Gotham City Mafia: Day Two

[XimenaPaulina]

Im not doubting your innocence right now, I'm just saying that if there is a converter out there, you, as someone confirmed by the Joker to be Town, would probably be a prime target for conversion in the coming Days. I'm suggesting that if the Riddler really is the Investigator, he should investigate you again sometime later on.

Yeah I understand your reasoning Mask (not the Builder! ). I welcome The Riddler to investigate me at random any one of these days, just to assure the criminals that I have not been converted. And even if they do, I have no intention of working with them, I'd just probably agree at first then "sell them out publicly" at the next day, haha. Hear that scummies?

Mind games, remember?

I love it when we do this to the scumbag agents. More of mindgames please.

[Brickdoctor]

And even if they do, I have no intention of working with them, I'd just probably agree at first then "sell them out publicly" at the next day, haha. Hear that scummies?

I know a certain god named Hinckley that will guarantee you won't ever be thrown into one of his situations again if you do that.

I love it when we do this to the scumbag agents. More of mindgames please.

Which came first, the banana or the name Bananakin?

[badboytje88]

Here he says that he's voting for Riddler so that everyone could 'work together' (and the issue of whether he's guilty or not never comes up), but he later refuses to vote for Catwoman because he's not convinced of her guilt. This is a massive scum tell here. If nothing better presents itself, I think we should seriously consider lynching Bane today. Honestly, the only thing that keeps me from being entirely sure that he's an agent is the fact that Catwoman actually addressed his post and told him to hop on her bandwagon (although that may have been the purpose of her post).

Well it looks like todays conviction will be between Bane and the Ventriloquist. I personally am leaning towards Bane, but let's see how the day unfolds.

I think Poison Ivy's got more of a target on her head for directly confronting the Creeper the other day.

Me a target on my head? You must be referring to the daisies in my hair. I have no target on my head! I voted for the Creeper yesterday, it was just an innocent experiment. I think I made that very clear yesterday. And might I remind you that I voted for Catwoman before the whole bandwagon started.

The first people to vote for Catwoman are in my good books too: Egghead, Ivy, and the Music Meister. At that point, there was no incentive to change the vote, but thanks to them, things started rolling the way they did. They could be super-sly agents who made a smart plan to get in there early just in case, but we can see that without their votes for Catwoman, Riddler would have been toast! Thanks, guys! Maybe we can even put Croc and The Mad Hatter on that list too! After that, it gets a lot sketchier to rely on.

I didn't want to cause a panic among us and I wanted it to be subtle. It's still inconclusive and conversion was one of the possible considerations. For sure, if conversion really did happens, it was used because they knew their team mate is going to die. Otherwise, let's continue to wait to see if there is any other interesting stuff happens such as "poisoning" during mid-day. I am just thinking out loud as in what the scums will plot and do and I think we need to get most of us in sync.

What are you trying to imply?

OMG! If someone gets poisoned I bet Poison Ivy would have done it, since she has poison in her name and in her lips! I trust our game hosts to not make this game that shallow...

[WhiteFang]

What are you trying to imply?

OMG! If someone gets poisoned I bet Poison Ivy would have done it, since she has poison in her name and in her lips! I trust our game hosts to not make this game that shallow...

Thinking out loud to consider the kind of mechanisms that are being used, as I am sure there will definitely be things different than tradition.

[Professor Flitwick]

Funny you would say that Ventriloquist. When the vote was on the fence, and it still looked like Riddler was going to get it, I saw you listening to the conversation. You, a normally outspoken chap, were awfully quiet. Then, hours later, when the Catwoman's fate was sealed, you got in on that vote. What was that you were saying about being forced to change to try and avoid suspicion?

Yes, sorry, I woke up come back from the strip club to see the vote decided, and then had to go to hospital decided to go back for another go. I came back in time, having thought on what everyone had said.

An' I do hope that ain't da sounda metagamin' I hear.

The cases against Bane and the Ventriloquist are slowly growing stronger. Right now I'm inclined to want to vote for the latter, he set off alarms for me on day one when he started with his numbers, then he started acting passive, but the whole listening in to the conversation with catwoman then jumping on the bandwagon last second really sells it for me.

Oh, for goodness sake, I was using similar numbers from a previous game to try and help the situation here.

An' when I tried ta help, you start pointin' da finga at me. Any wonda why I went passive?

[Professor Flitwick]

Funny you would say that Ventriloquist. When the vote was on the fence, and it still looked like Riddler was going to get it, I saw you listening to the conversation. You, a normally outspoken chap, were awfully quiet. Then, hours later, when the Catwoman's fate was sealed, you got in on that vote. What was that you were saying about being forced to change to try and avoid suspicion?

Yes, sorry, I woke up come back from the strip club to see the vote decided, and then had to go to hospital decided to go back for another go. I came back in time, having thought on what everyone had said.

