Are you sick of Star Wars?

[KimT]

I'm no fan of the Clone Wars, but I think we'll have to either learn to accept the direction Lego Star Wars is taking or get off the train.

The Clone Wars is LEGO Star Wars today.

Tomorrow it might be something different - new TV show anyone?

We get the UCS as PT or OT sets and I think it'll be a while before we see any serious UCS sets from the Clone Wars.

Why? Because us Original Trilogy-fans are older and richer than most Clone Wars fans.

Most of the Clone Wars sets mean nothing to me, I never built the Venator, it was stripped of figs and then packed'n'bagged Same happens to a lot of the Clone Wars sets in my collection, the few Original Trilogy sets on the other hand are always built and put on display.

Plus I am no fan of characters. Don't get me wrong, I love Leia, Han, Chewie, Boba and the rest of the classic ones, but I dislike the whole idea of individual clones

Troopers are troopers and individual ones are no use in a large diorama

[Destroydacre]

I can't really say that I'm sick of the CW Legos per se. I pretty much ignore them, the main reason being the figures are just so hideous. IMO they look nothing like the cartoon characters who themselves are horrible renditions of real people. As for the cartoon, well I ignore that too. All the ret-cons and stuff they're throwing in seemingly out of nowhere just doesn't appeal to me so I don't watch it. For me it's like it never happened so it all works out. It's kind of disappointing that the CW sets are taking over and driving away the PT/OT sets (yes I do collect the PT sets). TBQH I'm really shocked that the CW sets sell so well, I never would have guessed that they'd be more popular than OT sets. But they must be right? Or else there would be more OT sets. But in the end for me I can't complain too much because each CW set that's made in lieu of a PT/OT set is money that is definitely staying in my pocket. I won't complain about spending less instead of more. When you think about the two movie trilogies, there really isn't that much left to make. Sure there's the odd set that they haven't made and there's a few more remakes a lot of people want, but really they've done quite a bit. And most of the remakes people want are sets that would be playsets, i.e.: Cantina, Cloud City, Jabba's Palace, etc, which all would be very big and very pricey to do a good job with. I'll never grow tired of Lego Star Wars as it pertains to the films and as long as they keep releasing a few sets per year and hopefully a nice big OT set every year I'll be happy. You have to keep in mind that Lego Star Wars never had to happen (and I think very few ever even envisioned it before it was announced) so I for one am very happy for what turned out to be a wonderful theme, which not only introduced loads of new elements, but also pioneered a new way of thinking for Lego designers and fans.

[XimenaPaulina]

I'm no fan of the Clone Wars, but I think we'll have to either learn to accept the direction Lego Star Wars is taking or get off the train.

The Clone Wars is LEGO Star Wars today.

Tomorrow it might be something different - new TV show anyone?

That's exactly my point. Assuming we're gonna see a new SW TV show in the near future, will the strictly-OT/-PT/-CW/-EU fans get stuck in their favorite genre? I can only speak for myself, and I refuse to get stuck on a particular saga of SW. I believe we should go with the flow, and just appreciate that our beloved Star Wars is still very well alive and not some 'dead meat rotting in the corner'.

[Bricks2000]

That's exactly my point. Assuming we're gonna see a new SW TV show in the near future, will the strictly-OT/-PT/-CW/-EU fans get stuck in their favorite genre? I can only speak for myself, and I refuse to get stuck on a particular saga of SW. I believe we should go with the flow, and just appreciate that our beloved Star Wars is still very well alive and not some 'dead meat rotting in the corner'.

I agree! Let's just appriciate lego for who they are!

[CommanderFox]

Why? Because us Original Trilogy-fans are older and richer than most Clone Wars fans.

Plus I am no fan of characters. Don't get me wrong, I love Leia, Han, Chewie, Boba and the rest of the classic ones, but I dislike the whole idea of individual clones

Troopers are troopers and individual ones are no use in a large diorama

You guys sure are!

Well Cody was released as a character before Cw, so do you dislike him?

I think it can be alittle to much sometimes seeing all these new people emerge from what we all just regarded as shinies, but then again, I do kinda like it. It definitely makes you more attached to them, and if they die, it makes you feel sadder for them.

Also as the series is designed for kids (as we all know), they need to put faces to these guys if they want stories about them, little 5-6 year olds won't understand what trooper so and so is doing or that he died unless they can see that that was cody that died (eg only) or whatever.

