Darkdragon Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Just one thing, who killed me? I think Dorathea killed you.
Nightshroud99 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I heard similar stories. If this is true... Yes it's true, she/he was my informant. And honestly threw me for a loop once I found out he/she was a scum.
Jedi master Brick Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I think Dorathea killed you. No I tot killed after she was voted out. But still blabbing once dead is unacctable, breaking one of the rules posted at the start of each day
Bricksandparts Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Town actually won?!?!! That's great! I was starting to think maybe the scum was somebody else.
Darkdragon Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 breaking one of the rules posted at the start of each day What is this rule thing you speak of? Sorry, though I meant to say Gabriella.
Jedi master Brick Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 What is this rule thing you speak of? 7. ( part of rule) once dead any infomation you have becomes void.
Darkdragon Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 7. ( part of rule) once dead any infomation you have becomes void. :blank stare: I see nothing Wish I could read! :laugh:
Nightshroud99 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 7. ( part of rule) once dead any infomation you have becomes void. She told me before she died, but nonetheless I can't just forget the information if this rule has multiple meanings. Ah well, doesn't matter now.
K-Nut Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Yay! We won! The scum did a very nice job, especially Aliandro! You had me completely fooled at one point. Now it's time to reveal my Night action: Vanilla Townie! I know, you're all pretty jealous. Thanks for a great game, badboy. :thumbup: to you.
Darkdragon Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 She told me before she died, but nonetheless I can't just forget the information if this rule has multiple meanings. Ah well, doesn't matter now. I'm pretty sure the "void" thing means any info you hadn't shared before you died. It wouldn't make sense that we would have to forget things shared by a character when they were alive.
swils Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I'm pretty sure the "void" thing means any info you hadn't shared before you died. It wouldn't make sense that we would have to forget things shared by a character when they were alive. That's correct, you aren't expected to forget anything you were told previously just because they died. And I don't blame Norbert at all for using the information he got to help the town win. I do, however, find it incredibly childish that a scum would rat out fellow scum, especially in the face of death. As was established earlier in the thread, a win is a win for -the whole team-, regardless of whether you survived or not. If one must die to help the many, that's just how the game goes.
Etzel Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 That's correct, you aren't expected to forget anything you were told previously just because they died. And I don't blame Norbert at all for using the information he got to help the town win. I don't know if we actually had any use of that information since he didn't trust it, and when he told us we didn't trust either him or the information.
swils Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I don't know if we actually had any use of that information since he didn't trust it, and when he told us we didn't trust either him or the information. Perhaps I should have written that as "I wouldn't blame Norbert at all *if* he used the information" then :P
Waterbrick Down Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) Good game to all who participated, it was fun watching you all go at it. Badboytj88 great idea on the whole circus theme. As far as the tactic of revealing other players' allegiances, I know that it's risky and should probably only be done with the agreement of the whole scum team, but sometimes it can throw an interesting wrench into the equation, especially if you know the noose is already tied around your neck. It's all one big game of guilt by association and reverse psychology and it obviously worked as neither Nightshroud or Etzel believed Darthnilus. As long as the info wasn't given after a player dies it's not illegal, however giving up information after a conviction has been reached is more up for discussion, since realistically the only reason people can spill their guts out to others, is because of the lag between a conviction being reached and the next day being posted. So it hinges on your definition of "dead" does it mean convicted or interrogated the next day? Edited November 1, 2011 by Waterbrick Down
Professor Flitwick Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Badboytj88 great idea on the whole circus theme. I defiantly agree. A very original setting! The entire presentation was great, from Fred, to the tent background, it was all very well made. I look forward to seeing you host the 'advanced' Mafia game you mentioned in the General Discussion thread. It was disappointing the amount of times the discussion thread was closed. I also hope that Darthnihilius can explain his post-mortem messaging.
Hinckley Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Yes it's true, she/he was my informant. And honestly threw me for a loop once I found out he/she was a scum. Oh nuts, so basically the Town cheated and the game ending is completely null. So, the only way you knew to kill Griggs and then go after Fred Fred Burger was Darth Nihilius ratting them out? That's cheating and I would never let Darth Nihilius play in one of my games. What a douchebag. Booooooooooo!!!! Boooo! Cheaters! Booooo!!! :thumbdown: Darth Nihilius, you suck. What I had heard was that DN the douche knew who the vigilante was but never told the Scum. Is that true too? And how did he know? Are DN the douche and Nightshroud friends? Or maybe the same person? Is that why DN logs in from a proxy? This is just horribly disappointing. Boo for cheaters, boo for bad Mafia School game ending. Boo. Boo you all. Except those who didn't cheat. Nightshroud, I'm not sure I'd let you play one of my games either. Did you tell the host when this happened? Do you feel good about winning because DN the douche informed on his own team? Yuck. This is just Boo and Yuck. I defiantly agree. Defiantly, huh?
CMP Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Defiantly, huh? It's a juicy contradiction. I think everything needs to be re-stated again. Some people are saying he sent info post-lionfooding, some say before that. It's getting pretty confusing. Or maybe I'm just as slow as usual... Still, this is a pretty big upset.
Professor Flitwick Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Defiantly, huh? ADHO can vouch for me, I've always had trouble with that word.
