Kayne Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 I sure hope so! One of my builds is a micro build. When I read through the rules it basically seemed as though we could build whatever we want as long as it fit the couple of requirements that they cannot exceed the stud count base of 48x48 or equivalent, and one must be an interior build. Beyond that, we seem to have a ton of creative license to do as we please.
PenPlays Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 I would like to make the point that I would love to incorporate Owlan into the final part of the story even in the case that I lose Ch VI. I would like to offer my character to anyone who would like to add him. He can be used as an unspoken background character, as long as he is present, and as long as he doesn't die. I will then incorporate the official MOC storyline into the Dawn of Ages. He only has to have the same head. He will "accept" any armor or weapons he is provided with. Thank you in advance to anyone willing to do this small task.
Captain BeerBeard Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I hope it's because we're all working on challenge six.
Niku Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I am working on it, but I can say that exams and projects are taking lot of time for commenting and connecting as much as I would like. At least I can build one day on the weekend. I am sure we shall see spectacular entries for this round. Greetings.
kabel Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I hope it's because we're all working on challenge six. true that, but waiting for brick orders to arrive is much easier to endure with some sort of trash talk going on around here ... i really hate staring at unfinished mocs
Gideon Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Well, we could always speculate in what is coming after challenge VI? Has there been any discussions as to how the GoH project should reinvent itself? I think it would be great if something could be done to make some of the people who were part of the start of GoH come back. Maybe do some more challenges on the scale of Challenge I which seems to have attracted a lot of people to produce entries.
kabel Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) Yeah, discussion the future sounds like a good idea. Builds on a smaller scale are definetely a good idea, but I doubt that this is what would get people back here. Personally I think a Historcia month or so could get more involved here again. What I have observed though is that Historica seems to attract caslte builders whereas the original Historic forum itself has turned into an almost purely LOTR forum. Somehow we should cash in on that. Edited March 7, 2013 by kabel
Brickington Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Perhaps their could be a challenge of rebuilding Historica after defeating Revolword. How about that?
Gideon Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 One thing that held me back a good deal at the start (and I suppose still does to some extent) is that it is quite hard to know what can be built, and even more what can be written about the builds, without going against established knowledge about the Historica world. The wiki is a great thing, but feels a bit underused. For example the article 'Drow' doesn't seem to exist and I had a hard time with a lot of digging in the threads to find out what it was. Maybe a good idea for a start of "volume II" or whatever happens after challenge VI would be to sum up the more important lines of what has happened during the first part of GoH. Some more information on the races and culture of Historica would also be a good aid when creating main/side characters and MOCs. The most obvious way as I see it would be to do it on the wiki, but some sticky threads as today would also work. Of course it doesn't have to be a perfect or in any way complete summary, isn't there always a lot of conflicting facts and gaps when studying history?
Brickington Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I wouldn't mind that idea, Gideon. If the heads of Historica don't have the time. I wouldn't mind helping out, as I will have a bunch of free time in late April/ early May.
NiceMarmot Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 One thing that held me back a good deal at the start (and I suppose still does to some extent) is that it is quite hard to know what can be built, and even more what can be written about the builds, without going against established knowledge about the Historica world. Hmm... that's good to know. Any other new GoH members want to chime in on what (if anything) held them back from committing to Historica? It's unfortunate too, because I think that in general you can build pretty much anything you want. You can probably write almost anything you want too -- I don't think anyone will care if you come up with an alternate history. And some things can be circumvented too -- want to make a build showing war between Nocturnus and Mitgardia? Fine, just make it historical -- it happened 100 years ago, not current day. The wiki is a great thing, but feels a bit underused. For example the article 'Drow' doesn't seem to exist and I had a hard time with a lot of digging in the threads to find out what it was. Maybe a good idea for a start of "volume II" or whatever happens after challenge VI would be to sum up the more important lines of what has happened during the first part of GoH. Some more information on the races and culture of Historica would also be a good aid when creating main/side characters and MOCs. The most obvious way as I see it would be to do it on the wiki, but some sticky threads as today would also work. Of course it doesn't have to be a perfect or in any way complete summary, isn't there always a lot of conflicting facts and gaps when studying history? Yes, very good idea. I was quite actively updating the wiki a while ago, but haven't done much on it recently. The nice thing about updating the wiki is that it can be done even when you don't have access to your bricks (such as while in the office ). I like the idea of having a wiki-updating push after the finish of challenge 6.
Kai NRG Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Good idea Gideon, though I do think that part of the idea was to leave it open - write whatever you want (within reason), because we aren't just developing the current state of Historica, but all it's past as well. Of course now that GoH has been around for a year now I guess? - there's a bit more already developed history, so a summary would be useful. I have been keeping the Character Locations and Facts up-to-date (except for me, I have too many characters! ), but of course that's a bit random, as each character only covers their own backstory. There is the general timeline of Historica, but that's not extremely detailed especially for the last couple hundred yrs.
Infernum Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I didn't even know about a wiki. Can someone give a link?