An' I do hope that ain't da sounda metagamin' I hear.

The cases against Bane and the Ventriloquist are slowly growing stronger. Right now I'm inclined to want to vote for the latter, he set off alarms for me on day one when he started with his numbers, then he started acting passive, but the whole listening in to the conversation with catwoman then jumping on the bandwagon last second really sells it for me.

Oh, for goodness sake, I was using similar numbers from a previous game to try and help the situation here.

An' when I tried ta help, you start pointin' da finga at me. Any wonda why I went passive?

[def]

Yes, sorry, I woke up come back from the strip club to see the vote decided, and then had to go to hospital decided to go back for another go. I came back in time, having thought on what everyone had said.

An' I do hope that ain't da sounda metagamin' I hear.

Nope. No idea what metagaming is, this is a crime syndicate You were outspoken and active all day one, until the Catwoman lynch came up. Then you got quiet. Then today, you tried to point a finger at Babydoll for not acting fast enough. Ah, you better wise up, you're scumming up the thread something fierce.

Again, if we have a doctor/protector, you need to get in touch with me. We need to get this town organized, and so far, it seems we have lots of lazy-bone do-nothings.

[XimenaPaulina]

We need to get this town organized, and so far, it seems we have lots of lazy-bone do-nothings.

I couldn't retitillate (sorry Clayface, can't help it! ) reiterate it more. I'm actually quite surprised that most criminals are still somehow holding back even if there are already two 'cleared' criminals who they can trust. I appreciate those who have already stepped-up, but it seems there are still those who are just content playing safe or they're just too lazy to coordinate their actions. We're already pushing these scumbags to the edge of their seats right now, so I encourage others, if you really are concerned about the overall cause, to be proactive and work for the common good, so we could weed out them as quickly as possible.

[XimenaPaulina]

Well, well, well, out of the blue, a highly interesting revelation, or should I say a LIE, just greeted me and Mr. Happy Head privately.

Mr. Bane makes a bold clam that he is the Criminal Protector/Town Doctor:

Okay Baby Doll. I am the doctor. And last night I protect the Riddler from attack and was successful. So if you could back me that would be very much appreciated.

Reasons why I think this is a false claim:

1. Little does he know that I was already contacted by someone (name withheld for security reasons) yesterday who also claims to be the Doctor. Between the two of them I'm more inclined to believe the first one, who has shown more sincerity in helping the overall cause of the criminals.

2. Suspiciously enough, "Doctor Bane" just approached me when he was put on the Creeps Scum List. What's even more stranger, he is not even the prime suspect of Creeps, who seems to be more suspicious of the Ventriloquist. And just look at how he worded his message, very short, insincere, not carefully-thought-of, and shows no genuine concern for the overall cause of the criminals.

3. Bane claiming that he protected the Riddler and it was successful? LIE!

a. With the lack of kills last night, it was clear that the undercover agents did not choose to kill anyone but instead (most probably) recruited someone to join their team. And why do I know this? Because I know for a fact that the lone kill last night, with all the markings in the wall being it a random kill of an inactive useless player, was the work of a clueless vigilante,who I happen to be in contact with also.

b. We all know that the scum agents blocked The Riddler's investigative ability, then why would they waste a blocking action when they were targeting to kill him? It doesn't make sense right?

4. And you all know what happened yesterday, when I pointed out Bane's suspicious reason for unvoting/voting:

In light of the new arguments, I'm going to Unvote: The Riddler (sok117). I do not think Catwoman is scum, but I'm still not sure who to vote for. So for now I am going to Vote: Killer Croc (JediAnakin), because he already has five penalty votes.

The logic behind your vote is noted my friend. You unvote The Riddler and then vote for someone else other than Catwoman, which would most probably lead to The Riddler still getting lynched because he still leads in the voting. So why unvote in the first place? Somehow I read this as a half-assed move. Sorry for the derogatory term, I don't know if you're onion-skinned behind your tough persona Mr. Bane.

And how unconvincing his counter arguments are yesterday and today:

So you want me to vote for you then? Fine. I, Unvote: Killer Croc (JediAnakin), and Vote: Catwoman (CallMePieOrDie).

Good we got a Scum agent. Now if only we can get another today.

Yes. I had no reason to not vote for her other than I thought she wasn't scum. As we found out this morning she was. So when she asked me to vote for her I had no reason not too.

I had decide that Cat wasn't scum, so hence why I voted for Croc.

Yes I will admit that it did. I had no idea she was scum though.

The voting hasn't started yet, but I already know where my vote will go. Again, this will probably put myself on the scum kill list, but somebody has to make a sacrifice and I'm willing to take one for the team if it means we'll weed out a scum agent.

I'm off to bed, and hope to see some chaos in the voting when I wake up.

