villains, of course. But it would be nice if female villains in Hero Factory could become a circumstance rather than a novelty. A few more female heroes to create a wider range of personalities wouldn't hurt, either.

[dviddy]

As long as they don't make her a feminist. Like Breez. Blech.

Yeah, none of that "women are equal to men" bull. That stuff is totes played out.

[Dorek]

I was okay with Breez in RotR; she wasn't stereotypical in any way, and she had her own traits and defects, and was fairly well rounded overall. But they just completely dashed that in OoF: the line "I'm my own woman; I'll protect YOU" comes to mind. She is utterly repulsed at the idea of romance, etc etc; I just found it so obnoxious. I'm hoping that she's a bit more tempered in the upcoming wave.

Also, I liked Gorast; she wasn't exactly obedient, she was just totally fanatical, which I found interesting.

Edit:@DV: That's just trolling. I don't have a problem with equality, I have a problem when it's used as justification for reverse chauvinism.

Edited October 13, 2011 by Dorek

[dviddy]

Edit:@DV: That's just trolling. I don't have a problem with equality, I have a problem when it's used as justification for reverse chauvinism.

It's not trolling, you made a dumb comment. Feminism =/= reverse chauvinism, and you implied very strongly that it did. You seriously said "I don't want any more feminists". Not "I don't want any women who hate men". Those aren't the same thing, and you very overtly said they were. I'm not okay with any thoughts of discrimination being okay. It's not, and making those kind of comments isn't okay.

Also, BZP is live.

Edited October 13, 2011 by Darth Vader

[Aanchir]

I was okay with Breez in RotR; she wasn't stereotypical in any way, and she had her own traits and defects, and was fairly well rounded overall. But they just completely dashed that in OoF: the line "I'm my own woman; I'll protect YOU" comes to mind. She is utterly repulsed at the idea of romance, etc etc; I just found it so obnoxious. I'm hoping that she's a bit more tempered in the upcoming wave.

Also, I liked Gorast; she wasn't exactly obedient, she was just totally fanatical, which I found interesting.

Edit:@DV: That's just trolling. I don't have a problem with equality, I have a problem when it's used as justification for reverse chauvinism.

She was kind of like that even before OoF; she was just such a terribly minor character in RotR that it wasn't evident. I consider the poor characterization of minor characters in RotR (read: anyone but Stormer, Furno, and the villains) one of the biggest flaws in those episodes, besides of course the incomplete-feeling explanation for Von Ness's desire for revenge.

In one of the Hero Factory FM episodes (sorry; haven't gotten that far in transcribing them) she makes it abundantly clear that she just considers herself a hero like any other and is insulted when other people don't do the same. Just a few episodes later she outright objects to her portrayal in Tibor Terrell's "Hero Factory: The Musical", where she is depicted as a love interest to Furno. She emphasizes she has no interest in romance, particularly not with her teammates, and she is just concerned with doing her job as a hero. Anything else comes second.

So her portrayal in OoF wasn't the least bit out-of-the-blue, and I think her lines in that were extremely memorable. In OoF, there weren't even any really obvious shades of the "not interested in romance" aspect you mention. She objects to Drilldozer calling her and Furno "lovebirds," but Furno objects just as loudly. The precedent for her not being interested in romance at all is from Hero Factory FM, where the issue came up in a similar way-- a character trying to "ship" her with Furno.

[The Crazy One]

It's not trolling, you made a dumb comment. Feminism =/= reverse chauvinism, and you implied very strongly that it did. You seriously said "I don't want any more feminists". Not "I don't want any women who hate men". Those aren't the same thing, and you very overtly said they were. I'm not okay with any thoughts of discrimination being okay. It's not, and making those kind of comments isn't okay.

Someone's taking it a bit seriously. It's really not a big issue. I doubt he made that comment with any malicious intent at all. Just a misunderstanding of meanings.

[Tanma]

It's not trolling, you made a dumb comment. Feminism =/= reverse chauvinism, and you implied very strongly that it did. You seriously said "I don't want any more feminists". Not "I don't want any women who hate men". Those aren't the same thing, and you very overtly said they were. I'm not okay with any thoughts of discrimination being okay. It's not, and making those kind of comments isn't okay.

Also, BZP is live.

Hooray; BZPower has returned! However from the looks of it you can't post yet.

[Dorek]

It's not trolling, you made a dumb comment. Feminism =/= reverse chauvinism, and you implied very strongly that it did. You seriously said "I don't want any more feminists". Not "I don't want any women who hate men". Those aren't the same thing, and you very overtly said they were. I'm not okay with any thoughts of discrimination being okay. It's not, and making those kind of comments isn't okay.

Also, BZP is live.

What TCO said.

Also, so it is. I'm honestly shocked. I can't seem to log in, but I'll figure it out.

She was kind of like that even before OoF; she was just such a terribly minor character in RotR that it wasn't evident. I consider the poor characterization of minor characters in RotR (read: anyone but Stormer, Furno, and the villains) one of the biggest flaws in those episodes, besides of course the incomplete-feeling explanation for Von Ness's desire for revenge.

In one of the Hero Factory FM episodes (sorry; haven't gotten that far in transcribing them) she makes it abundantly clear that she just considers herself a hero like any other and is insulted when other people don't do the same. Just a few episodes later she outright objects to her portrayal in Tibor Terrell's "Hero Factory: The Musical", where she is depicted as a love interest to Furno. She emphasizes she has no interest in romance, particularly not with her teammates, and she is just concerned with doing her job as a hero. Anything else comes second.

So her portrayal in OoF wasn't the least bit out-of-the-blue, and I think her lines in that were extremely memorable. In OoF, there weren't even any really obvious shades of the "not interested in romance" aspect you mention. She objects to Drilldozer calling her and Furno "lovebirds," but Furno objects just as loudly. The precedent for her not being interested in romance at all is from Hero Factory FM, where the issue came up in a similar way-- a character trying to "ship" her with Furno.

I dunno, I thought she got enough characterization in RotR, but maybe it's because I didn't really have too much to do with all the interim stuff between RotR and OoF, which is why I felt like it was such a 180; suddenly her personality is ALL about how she's an independent woman, and there's little else to her. My point being that if she has to ram the point down our throats, it's an overcompensation for the fact that she isn't; by saying she wants to be treated like everybody else as a women, then screaming about to everyone in earshot isn't likely to help her get what she wants. If her personality can be reduced to a trope, I feel like there's little point to her in general, which is why I was glad to see her go in SP. If she's a little more moderate with her feminism and actually tries to be a character in the upcoming wave, then I don't think there's anything to fret about. I just disliked her (a lot) in OoF, which happens to be the last time we saw her.

Edited October 14, 2011 by Dorek

[dviddy]

My point being that if she has to ram the point down our throats, it's an overcompensation for the fact that she isn't; by saying she wants to be treated like everybody else as a women, then screaming about to everyone in earshot isn't likely to help her get what she wants.

By saying she wants to be treated like everyone else and screaming about it to everyone, it shows that everyone else doesn't consider her as an equal. This is why people make those complaints over and over, because things are not equal, which is why it's so insulting to see you make these comments, which is why I reacted as I did the first time. You're misunderstanding feminism, and it's frustrating. If Breez was a real woman always complaining about not being treated equally, while doing equal work as her male compatriots, telling her to "stop complaining about it, you're making it worse" is extremely, extremely insulting. It's belittling, and yes, it's going to make feminists mad by saying that, because you're implying her complaints aren't valid. Which comes across as "women complain, but doing so makes them get even less respect, so they should just settle for the status quo".