Gotham City Mafia: Day Seven

[Tamamono]

I admit I was the first one who received Crane's Fear Gas on Night 2 (even the Creeps knows this), and I even still have it in my possession right now, as I have not used it since its effect is so unpredictable that it might end up harming the criminals more than helping us.

I'm pretty sure that it was stated in the Day thread a few days back as well, but in any case, you've been cleared. I don't regard you as a suspect.

Well, it's up to the Creeps, but he has been THE SOLE REASON FOR THE CRIMINALS' SUCCESS, so I don't think that "not-so-dirty-little-secret" will matter to us right now.

Of course. There's no reason why neutrals can't win with the town, and he has been, like you said, the sole reason for our success so far, so there's no reason not to trust him. I'm not accusing him of anything, I'm just curious.

[XimenaPaulina]

Ok I'll make another revelation, since I guess at this stage it is better to come clean in the hopes of trying to paint a clear picture on what we have now, and hopefully end this ordeal.

With regards to my ability, I had "Will Power" which enabled me to acquire The Riddler's investigative ability the night after he died.

So let's round-up all the investigative results shall we?

So far here are the "investigation-cleared" Criminals:

Baby Doll (KielDaMan) = cleared as a Criminal by The Joker on Day 2 by virtue of one of my actions. Black Mask claimed to have investigated me on Night 2 and told me that he got a "Scum" result on me, the night before I was cleared as a Criminal.

Hush (JimButcher/Mrlegoninja) = cleared as Criminal by The Riddler on Night 2

The Music Meister (Capt. Redblade) = cleared as Criminal by Baby Doll on Night 4

Harley Quinn (Alopex) = cleared as Criminal by Baby Doll and Black Mask on Night 5 (separate investigations)

The Mad Hatter (Jedi master brick) = cleared as Criminal by Baby Doll on Night 6

K-nut (Two-Face) = cleared as Criminal by both Black Mask on Night 4 and Creep's investigator (separate investigations on different nights)

For the others, I'm just leaning on Creep's words that they are cleared as Criminals based on their "helpfulness"

The Creeper (def)

Clayface (Whitefang)

Egghead (Captain Tamamono)

Killer Croc (JediAnakin)

Man-Bat (Sirius Black)

Mr. Freeze (Oky)

Not yet cleared:

Poison Ivy (badboytje) = claims to be Independent

Black Mask (Brickdoctor) = not yet cleared due to Creep's investigator claims to have investigated him twice but failed

Of course, even if the other Criminals were cleared, there is still the possibility of a Godfather which can hide with his guaranteed always "Criminal" result. That is why I suspected Black Mask, because I was thinking maybe the difficulty in investigating him might be some sort of a "modified Godfather-type ability" wherein all investigations on him will fail (and thus will not give his scum allegiance) instead of the normal variant of always appearing as Town in investigations.

[XimenaPaulina]

After gathering my thoughts I'm inclined to believe Creeps that another faction surfacing seems highly unlikely at this stage. I hope this chart would help:

As you see, we already have 10 known criminals (dead & alive), and if ever Black Mask is indeed the last of the Undercover Agents, then that would make them 6 out of the 24, which is the typical 1:4 = scum:town ratio, excluding the independents. And besides, the existence of another faction at this point is extremely disadvantageous to the Criminals and a highly questionable set-up by the Gods which I'm sure will put them under heavy criticism once this mission is over.

15 Criminals

6 Undercover Agents

1 "Scum"

2 Independents

I hope I'm correct with my summary here, and I'm dying to have this mission end already.

[Capt. Redblade]

Not yet cleared:

Poison Ivy (badboytje) = claims to be Independent

Black Mask (Brickdoctor) = not yet cleared due to Creep's investigator claims to have investigated him twice but failed

Well, it might just be another easy day today.

On another note (rim shot), I am rather skeptical of a supposed "third faction". As Doll said, such a thing would be disadvantageous to the Criminal element, and I myself find it highly unlikely that a third team should have been able to hide so well when we've been killing Undercovers left and right.