[def]

I think there is a lot suspicious about Bane, but I think it's better to track a claimed protector rather than sacrifice them to test the theory out. I'm more concerned about another who was caught in a lie last night: The Ventriloquist. He claimed to have targeted Babydoll last night, but I've received tracker information that he actually targeted Deadshot. To what ends? I don't know. I don't trust a liar. I think it's better to take out the known liar first

[WhiteFang]

Looks like we have gotten some headwind! We shall see the chaotic front once voting commences.

[Masked Builder]

3. Bane claiming that he protected the Riddler and it was successful? LIE!

a. With the lack of kills last night, it was clear that the undercover agents did not choose to kill anyone but instead (most probably) recruited someone to join their team. And why do I know this? Because I know for a fact that the lone kill last night, with all the markings in the wall being it a random kill of an inactive useless player, was the work of a clueless vigilante, who I happen to be in contact with also.

b. We all know that the scum agents blocked The Riddler's investigative ability, then why would they waste a blocking action when they were targeting to kill him? It doesn't make sense right?

They did try to kill Mr. Riddler but I prevented his untimely death. No it doesn't make sense. MAybe we're dealling with two different factions.

[Peanuts]

Wow, you guys sure talk a lot. Stop figuring stuff out while I run experiments! I must say, at the beginning of the day I was sceptical of the case against bane, but it seems it gets stronger, thanks to Baby Doll. And it sounds like the Creeper figured something out again, too. I find it hard to believe a criminal would lie, so it sounds like to main question is, who to vote for, the Ventriloquist or Bane. I for now would prefer Bane.

They did try to kill Mr. Riddler but I prevented his untimely death. No it doesn't make sense. MAybe we're dealling with two different factions.

So, you were explicitely told you prevented his death? The scum would be downright stupid to block and kill somebody the same night. And two scum factions, that's you explain? I sure as heel rather believe you to be an agent than a second scum group to be around.

[WhiteFang]

So, you were explicitely told you prevented his death? The scum would be downright stupid to block and kill somebody the same night. And two scum factions, that's you explain? I sure as heel rather believe you to be an agent than a second scum group to be around.

I think no need to stir more confusion theory into our criminal minds. I meant, Bane not Scarecrow. Seriously, do you even think we are going to face with a second scum faction! If so, I think I will jump at the perpetrator for involving us in this kind of nightmare and it' gonna be a doom operations for us...

On a much serious note, the probability of neutral (3rd party) character(s) is possible, since it was stated openly in the first post, but anything above that, I am gonna cast it aside and treat it as rubbish until concrete evidence surface. There is no point being mumbo jumbo when we have so many theories out today to thrash on.

If you are going to convince us, then don't lie to us and tell us the truth.

[Tamamono]

I think there is a lot suspicious about Bane, but I think it's better to track a claimed protector rather than sacrifice them to test the theory out. I'm more concerned about another who was caught in a lie last night: The Ventriloquist. He claimed to have targeted Babydoll last night, but I've received tracker information that he actually targeted Deadshot. To what ends? I don't know. I don't trust a liar. I think it's better to take out the known liar first

Wait, the Ventriloquist targeted Deadshot when he said that he was going to target Doll? Would you care to explain why you did this, Ventriloquist?

They did try to kill Mr. Riddler but I prevented his untimely death. No it doesn't make sense. MAybe we're dealling with two different factions.

I doubt that very much, Bane. Between your sketchy voting yesterday and your blatant lies today, I'm almost completely sure you're scum. I know where I'm putting my vote today.

[Brickdoctor]

I think there is a lot suspicious about Bane, but I think it's better to track a claimed protector rather than sacrifice them to test the theory out. I'm more concerned about another who was caught in a lie last night: The Ventriloquist. He claimed to have targeted Babydoll last night, but I've received tracker information that he actually targeted Deadshot. To what ends? I don't know. I don't trust a liar. I think it's better to take out the known liar first

I'm leaning towards voting for Bane, because characters like him have behaved like this before, they've been Scum once, and to be honest, they annoy me somewhat with their behavior during the situation. They're a little bit more helpful than your average sheep, but they always seem like they're fabricating pro-Town justification for everything they do on the spot.

They did try to kill Mr. Riddler but I prevented his untimely death. No it doesn't make sense. MAybe we're dealling with two different factions.

What do you mean, "it doesn't make sense"? It took me all of ten seconds' thinking to reach the conclusion that it was likely it was a serial killer kill. It makes perfect sense if it was an SK kill. The Riddler claimed Investigator, the SK doesn't want to be found out, so he tries to kill him. The scum don't want to waste a kill, but they don't want to be found out, so they block him. The Doctor doesn't want to lose him, so he protects him. Not only does it make perfect sense, but it means that everyone involved did what was probably the best thing for them to do for them to win. Know your facts and do some thinking before you jump to agree with your accusers.