Rogue Angel Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 The guild history is open ended on purpose. You write the history for your personal territories and characters, but there are not overarcing story lines except for what is presented by the Guild Leaders in the challenge descriptions. This gives members the freedom to create whatever they want. There are also some basic histories for each guild on the first page of it's respective thread.
Kai NRG Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I didn't even know about a wiki. Can someone give a link? Here!
Gideon Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 The open ended nature is great with GoH, and I would prefer to keep it that way in the future as well. What I was thinking was that it's good when devising my own stories that I'm not contradicting what's already been built and accepted as some form of canon. Regardless of how much or little information we manage to put into the wiki I think it's great to have that as the canon of GoH so we can both use that to check for some form of coherence, and even more important as inspiration to build new innovative MOCs Great idea by the way to build in the past, I have been so absorbed by all the possibilities to build "in the present" and not really thought about that.
kabel Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I think the canon is what each guild has on its first page, and as long as the is being updated regularly, it should be enough of a frame to get building.
SkaForHire Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I agree that a general history of the Revolword War should be written after Challenge VI, I joked a long time ago that we would probably need a professional historian. (Don't look at me, I'm already writing too many real histories as it is.) But, a general Wiki push after challenge 6 would be good. Depending on how the official C6 version goes,that will set up the Historica: Book II period. I think there has been a few previous discussions on that new period, but like I said before, I don't think Challenge I of the new period should begin until at least October. Also, it seems that we may need a reorganization of the guilds and judges, including adding a guild helper to each guild to help with administration. Maybe in that manner we can get some more of the guild leaders to come back and participate more. I have too many tan bricks to quit Historica now.
Kai NRG Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 As long as we're speculating on Historica's future - well maybe (since the next big thing seems like it might be Sci-Fi) we'll get historica 10000 years in the future, and of course, everything Sci-Fi-y... Seriously though, I think there aren't that many of us that build for free-build points only (in general, it's either to advance your character's story so you can catch up to challenge VI, or - at least this is what I'm doing all the time - tying a build in with some other Challenge/contest/competition, or a combination of the two) - and if there weren't even free-build points offered, I would think that Historica would really get very few builds - what's the point of posting here as well as whatever else you're building for if you won't even get free build points? Personally, I'm not sure we should wait until October for the next thing (depending on how big of a thing you were thinking about, I guess). I really liked DC's idea of one person starting off the story, then leaving it for some one else - that sort of match-up idea really appeals to me, and I bet something like that would be fun to watch even if you didn't participate. And I think a few builder-to-builder face-offs would be cool too... As is there's no real rank system within the guilds. That has positives, of course, but I wonder what it would be like if we did have ranks? Just a bit of speculation...
soccerkid6 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I'm hoping there will be quite a few more minichallenges, I plan on hosting some myself Not sure how the leadership for the guilds will go (other than Mitgardia, we're set with Ecc at the helm). Will be interesting to see what changes
kabel Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 @kai: Actually I'd disagree with you about your first point. At least for myself I can say that I really don't care about free build points. I've build freebuilds because I wanted to do mediavel mocs. And when Historica started I was already on my way to shift my attention from pirates towards castle builds as it gave me more opportunities to be creative. And that's why I'm still here. I really like the athmosphere and the world all of us are creating more than any competition thing that is going on. For me this means I will continue building mediavel mocs and post them as Historica mocs. As for providing ranks, I'd agree though. Some of us have been around here since the beginning, contributed dozens of mocs (19 in my case) and helped to keep this whole thing alive for more than a year now. In other forums all you have to do is produce a mere LDD file in order to be awarded something. So maybe some sort of recognition would help to have people stick around for a little longer.
Kai NRG Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 @kai: Actually I'd disagree with you about your first point. At least for myself I can say that I really don't care about free build points. I've build freebuilds because I wanted to do mediavel mocs. And when Historica started I was already on my way to shift my attention from pirates towards castle builds as it gave me more opportunities to be creative. And that's why I'm still here. I really like the athmosphere and the world all of us are creating more than any competition thing that is going on. For me this means I will continue building mediavel mocs and post them as Historica mocs... Do you mean you'd disagree with it in respect to yourself, or, what I was trying to say, that I think the majority wouldn't build as much (or post their builds as much) if free-build points end? Of course I don't know everyone's motivation, and I'm sure there are some who build for GoH just because they like building castle and GoH offers a story-line, background, interested community, etc., but I know that for me at least, without free-build points I'd still build, but it wouldn't be the same, and I would say that that sort of build and post without helping much but your own skill (assuming you'll improve over time) isn't much of a motivation. It's sort of a chain reaction, as if enough people loose interest than the atmosphere you were referring to will pretty much vanish... not that I'm trying to say I'm that pessimistic about Historica's future!
Rogue Angel Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 I also disagree about free build points. I don't build for points, I build to create something I want to create. Free build points are a nice bonus, but not a motivation for me. I also would be opposed to ranks. I think that would make GoH less appealing to newcomers. Titles are what you can earn for recognition, although I wouldn't be opposed to providing a little weight to some of the titles.
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