[Tamamono]

Ok I'll make another revelation, since I guess at this stage it is better to come clean in the hopes of trying to paint a clear picture on what we have now, and hopefully end this ordeal.

With regards to my ability, I had "Will Power" which enabled me to acquire The Riddler's investigative ability the night after he died.

That's quite a revelation, Doll! I, for one, find it very surprising that there are this many investigators. First Riddler, then Doll (who I guess is a Deputy?), Black Mask (who could very well be lying), and now Creep's other investigator.

Baby Doll (KielDaMan) = cleared as a Criminal by The Joker on Day 2 by virtue of one of my actions. Black Mask claimed to have investigated me on Night 2 and told me that he got a "Scum" result on me, the night before I was cleared as a Criminal.

I'm still baffled by the fact that he got a scum result on you. Was that part of your action, by any chance? You were a miller until Joker cleared you?

Of course, even if the other Criminals were cleared, there is still the possibility of a Godfather which can hide with his guaranteed always "Criminal" result. That is why I suspected Black Mask, because I was thinking maybe the difficulty in investigating him might be some sort of a "modified Godfather-type ability" wherein all investigations on him will fail (and thus will not give his scum allegiance) instead of the normal variant of always appearing as Town in investigations.

Honestly, no townie would have to ability to repel investigations against themselves, so I'm very doubting of Mask and his claims. However, a Godfather role wouldn't be of much use if it purposely made the Godfather immune to investigation, because a result saying 'this person can not be investigated' is just as good as a scum result. If he really is a townie, then I think it's the work of a framer.

After gathering my thoughts I'm inclined to believe Creeps that another faction surfacing seems highly unlikely at this stage. I hope this chart would help:

I agree. It's very unlikely that there is a second faction that has avoided being discovered until now, and on top of that, almost everyone is cleared at this point. Does this second faction show up as town to investigation?

[Brickdoctor]

Correction: I investigated Baby Doll on Night One, and claimed investigator on Day 2.

I'm still baffled by the fact that he got a scum result on you. Was that part of your action, by any chance? You were a miller until Joker cleared you?

Based on the fact that I on multiple occasions got the same result as other investigators, I assume my target was framed. The other possibilities are that the framer is very very good at anticipating targets or that I get random results, which I seriously doubt.

[XimenaPaulina]

That's quite a revelation, Doll! I, for one, find it very surprising that there are this many investigators. First Riddler, then Doll (who I guess is a Deputy?), Black Mask (who could very well be lying), and now Creep's other investigator.

I was actually surprised also to know that the Criminals have so many investigative abilities on our side. But I am not a Deputy Cop, because with my "Will Power" ability I could've inherited any ability by the last criminal to leave the game, but I chose The Riddler's investigative ability since I knew that would be beneficial for the Criminal's side.

I'm still baffled by the fact that he got a scum result on you. Was that part of your action, by any chance? You were a miller until Joker cleared you?

I was not aware of any "miller element" in my abilities, so it's either a hidden ability or Black Mask could me making it all up.

Honestly, no townie would have to ability to repel investigations against themselves, so I'm very doubting of Mask and his claims. However, a Godfather role wouldn't be of much use if it purposely made the Godfather immune to investigation, because a result saying 'this person can not be investigated' is just as good as a scum result. If he really is a townie, then I think it's the work of a framer.

I think more than anything else Black Mask's investigation immunity is my main reason of suspecting him. And I don't know if there was a framer before so I really couldn't tell.

I agree. It's very unlikely that there is a second faction that has avoided being discovered until now, and on top of that, almost everyone is cleared at this point. Does this second faction show up as town to investigation?

I haven't come across, nor Creep's investigator nor Black Mask, of a second "Scum" faction. All the results we've gotten are either "Criminal" on my side and Black Mask's claimed investigation results, and the "Undercover Agent" result that Creep's got on Mr. Zsasz.

Correction: I investigated Baby Doll on Night One, and claimed investigator on Day 2.

I stand corrected. Yes you claimed to have investigated me on Night One, got a "Scum" result, then I was cleared a Criminal on Day Two.

