Guilds of Historica Introduction/General Discussion Thread

[Captain Settle]

If you check ZC's challenge entry, at the end you can see that the guilds all split up. I suggest looking at them.

[Str0ngbad]

I've looked at it quite a few times but I don't believe his challenge entry is the same as the lore. If you read that one, I think you'll understand why I'm asking. Also, I'm not sure whether the Valyrians or the Avalonians are the greater threat to Historica. While the Valyrians are wasting their time in Nocturnus, the Avalonians are grabbing the crown. ;)

[SkaForHire]

And they wear tights... total fashion NO NO!

[Maxim I]

No way I want a hippie as king...

[Garmadon]

I know we aren't beginning the next chapter for a while but I'm curious; are the other guilds going to be choosIng a side or is it just going to be Avalonians doing the splitting?

I've looked at it quite a few times but I don't believe his challenge entry is the same as the lore. If you read that one, I think you'll understand why I'm asking. Also, I'm not sure whether the Valyrians or the Avalonians are the greater threat to Historica. While the Valyrians are wasting their time in Nocturnus, the Avalonians are grabbing the crown. ;)

The only difference (as far as I can tell) is that the lore doesn't have the questions at the end.

And about Avalonia, their split is far bigger than the splits in the other guilds (if there will be any in the other guilds , and I think there will be, just not yet ), so its no wonder that they are starting now .

[ZCerberus]

It'll be more clear as we get into book two. I'm working with the other EB staff members to set-up the framework. I think there will be some surprises.

[Gideon]

I know we aren't beginning the next chapter for a while but I'm curious; are the other guilds going to be choosIng a side or is it just going to be Avalonians doing the splitting?

There are some trouble brewing in Kaliphlin and Mitgardia as well if ZC's original Ch VI story is to be believed as I recall it, but I can't recall seeing anything in the official lore about that...? Maybe we'll just wait and see what happens after the Mitgardian election and wait until the start of Book 2 to see if the rumors of a rebellion in Kaliphlin against Lord Flagg are true? All Kaliphlins are maybe not happy with his absent style of leadership...?

[Str0ngbad]

It'll be more clear as we get into book two. I'm working with the other EB staff members to set-up the framework. I think there will be some surprises.

OK, I'll cool my jets. I'm looking forward to these surprises.

[Maxim I]

There are some trouble brewing in Kaliphlin and Mitgardia as well if ZC's original Ch VI story is to be believed as I recall it, but I can't recall seeing anything in the official lore about that...? Maybe we'll just wait and see what happens after the Mitgardian election and wait until the start of Book 2 to see if the rumors of a rebellion in Kaliphlin against Lord Flagg are true? All Kaliphlins are maybe not happy with his absent style of leadership...?

We aren't?

For Lord Damaximus, it is perfect that Lord Dextrus Flagg gives Kaliphlin so much freedom He is shivering by the idea of having a ruler who bans slavery for example

[robuko]

There are some trouble brewing in Kaliphlin and Mitgardia as well if ZC's original Ch VI story is to be believed as I recall it, but I can't recall seeing anything in the official lore about that...? Maybe we'll just wait and see what happens after the Mitgardian election and wait until the start of Book 2 to see if the rumors of a rebellion in Kaliphlin against Lord Flagg are true? All Kaliphlins are maybe not happy with his absent style of leadership...?

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[ZCerberus]

Some progress on Book II ideas has come together.

I want to keep you guys in the loop on the progress!

Right now, this is how the Book 2 will go.

We believe we will be rebooting the guild threads... this means if you want your character to join a new guild or you want to create a new character in a new guild, you can. This does not mean you can have two characters. If you make a new one in a new guild, that is now your “home guild” from now on, if you move your current character to a new guild, that is your home guild from now on.

We will have a "core" guild team that will handle the judging, the maintenance of the threads and help keep the story cohesive. As it turns out, this core team already has regulator powers. Ecc, rogueang, and ZCerberus are the current core members as they are the EB History staff and also represent (or will represent) different guilds in Historcia. I think we will be looking for a fourth member from the guild of Kaliphlin to join the “core” team. This means if you join Kaliphlin as your home guild, you can possibly join the “core team”, though this still isn’t worked out perfectly.

