From Almaak to Zotax: all the planets in the LEGO galaxies...

[Jared]

I apologize if this has laready been said, but I think now with the LEGO Superheroes theme you have to include the enormous multi-verses from both DC and MARVEL...

[TalonCard]

The canonicity of that planet is highly dubious since everything in that movie seems to be fanon anyway. And if you consider the theory that The Lego Movie is a movie within the Lego universe itself it becomes even more complicated. On the other hand, it would finally explain how Duplo would fit into the Lego universe, so I don't mind if you include it.

I completely agree with you, but here's my thought process on including the planet: If we were making a complete list of all LEGO characters, it would be silly not to include Emmet, Wyldstyle and the rest, even though technically they're all Finn's creations within the self-contained movie world. So the same rule applies to planets. And I can't very well exclude Finn's sister's creation simply because it seems a little silly because that's the entire point of the movie. :laugh:

I apologize if this has laready been said, but I think now with the LEGO Superheroes theme you have to include the enormous multi-verses from both DC and MARVEL...

You're right, that was definitely an issue even as before I posted the list. I did address it in brief a couple of pages back, but you make a really good point and it's worth addressing in detail.

The main problem here is one of space: DC and Marvel's continuities have been around for decades, and there are simply too many planets in too many universes to document here. Star Wars has the same issue. And Galidor had how many planets now? Even some of the minor, minor tie-in franchises have multiple planets to keep track of; I'm pretty sure the Back to the Future cartoon had aliens, I know The Simpsons does, and Avatar: The Last Airbender showed us many planets in the same system as whatever fantasy world that show takes place on. Heck, what about the fictional-universe-within-the-universe that is Buzz Lightyear's home franchise? Would we end up counting those too?

That said, it's been pretty clear since they started making Star Wars cartoon specials and LEGO Superheroes comic books that there is a sort of separate, wackier continuity that each of these LEGO versions of all of these movies/comic books/cartoons inhabit. (In fact, I would be surprised if Marvel's LEGO universe didn't get an official Marvel multiverse numbered designation at some point.)

So perhaps it would be feasible to go through all of the LEGO exclusive video games, comics, and magazine features to pull out which of the outside franchise worlds have been directly referenced in LEGO material. Again, though, that's still a lot of work. In addition, the Marvel Superheros video game pulls in characters and locations from all over the Marvel universe; not just the ones from the sets that have been released. (It has the added bonus of being about the only place you'll sort of see the screen versions of the Avengers, Fantastic Four, and X-Men interact.)

So it doesn't make any sense to assume that any of the planets not mentioned in LEGO sources don't exist in their LEGO universe counterparts.

So here's what I propose: let's leave out the multiverses of the tie-in sets and focus on what is unique to LEGO. All of the tie-ins have extensive Wikis covering just about anything you'd want to know about their planets anyway. LEGO stories and universes don't have the same treatment, which is why I think this list is important.

However, let's keep our eyes on those LEGO Superhero comics and what not. If, say, a LEGO Star Wars cartoon special were to mention the planet Appalacooine, which is unique to that cartoon and has not been mentioned in a regular Star Wars source, let's make a note of it. Same goes for any other universe.

TC

[TalonCard]

Added the planet B-II from this 1991 Canadian catalog, and planets Aquatica and Terra X from the INTER-GALACTICA touring show mentioned here. This is probably the same touring show called "Galactic Adventures" in the US. Also removed Castle Planet from the 1997 UFO/Fright Knights commercial, as the LEGO World Club magazine shows that it is intended to be medieval Earth and not a planet of castles ala Ashlar.

TC

Edited August 5, 2014 by TalonCard

[TalonCard]

The Space Miner bio refers to Krysto-2002, which will hopefully be the last word on the 2002 designation. ;) It also seems to imply that it is the source of the ice meteorites from the two Arctic themes, making it the homeworld of those icy-spacebugs and energy crystals...

TC

Edited November 8, 2014 by TalonCard

[TalonCard]

Added the Explorien planet Aurum from this Prinzen promotional comic.

TC

[jamesster]

If you haven't seen it already on RRU: http://www.brickshel...ry.cgi?f=551138 It seems that it goes with

, Zotax is the green planet, and the lava/castle planet seems to be called Vulcox (though I haven't properly translated it yet, so I may be missing something). Edited December 30, 2014 by jamesster

[Oky]

If you haven't seen it already on RRU: http://www.brickshel...ry.cgi?f=551138 It seems that it goes with

, Zotax is the green planet, and the lava/castle planet seems to be called Vulcox (though I haven't properly translated it yet, so I may be missing something).