[Tamamono]

Based on the fact that I on multiple occasions got the same result as other investigators, I assume my target was framed. The other possibilities are that the framer is very very good at anticipating targets or that I get random results, which I seriously doubt.

I didn't even think of that! Yes, I think it's likely that, if the scum had a framer, he/she targeted Baby Doll on Night 1. It would have been the most strategic move.

I was actually surprised also to know that the Criminals have so many investigative abilities on our side. But I am not a Deputy Cop, because with my "Will Power" ability I could've inherited any ability by the last criminal to leave the game, but I chose The Riddler's investigative ability since I knew that would be beneficial for the Criminal's side.

Ah, I see. In that case, I guess things have just slotted into place in such a way that we have lots of investigators.

I think more than anything else Black Mask's investigation immunity is my main reason of suspecting him. And I don't know if there was a framer before so I really couldn't tell.

I agree. Everything else he's claimed/said seems fine to me, but the way he came up to investigations is troubling indeed. I don't know, he seems to be the best option for now (we could also lynch Ivy, but Creeper's not said a thing about her today, so I assume she's been cleared by Hatter or something).

I haven't come across, nor Creep's investigator nor Black Mask, of a second "Scum" faction. All the results we've gotten are either "Criminal" on my side and Black Mask's claimed investigation results, and the "Undercover Agent" result that Creep's got on Mr. Zsasz.

That's extremely weird. You'd think that by now we would have at least found one other "Scum" through lynches/kills/investigations. Could Ra's have been the only "Scum" after all?

[def]

A lovely day in Tantrum Gotham City Mafia

Creeps, are you in some hallucinating drug yesterday? I told you privately TWICE that Black Mask is unkillable since we successfully completed a task on Night 5. I specifically warned you not to waste the vig's killing action, but you still ordered our vig to kill Black Mask. Why are you putting the blame on me?? Is this one of your tease on me? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt to explain yourself. Or you want to tell me the other Criminals about your not-so-dirty little secret? Maybe you should clean your ears, clogged with too much earwax or something?!

And just to clarify to everybody, The Penguin gave me a task on Night 5, which I think the Creeps passed on to me after successfully completing his own task on Night 4.

The Penguin told me that I should choose someone who has a learning/investigative ability to help me with the task, and I chose Black Mask on Night 5 because at that time I still trust him. But after the Creeps reported on Day 6that they had extreme difficulty investigating him (for two nights!), I became suspicious of Black Mask and "cut my ties" with him (stopped my PMs with him) since yesterday.

Honestly, I missed that. In the 50 plus messages I got from a dozen different people, I missed that. If you think that's a good reason to out my "dirty" secret, than so be it. I think that's really stupid reason to do that, but, that's just me. Of course, what you posted ignored my reply to you, which implied I had missed that.

I read you said in the game thread that XXXXXX will target Black Mask tonight, even if he has immunity to night kill? Or will you do a block+kill combo?

Ra's couldn't be killed, Brickdoctor couldn't be investigated. That's all I know so far. So, we'll give killing Brickdoctor a try.

So, as we can see, I missed the first part, and didn't know what you were talking about the second time. On top of that, I was specifically doing the block + kill combo you spoke of even though that still wouldn't work...

How's that for the full story?

A fear canister? Like the ones Crane gave out? The answer's simple then; tell us who all Crane gave his canisters to. He was a Criminal, so if he gave you a list of the people he gave them to, he was likely to have been telling the truth. (Although that's probably what you mean by saying that Hush could have done it.)

I don't think it was a fear canister. It came out in thread that I had a defensive ability, and I targeted none other than Black Mask, against my will. So, either it was a scum act on their part to help their man out, or a (for once) clever scum move to incriminate Black Mask. I have a hard time believing they did something clever though

In all fairness to Black Mask, all he told me was true. He did role-claimed to me on Day 2, and from then on we shared/coordinated night actions. Like what I've said, what raised my suspicion over him is the Creep's investigator's extreme difficulty in investigating Black Mask (for 2 night s if I remember correctly). I admit the case against Black Mask isn't very strong, and I'm just taking the Creeps word for it, which has led us successfully to consecutive undercover lynching so I have no reason to distrust him. But at this point where there is a "Scum" that surfaced, I'm not even sure if this is a Scum vs. Town set-up. All I know is this is a multi-scum faction ordeal, then this mission is completely f*cked up for the TRUE CRIMINALS like me, who'd only like to get all of this over with so we could claim our reward money.