I think some individual troopers are cool in dio's (then they can lead the regular troopers), but agreed, if we where over run with a ton of different troopers, it would be pointless, it defies the term clone.

Just my 4 cents.

That's exactly my point. Assuming we're gonna see a new SW TV show in the near future, will the strictly-OT/-PT/-CW/-EU fans get stuck in their favorite genre? I can only speak for myself, and I refuse to get stuck on a particular saga of SW. I believe we should go with the flow, and just appreciate that our beloved Star Wars is still very well alive and not some 'dead meat rotting in the corner'.

Exactly.

CF

Edited November 27, 2010 by CommanderFox

[Supersonic]

As long as TCW are airing, we will get new LSW sets. I'm not so sure TLG would continue the theme with the last SW movie 5 years ago. Without the Clone Wars, fewer kids would know about SW, fewer kids would be interested in buying LSW, and TLG might decide to put the line to an end. I still hope that stupid TCW sets like the freeco speeder or the Halo sell badly and TLG will stop releasing such narrow sets, but at least LSW is still prospering.

We should be happy that we still get Lego sets about some 30-year old movies, not just PT and TCW.

BTW, I'm confident that with the 3-d versions of the movies scheduled to be in theatres from 2012 on we will see waves with more sets from the movies. Ep. IV is set for 2015, just be patient ;)

[Mr Man]

Well Cody was released as a character before Cw, so do you dislike him?

He wasn't the yellow clone in the battlepack and the CTT was Bly or just a normal Star Corps Trooper

On topic yes I hate the CW sets as much as most people. Like KimT I object to characters, when army's are so much better. The OT sets only had a few main characters, The PM sets had lose but there was no real army in that film other than the droids, but the other PT sets had lots of generic soldiers in.

[Praiter Yed]

I'm not really a fan of TCW, I probably would be if it'd continued with the beautiful animation style introduced by Genndy Tartakovsky but in it's current CGI form I find it totally soulless. BUT my daughter LOVES the Clone Wars (she likes Binks & Ahsoka but doesn't like it when Anakin & Padme kiss ) and won't watch the films at all! TCW is definitely THE THING for kids and ultimately as Lego is a kids toy that's where sales will be largest.

Even if we get only one GOOD QUALITY OT release per year that'd keep me happy. I like collecting sets but as an AFOL I prefer to build my own, the more OT sets TLG release the less money I have to spend on BL or Ebay!

So I'm not sick of Star Wars or Lego Star Wars, I'm happy that both continue in new forms for younger generations albeit in forms I'm not overly keen on myself.

And who knows, when the CW live action series finally arrives, TCW doubters might end-up wishing for it's return. Young Indiana Jones Chronicles anyone?

Edited November 27, 2010 by Praiter Yed

[Flare]

I'm not sick of Clone Wars, but I think it degrades the quality of the movies. I'd rather see more PT/OT sets than CW, but as others have said thats what the kids like. Oh well.

[KimT]

I'm not sick of Clone Wars, but I think it degrades the quality of the movies. I'd rather see more PT/OT sets than CW, but as others have said thats what the kids like. Oh well.

How does it degrade the quality of the movies?

[TheBrickHitHouse]

Oh isn't it awful that we get a constant stream of new star wars sets...

Who cares if the CW show is rubbish - does that make a vehicle designed for it a worse design?

No one forces u to buy this stuff and most of you aren't 18 anyway and shouldn't even be here to complain!

Pick and chose the sets u like - if only 1 in 10 meets ur fancy, well - that's one more than u would have got if the line was stopped

Crying away that u only by OT sets, oh what a purist. Can't wait to see your faces when someone finally reveals to you these are children's toys!

Me, I love a great design. I have no idea what a bomb squad trooper is or who Luminara is, I haven't seen a CW ep in 12 months - but a good design, a cool looking craft, I'll buy it even if its an affront to continuity!

[KimT]

Slow down.

We're trying to keep this argumentative and friendly.

Please refrain from being rude and semi-trollish.

Thanks.

[Anio]

Haha.

The problem is that most of the CW ships and vehicles do not have a good design.

Not because these ships or vehicles aren't well reproduced with bricks.

But because the first models done by the designers of Lucas Arts are very ugly.

So, whatever a Lego designer is good or not, the final Lego model will be ugly (7930, 7931, etc...)

And some time, even with a great model, the Lego set is horrible. Best example : 8039.