After we reboot the threads, this is how things will progress…

We will start in Nocturnus, then cycle through each guild as they endure their own “civil war”.

Before each civil war chapter begins, two members from that home guild will join the core team to help develop the story for their guild’s conflict. One member will be added through popular vote, much like a prime minister election, the other will be added by having the best entry in a “pop-up” challenge. A pop-up challenge is a build in response to a “rumor” or “decree” posted by the core team. The idea here will be something like “Trade caravans in Kaliphlin have been vanishing in the night” and the Kaliphlinite who builds the best MOC depicting what has or is happening to the caravans will join the story team for that challenge.

To be clear, after the civil war in your home guild ends, these two story members will no longer be on the “core team”. I do believe these members will be considered highly for future leadership positions as future chapters unfold.

When the civil war begins, members of the home guild will be allowed to choose which side of the civil war they will support. Anyone else who wishes to participate will be randomly assigned a side to support. You can decide if your character is entering the conflict personally, or sending an emissary to take part in the conflict. What I mean is your main character doesn’t have to participate directly if that doesn’t fit with your persona, but you will still “play” your main character in your home guild. There will be trophies and tags for winning in each category, plus it is fun, so I encourage everyone who is able to participate in each civil war if they can, even when it is not in your home guild.

I envision the two story members from their guild will lead each of the two conflicting sides after the conflict is set. This also means if you make the story team for your guild and your side is victorious, you are the de facto leader of that guild/side for story purpose. Though the EB Staff (i.e., the core leaders) will still be in charge of titles, tags and contest prizes, the de facto story leader will be important to the lore of Historica! The de facto leader may also have some say in how the side that was not so victorious in the conflict will be treated. We’ll see how well that works out. I could envision some fun to be had there as well! Maybe the de facto leader requires a tribute MOC to his side to rejoin the fold. Again, we’ll see how this works out as we go.

Back to the challenges… for your side to win the civil war, you must be judged victorious in at least 2 of the 3 building categories each civil war challenge will have. The three building challenges will always be a pure medium sized (size restrictions TBD depending on build) “build” challenge, a small or vignette challenge and an unlimited size “story” challenge. What the build, vignette and story will be about will be developed with the story team members. These three categories will allow people with various size collections to compete in some way and help their side win a challenge. After the entries have all been submitted, a judging panel consisting of three judges will write a published opinion on which side they believe won each category and why. At the present time, the plan is to have each “core” team member whose home guild is not involved in the conflict be the judging panel. That may evolve as the story goes on.

Because we had to start somewhere without too much delay, the civil war in Nocturnus and story has already been set. This means we will circle BACK to Nocturnus last. This means TWO chapters will be set in Nocturnus and Nocturnians will get to choose the side they represent TWICE. A little bonus for joining Nocty.

As you may notice, all four of the original guild leaders have been unshackled. This means they can totally participate in Book 2 in anyway they see fit.

What do you guys think? Does this sound like a good idea? It will allow for more potential particiapation in the story without creating 212 authors. It also allows people with different sized collections to build, has more transparent judging and will allow people to choose a new guild and also get a chance to build in each guild's style. I think it addresses a lot of the issues Book I had as we learned a lot while working through the process.

[Infernum]

What do you guys think? Does this sound like a good idea?

A good idea?! This sounds incredible ZC! Thanks to you and the others for both putting in so much time and keeping us informed! I love the idea of only the members of the guild at war being able to pick, as well as the bonuses for Nocty. Can't wait for this to start!

I can tell how much effort you guys put into it, and I see nothing to disagree with. My main concern till now was that no one would choose one of the sides in the civil wars, like how everyone in kaliphlin seems to want to keep following Flagg, but you've addressed that issue. I also love the idea of the mini-challenge for who'll run the civil war, and the winning side's character staying important. I think with this system book two will be even better than the first. Great work!

