Alopex Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 We lost our investigator and another person, this is unlucky... But we have got solid evidence that Deadshot is an enemy of ours! I love you so much Mr J!!! I know what my reward will be, when we kill all of those traitors!!!
Rumble Strike Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Wait, I know Creeper has been pretty good for the Town so far, and I can certainly understand where he is coming from, but are we all just gonna believe what Clayface says? There's no proof that he is town, and he hasn't been very vocal in the last 3 days. I'm not saying his copying ability is suspect, just his allegiance. As we can tell, our abilities are based on our characters, and I know me being the best assassin in Gotham City isn't helping my case about now. There's not much I can do about that, but I am certainly no Scum. I am a vigilante, and I targeted Calendar Man because he, like some others, have not been speaking much or helping the Town cause. I am kind of surprised it actually worked, because it has failed every time so far. I can't help that our investigator died also, that's Clayface's deal.
Jedi master Brick Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Dead shot, we know Clayface's night action, and we found out before he knew we found out
Peanuts Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Wait, I know Creeper has been pretty good for the Town so far, and I can certainly understand where he is coming from, but are we all just gonna believe what Clayface says? There's no proof that he is town, and he hasn't been very vocal in the last 3 days. I'm not saying his copying ability is suspect, just his allegiance. As we can tell, our abilities are based on our characters, and I know me being the best assassin in Gotham City isn't helping my case about now. There's not much I can do about that, but I am certainly no Scum. I am a vigilante, and I targeted Calendar Man because he, like some others, have not been speaking much or helping the Town cause. I am kind of surprised it actually worked, because it has failed every time so far. I can't help that our investigator died also, that's Clayface's deal. I must admit, that's about as likely as Clayface's claim. I don't trust Clayface, and I don't trust you, so I'll have to think about this further before voting prematurely. I'd like to ask you, since you claim vigilante, what exactly did you do on night one/day two? Those are the first two kills which have your MO. Dead shot, we know Clayface's night action, and we found out before he knew we found out What the heck are you talking about? What did who find out before he knew they found out?
Rumble Strike Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I must admit, that's about as likely as Clayface's claim. I don't trust Clayface, and I don't trust you, so I'll have to think about this further before voting prematurely. I'd like to ask you, since you claim vigilante, what exactly did you do on night one/day two? Those are the first two kills which have your MO. My vigilante kill is not guaranteed, it's 50/50. My night one action targetting Calendar Man failed, but it wasn't a block, I was told it failed.
Professor Flitwick Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Jez, even mo' folks dead! Actually, you flat out lied. No, we tried to target Baby Doll for protection. We didn't lie, and Baby Doll knows, and has for some time, why we didn't tell her right away. Now that is much clearer, since from what I knew the Watcher/Tracker who tracked The Ventriloquist on Night 1 saw him 'target' Deadshot, not Croc. Vent claims that he protected me and got redirected to Deadshot instead. I asked Deadshot about this and he told me that nothing weird happened to him on Night 1. But if I were to believe Creep's statement that Vent admitted targeting Deadshot and not me on Night 1, then why LIE in the first place Mr. Ventriloquist? As far as I know, the Ventriloquist only claimed to be the protector/doctor and not the blocker. When the watcher/tracker saw him targeting Deadshot on Night 1, he claimed to have been redirected. And now, according to Creeps, he admitted in targeting Deadshot on Night 1. I don't really understand the need to lie if you're one of us criminals Mr. Ventriloquist. Whyda folks keep on bringin' da croc inta dis? 'N again, we didn't lie. 'N we told ya why we didn't tell ya righ' away! My vigilante kill is not guaranteed, it's 50/50. My night one action targetting Calendar Man failed, but it wasn't a block, I was told it failed. Maybe we are paranoid protectors, that block instead of protect, or a combination of the two.
TheBoyWonder Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 A bold claim. But have you been in contact with BabyDoll? Because if you remember, Baby Doll has said before (Day 2 I think) that she knew the death of Ra's was the work of a clueless vigilante.
Peanuts Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 A bold claim. But have you been in contact with BabyDoll? Because if you remember, Baby Doll has said before (Day 2 I think) that she knew the death of Ra's was the work of a clueless vigilante. Right, I forgot about that. That's actually a helpful comment, Croc, well done. Some of you psychopaths astonish me from time to time. I think that seriously puts your credibility in question, Deadshot.