And the fact that we see more and more reedition of past models (turbo tank, slave, and many other models) is also a clear proof that the Lego Star Wars line is slowing down.

If TLG's motto is "Only the best is good enough",

It is certain that this motto became "Only the money is good enough" with the current Star Wars line.

[Delta 38]

Gasp, front-paged. I feel the need to reply.

I'm not sick of any subthemes of Star Wars, particularly not the Clone Wars. No matter how redundant they seem, more Clones are great.

I also definitely need more sets in general as I've only started major collecting around two or three years ago. One thing I don't like, though, is the strange randomised set orders of some waves. It might be nice to have a Clone Wars/prequel trilogy wave and an original trilogy wave. That way, sets are less scrambled and both sides should hopefully be happy. For the moment, though, I'm fine with the Clone Wars dominant sets.

[joelego]

How does it degrade the quality of the movies?

I feel lucas did us a great disservice with the opening battle in ROTS

then proclaiming that the clone wars are near the end 20 min into the movie

after ending the attack of the clones movie in such a great way it was a complete

let down to span the clone war period with a final battle in the opening scene of ROTS

I believe the lucas clonewars cartoon is nothing more than a merchandising boon

all the figs are great the sets are not so great

having a majic time machine that lucas likes to use is a joke ,,for example durge

is now cad bane I cannot wait to see how he makes major changes to the classic

figures to continue his galactic time line that seems to always come up with a

need to have figure look at savage maul guy he is only there to sell toys not

to add to the clonewars

I expect to hear negative replys for my post so please have it at guys

[def]

The problem is that most of the CW ships and vehicles do not have a good design.

Not because these ships or vehicles aren't well reproduced with bricks.

But because the first models done by the designers of Lucas Arts are very ugly.

So, whatever a Lego designer is good or not, the final Lego model will be ugly (7930, 7931, etc...)

And some time, even with a great model, the Lego set is horrible. Best example : 8039.

I couldn't disagree more. The bounty hunter gunship and T-6 shuttle look fine, and I haven't held the LEGO counter-parts in my hand to hold anything against them. I'm cutting back on LEGO and specifically SW LEGO, but I'd like to get them both.

The main thing I hold against CW ship design is that they are new. All the OT ships came out before I was eight years old, so they will always be iconic. But CW ships were all designed after I was 20, so they'll never have the weight the original ships do. But, I think the designers are doing a good job.

And the fact that we see more and more reedition of past models (turbo tank, slave, and many other models) is also a clear proof that the Lego Star Wars line is slowing down.

If TLG's motto is "Only the best is good enough",

It is certain that this motto became "Only the money is good enough" with the current Star Wars line.

The remakes are occurring faster. I'm really surprised that the Sith Infiltrator is being remade in 2011, and I'm glad, because I was tempted to buy the 2007 version. But, like the Slave I redo this year which I'd thought would happen in 2016, it is a matter of business. If the set is a fan favorite, like the Falcon and the X-Wing, it should always have a version on the market. (the Sith Infiltrator is a debatable fan favorite; more like Darth Maul is)

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Kim T has stated that he buys every SW LEGO set as a matter of habit, but I was quite liberated by not buying everything. I think I got every 2008 set but Count Dooku's over-priced space egg knocked that habit out of me. This year, I got the battle packs, the Freeco, and the pirate tank (2009?)... I don't remember, but I pick and choose, and it keeps the series a bit more exciting.

This year, the only frustration is the Turbo Tank. I'd like to get the Turbo Tank, but the price is too much for the sparse set, and Aayla Secura is already more than $20 as a minifig. I'm going to hold out for a magnet set, or a cheaper set next year.

The only way to get sick of Star Wars is to be too obsessed with it in the first place

[Fistach]

I'm also sick of these tonnes of new types of clones, droids etc. I also hate the idea of having 10 luke skywalkers - I generally hate licensed products - once for their high - TOO HIGH - prices, secondly for personalized minifigs. I would prefer sets to be sold separately without minifigs and that you could buy minifigs as impulse sets. It would stop the uber-high prices of minifigs on Bricklink and personally I think lego could have made much more money this way.

[KimT]

Wow, thanks for the rant.

We are looking for something less aggressive and less hateful towards license and especially Star Wars.

This isn't meant as a topic for flaming Star Wars, it's a discussion for those of us that actually like LEGO Star Wars.

The idea is to discuss the direction of the LEGO Star Wars theme in general and wether or not we like it.

Not to flame prices and such.

