Peanuts Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 I had decide that Cat wasn't scum, so hence why I voted for Croc. Yeah, but why split up the vote even further when it was pretty clear it would end up between Catwoman and the Riddler? That's indeed not really in the interest of the town, you know. But still, I approve of people having their own opinions and being flexible, otherwise the Riddler would be dead by today and the Cat would bbe alive. Your move seems strange, but not necessarily scummy. I'll keep thinking about that.
Tamamono Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 The timing of his Unvote makes me think that he's just, as you say, following the herd. The Vote for Croc makes me think that he was trying to sow confusion and make people think about a suspect other than Catwoman, whom we now know was Scum. I can think of a reason why a Scum would want to Unvote Riddler at that point, (to make himself look like Town) but I can't think of a reason a Townie would vote for Croc at that point other than just to follow Baby Doll around, unless he was really confused. (or both, perhaps) Egg-zactly! No scum would keep their vote on Riddler after he had claimed investigator, so it makes perfect sense that he would want to unvote Riddler at that point. However, that scum would then have a tough decision ahead of him: does he bus his partner and strengthen her bandwagon even more, or does he vote for someone else in an attempt to save her? The former is the safest option, but it does put yet another nail into the coffin of one of his teammates. The latter, on the other hand, makes it possible for her to live to see another Day, but it's with a doubt the riskier option. In his initial vote for Nygma, Bane said: We should try to work together, so I will Vote: The Riddler (sok117) Because it will avoid penalty votes for everyone. Here he says that he's voting for Riddler so that everyone could 'work together' (and the issue of whether he's guilty or not never comes up), but he later refuses to vote for Catwoman because he's not convinced of her guilt. This is a massive scum tell here. If nothing better presents itself, I think we should seriously consider lynching Bane today. Honestly, the only thing that keeps me from being entirely sure that he's an agent is the fact that Catwoman actually addressed his post and told him to hop on her bandwagon (although that may have been the purpose of her post).
K-Nut Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 Hoorah! We got an agent! And thank god it was her! I couldn't stand another day of her googlin' over the Bat. Freeze has a point about Ra's, actions seem to be connected to us. If Doll isn't proven town today, then I think we know who to vote for.
Brickdoctor Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 In his initial vote for Nygma, Bane said: ... Here he says that he's voting for Riddler so that everyone could 'work together' (and the issue of whether he's guilty or not never comes up), but he later refuses to vote for Catwoman because he's not convinced of her guilt. This is a massive scum tell here. I hadn't noticed that one. Good catch. In my mind, that seems like he's trying to state reasons to justify his votes that make it seem like he has the good of all Townies in mind, but he's doing it inconsistently, which makes me think that he's thinking up those reasons on the spot instead of approaching the entire Day with an actual, definite pro-Town goal, purpose, and motive. Like he's deciding who to vote for first, and then thinking up a seemingly pro-Town reason for it afterwards. And if that's the case, I think he must have a true reason for his vote that he doesn't want us to know about.
sok117 Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 Hmm, seems like asking questions yesterday wasn't such a bad idea after all? No role confirmation for Babydoll, if she is scum, then all of you who brought information to her might be kicking yourself in the butt right now. Unfortunately my night wasn't as successful as I would have like it to be, it seems as though I was blocked by a no good undercover agent. I'm very pleased with the work the creeper has put in, his inside knowledge of scum tactics has proved most beneficial for us! Now we just gotta hope he's not converted. Lots of things to discuss, next on the list is banes possible allegiance, his points do seem contradictory, however I don't know if thats enough to implicate him. I think Poison Ivy's got more of a target on her head for directly confronting the Creeper the other day.
Professor Flitwick Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 Seeing as were putting our suspects on the table, we have one. Killa Croc! Dependin' on whetha or nawt da Joka/Penguin comes out 'n says if Baby Dolls an honest criminal, or an undacova agent, den we believe he should be unda suspision! Baby Doll tried to form a lynch against the Riddler, not long after a few people (though, admittedly she briefly did too, and changed to the Mad Hatter) went to vote for him. It seems she unwittingly stumbled onto the investigator, and may have been forced to change to try and avoid suspicion during the end of the day. Of course, if eitha da Joka or da Penguin make Baby Dolls promise come true, den dis is all nul an void, but until den...
