Rogue Angel Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 So I'm working on my Challenge VI Entry, and I am trying to create armies for each of the guilds. I have tried to use what I have seen posted in each of the guild forums without using the same unit for multiple guilds. I'm trying to define the different units that you'd see from each guild, and I'd like some feedback on any units that I might be missing, or any changes that people would suggest. Not that I'm necessarily going to listen to you, but I would like to portray the different guilds as they would like to be portrayed. Here goes. Avalonian Units Dragon/Sand Green, Elves, Forestmen... Easy enough. Kaliphlin Units This is the Guild I still need more units for. The figure in orange will have a white turban instead of the black turban, and I am planning to use the Alamhut guards (dk gray helms). I'm not really sold on the scale mail red ninja wrap unit, but I don't really feel that using the ninja torsos would be appropriate. I would like to incorporate the ninja wrap with a unit, but I haven't found a great use yet. Mitgardian Units Vikings and Dwarves fill out these units pretty well. Plus, where there are dwarves, there are often gnomes... Nocturnus Units I can't really afford to buy Bossk heads in mass, so I can't really do the reptilian units. Minotaurs, Dwarves and Orcs will have to do (and I don't have the werewolf heads that Hersbrucker was using, but I may end up buying some). I may also add some zombie units to this guild's forces. Valyrian Units I took some liberties with the new soldier, but I thought he might fit in well with the theme. Obviously, this is a smaller guild and there will be less soldiers. I may add some pirates/sailors in, but that is YTBD. Obviously I don't have any knights or Sigfigs included, and I'm planning to make Sigfigs as you guys have them. Also, there are some larger factions missing, (Falcon, Bull, Old Lion, Leo) that I haven't included with any of these. I don't really see them as an integral part of any guild, even though I know some people do use them. Let me know what you think!
Rogue Angel Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 im missing avalonian dwarves? People barely use dwarves at all, which is a shame. I believe they are in the background history for Mitgardia, Nocturnus and Valyrio, but I don't remember them being mentioned for Avalonia.
Legonardo Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 People barely use dwarves at all, which is a shame. I believe they are in the background history for Mitgardia, Nocturnus and Valyrio, but I don't remember them being mentioned for Avalonia. pitty, more than half of my (small) army are dwarves. anyway good work!
SkaForHire Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 I am pretty sure the leader of Kaliphlin is a dwarf... :) So we have them too! So far what you have looks good. I don't like popping out arms, so I just use a lot of the current lion figures as Kaliphlin stock troops. Way back when, we decided that those stock troops were really only found in the cities as guards, as we all had very diverse armies. But times are tough, so those guardsmen are going to have to come into battle too.
Kai NRG Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Like Ska mentioned, Kaliphlin has plenty of dwarves! Pretty funny mummy face, and as far as the lion knight is concerned I don't think the DK blue pants are really necessary, red would be just as good. But except for the city guards, we're supposed to have more of a rag-tag army, so I wouldn't worry too much about having multiple of the same types of soldier.
Rogue Angel Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 pitty, more than half of my (small) army are dwarves. anyway good work! There are plenty of Hill dwarf outposts and "civilized" Moumtain Dwarves scattered throughout Historica, so it would not be surprising to find a concentration of them in your lands LG.
Captain BeerBeard Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 I've used dwarves in the beginning of Historica. They're actually on their way to reinforce Avalonian elves.
Maxim I Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Like Ska said, we have a very diverse looking army: the soldiers I used in "Changing Clothes" are in my eyes also very Kaliphlin looking (so the Crusaders & Black Falcon archers). I also have a neat army of Imperial Guards with an armada helmet on... Gabe for example uses the Black Falcon archers with an armada helmet on So you got a really big choice for us
Zilcho Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Are there any pictures of Dextruss Flagg other than in the first post of the Kaliphlin thread?
soccerkid6 Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I'm using the base I used for my castle for my second build as well and seeing it on my desk got me thinking: what do you normally use as the base for your MOCs? I normally use white 8x16 bricks as I have somewhere between 20-30 of them (I got them with a LEGO education gift card I got for winning a contest) and use plates to attach them to make a rectangle or square the size I want. They give a sturdy base that can be added to easily. Sometimes I use baseplates but prefer not to as normal plates can't be added on to enlarge them and baseplates are rather flimsy. In smaller builds plates can be used to make irregular bases but I don't like to do that with large MOCs. Thought this might make for an interesting discussion
NiceMarmot Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 what do you normally use as the base for your MOCs? I normally use white 8x16 bricks as I have somewhere between 20-30 of them (I got them with a LEGO education gift card I got for winning a contest) Those look really useful. I don't think I've ever seen them before. I will have to keep an eye out for them. They look pricey on BL, although maybe not given how big they are. Seems like the kind of thing you might run into at yard sales too. I usually use a bunch of randomly colored 2x8s and 2x10s in a grid, with plates over them. Sometimes I'll use baseplates, but you're right about their limitations. A few years ago I scored a bunch (>6) Ramses Pyramid games on super clearance, so I have must have 8 or more tan 32x32 baseplates, which helps. To be honest, the base of my MOCs is often a complete afterthought and I don't put as much into them as I should. I've been trying to ramp up my game in that area a bit, since so many people on this forum do really cool, good-looking bases. Of course, my latest MOC just uses 4 tan 32x32 baseplates, so perhaps I'm not making much progress
Kai NRG Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I use a base-plate most of the time (for anything bigger than a vig, that is). It may be a bit uncreative and it does have it's limitations, but it's also easier to remove pieces afterwards. I have used 6x12 dark tan plates several times as well though, since I have 6 of them and it's a pretty neutral color that works well for interiors (where a green base-plate would be completely out of place. Honestly I'm not much of a fan of irregular bases. It does look nice enough (as nice as any other kind of base), but I wouldn't want to spend the extra time and effort necessary to make one when I don't think it's any better than your average ordinary base-plate. DG did mention that sticking out rocks or what-have-you a stud from the base-plate makes it look more natural (as far as not having everything grow out of the green), but then of course you have to completely cover the base. I have done that since then though (but not in a GoH build). And I'm trying to use SNOT in some smaller vigs, but the main problem with that is that you have to attach the bottom of two bricks together - which depending on the space you have might not be very hard, but this last vig I did (I haven't uploaded it yet and it's not GoH) is just not attached. (May I remark in passing that wind is extremely, I mean extremely annoying when it comes to photographing an 8x8 with a lot of balance involved? Especially the kind of wind there is here, it practically lifted the entire thing up into the air...)