[Scorpiox]

Simon says... Arright! I'm back.

What have we here, suspicion on Wesker and Bane?

I'm more inclined to vote for Wesker at the moment, when we are permitted. I don't think the case is good enough, as with yesterday, yet yesterday yeiled a scum.

Doll, you ask for actions, I'd rather not just announce mine so I'll tell you privately.

[Masked Builder]

I think that our friend the Ventriloquist is our Scum agent. I am the Doctor regardless of what Doll says. In fact, she might be scum for disbelieving me.

What do you mean, "it doesn't make sense"? It took me all of ten seconds' thinking to reach the conclusion that it was likely it was a serial killer kill. It makes perfect sense if it was an SK kill. The Riddler claimed Investigator, the SK doesn't want to be found out, so he tries to kill him. The scum don't want to waste a kill, but they don't want to be found out, so they block him. The Doctor doesn't want to lose him, so he protects him. Not only does it make perfect sense, but it means that everyone involved did what was probably the best thing for them to do for them to win. Know your facts and do some thinking before you jump to agree with your accusers.

I was agreeing with Dolls second statement.

[Professor Flitwick]

Wait, the Ventriloquist targeted Deadshot when he said that he was going to target Doll? Would you care to explain why you did this, Ventriloquist?

I tried to protect Doll, but ended up protecting Deadshot.

I believe dat dey call it 'da bus driva' role.

[Tamamono]

I think that our friend the Ventriloquist is our Scum agent. I am the Doctor regardless of what Doll says. In fact, she might be scum for disbelieving me.

Oh, that is hilarious! Didn't you see Joker's announcement earlier? Baby Doll has been confirmed town criminal!

Although I find it strange that the suspects are turning on each other. Maybe this means that they're not both scum after all...

I tried to protect Doll, but ended up protecting Deadshot.

I believe dat dey call it 'da bus driva' role.

Wait, so you're claiming to be the protector as well? I suppose it is possible that your target was switched, but why would the bus driver target you on night one?

[Scorpiox]

I think that our friend the Ventriloquist is our Scum agent. I am the Doctor regardless of what Doll says. In fact, she might be scum for disbelieving me.

Uh, Doll isn't scum, you might have noticed that our gracious hosts confirmd this.

So far Doll and Creeps are our confirmed townies, and maybe Riddler.

[Brickdoctor]

I think that our friend the Ventriloquist is our Scum agent. I am the Doctor regardless of what Doll says. In fact, she might be scum for disbelieving me.

So you're saying you think someone is Scum just because they don't trust you? I see little to no reason why anyone should trust you at the moment. A fundamental of these situations for Townies is that you don't trust anyone except yourself, initially, and you've done so little publicly to show that you actually have the Town's best interests in mind.

I was agreeing with Dolls second statement.

The second statement of Baby Doll's in the quote you replied to states that the kill shouldn't be that of a Scum, and Baby Doll herself said earlier that the vigilante targeted someone else. (Ra's) So you've actually made my point about it making sense for it to be an SK kill stronger.

[Professor Flitwick]

Wait, so you're claiming to be the protector as well? I suppose it is possible that your target was switched, but why would the bus driver target you on night one?

I dun't recall claimin' ta be anythin' else.

Why does anyone target anyone on night one? Maybe they saw the ruckus caused by my estimation of the amount of scum, and thought 'There is an easy conviction!'

[TheBoyWonder]

I feel the Ventriloquist is a Undercover Agent, but Bane is also acting suspicious. However we can only lynch one. Personally I think Ventriloquist and it seems so do others.

Lets make a list of what roles have been claimed/thought so far:

Doctor/Protector

Blocker

Vigilante

Thief (The Late Catwoman)

Conversion

Janitor

Investigator

Bus Driver

Scum Kill Action

I believe this is the list. I hope I haven't missed any. I think the 3 most likely for conversion are: Baby Doll, Creeper and Riddler. Mind Games again!

[Tamamono]

I dun't recall claimin' ta be anythin' else.

Why does anyone target anyone on night one? Maybe they saw the ruckus caused by my estimation of the amount of scum, and thought 'There is an easy conviction!'

That's true, most night one targets aren't based on much information. Still, the bus driver could just have easily been a townie criminal.

It's also possible that you're a scum doctor and you Deadshot are both scum, and you protected him last night. Or maybe you're the converter and you chose to convert him to replace Catwoman. Or maybe you're the framer and you chose to frame someone who seems to be flying under the radar.

It's obvious that it will be between Bane and The Ventriloquist today. Both are claiming to be doctors, and both are acting extremely scummy. I'm personally leaning towards Bane (his lies are so ridiculous, it's almost impossible that he's not scum), but I'm perfectly open to the Ventriloquist vote.