Bricksandparts Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) QM Note: You're still going to have to be more specific. Would you like to push the Aquamarine 11 times, and then push emerald 12 times, and then push the sapphire 12 times? OoC: If you put it that way, I think that it'll wake a difference, but sure I'll do it in that order. Edited January 28, 2012 by Bricksandparts
JimBee Posted January 28, 2012 Author Posted January 28, 2012 Alf pushes the aquamarine 11 times. It's path is as follows, starting from spot 2B: 1B 2B 1B 2B 1B 2B 1B 2B 1B 2B 1B He then tries moving the emerald and the sapphire, but neither are moving.
Bricksandparts Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) Ruby: A1, A3, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, aquamarine: B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, emerald: C1, sapphire: D1, Special: From what we know, Ruby will always try to go from A1 to A2 to A3 before it loops. From what we know, emerald and sapphire cannot move because something else is where they'd normally go. From what we know, aquamarine will always try to go from B1 to B2 before it loops. Currently: ___1___2___3_ A__________R_ B__A_________ C__E_________ D__S_________ Alf pushes in order of sequence: Ruby Emerald Sapphire If neither emerald or sapphire move, Alf pushes in order of sequence: Aquamarine Emerald Sapphire If either Emerald or Sapphire don't move, Alf knows that there is something else preventing the gems from moving (Based on known data). Edited January 28, 2012 by Bricksandparts
JimBee Posted January 28, 2012 Author Posted January 28, 2012 Alf pushes the Ruby, which moves to A1. He then pushes the emerald, which moves to C2. Finally, the sapphire moves to D3.
Bricksandparts Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 Ruby: A1, A3, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1 aquamarine: B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, emerald: C1, C2 sapphire: D1, D4 Special: From what we know, Ruby will always try to go from A1 to A2 to A3 before it loops. From what we know, aquamarine will always try to go from B1 to B2 before it loops. From what we know, emerald cannot move when Ruby is on A3, aquamarine is on B1, and sapphire is on D1. From what we know, Sapphire cannot move when Ruby is on A3, aquamarine is on B1, and emerald is on C1. Currently: ___1___2___3_ A__R_________ B__A_________ C_____E______ D__________S_ Alf, surprised it didn't move to where the ruby was, thinks about the problem. Alf pushes the emerald and sapphire in the following order: Emerald 11 times sapphire 11 times
JimBee Posted January 28, 2012 Author Posted January 28, 2012 QM Note: Big apology to you, Bricks. I messed up, the emerald and sapphire should not have moved the last time. So as is everything is in it's original position in column 1.
Bricksandparts Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 OoC: No problem, I made some mistakes on my quest. Ruby: A1, A3, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1 Aquamarine: B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, Emerald: C1, Sapphire: D1, Special: From what we know, Ruby will always try to go from A1 to A2 to A3 before it loops. From what we know, aquamarine will always try to go from B1 to B2 before it loops. From what we know, emerald cannot move when Ruby is on A3, aquamarine is on B1, and sapphire is on D1. (Possibly) From what we know, Sapphire cannot move when Ruby is on A3, aquamarine is on B1, and emerald is on C1. (Possibly) Currently: ___1___2___3_ A__R_________ B__A_________ C__E_________ D__S_________ Alf pushes the emerald and sapphire in the following order: Ruby Emerald Sapphire Aquamarine Emerald Sapphire Aquamarine Emerald Sapphire
JimBee Posted January 29, 2012 Author Posted January 29, 2012 Alf tries the following: Ruby moves to A2 Emerald doesn't move Sapphire doesn't move Aquamarine moves to B3 Emerald doesn't move Sapphire doesn't move Aquamarine moves to B1 Emerald doesn't move Sapphire doesn't move
Bricksandparts Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) Ruby:________A1, A3, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, Aquamarine:__B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, Emerald:_____C1, Sapphire:____D1, Special: From what we know, Ruby will always try to go from A1 to A2 to A3 before it loops. From what we know, aquamarine will always try to go from B1 to B2 before it loops. From what we know, emerald cannot move when Ruby is on A3, aquamarine is on B1, and sapphire is on D1. (Possibly) From what we know, Sapphire cannot move when Ruby is on A3, aquamarine is on B1, and emerald is on C1. (Possibly) Currently: ___1___2___3_ A_____R______ B__A_________ C__E_________ D__S_________ Alf pushes in order of sequence: (R=Ruby - A=Aquamarine - E=Emerald - S=Sapphire) R E S R E S R A E S R E S R E S After somehow solving math as a barbarian, Alf gets up from writing on the piece of parchment and goes over to open the door, hopefully... Edited January 29, 2012 by Bricksandparts
JimBee Posted January 29, 2012 Author Posted January 29, 2012 The ruby moves to A3. The emerald and sapphire do not move. The ruby moves to A1. The emerald and sapphire do not move. The ruby moves to A2, and the Aquamarine moves to B3. The emerald and sapphire do not move. The ruby moves to A3. The emerald moves to C2. The sapphire does not move. The ruby moves to A1, and the emerald and sapphire do not move. The door does not open.
