Tamamono Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 Fair enough, although I think it would have been announced if he returned as a neutral party. That is, if he wasn't neutral before. Again, let's see what the old fossil has to say for himself. No he wouldn't have. Joker only tells us the allegiances of dead people. Ra's is alive. But it's likely that many of the agents hopped on that bandwagon as well. We can't just exclude that possibility. It's always one extreme or another with you people. I wasn't saying that all the people who voted for Bane are town, I was simply saying that the fact that some people voted early does not automatically make them scum. In fact, most (if not all) of the scum were probably on that bandwagon, since Ventriloquist is likely to be scum himself.
Professor Flitwick Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Sorry it's been a while since I've last spoken up; those strippers really are something! I tried to speak up one last time yesterday, but was four hours too late. Da return oh Mista Ra's is a suprise, 'n also quite worryin'; Gawd only knows whose side he's on! I think he's gonna be da subject for plenty o' night actions tonight, which may mean dat any readings/results from him maybe irrelevant; he migh' be framed durin' da night. Bane is innocent, another surprise, and another worry, though only for me. It seems most of you believe that Bane being innocent equates to me being scum. How? Damn it! How could Bane have been town!? And a more important question: was he really the doctor? If he was, then why was there no scum kill last night? Could they have targeted Nygma on Night 1 and then converted tonight? Maybe dere are different types o' docs around here. Ta most of yeah, dat seems improbable, but remember, dere are thirty folks here, each with a non-passive action. Ain't it possible dat dere are different types o' docs, like paranoid docs who block instead o' protect, or have a one in three chance o' accidently killin' dere target? It may also be dat he wasn't a doc. I've neva really been in contact with Bane before, but wouldn't of put it past him ta lie about an' action in order to save his own skin, even fo' a day. I can't believe that Bane was a criminal! Well I can believe that, but I can't believe he was not an undercover agent. I think most people will be pointing fingers at wesker today, but I wouldn't seal his fate so soon, he still has not had a chance to speak. Fair enough, I would still feel a lot more comfortable if he was able to address the points we made against him yesterday. First off, danks fo' givin' us some time to come out 'n explain ourselves, we appreciate it! Secondly, I'm sure I can fully answer any and all queries you all have for me, if you would readdress them.
def Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Well, the Creeper isn't so happy today One of our own has gone off to live on a farm somewhere, at least that's what the Joker told me. Well, I'm not going to hold it against the plain old criminals here, since I thought he was a scumbum too. These are the happy townies who voted to take care of our dearly beloved Mexican wrestler, Bane: KielDaMan, Brickdoctor, Bob_, WhiteFang, Rumble Strike, Captain Tamamono, Mrlegoninja, Sirius Black, Oky, Nightshroud99, Scorpiox, Jedi master Brick, Peanuts, Professor Flitwick, K-nut All of them are more likely to be of the Agent variety. As for what the Ventriloquist has done wrong, well, they can be easily numbered and listed: lie about who he targeted been unhelpful in the daytime been a whiny crybaby Does it make him an Agent? I'm not sure. It's somewhat unlikely that he's a protector though I also think the chance of recruitment is getting high though. Unfortunately, the Creeper is the the only one I trust
Professor Flitwick Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 As for what the Ventriloquist has done wrong, well, they can be easily numbered and listed: lie about who he targeted been unhelpful in the daytime been a whiny crybaby Does it make him an Agent? I'm not sure. It's somewhat unlikely that he's a protector though 1. We tried to protect baby Doll during the first night, and you last night. We can hardly help being redirection. 2. We tried to help out by givin' rough estimates during da first day, 'n half da town looked poised ta jump down our throats! I also tried da poin' out anotha possible suspect yesterday. Dere are people here who dun far less ta help out. 3. Example?
def Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 1. We tried to protect baby Doll during the first night, and you last night. We can hardly help being redirection. Actually, you flat out lied. Here's the story, from the behind the scenes. The dashing Creeper: So what did you do with Deadshot last night? You can tell me, I won't tell anybody else liar Ventriloquist: Deadshot? I protected Kiel. The ribald Creeper: Okay, we'll have to vote you out for that then. Sorry liar Ventriloquist: Do what you will with this information. Hmmmm. What can we see from this? He's unhelpful, and he's a liar. The bus claim after he was caught is the whine. Here you go: You would think that a person would be more cooperative with the only guaranteed Agent-hunter here
Brickdoctor Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 1. We tried to protect baby Doll during the first night, and you last night. We can hardly help being redirection. Can anybody confirm who the Ventriloquist targeted those Nights? Are you claiming you were redirected twice?