10 Lukeys?! Why or how would such a thing happen in 2010 unless you buy multiples of Luke's Landspeeder?

[Fistach]

Wow, thanks for the rant.

We are looking for something less aggressive and less hateful towards license and especially Star Wars.

This isn't meant as a topic for flaming Star Wars, it's a discussion for those of us that actually like LEGO Star Wars.

The idea is to discuss the direction of the LEGO Star Wars theme in general and wether or not we like it.

Not to flame prices and such.

10 Lukeys?! Why or how would such a thing happen in 2010 unless you buy multiples of Luke's Landspeeder?

But I like Lego star wars - I really do!

All I tried to say is that it goes bad direction.

How can I not to blame prices? They are far too high! Especially here in Poland. You pay 0,5 PLN ~0,17 $USD for a piece - or even more. In normal sets it's 50% cheaper.

About Lukeys: I was speaking in general - not if someone just starts collecting SW sets.

Here are all (i think) the Luke's you could get: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=luke&catLike=W&v=2 22 ! LOL - it's a shame for me.

[Stegoceras]

To be honest, I love it all. I don't matter whether it's OT/PT/EU or CW.

I hope TLG continues their Star Wars line for years to come and hopefully they will hop on the live-action-series-train as well.

I'd love to see TLG doing some more EU sets, but I know that isn't going to happen because the market is too small. Maybe if 'The Old Republic' becomes a great success we might see some EU sets, heh, can only hope.

Enough?!?.... Never,... keep it coming TLG!

[Navy Trooper Fenson]

And most of the remakes people want are sets that would be playsets, i.e.: Cantina, Cloud City, Jabba's Palace, etc, which all would be very big and very pricey to do a good job with.

But LEGO obviously did an undescribable awesome job with 10188 Death Star. LEGo completely ignores the possibilities of such great playsets with scenery and buildings. Always starships, speeders, tanks, artillery, it is always one of those. Did a playset kill Christiansens father or something? Aforementioned sets like Cantina and Cloud City would be great to release instead of the thrid Slave One or AT-AT or even a recolour two-pack of two TCW sets that aren´t even out of stores yet! Playsets would also be a possibility for TCW. The Seven Samurai episode had a great battle around the farmers village and people love the bounty hunters of that episode, Embo and Sugii, so what doeas LEGO do? They take the ship of the two that was only on screen for like 5 seconds and just stood in a barn DOING NOTHING. Halo has no play value for kids, it looks like a boring space dumpster and is not worth for salvage. WHY does LEGO think this garbage ship is more popular than a playset where kids could play this fight scene and adults could recreate a diorama?

It would be pricey to do a good job with such scenes but then, why not just cancel huge sets like Venator and the monstrosity of AT-OT & Laat/c that only die hard collectors would buy and children can not even afford? Why are the places for masterpieces always used for inferior realisations of ships only a fringe group gives a crap for?

Who cares if the CW show is rubbish - does that make a vehicle designed for it a worse design?

Pick and chose the sets u like - if only 1 in 10 meets ur fancy, well - that's one more than u would have got if the line was stopped

Me, I love a great design. I have no idea what a bomb squad trooper is or who Luminara is, I haven't seen a CW ep in 12 months - but a good design, a cool looking craft, I'll buy it even if its an affront to continuity!

Story and visual design are two different things, exactly my opinions too, but the show doesn´t even give us interesting designs and LEGO just takes them and runs them through a brick wall before selling it (Halo, Twilight, 4 JSFs) or when there is a model that I would like to have (Awesome Shuttle) they ignore it and release three other ships with the same function.

The newest wave is just a complete failure except for the new figures. Death Watch and new Clone variations (dark green corp troopers, finally my favourite color), the T-6 Shuttle Jedi, Aurra and metallic R2 are unbelievable good designed but Halo and T-6 Ufo are weak designs, Droid carrier again has the falsest colour scheme possible with a battlepack-worthy design, while the battlepacks finally look descent and V-Wing is average.

I just hope that LEGO finally comes to its senses and releases more playset like sceneries. If not, then not. I just have to live with the way things are now and only figures work too. Building scenery for one self is cheaper, anyway...

Edited November 28, 2010 by Navy Trooper Fenson
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[StoutFiles]

I'm sick of Lucas continuing to whore out the franchise, but it gets me OT sets so I just ignore everything CW.