SkaForHire Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I am not the biggest fan of fancy bases... I like when you all take your time and make something look nice, but to me, I would not judge a MOC based on the base. That is why I rarely do anything about "pimping out" my bases, and I tend to stick to baseplates... Like NM, I got about 10 of those Ramses Pyramids when GoH started, I usually use those for Kaliphlin MOCs. The Battlefield for Queenscross is something like 20 baseplates right now.... I am trying to build hills, and in this aspect I can see why people go with taller blocks for bases.
kabel Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I sometimes use duplo bricks to create hight and then put the legos on top of it. The only problem: my kids are usually not amused when I "steal" their toys
Mike S Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I use baseplates for a base. I haven't ever found the need for a stronger base because I tend to make my builds strong enough on their own. Some of my more recent smaller MOCs bases are built entirely out of 2x2 L shape plates. The builds I am currently working on are using 32x32 baseplates which I think work best for modular builds. (All my current builds are modular and are designed to snap together. My own modular castle )
gedren_y Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I tend to use baseplates, but they often do need to be landscaped quite a bit. I have experimented with other base types, most recently with Weapons Enchantment. I didn't even use any kind of base for my entrance into GoH. Depending on what you want to achieve, baseplates can help or hinder you. If you do want to go the irregular base route, wedge plates are everywhere these days. Has anyone tried to make a base out of just octagonal plates?
Kayne Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Interesting topic....I usually use baseplates for my builds. In my last MOC the Tower of the Hand, I used 4 32x32 baseplates, but then put a layer of bricks around the edges and interior enough to put plates on top of it to get the color I want for the underlayer. When I do that, I usually put black slopes around the edges just to have a bit of a uniformity in presentation for the base. With the last MOC, the one brick plus a plate on top helped a lot to be able to do a gradient layer for the trans dark blue tiles I used for the water as well. I have thought in the past that maybe me laying baseplates and then putting plates over it is a waste, but the baseplates hooked together with a layer a brick higher seems to be pretty sturdy for moving the build around to photograph it, and so I just keep doing it!
Ecclesiastes Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Interesting topic.... Indeed! I use baseplates most of the time. Mostly 48 x 48, because that's my favorite size for building things. And when I need to elevate I use lbg 1x8 bricks. And for a base, just cheeseslopes. I love mocs with pretty bases, but I agree it's all(read 95%) about the moc that's on it!
Rogue Angel Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I think the base on a MOC can really make it pop! It is not necessary by any means, but it makes the MOC look more professional IMO. It does seem to be a lot more work than it should be though, from the few builds I've done it with. I have always used base plates, and utilized the big 16 x 8 green bricks for support higher up (roof support for removable layers, or the base at the top of a hollow mountain, etc.). The base Plates have always worked well, burlt now I'm trying to work on more grading with my builds since I think it adds a ton ( Buurli's recent LotR build for example). I recently did my first plate base build similar to what Legonardobhas been doing, and it worked out really well. I will be posting it soon.
NiceMarmot Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I sometimes use duplo bricks to create hight and then put the legos on top of it. The only problem: my kids are usually not amused when I "steal" their toys Wait until they outgrow the duplos and start using all your regular LEGO! Then you'll really have some problems.
Kai NRG Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I think the base on a MOC can really make it pop! It is not necessary by any means, but it makes the MOC look more professional IMO. It does seem to be a lot more work than it should be though, from the few builds I've done it with... I agree with that exactly, it's like the difference between hanging a picture on your wall all by itself and sticking it on inside a frame. The picture may be nice, but a frame does add to it! (Not to disagree with the others, the MOC itself is the biggest thing, and a good MOC doesn't need a superb border. In fact it's interesting to think about the difference: without a border you kind of imply continuity nature, non-man-made objects, basically the entire MOC just melts into a much broader scene. Maybe I'm reading to much into it, but it is one reason I chose not to put a border on my Through the Desert, for example.)
Rogue Angel Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I think extending your build off the plate so there is a non-linear edge serves the same purpose as a border. It creates the illusion that the build keeps going, and you just seeing a sample of it. Alternately, The border nicely ends the build.
Disco86 Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Do I need to sign up here to join Guilds of Historica ? Well then, Disco86 is signing up ! Is the 1st post actual and the Guild of Avalonia is closed ? Already tried to sign in there... don't want to change my guild :) Edited June 12, 2013 by Disco86
Infernum Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Well I'm pretty new to castle MOCing, but I use baseplates, but I usually raise them a brick or two.
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