Brickdoctor Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Unfortunately, the Creeper is the the only one I trust I must ask, why do you not trust Baby Doll? I don't see much reason not to. You yourself said, Babydoll is in the clear, because if the Joker made a public announcement that she was criminal, and in fact she wasn't, well, that would really cause a horrendous backlash against him in the future. So we'll trust it
def Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I must ask, why do you not trust Baby Doll? I don't see much reason not to. You yourself said, I trust her to an extent, but there is always a chance of things taking a hard left turn into unexplored territory, such as one of our own being a traitor. So, let's take it one day at a time, shall we? The Ventriloquist admitted targeting Killer Croc night one after he was pressed on it, but wasn't originally forthcoming. There was no reason to lie. Still, he did The ones I'd like to put the screws on today are these: Deadshot/Rumble Strike Simon The Pieman/ Scorpiox The Mad Hatter/Jedi master Brick Two-Face/K-nut All of them have done nothing publicly to help us, and as far as I can tell, they've done nothing in private either. I've sent them messages, and hopefully they'll get their fat lard-butts in gear and start helping us smoke out these pesky agents. There are others, but the Creeper can only creep so much each day
JimBee Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I think it's clear that the Ventriloquist is scum. Flat out lying about "blocking" someone... if I recall correctly, Doll wasn't even blocked to begin with.
Brickdoctor Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Sorry for questioning your doubt of Baby Doll. I forgot all about the possibility of a conversion. The Ventriloquist admitted targeting Killer Croc night one after he was pressed on it, but wasn't originally forthcoming. There was no reason to lie. Still, he did Wait, what? Did he target Deadshot, Baby Doll, or Killer Croc on Night One? I'm confused. The ones I'd like to put the screws on today are these: ... The Mad Hatter/Jedi master Brick I agree. In my experience, characters like the Mad Hatter always act this way. In general, they tend to annoy me. They get in the way of Townies trying to help, but it's hard to judge whether or not they're Scum. If there's no clear other option, they're not at all a bad choice for lynching. They just seem like Townies with little understanding of what they're supposed to do during the Day. Any particular reason why the Ventriloquist is not on your list? You just said not too long ago that he has "been unhelpful in the daytime". Or have you decided that he has been doing something useful? I think it's clear that the Ventriloquist is scum. Flat out lying about "blocking" someone... if I recall correctly, Doll wasn't even blocked to begin with. I thought he claimed Doctor/Protector?
XimenaPaulina Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I trust her to an extent, but there is always a chance of things taking a hard left turn into unexplored territory, such as one of our own being a traitor. So, let's take it one day at a time, shall we? Ah Creeps, at least I know I feel the same way about you, and I could certainly understand the reasoning behind it. The Ventriloquist admitted targeting Killer Croc night one after he was pressed on it, but wasn't originally forthcoming. There was no reason to lie. Still, he did Hmmm, I'm quite curious, what did The Ventriloquist exactly do when he targeted Croc on Night One? Did he block Croc or not? Because it doesn't add up to what I know privately. As far as I know, Croc, who I have been in contact with (and secretly in love with ), had a "successful night action" on Night 1. So it's either the The Ventriloquist keeps adding to his big pile of lies (most likely) OR The Ventriloquist is consistent with his claim that he protected me and the Creeps the last two nights (which I'm beginning to find to hard to believe with all the protector/doctor claims).
Brickdoctor Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Have I missed something? Is Ventriloquist claiming Doctor/Protector or Blocker? Did he target Deadshot, Baby Doll, Creeper, or Croc? Was he successful, unsuccessful, redirected, or a combination of two of those?
def Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Sorry, the Creeper is on the go and can't check his notes. I think you're right, it wasn't Croc, it was Deadshot. But I'll double check it later when I'm home. Vent claimed to target Babydoll but actually targeted Deadshot... I think
XimenaPaulina Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Sorry, the Creeper is on the go and can't check his notes. I think you're right, it wasn't Croc, it was Deadshot. But I'll double check it later when I'm home. Vent claimed to target Babydoll but actually targeted Deadshot... I think Now that is much clearer, since from what I knew the Watcher/Tracker who tracked The Ventriloquist on Night 1 saw him 'target' Deadshot, not Croc. Vent claims that he protected me and got redirected to Deadshot instead. I asked Deadshot about this and he told me that nothing weird happened to him on Night 1. But if I were to believe Creep's statement that Vent admitted targeting Deadshot and not me on Night 1, then why LIE in the first place Mr. Ventriloquist? Have I missed something? Is Ventriloquist claiming Doctor/Protector or Blocker? Did he target Deadshot, Baby Doll, Creeper, or Croc? Was he successful, unsuccessful, redirected, or a combination of two of those? As far as I know, the Ventriloquist only claimed to be the protector/doctor and not the blocker. When the watcher/tracker saw him targeting Deadshot on Night 1, he claimed to have been redirected. And now, according to Creeps, he admitted in targeting Deadshot on Night 1. I don't really understand the need to lie if you're one of us criminals Mr. Ventriloquist.
def Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Vent admitted it in thread, when he made the bus claim.
Brickdoctor Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 If I understand this correctly, Ventriloquist gave conflicting information to two people, and those two are the two that we trust most, right? I won't say that there's no dispute here as far as who to lynch ( ), but that does make Today's vote rather straightforward in my opinion.
def Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 That's not quite it. He claimed to both of us that he'd targeted Babydoll, but we knew it wasn't true. When pressed, he claimed to have been bussed. I'll need to go through Day Two again to see what happened. There are lots of good lynch candidates tonight though.
WhiteFang Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Blah. I am just away for a nap and there is so much things going on. I am taking a moment to breathe and get things settled.
TheBoyWonder Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Riddler, what did you get in the investigation? Did anyone do a tracking? I just feel these might help.
def Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 It's come to my attention just how many of the people supposedly on my "team" are acting like megablocking cowboys and doing whatever they like. It's great that you want to solve this problem all by yourself showing up once a day and then using your night action on someone who is probably on your team I'm not saying you can't make your own decisions, but why wouldn't you want to be better informed? Coordinate your activities? I'm pretty much cleared. Babydoll is pretty much cleared. Even the Riddler is pretty clear. Get in touch with someone, make this game impossible for those Agents
Scorpiox Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Simon attempts to help more... Okay, where's Ed? Ed? Any investigation results for today? Or did you get blocked, again? Look out for conversions people! It is possible Ra's could have been reincarnated as scum or nuetral, but that's speculation. We need to hear him speak. I'm going to vote for Wesker, because nothing yet has come up to change my mind. How does that make me a sheep? Does everyone have to vote sporadicly and not go for who they think, just because someone else is also voting for them.
TheBoyWonder Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I agree. By not talking, public or private, you are effectively hindering the chance of Criminals Winning. Those who remain silent, or very quiet are helping the Agents.
def Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Simon attempts to help more... Okay, where's Ed? Ed? Any investigation results for today? Or did you get blocked, again? He got results last night Not an Agent, but a Criminal. No need to inform people publicly, but that person won't be a lynch target. Look out for conversions people! Thanks for attempting to help It is possible Ra's could have been reincarnated as scum or nuetral, but that's speculation. We need to hear him speak. I'm going to vote for Wesker, because nothing yet has come up to change my mind. How does that make me a sheep? Does everyone have to vote sporadicly and not go for who they think, just because someone else is also voting for them. Who called you a sheep for wanting to vote for the Ventriloquist? You vote for whoever you think is scum. In my case, that's you When the voting starts, keep your eyes peeled for this: Vote: Simon/Scorpiox It's coming, baby. Scum or dumb, scum or dumb...
Jedi master Brick Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I have been in touch with the Riddler since the start of day 2. I responded to the creeper's PM. I am sorry for not being active but I have no had a lot to say
Scorpiox Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 He got results last night Not an Agent, but a Criminal. No need to inform people publicly, but that person won't be a lynch target. Thanks for attempting to help Who called you a sheep for wanting to vote for the Ventriloquist? You vote for whoever you think is scum. In my case, that's you When the voting starts, keep your eyes peeled for this: Vote: Simon/Scorpiox It's coming, baby. Scum or dumb, scum or dumb... What have I done that makes me scummy? You're great with these random hypothosis, but you fail to ever say why you think something. I tried to help, you're such a hypocrite, you say, 'you need to help more'. Then when I try to help you call me scum. You're overconfident and obnoxious. What am I supposed to say? That's the thing with these games, people will have suspicions for no reason and never listen.
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