Black Mask was investigated on two different nights by two different people, one of whom caught Zsasz. Both were unable to. Black Mask can't explain it.

We had one investigator (Riddler) who was outed early, and a few Criminals who were able steal Riddler's action before he died. So, actually, there are three investigators floating around, plus Black Mask's claim Add to that, he claimed to be blocked last night... But, I completed one of Joker's missions, and I was protected from kills, blocks, and redirections. Maybe Joker gave me special treatment that he didn't give Black Mask

So, it's circumstantial, but most of the people here have either been investigated, or actively helped take down scum, and Black Mask is the sore thumb sticking out. (Ivy a little but too, but first things first). My vote has nowhere else to go today, but if you folks have any leads...

And, as for my secret that Babydoll thinks I'm afraid of releasing, well, of course not on day seven I'm... wait for it... Independent! I have actually never claimed criminal in this game yet. I simply said I wasn't an agent. I think my role here was to mess you people's heads, I have a janitor role of sorts, but I never used it. I can also be unkillable at night, so I just made myself a lightning pole for town and hopefully wasted some of the scum night kills. I actually forget my win condition, but I just have to stay alive. If you guys want to lynch me for that, well, I wouldn't be surprised, actually

[Brickdoctor]

Add to that, he claimed to be blocked last night... But, I completed one of Joker's missions, and I was protected from kills, blocks, and redirections. Maybe Joker gave me special treatment that he didn't give Black Mask

Baby Doll can confirm that no mention was made of protection from blocks as a reward for completing the task, only protection from kills.

Besides, didn't you just say that you had an attempted Block-Kill combo performed on me? If that's what you were saying, then you know I was Blocked, or at least that someone tried to.

[XimenaPaulina]

A lovely day in Tantrum Gotham City Mafia

Honestly, I missed that.

No worries I understand. That's all I need to know - an honest to goodness answer. And it ain't a tantrum, it's called responding back with evidence spiced up with a little bit of teasing. No need to be sensitive about it.

So, it's circumstantial, but most of the people here have either been investigated, or actively helped take down scum, and Black Mask is the sore thumb sticking out. (Ivy a little but too, but first things first). My vote has nowhere else to go today, but if you folks have any leads...

I'm also leaning towards lynching Black Mask today, if no further leads surface up. Though Egghead brought up a possible alternative in Ivy, though I really sincerely hope that Mask is the last one of the scuma agents since this whole things is kinda getting... tiring already in the long run.

And, as for my secret that Babydoll thinks I'm afraid of releasing, well, of course not on day seven I'm... wait for it... Independent! I have actually never claimed criminal in this game yet. I simply said I wasn't an agent. I think my role here was to mess you people's heads, I have a janitor role of sorts, but I never used it. I can also be unkillable at night, so I just made myself a lightning pole for town and hopefully wasted some of the scum night kills. I actually forget my win condition, but I just have to stay alive. If you guys want to lynch me for that, well, I wouldn't be surprised, actually

That's why it's just a simple tease, I'm sure you understand it's something that wouldn't hurt your or the criminals cause at this stage isn't it? And like you said, it's freakin' Day 7, why not have some fun with some revelation here and there right?

Baby Doll can confirm that no mention was made of protection from blocks as a reward for completing the task, only protection from kills.

Yep, no mention of protection from blocks, only from night kills. But that doesn't alter the fact that we can't confirm your true allegiance through investigations like the others, so I'm afraid the only way we'll know is by lynching you. Sorry, that's just the way the cookie crumbles...

[Brickdoctor]

Yep, no mention of protection from blocks, only from night kills. But that doesn't alter the fact that we can't confirm your true allegiance through investigations like the others, so I'm afraid the only way we'll know is by lynching you. Sorry, that's just the way the cookie crumbles...