Tamamono Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 My vigilante kill is not guaranteed, it's 50/50. My night one action targetting Calendar Man failed, but it wasn't a block, I was told it failed. But you yourself said that you never miss! If your role is based on your identity (it's starting to look that way for everyone), then your vigilante kill is 100%, because you never miss. Besides, Doll already said that a vigilante (with a different MO from yours) killed Ra's on night 1. I seriously doubt that there are two vigilantes. Also, if Clayface is scum, why would he copy you and use your action against Nygma? It would have been much easier for him to get his scum team to use their collective kill against Nygma without having to go through all that trouble. Nice try, Floyd, but you're not fooling anyone.
Peanuts Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Also, if Clayface is scum, why would he copy you and use your action against Nygma? It would have been much easier for him to get his scum team to use their collective kill against Nygma without having to go through all that trouble. The question is, do they have a collective kill? Up to now it didn't look like that, Ra's was certainly not killed by the agents. If Deadshot is true about having shot Calendar Man, and Clayface would have copied that kill, this would imply the agents aren't killing, but only converting. But, if Deadshot is lying and aimed at the Riddler, with Clayface getting rid of Calendar Man, that would imply that the scum isn't converting at all but killing, and that Wesker is either really a paranoid doctor who was redirected at Deadshot, therefore blocking him on day one, or on the same team as Deadshot. But, I'm wondering, if Deadshot is scum, why would the scum redirect a criminal at one of their own? And why would a criminal redirect somebody without telling one of our most trusted criminals? So in case Deadshot is an agent, we can assume the Ventriloquist is an agent. But another strange thing is, Clayface, if you are a criminal and you can copy actions, why didn't you copy the one of the Riddler? Thereby you'd both confirm his action and we get a second investigation. That's the question in which's answer I'm most interested right now.
ADHO15 Posted November 20, 2011 Author Posted November 20, 2011 Voting has begun! Hopefully you'll have better luck than yesterday!
TheBoyWonder Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Found it: a. With the lack of kills last night, it was clear that the undercover agents did not choose to kill anyone but instead (most probably) recruited someone to join their team. And why do I know this? Because I know for a fact that the lone kill last night, with all the markings in the wall being it a random kill of an inactive useless player, was the work of a clueless vigilante,who I happen to be in contact with also. That was what Baby Doll said day 1. I have just disproved your claim. Sort your story out. I am going to join The Creeper in singing-Scum or Dumb?, Scum or Dumb?
Tamamono Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Voting has begun! Hopefully you'll have better luck than yesterday! Egg-cellent! Vote: Deadshot (Rumble Strike)
Brickdoctor Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I, too, seriously doubt that there are two vigilantes. Two trackers? Quite possible. Two blockers? Not impossible. Two investigators? Plausible. Two vigilantes? Probably not. In these situations, the Town should rely on its analysis of behavior and the lynch in order to kill the Scum. It's one of the reasons why there are more Town than Scum, because the Scum can influence the Town's choice of kill. Adding a second Townie killer, no matter the chances of success, sort of upsets the balance and causes the Town to stop relying on the lynch for kills like they're supposed to. It's certainly possible, but it wouldn't a good idea for god/The Joker to allow it to happen.
TheBoyWonder Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 For my earlier reasons: Vote: Deadshot (Rumble Strike) Lying is just asking to get lynched.