Great find! It even has the Zotaxian alphabet! I shall do my title justice by translating the description for Zotax!

The planet Zotax is rocky. However, its surface is covered by a giant organism that provides the Zotaxians with an atmosphere and protects them from the nearby lava planet Vulcox.

In the universe which surrounds the planet Zotax, there is a big black hole which ends in a strange tunnel. This tunnel leads to the universe that contains our galaxy and the planet Earth.

So this confirms that Zotax exists in its own pocket dimension. However, the description contradicts the comic and commercial where the Zotaxians enter the black hole in order to get to Vulcox which according to the description is in the same universe as Zotax.

It also mentions that Zotax is thousands of lightyears away from us and portrays the Zotaxians more as heroes than villains, saying that their Officer "fights for justice" and that their general, the Overlord, conducts several negotiations with inhabitants of other galaxies. Chamon the Alien is their "fearless" leader. He has a helmet that amplifies his brainwaves, giving him telekinetic powers, and a power-armor that protects the green crystals which provide him with vital energy.

Oh, and I also translated the message that flashes at the bottom of the UFO screen in the commercial and it reads: "!WARNING! INVALID LINK TO DYNAMIC DLL"

[jamesster]

Thanks for the translation! Lots of interesting stuff. I didn't find it myself, Tazakk/Pereki saw it on eBay, I bought it and got the pictures though (and Tazakk bought and scanned the Prinzen comic that TalonCard linked to). I'll get some proper scans of it next chance I get.

Oh, and I also translated the message that flashes at the bottom of the UFO screen in the commercial and it reads: "!WARNING! INVALID LINK TO DYNAMIC DLL"

Hah!

Edited December 31, 2014 by jamesster

[Tazakk]

The full English translation of the Prinzen comic can be found here.

[TalonCard]

If you haven't seen it already on RRU: http://www.brickshel...ry.cgi?f=551138 It seems that it goes with

, Zotax is the green planet, and the lava/castle planet seems to be called Vulcox (though I haven't properly translated it yet, so I may be missing something).

Woah, it's like my wildest dreams have come true regarding the UFO backstories. So this means there's a good chance that the leader the Insectoids are fleeing from in the Insectoid Invasion puzzle book is Overlord Alpha Draconis/Ixvizikil. Also, that weird organisam thing on the planet makes more sense now...I'd assumed it was an organic intersteller gateway, but it seems it's really the living environment that the Zotaxians are said to be completely integrated into in the 97 UK catalogs. This sub-theme is getting more interesting all the time!

So this confirms that Zotax exists in its own pocket dimension. However, the description contradicts the comic and commercial where the Zotaxians enter the black hole in order to get to Vulcox which according to the description is in the same universe as Zotax.

It also mentions that Zotax is thousands of lightyears away from us and portrays the Zotaxians more as heroes than villains,

Based on the World Magazine comics; I'd assume that the lava/castle planet from the commercial is Earth unless there's more information to come from this comic. (Can't wait for full scans!) Will definately add Vulcox, though.

The full English translation of the Prinzen comic can be found here.

Everyone should check it out--it's way better than the Keebler LEGO comics. ;)

TC

[jamesster]

There's no more info coming from that, the pictures show everything. The scans would just be higher quality.

... the living environment that the Zotaxians are said to be completely integrated into in the 97 UK catalogs.

Hm, got a link to those?

Edited January 2, 2015 by jamesster

[TalonCard]

Of course. :D I'd previously linked to it in the description for Humorless, but the catalog shows the same giant space organism that appears in the comic, so it's definitely Zotax. (Still might be the same planet, though.)

TC

[Tazakk]

I've always wondered why the terrain on the UFO box art is so weirdly organic... it even has an eye peeking out! Cool that it wasn't just some stylistic thing, but part of the UFO story. Makes me wonder if the city and volcano monster in the Exploriens background art have any significance.

This also makes Alien Rally Asteroid in LEGO Racers a little cooler. It's like the Insectoids have constructed a hidden underground base, and the Zotaxians are searching them out on the surface of the asteroid.

Edited January 2, 2015 by Tazakk

[Oky]

Based on the World Magazine comics; I'd assume that the lava/castle planet from the commercial is Earth unless there's more information to come from this comic. (Can't wait for full scans!) Will definately add Vulcox, though.

Like jamesster said, this is all the comic tells us. The Zotaxians pick up a distress signal from Vulcox, fly through the black hole, and fly towards Vulcox, which is said to be completely covered in lava and moving plates, so I don't think it's Earth (the planet from the commercial might be a different one though). After that, it says that the story will be concluded on the next page, but there is just a message in Zotaxian which simply translates to: "Chamon saves UFO saucer."