Fred Fred Burger Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) Hinkly, chill out, really DN should be punished for what he did, Not insulted childishly. And I don't really think night shroud is to blame for what happened, someone contacted the host I'm not sure who, but it could have been him, and he can't just unhear what he was told. Really I would expect a admin to act more like, I don't know, an admin. Edited November 1, 2011 by Fred Fred Burger
Etzel Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 As I said before, I doubt the Town really had any use of the information Dorothea (darthnihilius) gave Norbert (Nightshroud99). Me, Mattilda (darkdragon) and Barnabo (K-nut) was contacted by Norbert when we voted for him on day 4(?) where he said he was the vigilante and tried to explain his action with some talk about Dorothea which at least I didn't gave much for. So we told him how he should vote according to our ideas (which was taking out Tora (eiker86), doh!) and then kill Gabrielle (griggs) during the night. Those decisions were not based on any information from Dorothea since we didn't really pay attention to Norbert's talk about her, but on our own suspicions. So, I can't see that Norbert (nightshroud99) has done anything wrong, at least I have gotten the impression that he did messaged badboytje about it, did he not?
swils Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 As far as the tactic of revealing other players' allegiances, I know that it's risky and should probably only be done with the agreement of the whole scum team, but sometimes it can throw an interesting wrench into the equation, especially if you know the noose is already tied around your neck. It's all one big game of guilt by association and reverse psychology and it obviously worked as neither Nightshroud or Etzel believed Darthnilus. Without going into too much detail, I brought up the idea of having DN accuse people in a flashy display on his way out, since he was pretty much doomed thanks to the penalty votes. I didn't suggest he actually use Fred and I, though. And there wasn't any follow-up discussion about it, really. You are all free to draw your own conclusions from it, but from the situation and evidence as I saw it, it was intended as malicious/revenge against Fred and I for having voted for DN that day (the day he got the penalty votes).
K-Nut Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) With Etzel, I can vouch that nightshroud99 didn't seem to do anything wrong, as we separately talked about our suspicions. I assume that he brought this up with badboy, but for that we should wait for his reply. Edited November 1, 2011 by K-nut
badboytje88 Posted November 1, 2011 Author Posted November 1, 2011 Just to set a few thing straight: - Darth send Nightshroud the identity of his teammates prior to his death. Which can be used as a tactic, but it has to be thought through really good and it has to be done in agreement with the other teammembers.\ - Nightshroud was open and honest about what he had heard. He didn't know whether to trust Darth or not so I honestly believe he based his kill on the day time behavior and his gut feeling. Grades will be up tomorrow.
UsernameMDM Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I wish the great Benzini Bros could have lasted a little longer. It was a challenge to type with an accent.
swils Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) I think everything needs to be re-stated again. Some people are saying he sent info post-lionfooding, some say before that. It's getting pretty confusing. I can't quote exact times, due to limitations of writeboard, but I can at least put the relevant stuff I know of in chronological order: *CdF Day 3 thread, 23 Oct, FredFred suggests voting for DN. *Scum-WB Day 3, 23 Oct, I ask about/bring up/"suggest" having DN throw a fit "on the way out the door", falsely accusing someone else, then, before the day closed, apologizing for it and saying he shouldn't have done that. *CdF Day 3 thread, 23 Oct (4:40PM -9), DN's post on pg3, sort of fit in the vein of what I'd described on the WriteBoard, but then outs*1* FredFredBurger *Scum-WB Day 3, 23 Oct, I ask about DN's motives for his post *CdF Day 3 thread, 23 Oct (7:40PM -9), I question DN's "sanity" and vote for him. *CdF Day 3 thread, 23 Oct (8:30PM -9), DN replies to my comment and vote, and then paints a target on my back as well as fred's. *Scum-WB Day 3, 24 Oct, I comment, "It would be nice if DN would check in here and either give us a hearty “FU” or “Don’t worry guys, it’s part of my plan. Scum for life!” As it is, I’m really not sure right now." *CdF Day 3 thread, 24 Oct, Conversation continues between DN and I *Scum-WB Day 3 thread, 24 Oct, DN finally communicates behind the scenes: "My last post here. Thanks a lot for the HELP, guys! Why would you convict me? I had an in with Nightshroud, who is the Serial Killer, and Eiker, who is the Investigator. Goodbye, and I hope you use my info well. I will never forgive you FFB." *CdF Day 3 thread, 24 Oct (9:20AM, -9), final vote tally, DN will be lynched. *1*The validity of "outs" is questionable: AFAIK, no one knew to trust DN's claims, but he put the information out there. That's what I've got. If anyone can fill in the gaps, please feel free to add to the timeline (Especially timestamps for PMs from DN that claim FFB and my guilt). And to DN, in response to what I quoted from your last post on the writeboard, you screwed yourself with those penalty votes because of your talking on the C&D thread. The safest course of action for the rest of us was, in this case, to hop on the bandwagon and vote for you. It's a lot easier to blend into the crowd, and even moreso when the lynched player turns out to be a scum. And it's a heck of a lot easier to say "Hey, let's vote for PlayerX because didn't vote for the scum we just killed" rather than have to defend yourself AS PlayerX in that situation. Edit: Semi-ninja'ed by badboy. Edited November 1, 2011 by swils
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