[mahon881]

First off,if there was going to be a new star wars t.v. show,I would want it to be about the time between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope seeing how luke and patma grow up, and how the empire grow/how the Republic has deminished.Also,a little bit more desribing how the whole world of star wars turned up-side down even though the story line would have that much to it

Also,even though I have seen all the star wars movies,what does the EU time mean?

[erik530195]

I agree on several points, mostly being the Fleshies and the rehashes. But what I would LOVE (and think we'll see) is an expanse into the EU vehicles and story. With the introduction of the new TV series, a wealth of new ships (and actual sets) will be prime for turning into those loveable bricks. There are also so many more places TLG can (and will eventually) explore, such as playsets of Mos Espa, Hoth, Dagobah. A playset of the Tantive IV, maybe even the Death Star! I think what happened was that you relived the glory days of star wars that you remember from being a child, and were overwhelmed with nostalgia in the first wave, however the PT sets, while fun, were somewhat less special to you. Then you got nothing but some rehashes, but look at it this way. We're demanding playsets more and more, instead of just vehicles. Slowly but surely they're listening to us, and I feel that in the upcoming years you will see a move in the direction of new sets. I mean there aren't many more sets that they CAN remake :-P

Agreeed,The remakes need to stop! OK, so the ATTE and RA Gunship were remakes,(and they were great sets) but if they would release a few more sets like the battle of endor... I think the problem is they are ignoring the prequel trilogy, and focusing on the OT and clone wars. The clone wars are a buursting potential for playsets and ships! If they would only get over the fact that "they left out a detail on the xwing" or "its ok, we can throw in another minifig for $10" they'll start making some real money. (out of breath face)

[Tohst]

I love these topics and the chance to hear what others think about the general direction of sets as well as throw my own 3 cents in (longer post than 2 cents)

Star Wars vs. General Space sets:

I think the Lego set designers do a better job translating ships than designing them completely from scratch. It makes sense because the designers at Lucas are professional spaceship designers, not set designers who happen to be doing spaceships. Overall, this is a plus for all licensed sets.

I think it also stretches the set designer abilities giving us more interesting builds than we'd get otherwise and even new pieces that we'd otherwise not get.

And let's be honest, when Star Wars sets came on the scene, the space sets had stagnated.

So, let's keep Star Wars going. As long as we can keep series like Space Police III coming in tandem. General space gives us more colors of newer pieces. I mean, how sick am I of trans-smoke windscreens and grey/dark grey ships.

Pricing. Lego pricing is getting worse because they've discovered that as a luxury item they're actually selling more at a higher price point. Econ 101 students are scratching their heads wondering how that works. Econ 301 students are nodding and smiling. Econ professors are shaking their fists saying my understanding is facile and I need to understand 147 more points before I can make sweeping generalizations like that.

But I think we can agree pricing is getting worse (from our standpoint) and Star Wars Lego is the worst of the worst. The value we are getting per set is dropping rapidly. I don't think this will change anytime soon but as a direction, I wonder where it will get to the point where parents will just go the Hasbro route because even though their kids love Lego, for the price of that Lego ship Hasbro gives them 2 ships and 4 figures...figures they get to pick out individually from a huge selection!

OT vs. PT/Clone Wars.

My preference is OT ships. They were bulky and looked functional even when completely impratical. But we really are at a point where the OT ships have been done. Most of the PT ships have been done. And while the CW ships aren't as fully realized as the movie ships, they're something different with, as mentioned above, interesting builds and new pieces so I can live with them.

Plus, the current Lucasfilm push is Clone Wars so Lego needs to align. Thats the new product now and with the 3D movies starting with episode 1, we'll be in a CW/PT cycle for 4 -5 more years and then we'll get a new x-wing when 4 comes to the theaters again. And a new AT-AT after the 3D goodness of those massive things coming out of the screen to crush you is realized.

Now, the clone wars styling of the figures. Creepy Anakin is Creepy. Powerpuff girl Obi-wan is creepy. Yoda....is just weird. I'd like non-cartoony versions but thats the direction of things for the next couple years. This too will pass.

So, the direction is not one I'm wildly enthusiastic about, it is one that will produce new ships with new pieces that I want to get. While I may like the OT more, I'm not sure focusing on sets for them would give me a better selection of pieces at this point. And I need non licensed space sets like SPIII in the mix to keep me happy. I'd rather kill Star Wars and keep space than the other way around at this point. And maybe...maybe one day I'll get around to making all those spaceships ni my mind from the pieces.

-Tohst.