Everyone should check it out--it's way better than the Keebler LEGO comics. ;)

Indeed, very well made. Between this and the audio dramas, Germany produced some of the best Lego stories back in the day.

[TalonCard]

This also makes Alien Rally Asteroid in LEGO Racers a little cooler. It's like the Insectoids have constructed a hidden underground base, and the Zotaxians are searching them out on the surface of the asteroid.

Side note: I went to check this out and I'd completely missed the fact that the Ark of the Covenent shows up in one of the Adventurers tracks. Cute!

TC

[Bob De Quatre]

Hi there,

Thanks a lot TalonCard for keeping all this updated

I have a somewhat related question: is there a timeline in TLG space themes? Do the lore of each faction gives dates or at least years?

[Lind Whisperer]

I have a somewhat related question: is there a timeline in TLG space themes? Do the lore of each faction gives dates or at least years?

There have been snippets here and there, but nothing really mapped out. Classic Space might be happening in 2076, according to the printed pieces...or it might not have. There was a rumor that Mars Mission takes place in 2044, but I'm pretty sure that was based on an unsubstantiated Wikipedia rumor.

I personally rely upon Clutch Powers as a baseline for LEGO time, since you can use it to tie down many of the themes to within a few years - thanks to Atlantis.

Thanks to the Diary of Artemis Rhodes, we can calculate that Atlantis happened roughly around when it was released - 2009. Atlantis shares a character with Power Miners(who had joined them after leaving the Miners), which theme itself appears in Clutch Powers. Clutch Powers is referenced in Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitsu(and if you calculate the numbers, it sets the show as happening roughly 40 years after The Adventures of Clutch Powers), which recently featured cameos from Ultra Agents, which features a member of Galaxy Squad, which shared a (presumably canon) comic with Monster Fighters...

Edited January 5, 2015 by Lind Whisperer

[Oky]

I have a somewhat related question: is there a timeline in TLG space themes? Do the lore of each faction gives dates or at least years?

You can find TalonCard's Lego Space timeline here.

Perhaps it's worth indexing.

[TalonCard]

Thanks Oky! :) The revised timeline on page two is more accurate, though I need to update it as well. (And hats off to legomac for creating that thread!)

Hi there,

Thanks a lot TalonCard for keeping all this updated

I have a somewhat related question: is there a timeline in TLG space themes? Do the lore of each faction gives dates or at least years?

Longer answer in the timeline thread, but there's really never been a cohesive attempt to tie them all together. Cross-references abound, though, in places like the Collectable Minifigure bio series on LEGO.com, so the different factions definitely interact--they don't exist in a, uh, vacuum. ;)

That doesn't mean that various miscellaneous sources (comics, magazines, and catalogs) haven't given dates that, when taken together, can form a sort of coheisive history of the Space themes. Here's a short version of what I've been able to uncover:

2001

Life on Mars

2011

Alien Conquest

2050

Date given for a non-brick built space scene with Space Police I in the French LEGO Club magazine LEGO AS #2.

2079

Possible year printed on Classic Space elements.

2564

Year mentioned in 21109 Exo Suit promotional materials. (An interplanetary Federation is described at this point in time.)

3147

Year given for the Exploriens in this catalog.

3200

Year given for an Explorien adventure in Bricks 'n Pieces magazine.

3777

Year given for Time Cruisers in audio dramas and European promotional material. Also provides placement for Aquazone, where the time machines are implied to be a recent invention now in mass production (so sometime after 3777), and Exploriens/Spyrius, who recognize Dr. Cyber as a historical figure. (So several decades after 3777 and Aquazone at least. Slight contradiction with the earlier Explorien dates, though.)

4036

Date mentioned in passing in the LEGO Ideas Book. It's worth mentioning as it's another indication that many Space themes take place in the far future.

I personally rely upon Clutch Powers as a baseline for LEGO time, since you can use it to tie down many of the themes to within a few years - thanks to Atlantis.

Thanks to the Diary of Artemis Rhodes, we can calculate that Atlantis happened roughly around when it was released - 2009. Atlantis shares a character with Power Miners(who had joined them after leaving the Miners), which theme itself appears in Clutch Powers. Clutch Powers is referenced in Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitsu(and if you calculate the numbers, it sets the show as happening roughly 40 years after The Adventures of Clutch Powers), which recently featured cameos from Ultra Agents, which features a member of Galaxy Squad, which shared a (presumably canon) comic with Monster Fighters...