[Mike S]

What do you guys think? Does this sound like a good idea? It will allow for more potential particiapation in the story without creating 212 authors. It also allows people with different sized collections to build, has more transparent judging and will allow people to choose a new guild and also get a chance to build in each guild's style. I think it addresses a lot of the issues Book I had as we learned a lot while working through the process.

Thanks for the update! Sounds good to me. But I do have one question. What happens should everyone in a guild choose to be on the same side? Do the other participating members of the other guilds automatically get asigned to the opposition to balance things out?

[ZCerberus]

Thanks for the update! Sounds good to me. But I do have one question. What happens should everyone in a guild choose to be on the same side? Do the other participating members of the other guilds automatically get asigned to the opposition to balance things out?

Yes. I guess your guild COULD try to stay united. Technically speaking at least ONE person from Kaliphlin would be on the opposing side as one of the two story members would lead the opposition.

[soccerkid6]

@ZC: Sounds good, I have the same question as Masa though. Thanks for all the work you guys have put into this so far, looks like it will be lots of fun

[Erynlasgalen]

I'm really looking forward to Book II, the changes seem to be just what we need to keep it exciting. I really like the idea of bringing two people in for the story for each challenge, and the perk that home members get to pick their side in the civil war.

As for the Kaliphlin "core" I would hope that more consideration would be given to the members of Kaliphlin that have been here for sometime and chose not to change guilds.We have quite a few veterans and I would hate to see an influx of people coming to Kaliphlin just for the chance to be a leader.

Now the question is who is considering moving from their original guild to a new one? As much as I love mountains and swamps and trees, I know I will be sticking with Kaliphlin.

[soccerkid6]

I'm definitely staying in Mitgardia, there's now way I'd leave. I feel like Mitgardia has really become a team of builders

[Infernum]

I'm definitely staying in Mitgardia, there's no way I'd leave. I feel like Mitgardia has really become a team of builders

SK took the words right from my brain. What else did he take?

[Mike S]

Hmmm I just thought of another question. Suppose (this is just hypothetical as I'm not changing guilds and I don't want any other guild's shield) I was a tag freak and wanted to collect shields from every guild. If I moved around from guild to guild for each chapter would I have a chance to get other guild's shields? Or is the chance to reset only this once and not for the other chapters?

[Rolli]

Sounds very well thought out ZC! It's a shame that I won't be able to take part - it sounds like so much fun!

I will stay in Avalonia for now. Old character. So much more to be told.

If there is anything I can do to participate without building or having bricks at hand, I'm happy to jump in. Not counting flying home for a lug exhibition I won't see my bricks until Christmas from September on.

Or is the chance to reset only this once and not for the other chapters?

Was thinking the same as I'm staying in Avalonia for now but was thinking about venturing to Nocturnus after a while.. like halfway through Chapter II as I will be back then.

Edited August 1, 2013 by Rolli

[Mike S]

SK took the words right from my brain. What else did he take?

I have a feeling that only Avalonians will be changing guilds...

[Captain Settle]

Well Nocturnus is looking tempting, and I do love dark builds, but I think I'll stick with Avalonia.

[ZCerberus]

Hmmm I just thought of another question. Suppose (this is just hypothetical as I'm not changing guilds and I don't want any other guild's shield) I was a tag freak and wanted to collect shields from every guild. If I moved around from guild to guild for each chapter would I have a chance to get other guild's shields? Or is the chance to reset only this once and not for the other chapters?

Changing Guilds is a one time shot. Besides, who said the Tag/shield would look anything like the Guild shileds from Book 1?

[Mike S]

Changing Guilds is a one time shot. Besides, who said the Tag/shield would look anything like the Guild shileds from Book 1?

Ok thats what I was thinking.

Cool! Shiny new guild shield tags...

[de Gothia]

Great work with Book 2 guys! Sounds really promising! I hope time will be with this autumn but right now it´s pretty busy!! :/ ( Oh if only I was rich! =) )