Siegfried Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 I love Ninjago. I hope it lasts forever. Sure it's unbelievable, but that's part of the charm. Besides, the last one was hardly realistic. For one, the classic ninjas probably never actually existed, but also look at the sets... Flying? (This isn't the only one with a glider.) Flame thrower? "Shanghai Surprise." Shanghai? ...and why are the Samurai's on the same side? I can go on. Personally I think the Ninjago "this is not even close to reality" is much better than the old "close but confusing". I'm seriously disturbed about constant tries of people trying to provoke others and start an arguement in this topic, can't some mods or admins do something about it? What are you proposing; per-emptive banning? I just made a post on this today and I have no problem with any of the posts afterward. Quote
Matej_Emperor Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Well guys you have quite good statements, and it is quite true. But if I have child I would never buy him a Ninjago set. I believe that for every kid is more suitable some more friendly and constructive things, maybe like old castle and western, with lot of space to build something on your own with simplier and more basic bricks. Playing with other kids is always a competiton for young boy, but that competiton shouldn't be some sort of fighting area, it just can be building better building, vehicle etc. Ninjago isn't creative, it is not creative at all. Just look those flying vehicles and that last boat. They are using very complicated techniques in order to get perfect shape. There is smaller amount of basic bricks which are most usable in kids creations. Their mind cannot build shapes in 3D so realistic, especially machines, boats, planes etc, so SNOT technique isn't quite usable. In sets there are just battle scenes between some machines and few minifgs, there isn't any creative stuff. So we can see that main point in those sets isn't creating and building, it is fight. Maybe I am sounding like some old nanny, but it is true. Also young kids are egocentric (egocentric is not the same as egoistic), they are expecting that everyone should see as they see things around them. They are unexperienced so they cannot understand books and movies like LoTR, Harry Potter etc. For me they are good books to spent time, but they have no impact on my mental health. For kids, themes like LoTR (and here ninjago) are quite disturbing. Maybe there will be no consenquences in future mental health for child that has been reading such books, and playing with some violent toys, but I don't think they are suitable for them. Yeah, and people (and parents) like this theme. Someone said that Ninjago is best-seller theme last Christmas, but that is for me quite upsetting. Kids are now playing more violently, a lot of kids are using computer since they early age and all the time they playing cruel games. Old ways of playing, like building some castles, houses etc. helps developing kids mind, they becoming more interested in simplier math (they count lego slopes to get better shape :) ) and constructing. Quote
Siegfried Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Well guys you have quite good statements, and it is quite true. But if I have child I would never buy him a Ninjago set. I believe that for every kid is more suitable some more friendly and constructive things, maybe like old castle and western, with lot of space to build something on your own with simplier and more basic bricks. I tried that as a father, but I was naive. I told my kids "no guns" and gave them neutral LEGO. So what did my boy do? He made a gun out of basic LEGO. I told him don't do it again, and he didn't, but I then found him with sticks outside using them as guns... My advice? Give them what they want (within reason ) and offer guidance about what's real and what's not. It's not hard to explain what's so un-real about Ninjago. (Plus ninjas don't exist, and probably never did.) Western? Western is a historical and bloody fact. Western toys are one of the things my boy will never get... Quote
Aanchir Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Ninjago isn't creative, it is not creative at all. Just look those flying vehicles and that last boat. They are using very complicated techniques in order to get perfect shape. There is smaller amount of basic bricks which are most usable in kids creations. Their mind cannot build shapes in 3D so realistic, especially machines, boats, planes etc, so SNOT technique isn't quite usable. In sets there are just battle scenes between some machines and few minifgs, there isn't any creative stuff. So we can see that main point in those sets isn't creating and building, it is fight. Maybe I am sounding like some old nanny, but it is true. I disagree. I think there's plenty of creative building in the Ninjago sets. The dragons are definitely very creative, and use lots of basic parts. Maybe not as much as a Creator set would, but the head pieces are the only ones that are "<insert that tiresome argument>", whereas even the wings are built with relatively simple parts that can be used in numerous ways. Meanwhile, there's plenty creative about the skeleton and snake vehicles. The sculpted skulls in last year's sets and the sculpted snake heads in this year's sets almost entirely depend on basic parts for their overall shapes. The vehicles themselves are also almost completely devoid of juniorizaton, using lots of simple pieces like the old dinosaur tails in very creative ways. The Fire Temple set uses about as many basic parts as many Castle