Oooh, oooh, I'd be really interested in what references you used to calculate the 40 year date--I could never get a sense of how long ago it was in the episode. Which episode is the Ultra Agents cameo in?

The tricky thing about Clutch Powers, though, is that it involves both Power Miners and Space Police III, so it really depends on whether you want to link it to "present day" Power Miners or the futuristic Space Police. Neither of the themes had characters included in the movie, though, so it could go any which way.)

TC

[jamesster]

The tricky thing about Clutch Powers, though, is that it involves both Power Miners and Space Police III, so it really depends on whether you want to link it to "present day" Power Miners or the futuristic Space Police. Neither of the themes had characters included in the movie, though, so it could go any which way.)

Aren't the two cloaked figures that escaped with Mallock characters from SP3? Granted, their identity was never directly revealed, but it seemed fairly clear they were two of the aliens (though I'm going from memory, haven't watched it in years).

Also, do we really need spoiler tags for Clutch Powers of all things?

Edited January 6, 2015 by jamesster

[Lind Whisperer]

Oooh, oooh, I'd be really interested in what references you used to calculate the 40 year date--I could never get a sense of how long ago it was in the episode.

The tricky thing about Clutch Powers, though, is that it involves both Power Miners and Space Police III, so it really depends on whether you want to link it to "present day" Power Miners or the futuristic Space Police. Neither of the themes had characters included in the movie, though, so it could go any which way.)

TC

Here's how I got to forty years - although I realized that my line of thinking has one tiny major flaw.

Sensei Wu and Garmadon are both mentioned as having played with Misako when they were all children. At some point, Garmadon and Misako married, and had Lloyd. Making the assumption that humans and minifigs have slightly similar biology, the latest Misako could have had Lloyd would have been when she was about 40. At the time of the series, Lloyd is about ten, which, with this line of reasoning, would make Wu, Garmadon, and Misako all about fifty, which, although conjecture, does match up with their appearance and abilities.

I'm not quite sure why, as I look back, but I believe at one point I had successfully reasoned why the Constrictai Blade had to have been found within Wu's lifetime, giving me the forty year span(or fifty). Of course, without the reason, all that conjecture is kind of useless.

Which episode is the Ultra Agents cameo in?

Toxikita and Invisible both cameo in several episodes of the new season as competition in the Elemental Tournament(I'd have to rewatch them to tell you exactly where and when).

They are both referenced as being masters of elements, which at first seems like it would cancel out their characters(as Toxikita was created by Anti-Matter's portals), until you take a closer listen to the video. The only one who is identified as being a descended of a elemental master is Invisible, whereas Toxikita's history is never defined.

Anti-Matter's portals work by reversing a person's positive traits and essentially turning them into a negative version of themselves. Now, exactly what types of person are extremely seen, and presumably not greedy(since his costume literally is covered with dollar bills)? Not too many that I can name off hand. But, if Invisible was a free-lancer who Anti-Matter hired, who got his powers not through a portal, but through his ancestry, it makes perfect sense.

Toxikita is a bit of a problem, I grant you, since her history is more or less clearly defined, but after reviewing the other tournament entrants, the only requirement is basically to "have power over an element" - there isn't any real rule why someone who uses technology to have power couldn't enter, and in fact, at least one person there appears to have to be using a tool to unlock their power(the Master of Sound/Love/whatever element a guy with a banjo has power over).

Aren't the two cloaked figures that escaped with Mallock characters from SP3? Granted, their identity was never directly revealed, but it seemed fairly clear they were two of the aliens (though I'm going from memory, haven't watched it in years).

The first figure is almost certainly the Squidman character. The second is a bit more tricky. Most people identify it as being either Kranxx or one of the Skull Twins, but if you look at it carefully, it doesn't seem to quite resemble either of them.

Okay, I should probably have spent more time carefully watching it frame by frame six years ago. I've always looked at the shot where Mallock was using his wand. When they're entering the room, Kranxx's head and face tentacles are quite discernible.

There goes my personal opinion that someone at LEGO should sneak a reference in as to Anti-Matter as having been the third villain. Pity - he really fits the profile of "ultimate evil in the galaxy" better than Space Biker Guy. Ah, well, maybe someday they can CGI him into the Anniversary Edition. *

Also, do we really need spoiler tags for Clutch Powers of all things?

I've mentioned my fondness for using the movie as a timeline elsewhere here, and typically gotten a response of "It's a failed a one-off movie," etc., etc. I was just trying to be polite and "quiet" by putting it in spoiler tags, not because it needed spoiler tags.