Bricksandparts Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) Ruby:________A1, A3, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1 Aquamarine:__B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2 Emerald:_____C1, C2, Sapphire:____D1, Special: From what we know, Ruby will always try to go from A1 to A2 to A3 before it loops. From what we know, aquamarine will always try to go from B1 to B2 before it loops. Currently: ___1___2___3_ A__R_________ B_________A__ C_____E______ D__S_________ Alf pushes in order of sequence: (R=Ruby - A=Aquamarine - E=Emerald - S=Sapphire) R R E S S S E S S S E S S S Edited January 29, 2012 by Bricksandparts
JimBee Posted January 29, 2012 Author Posted January 29, 2012 QM Note: The gems are in this position: ___1___2___3_ A__R_________ B__________A_ C______E_____ D__S_________
Bricksandparts Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 QM Note: The gems are in this position: ___1___2___3_ A__R_________ B__________A_ C______E_____ D__S_________ OoC: Oops! Forgot to change that.
JimBee Posted January 29, 2012 Author Posted January 29, 2012 The ruby moves from A1 to A2 to A3. The emerald moves to C1. The sapphire doesn't move. The emerald moves to C2. The sapphire doesn't move. The emerald moves to C1. The sapphire doesn't move. QM Note: I appreciate the hard work you're putting into this, Bricks. It's not an easy puzzle. Think about the relationships of the adjacent elements.
Bricksandparts Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 Ruby:________A1, A3, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1, A2, A3, A1 Aquamarine:__B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B2, B1, B3 Emerald:_____C1, C2, C1, C2, C1 Sapphire:____D1, Moves (Hypothesis): Ruby: Always? Aquamarine: Always? Emerald: When Ruby and Aquamarine are in column 3 Sapphire: Unknown (has not yet moved) Currently: ___1___2___3__ A__________R__ B__________A__ C__E__________ D__S__________ OoC: This is a really complex problem. I don't think anyone in the party would actually have been able to solve it. I'm having a really hard time and I love math problems and brain teasers. Let me work everything out. Alf thinks back to the list at the magic shop in the market place: Alf sits on the ground and writes his formulas on the parchment.
JimBee Posted January 29, 2012 Author Posted January 29, 2012 QM Note: There is a distinct pattern. Trying every possible combination with brute force will not help you. Think about the elements, and think about what can go where. Remember, the frog is there too...
Bricksandparts Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 AL thinks about a relationship between the elements. then decides to see why the aquamarine went to B3 instead of what it did before. He also wonders why the ruby was moving strangely at the start. Alf walks over to the Alexis and the frog. "Alexis, could you ask frog if he knows how the Emerald moves. Ask if anything else he knows to help us." Alf writes what he believes about the elements. Fire (Ruby) opposes Water (Aquamarine) Wood (Emerald) opposes Water (Aquamarine) Wind (Sapphire) opposes ??? Alf continues trying to figure out the movements of the elements. A A A R A A A R A A A S E A A A
JimBee Posted January 29, 2012 Author Posted January 29, 2012 The aquamarine doesn't move. The ruby moves to A1. The aquamarine moves to B2. The ruby moves to A2. The sapphire doesn't move. The emerald moves to C3. The aquamarine doesn't move. "Ribbit. All I know is that you have to move all the gems from one side to the other, ribbit. I think...maybe that's why the ruby moved there first, ribbit."
Sandy Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 "You're doing great, Alf, I believe we are close to solving the puzzle. I think we must push them one by one in a specific order so that all four gems will move to the other side of this wall. Let's see about the elements, if they'll give us a hint... Water (aquamarine) douses fire (ruby), fire burns wood (emerald), wood drinks water... Now how does the wind-elemental sapphire fit into this pattern? Any ideas?"
Quarryman Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 "You're doing great, Alf, I believe we are close to solving the puzzle. I think we must push them one by one in a specific order so that all four gems will move to the other side of this wall. Let's see about the elements, if they'll give us a hint... Water (aquamarine) douses fire (ruby), fire burns wood (emerald), wood drinks water... Now how does the wind-elemental sapphire fit into this pattern? Any ideas?" "Only thing I can think of is that wind makes water move.. " "I guess it's possible that the Sapphire won't move until we have all the other gems in the third column? Maybe?" "But yes, I think we're onto something here, and Alf has done a great job with his tireless attempts at making the gems move, so maybe it's now time for me to make an attempt." Namyrra pushes the gems in this order: E S R S A S (OoC: whatever happened to the gems we inserted into the pedestals? Did they fall on the ground or something? )
JimBee Posted January 29, 2012 Author Posted January 29, 2012 Starting form this position: ___1___2___3__ A______R______ B______A______ C__E__________ D__S__________ Namrrya moves the gems. The emerald moves to C3. The sapphire doesn't move. The ruby moves to A3. The sapphire doesn't move. The aquamarine moves to B1. The sapphire doesn't move.
Quarryman Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 Starting form this position: ___1___2___3__ A______R______ B______A______ C__E__________ D__S__________ Namrrya moves the gems. The emerald moves to C3. The sapphire doesn't move. The ruby moves to A3. The sapphire doesn't move. The aquamarine moves to B1. The sapphire doesn't move. "Right, this should be doable." Namyrra makes another attempt, this time pushing the gems in this order: A S
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