Oky Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 It's not time to celebrate yet. We still have an unknown amount of agents to get rid of before we're home free. I'm not sure what to say at this point, I'll observe for now. Perhaps, but it is time to start thinking about who else might be scum, and just sitting back and letting a badwagon develop for you to hop on (which you have been doing until now) isn't very helpful. In fact, it seems quite scummy to me, so watch it, buddy. You're on thin ice.
sok117 Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Perhaps, but it is time to start thinking about who else might be scum, and just sitting back and letting a badwagon develop for you to hop on (which you have been doing until now) isn't very helpful. In fact, it seems quite scummy to me, so watch it, buddy. You're on thin ice. Not to be rude, but I don't think your in any place to be telling people what is and isn't helpful
Oky Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 I may not have said much, but at least I am trying to be of some help. Yesterday, Calendar Man simply made some of his typical remarks about time, jumped on the bandwagon against you, and finally jumped on the Catwoman bandwagon, all without adding anything to the discussion. I, on the other hand, didn't vote for Catwoman as I was not completely convinced by the evidence against her and went with my own instinct instead. And I am still suspicious of Killer Croc. I'm not really buying his story.
WhiteFang Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 *crack myself left & right* I am back in full swing! Like I mentioned before, I got radio telecommunication problem and now it will not come back again to haunt me! Speaking of which, I totally missed out the fun stuff that happens and I did manage to summarise the story of Day 1. It was such a long thread to even skim through! I applaud for the effort that in Day 1, we had miraculously nailed our very first undercover agent! It's amazing and we got an extremely good headstart! However, I am worried more of other stuff! As some of you have also mentioned before, I will like to emphasis them again! Last night was very very interesting... Ra’s Al Ghul was dead and yet no form of weapons is found or seen? Merely a push by the mystery vigilante? Am I reading in too deep or is there something fishy out there? Personally, I felt it might be some sort of foul play of indirect killing. Normally, whenever there is a killing, there is ought to be presence of weapons in most cases to classify the possible kind of alignments that we can categorise. In Ra’s Al Ghul's case, there was none... This point can only be proven until tomorrow. Most importantly, to add on to our woes, one of the undercover agent has deployed their "janitor" action to clean up the alignment which means we won't know for sure if Ra’s Al Ghul is an undercover agent or a criminal like any of us here? I am not sure how the janitor action can actually works and if they can be targeted on anyone they like or the undercover vigilante works together to confuse us further, by using Ra’s Al Ghul's death as a coverup. What worries me the most, apart from this 2 known scenes, we have not seen any other kind of happenings and this probably had triggered lots of other behind the scenes! It's up to us to collate and share! Remember in this game of life, it's the undercover agents who have well-coordinated intels, whereas criminals like us only act on our own in the past and this is the time that we can put our petty little squabble aside and concentrate on narrowing those idiots.
Capt. Redblade Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Sorry I'm late, ladies and gentlemen. I was doing my vocal warmups and lost track of time. So, I understand we've found our first traitor, eh? Well, good riddance, Selina! And I'm glad the Riddler is still alive and kicking. We're hitting the high notes today, people!
Mrlegoninja Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Wow, nice jobs you guys! I wished I would've signed on earlier woken up from my sleep to change my vote. I really owe you an apology, Riddler.
sok117 Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 [color="#4B0082" And I'm glad the Riddler is still alive and kicking. We're hitting the high notes today, people![/color] I'm glad you share in my happiness as well my musical moron! (joking) It'll be interesting to see how many more of those jokes I can make. On to more important news, it's good to see Clayface hasn't aired out on us. He shares some good points on the mysterious Ra's, however, if I know a thing or two about the demons head, and I do. I think his allegiance not being reveled has nothing to do with the acts of another person. Ra's is a mysterious immortal, I could see him drying off from another Lazarus bath half way across the world by now.
WhiteFang Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 On to more important news, it's good to see Clayface hasn't aired out on us. He shares some good points on the mysterious Ra's, however, if I know a thing or two about the demons head, and I do. I think his allegiance not being reveled has nothing to do with the acts of another person. Ra's is a mysterious immortal, I could see him drying off from another Lazarus bath half way across the world by now. Hmm, I find your assumption to be rather bold. OK, I may not know Ra’s Al Ghul that "well", but if he is truly "immortal" by nature, then by definition, no amount of night actions can harm our dear Ra’s Al Ghul and only the day thread via conviction can nails him down. Your point stands, but I will think and logically concluded that there is a janitor out there messing with the death alignments.
def Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 (The Creeper jumps up on stage, and faces the right) Thanks so much Mr. Creeper, you sure did do a bang up job yesterday! Without you, this whole gang of criminals would be eating themselves up whole! (Faces the left) Oh, don't mention it. It was simply something as simple as little thing called "following through" I maintain, over and over again, active townies criminals make for dead scum agents. Catwoman tried to be active, and she gave herself away! Honestly, she reached out to me, and, thinking I might help her case, she told me she was Independent. Naive, innocent that I am, I believed her! But, all her behavior was textbook scum, so I should have stuck with that hypothesis. Oh, look what I found! It's unfortunate that the Riddler was blocked last night, but consider the alternative; he would be dead, someone else would be blocked, and Catwoman would have used a thieving ability on somebody. Hopefully at this point, town knows that I am the only clear member, so those with very helpful to town abilities, please coordinate with me. I think the Riddler is safe, and I assume Babydoll is safe too, but they are not clear. The vote yesterday can tell us something. Those who kept voting Riddler after Catwoman came up... Ra's is an example of this. I have the feeling he was Joker-killed for not being around. In fact, not only is his body gone, but his signature and avatar too! The first people to vote for Catwoman are in my good books too: Egghead, Ivy, and the Music Meister. At that point, there was no incentive to change the vote, but thanks to them, things started rolling the way they did. They could be super-sly agents who made a smart plan to get in there early just in case, but we can see that without their votes for Catwoman, Riddler would have been toast! Thanks, guys! Maybe we can even put Croc and The Mad Hatter on that list too! After that, it gets a lot sketchier to rely on. Bane is looking quite scummy. For the reasons others have stated, plus this: http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=62185&view=findpost&p=1117629 Critiquing Babydoll for voting Killer Croc... Before he did so himself. Seeing as were putting our suspects on the table, we have one. Killa Croc! Dependin' on whetha or nawt da Joka/Penguin comes out 'n says if Baby Dolls an honest criminal, or an undacova agent, den we believe he should be unda suspision! Baby Doll tried to form a lynch against the Riddler, not long after a few people (though, admittedly she briefly did too, and changed to the Mad Hatter) went to vote for him. It seems she unwittingly stumbled onto the investigator, and may have been forced to change to try and avoid suspicion during the end of the day. Of course, if eitha da Joka or da Penguin make Baby Dolls promise come true, den dis is all nul an void, but until den... Funny you would say that Ventriloquist. When the vote was on the fence, and it still looked like Riddler was going to get it, I saw you listening to the conversation. You, a normally outspoken chap, were awfully quiet. Then, hours later, when the Catwoman's fate was sealed, you got in on that vote. What was that you were saying about being forced to change to try and avoid suspicion? Lots of things to discuss, next on the list is banes possible allegiance, his points do seem contradictory, however I don't know if thats enough to implicate him. I think Poison Ivy's got more of a target on her head for directly confronting the Creeper the other day. Well, day one, it's legitimate to accuse anyone, even someone as clearly working for town as myself. So that isn't a problem. Wanting to lynch me day two? That would raise suspicions. Plus, she was an early Catwoman voter, and I don't think she voted for her simply out of jealousy for that lithe, leather wrapped body The Creeper's current scum list is currently at two: 1. Bane 2. The Ventriliquist I know there are more, and we'll have to look at yesterday's record carefully
sok117 Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Hmm, I find your assumption to be rather bold. OK, I may not know Ra’s Al Ghul that "well", but if he is truly "immortal" by nature, then by definition, no amount of night actions can harm our dear Ra’s Al Ghul and only the day thread via conviction can nails him down. Your point stands, but I will think and logically concluded that there is a janitor out there messing with the death alignments. Yeah, I guess if you don't "know" Ra's, then it can come off that way. The possibility of a Janitor is weird, if we are to believe that Ra's was killed by a serial killer, then the janitor picking that same person (who I might add did next to nothing in the say thread) is very coincidental. So the alternative would be Ra's getting killed by scum, and the janitor cleaning up afterwards? Do you guys think it's possible that the serial killer also could have removed the identity from the deceased?
WhiteFang Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 The vote yesterday can tell us something. Those who kept voting Riddler after Catwoman came up... Ra's is an example of this. I have the feeling he was Joker-killed for not being around. In fact, not only is his body gone, but his signature and avatar too! "If" Ra’s Al Ghul was killed by the Joker (mod-killed), it could have stated in the opening scene in Day 2. I just find it peculiar if Joker had the intention to hid this simple fact from us.
Nightshroud99 Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 "If" Ra’s Al Ghul was killed by the Joker (mod-killed), it could have stated in the opening scene in Day 2. I just find it peculiar if Joker had the intention to hid this simple fact from us. The Joker IS crazy... It could just be how he is doing things in this game operation.