*

And replace Squidman with the nearly identical(at least in outline) SquidTron. Seriously - Squidman got locked in his bathroom by a robot he built. Granted, said robot was apparently a brilliant thief, but that's even more reason to retcon him.

Of course, SquidTron doesn't wear a cape. But then again, neither does Kranxx wear a hood...

Edited January 6, 2015 by Lind Whisperer

[TalonCard]

Here's how I got to forty years - although I realized that my line of thinking has one tiny major flaw.

Sensei Wu and Garmadon are both mentioned as having played with Misako when they were all children. At some point, Garmadon and Misako married, and had Lloyd. Making the assumption that humans and minifigs have slightly similar biology, the latest Misako could have had Lloyd would have been when she was about 40. At the time of the series, Lloyd is about ten, which, with this line of reasoning, would make Wu, Garmadon, and Misako all about fifty, which, although conjecture, does match up with their appearance and abilities.

I know next to nothing about Ninjago mythology, but wasn't Sensei Wu/Garmadon's father the being who created the entire world of NInjago? I'm not so sure that they have lifespans comperable to other people on Ninjago.

I'm not quite sure why, as I look back, but I believe at one point I had successfully reasoned why the Constrictai Blade had to have been found within Wu's lifetime, giving me the forty year span(or fifty). Of course, without the reason, all that conjecture is kind of useless.

Hmmm...it's still something I want to keep in mind when I (eventually) watch the show.

Toxikita and Invisible both cameo in several episodes of the new season as competition in the Elemental Tournament(I'd have to rewatch them to tell you exactly where and when).

Interesting! Now I really want to watch the series!

There goes my personal opinion that someone at LEGO should sneak a reference in as to Anti-Matter as having been the third villain. Pity - he really fits the profile of "ultimate evil in the galaxy" better than Space Biker Guy.

Hear hear! I'm really excited about this bad guy. Tie his portal powers in with the Darkitect and the Time Twisters too! :D

TC

[Bob De Quatre]

Thanks for the info guys

[PenPlays]

I know next to nothing about Ninjago mythology, but wasn't Sensei Wu/Garmadon's father the being who created the entire world of NInjago? I'm not so sure that they have lifespans comperable to other people on Ninjago.

Sensei Wu and Lord/Sensei Garmadon are brothers. They are the sons of the first Spinjitzu master. Lloyd Garmadon is the son of Lord Garmadon and Misako. The lifespans of the older characters of the show are still a bit up in the air.

Hmmm...it's still something I want to keep in mind when I (eventually) watch the show...

Interesting! Now I really want to watch the series!

It's fantastic. A bit childish at times, but worth the watch.

Hear hear! I'm really excited about this bad guy. Tie his portal powers in with the Darkitect and the Time Twisters too! :D

The thing with Anti-matter though, is that his portal powers are scientifically induced.

The Darkitect is corrupted with what could literally be considered the opposite of imagination. Baron Typhonus, a man driven into insanity with the corrupt ability to use these energies against the world. The Malestrom is more or less an all consuming well of his power, making him more of a "magical" character, thus making him unlike Anti-Matter. in several ways.

Love what you are doing here, by the way.

Edited January 6, 2015 by Penkid11

[TalonCard]

Added planet Oron from the Winter 1987 Brick Kicks Brick Buildmore comic.

Thanks for the info guys

That's what we're here for.

The thing with Anti-matter though, is that his portal powers are scientifically induced.

The Darkitect is corrupted with what could literally be considered the opposite of imagination. Baron Typhonus, a man driven into insanity with the corrupt ability to use these energies against the world. The Malestrom is more or less an all consuming well of his power, making him more of a "magical" character, thus making him unlike Anti-Matter. in several ways.

You're absolutely right about the differences between the characters. I'd argue, though, that in the LEGO universe (not the game, lol) magic, imagination, and science probably overlap more than in other fictional universes.

The potential for connections I see are that the portal pieces Anti-Matter uses are similar to the dark Hypno Disc used by the Time Twisters, and the unexplained skeletal/ghostly minions of the Time Twisters are sort of similar to the Stormlings of LEGO Universe, as is Anti-Matter's ability to corrupt minifigures. Perhaps both the Twisters and Anti-Matter are accessing the dark energy of the Maelstrom through their machines? So it's not that all the characters are the same, just that their abilities and minions indicate some kind of connection.

Love what you are doing here, by the way.

Thanks! :)

TC

Edited January 12, 2015 by TalonCard