Yeah, I understand. I'd be doing the same thing were I in your place.

[WhiteFang]

There are lots of things to catch up today and it appears we had discovered more interesting information. Let's see what we can do from there today!

[Tamamono]

I don't think it was a fear canister. It came out in thread that I had a defensive ability, and I targeted none other than Black Mask, against my will. So, either it was a scum act on their part to help their man out, or a (for once) clever scum move to incriminate Black Mask. I have a hard time believing they did something clever though

Oh... Wasn't it already stated a few days ago that Two-Face has a redirection ability? Maybe he redirected you?

And, as for my secret that Babydoll thinks I'm afraid of releasing, well, of course not on day seven I'm... wait for it... Independent! I have actually never claimed criminal in this game yet. I simply said I wasn't an agent. I think my role here was to mess you people's heads, I have a janitor role of sorts, but I never used it. I can also be unkillable at night, so I just made myself a lightning pole for town and hopefully wasted some of the scum night kills. I actually forget my win condition, but I just have to stay alive. If you guys want to lynch me for that, well, I wouldn't be surprised, actually

Honestly, I don't think it matters. You've been helping us since the get-go, and if it wasn't for you, we would have never caught as many scum as we did. Generally, independents can win with the town or the scum, but there can't possibly be enough scum left for that to be a threat.

I'm also leaning towards lynching Black Mask today, if no further leads surface up. Though Egghead brought up a possible alternative in Ivy, though I really sincerely hope that Mask is the last one of the scuma agents since this whole things is kinda getting... tiring already in the long run.

Although Ivy's action still worries me, Mask is probably the best option for today. Pretty much everything he's said seems fine to me, but his immunity to investigations is extremely worrying.

[The Penguin]

Joker, is this a typo on your part?

Joker has nothing to do about that. And I am very careful about what I say. I wouldn't have become the leader of Gotham Underground if I were not. Waugh-waugh!

I know I have failed you miserably, Penguin, but if there is anything I can do to help our mission, just let me know.

Oh, I will. For now you can put some ice in my martini. And try not to freeze my hand this time!

Gentlemen and ladies (if there are any among you)! We're getting close and today I had a phone call from my Kaznian friends and they told me that the ambassador is ready to pay us..... a visit for now.

[ADHO15]

Voting has now begun!

There are 48 hours left of Day Seven.

[Tamamono]

Vote: Black Mask (Brickdoctor)

As has been said before, no townie would have immunity to investigation.

[TheBoyWonder]

Vote: Black Mask (Brickdoctor)

Because of univestigatible status, and mostly uncooperative behaviour!

[Brickdoctor]

and mostly uncooperative behaviour!

Uncooperative behavior? Uncooperative with what?

[Alopex]

Vote: Black Mask (Brickdoctor)

[TheBoyWonder]

Slightly uncooperative but a likely false investigator claim.

[Brickdoctor]

Slightly uncooperative but a likely false investigator claim.

I reiterate, uncooperative with what or whom? If anything, my claim has been completely cooperative. I allowed Baby Doll to dictate all my investigations after Night 1, up until last Night, when I decided on my own to investigate Hush but was blocked.

[TheBoyWonder]

I would like to ask, why did you target Hush?

And your results are probably wrong, as Babydoll came out as scum (in your results).

And uncooperative is probably the wrong word. Apologies.

But univestigatible is still a scum tell to me.

[Brickdoctor]

I would like to ask, why did you target Hush?

And your results are probably wrong, as Babydoll came out as scum (in your results).

Because he was a suspect from Yesterday and I didn't know he'd already been cleared by the Riddler.

No, they're not. I'm not insane. Have you been paying attention? I've gotten the same Town result as another investigator on multiple occasions. Either I get random results, the Scum have at least one sort of reverse-framer who's very very good at predicting targets for investigation, or Baby Doll was framed.

[TheBoyWonder]

A scum/undercover agent coul easily fake investigation resuls or make a false claim.