Jedi master Brick Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Ok, the facts stack against you Deadshot so I shall Vote:Deadshot (Rumble strike) My reasons for voting for you are: * I know clayface's night action is morph/mimic * If he was scum he would of copied a scum abilty * Your story does not add up * And like many others, I doubt there are 2 vigilantes I may unvote if new evidence comes up
Peanuts Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Found it: a. With the lack of kills last night, it was clear that the undercover agents did not choose to kill anyone but instead (most probably) recruited someone to join their team. And why do I know this? Because I know for a fact that the lone kill last night, with all the markings in the wall being it a random kill of an inactive useless player, was the work of a clueless vigilante,who I happen to be in contact with also. That was what Baby Doll said day 1. I have just disproved your claim. Sort your story out. I am going to join The Creeper in singing-Scum or Dumb?, Scum or Dumb? And how would Baby Doll know that the vigilante was actually a vigilante and not a neutral SK? Not that I don't trust her, or at least trust her far more than everyone else, but how would she know? Ok, the facts stack against you Deadshot so I shall Vote:Deadshot (Rumble strike) My reasons for voting for you are: * I know clayface's night action is morph/mimic * If he was scum he would of copied a scum abilty * Your story does not add up * And like many others, I doubt there are 2 vigilantes I may unvote if new evidence comes up 1. How do you know? Besides the fact it's obvious by the claims and actions, how do you know? 2. Why? Where's the logical conclusion there? 3. In fact, it adds up if others were lying. The only question is, who is lying? 4. There are no two vigilantes, that would be silly. But there might be an SK. 5. You didn't answer my question above. Please do so. Well, I can't say you were stupid for voting Deadshot, there's a good case against him, but still, don't forget facts and don't rely on what others say. The agents will lie, and you don't know who the agents are.
Brickdoctor Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Ok, the facts stack against you Deadshot Right now, the fact is that there are no facts against Deadshot. They're all claims. Claims are not proven facts. What we have to decide is which claims are more likely to be true and which people putting forth claims are more trustworthy.Stop acting as if things are certain. They aren't. It makes you look like a sheep who just follows a prominent probably Townie around repeating what he says. (or are you? )
Nightshroud99 Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I really hate meta-gaming voting like this but it seems that this game situation is based wholly on it. So I will vote: Vote:Deadshot (Rumble strike) Although there are other suspects for sure.
Capt. Redblade Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Right now, the fact is that there are no facts against Deadshot. They're all claims. Claims are not proven facts. What we have to decide is which claims are more likely to be true and which people putting forth claims are more trustworthy. Stop acting as if things are certain. They aren't. It makes you look like a sheep who just follows a prominent probably Townie around repeating what he says. (or are you? ) Agreed. Heresay and conjecture do not a conviction make. Unless some actual factual evidence against Deadshot appears, I'm going to stick to my guns on the Wesker front. Vote: Ventriloquist/Professor Flitwick
Peanuts Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I really hate meta-gaming voting like this but it seems that this game situation is based wholly on it. How comes are you metagaming voting like whatever? Aren't you voting for Deadshot because you believe in his guilt based on the claims that were made before?
Nightshroud99 Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Dead shot, we know Clayface's night action, and we found out before he knew we found out Who is this "WE" you speak of? Your scum team?? How could you find out something before the other person found out you found out? Oops I just confused myself again... Or, in actuality you did. But, who is this "WE"?? I want to know! Also where is Ra's, why hasn't he appeared and spoken yet?
Peanuts Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Agreed. Heresay and conjecture do not a conviction make. Unless some actual factual evidence against Deadshot appears, I'm going to stick to my guns on the Wesker front. Vote: Ventriloquist/Professor Flitwick And that's actually a pretty good idea. Why kill a possible vigilante? If Deadshot's scum, the Ventriloquist is also scum. So if we kill the Ventriloquist and he turns out as criminal, we should propably think aagin about killing Deadshot. Who is this "WE" you speak of? Your scum team?? How could you find out something before the other person found out you found out? Oops I just confused myself again... Or, in actuality you did. But, who is this "WE"?? I want to know! Also where is Ra's, why hasn't he appeared and spoken yet? My question exactly.
Nightshroud99 Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 How comes are you metagaming voting like whatever? Aren't you voting for Deadshot because you believe in his guilt based on the claims that were made before? Yes but that would have been speculation if we had not seen proof positive that two townies were killed with Gunshots from afar. Who else uses guns? Two-Face, yes up close. But who would have a kill with guns from afar? Deadshot.
Peanuts Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Yes but that would have been speculation if we had not seen proof positive that two townies were killed with Gunshots from afar. Who else uses guns? Two-Face, yes up close. But who would have a kill with guns from afar? Deadshot. I think you misunderstand the concept of metagaming however I paraphrase metagaming, it's voting based on something that's not part of teh game, like the outer appearance, their actions in previous games situations like this, or something they said in the discussion thread in a parallel dimension. This is not metagaming however I'll paraphrase metagaming.
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