sets from the 80s and early 90s. The Ninja vehicle sets this year have imaginative functions that tend to rely on fairly basic hinge pieces. Now, I may not be a reliable authority on this as I think a lot of accusations of "juniorization" in today's sets are exaggerated, but I think that for the most part juniorization is a crime that the Ninjago sets are not guilty of. Also young kids are egocentric (egocentric is not the same as egoistic), they are expecting that everyone should see as they see things around them. They are unexperienced so they cannot understand books and movies like LoTR, Harry Potter etc. For me they are good books to spent time, but they have no impact on my mental health. For kids, themes like LoTR (and here ninjago) are quite disturbing. Maybe there will be no consenquences in future mental health for child that has been reading such books, and playing with some violent toys, but I don't think they are suitable for them. That's a common and understandable perspective, but I think if there were serious problems with kids reading books like Harry Potter and The Lord of the Rings we would have seen those problems lead to major changes in society by now. You claim that children today are more violent-minded and aggressive, but you don't offer any research to back up that claim. It's the same "moral panic" mentality that was proposed regarding everything from rock music to marbles in the past, and while it's easy to fall into that trap sometimes you need to step back and recognize that not much has actually changed as a result of these supposed risks. Yeah, and people (and parents) like this theme. Someone said that Ninjago is best-seller theme last Christmas, but that is for me quite upsetting. Kids are now playing more violently, a lot of kids are using computer since they early age and all the time they playing cruel games.Old ways of playing, like building some castles, houses etc. helps developing kids mind, they becoming more interested in simplier math (they count lego slopes to get better shape :) ) and constructing. This thing about kids "all the time playing cruel games" is exactly the sort of moral-panic mentality I'm talking about. The truth is, there are a lot of kids who play video games designed for older gamers, but at the same time there are a lot of kids who don't. And the research has pretty consistently shown that playing violent video games doesn't change people's personality or behavior except perhaps in the half-hour after playing them. Instead, kids and adults who are aggressively-minded to begin with stay such whether or not they play violent video games, even if aggressively-minded individuals might be more likely to seek out such games in the first place. Before video games, people blamed television, music, or books for the moral decay they saw in children. But as far as I can tell this moral decay was not based on any of these things, and furthermore was never a firm reality. Quote
Lance Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 I tried that as a father, but I was naive. I told my kids "no guns" and gave them neutral LEGO. So what did my boy do? He made a gun out of basic LEGO. I told him don't do it again, and he didn't, but I then found him with sticks outside using them as guns... My advice? Give them what they want (within reason ) and offer guidance about what's real and what's not. It's not hard to explain what's so un-real about Ninjago. (Plus ninjas don't exist, and probably never did.) Western? Western is a historical and bloody fact. Western toys are one of the things my boy will never get... I agree with you on that, Sieg. The thing is, kids have enough historical and factual stuff at school (and 98 percent of kids hate school). I guess the point I'm trying to make is: The more fictional, the better And Ninjago is certainly no exception. LEGO is about creativity. Ninjago is shoe exetreme creativity. The pirates vs ninja idea would be nice, as it would return classic pirates. Quote
Perry the Platypus Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Now that I've read most of this thread, I can say that Ninjago is one of the most creative LEGO themes, story-wise. I mean, spinnig ninjas in vehicles. It's completely unrealistic, but it is just the kind of thing kids want. If you think thi theme is violent, that is like saying themes like Castle were violent. LEGO realizes it's target audience, and the company knows what type of sets they ar making. As a parent of two (and soon to be free), I care what my kids play with, but I'm not too protective. If kids role-play a bot violently, let them do it. Kids are kids. You don't have to buy something you don't like, but in Ninjago's defense, what is not to like about it? That is what confuses me wig some people here. If you don't like Ninjago, don't post. Quote
turtleman2020 Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 To everyone here who doesn't like Ninjago We understand you hate Ninjago. So why are you on a Ninjago thread. Go back to a thread about one of your nonviolent themes. Quote
Aanchir Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 C'mon guys. I don't think it's fair to say people who don't like Ninjago shouldn't post here. They might have just as much to say about the future of Ninjago as anyone else. With that said, the discussion has kind of veered off topic from "talking about what you expect in the future of Ninjago" to "talking about what you like or dislike about Ninjago in the present". Quote