XimenaPaulina Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 So, Baby Doll, any idea when Da Joka's gonna tell us when your a townie? Unfortunately I don't know what happened, I'm guessing I was most probably blocked last night to make me look like I was a liar. I still have to confirm with our gracious hosts The Joker and The Penguin about this matter, because I was never told I was blocked. From what I've seen in other movies, normally the hosts tell whether one's action was successful or not, but this time in my case I don't know why there was no such confirmation from the hosts. But there might be still the possibility that they will reveal my allegiance within the day? I don't know, that's why I have to ask them. I'll get back to all of you after I've talked to them. And since I've already used that ability, I'll come clean to the true nature of it. It was a skill of mine, which gives me the option to reveal my true allegiance (criminal) on the second day. Obviously I could only use that on Night 1, which I did. My only mistake was I mistook it as unblockable before I made my public revelation, since I thought it was not a "physical action" like kill, watch/track, investigate, protect that can be physically blocked. The Joker confirmed this to me, and it was already late since I've already made public revelation. But still, I stand by what I did since my only interest was to "maximize" that ability to the full extent, that is rallying the criminals as early as possible without waiting for another day. Now if you'll excuse I still have to talk to The Joker to clarify this matter. Promise, I'll get back to all of you later.
WhiteFang Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Yeah, I guess if you don't "know" Ra's, then it can come off that way. The possibility of a Janitor is weird, if we are to believe that Ra's was killed by a serial killer, then the janitor picking that same person (who I might add did next to nothing in the say thread) is very coincidental. So the alternative would be Ra's getting killed by scum, and the janitor cleaning up afterwards? Do you guys think it's possible that the serial killer also could have removed the identity from the deceased? It's not weird at all... Let me clarify and I do think it works in this manner under that kind of scummy settings, The undercover agents work as a team. They are able to coordinate their night actions together and submit to the "God" for execution. The scum vigilante can choose to target Ra’s Al Ghul and to make things worse, one of their teammates who have the janitor action will also mess up the Ra’s Al Ghul's alignment when it's revealed in Day 2 and that's how the cleaning up process works. NO, serial killer's job is to kill people regardless of who and he/she normally acts alone!
K-Nut Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 It's unfortunate that the Riddler was blocked last night, but consider the alternative; he would be dead, someone else would be blocked, and Catwoman would have used a thieving ability on somebody. Well what do you expect? Somebody comes out and says "Hey, I'm the investigator!" and scum will just let him investigate? I myself, prefer that over death, though. I just want to know why he aint dead? Usually if the scum found out who the investigator was, they'd try and kill him right away, unless they assumed he'd be protected. I assumed that's what happened today, unless he's scum of course. On the subject of the action of Ra's, I doubt that God would let him die every night, therefore even if he was convicted he probably wouldn't be hurt, therefore surviving until the end of time. If he does come back, I believe it'll only be once.
sok117 Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 I think the Creeper brings up some fantastically well thought out points. The cases against Bane and the Ventriloquist are slowly growing stronger. Right now I'm inclined to want to vote for the latter, he set off alarms for me on day one when he started with his numbers, then he started acting passive, but the whole listening in to the conversation with catwoman then jumping on the bandwagon last second really sells it for me. I also think that if Ra's was mod-killed there would be no hush hush about it, just a plain as day execution. I'm gonna stand by my original assumption. Also, the only thing I've learned about Babydoll regarding her alliance, is that shes clearly toting around a gun in the group photo. I wonder why we havn't heard anything about it yet, I saw her listening in already.
XimenaPaulina Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Also, the only thing I've learned about Babydoll regarding her alliance, is that shes clearly toting around a gun in the group photo. I wonder why we havn't heard anything about it yet, I saw her listening in already. Pls. forgive the doll for typing speaking so slow. I already stated my explanation. Thanks.
sok117 Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Pls. forgive the doll for typing speaking so slow. I already stated my explanation. Thanks. And it is duely noted! I apologize, but it seems in my time to vocalize that you already had an answer
Brickdoctor Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Yeah, I guess if you don't "know" Ra's, then it can come off that way. The possibility of a Janitor is weird, if we are to believe that Ra's was killed by a serial killer, then the janitor picking that same person (who I might add did next to nothing in the say thread) is very coincidental. So the alternative would be Ra's getting killed by scum, and the janitor cleaning up afterwards? Do you guys think it's possible that the serial killer also could have removed the identity from the deceased? I wouldn't rule out the possibility that an SK could do that, but I think it would be unlikely. I haven't seen enough killings publicly and I know next to nothing about the killing actions themselves, so while I would think that cleaning up and killing would be two separate roles, I wouldn't say that they aren't one action. Like you say, though, if they are two separate roles, it was either extremely coincidental or a scum coordination, unless the SK and scum somehow found each other and already trust each other. I also don't see any reason for the scum to kill Ra's, as it would appear that he did nothing to threaten them, (actually, he did basically nothing whatsoever) and he was already a suspect. I think it's the work of a vigilante, which would make some sense as he was already a suspect. I highly doubt the SK or vigilante trusted someone else enough to coordinate the actions at this time, so I don't think the possibility of a resurrection is that far-fetched. It's certainly not unprecedented in these types of situations, and it's the most reasonable explanation that only needs one person to have targeted Ra's.
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