Vindicare Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 It seems to me that Ninjago is here to stay. Look at it's longevity already, it's current wave is it's third(?) I think. That's a lot longer than any other action theme as long as I've been collecting('07). I'm not a very big fan of this theme, I do own a few, and think overall the theme is just weird. Not my cup 'o tea. Quote
SilvaShado Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 I really hope Ninjago sticks around for a while. Not just for me, but for the kids. One of my coworkers' son loves Ninjago, but he doesn't follow the storyline, he creates his own. Around Christmas, he had three of the ninjas and one of the skeletons. The ninjas were actually protecting the skeleton because the skeleton was all boney and not strong enough to fight. So the ninjas fought for him. See... it can be as creative as parents allow their kids to make it. When my coworker told me the story, I had this huge smile on my face because it was so touching how his son had interpreted the characters. Quote
GeluNumber1 Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) Now, to steer this topic back on track... I'm hoping Ninjago becomes Pirates Vs. the current ninjas. The pirates have both land and sea vehicles, with some sort of cannon that captures spinjitsu powers. The ninjas, of course, will have their swords and some land/sea vehicles, maybe with a new sword mold and the green ninja named. They're battling for a cache of gems, which will unlock the new power of Plasma. But that's just my humble idea... Edited January 28, 2012 by GeluNumber1 Quote
Arigomi Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 The storyline hinted at the possibly of the dragons returning but in new forms. It would be nice to see new sets with all of the dragons redesigned. Quote
SoupOrFishOil Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 The storyline hinted at the possibly of the dragons returning but in new forms. It would be nice to see new sets with all of the dragons redesigned. I wonder if that was a hint to the "epic" dragon coming out in the Summer... Quote
LEGOman273 Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 I wonder if that was a hint to the "epic" dragon coming out in the Summer... It was. They mentioned that the dragons would undergo a "transformation". Quote
SilvaShado Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 Now, to steer this topic back on track... I'm hoping Ninjago becomes Pirates Vs. the current ninjas. The pirates have both land and sea vehicles, with some sort of cannon that captures spinjitsu powers. The ninjas, of course, will have their swords and some land/sea vehicles, maybe with a new sword mold and the green ninja named. They're battling for a cache of gems, which will unlock the new power of Plasma. But that's just my humble idea... Very cool! I like this idea, that the pirates are trying to steal the powers of the ninjas. And A cache of gems would be awesome! I really hope it is Pirates next. Quote
LEGOman273 Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) Very cool! I like this idea, that the pirates are trying to steal the powers of the ninjas. And A cache of gems would be awesome! I really hope it is Pirates next. I would prefer something a little more. . . special, than just gems. Edited January 29, 2012 by Legoman273 Quote
zewy623 Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 How about crystals then. Crystals are more special then the gem pieces. Quote
LEGOman273 Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 How about crystals then. Crystals are more special then the gem pieces. How about crystal weapons? Quote
Flipz Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 How about crystal weapons? THIS. :thumbup: If we can't get the ice weapons from the Slither Pit, then at least give us these next year! Quote
zewy623 Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 How about a crystal ninja? With crystal weapons and a crystal dragon. Quote
LEGOman273 Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 How about a crystal ninja? With crystal weapons and a crystal dragon. No. Because TLG can't make a transparent minifig. Quote
SilvaShado Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 I think crystals would be great! Crystal weapons would be awesome. Though I think it would also be neat if they invented something new, a new mold. Not exactly sure what, but they've been making some awesome new weapon molds. I'm not sure a transparent minifigure would work either. If they didn't already have the white ninja, they could use white for a crystal ninja, but oh well. I still think they should make the pink ninja. That'd be hilarious. Quote
LEGOman273 Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 How about: A long time ago, there were five elemental crystals. These crystals were made into weapons, and hidden in shrines around Ninjago. The NRG ninja must find these weapons before _____ does. If they fail, Ninjago will be destroyed. Quote
zewy623 Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 Ok by crystal ninja, I meant like a normal ninja with crystal armor, or make the printing effects look like its light shining through crystals. Quote
surrideo Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 Ok by crystal ninja, I meant like a normal ninja with crystal armor, or make the printing effects look like its light shining through crystals. Crystals don't have to be colourless either. Lego have definitely done accessories and bricks before that have colour and are see through. A ninja with a transparent ninja headdress and chosen colour/silver decal'd torso and legs would look good Quote
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