def Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Since it's possible you're telling the truth, I will Unvote: Patrick Fitzwilliam (def). If you are really a virgin, and that really is the win condition for the cultists, it would be a mistake to sacrifice you. Instead, I will Vote: Jennifer Taylor (Sandy). After our initial little sillyness with stating you'd just vote for whoever got voted first, you hopped on the Farago bandwagon and then the Fitzwilliam bandwagon when it appeared that both were going to be the sacrificial lamb. I think this is a scummy move. Voting for me late, unvoting me quickly, and then throwing your vote away on Taylor (who certainly has been of no help whatsoever other than her helpful, condescending lecture showing me the error of my ways ). You can't really care about the truth of my statements if you won't make a move to save me This is a legitimate Finger of Shame aimed at you for your behavior today. Okay, I wanna get this out of your system for you. I'm not scum, tell me what I have done thats so so scummy today then? Since your the only one who seems to be the only one accusing me? Actually, in the post you quoted, I wrote, and I quote, "Hugh Janus is most certainly scummy, or just devoid of all smarts whatsoever, or possibly both." I think we have confirmation of one of these points here, based on your comprehension level of the conjunction 'or'. While we are all in the questioning mood, I take it then that you are not satisfied by Mr. Fitzwilliam's defense? I haven't made up my mind either way, but I am rather put off by his not answering my question Which question? I had a pile of people haranguing me with requests to explain/justify/etc. etc. If it hasn't been answered in any of my obscenely long and amassing posts, feel free to PM me. It seems, other than with one person who I won't mention here, that those I've dealt with in PM have been able to have smooth, amicable communication, which, after all, isn't that what we're all really seeking? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anyway, whether I'm lynched or not, I think things will work out for the best I've let you know something important about the nature of our situation, and hopefully it will help steer us in the proper direction. I will rest easy, as time confirms me as truly, the towniest of towns Way to go not insulting the intelligence of the innocents who are voting for you. Stating the facts is not meant to be an insult. I apologize if you feel slighted by that. My town-leaning behavior is unquestionably clear in my mind, in an objective way. So you didn't know what the cultists' win condition was - you were guessing. A guess that I'm more inclined to believe than your earlier stated "fact". Funny how that works. No. I simply knew they had an unstated, AKA secret, target, and that I had a secret role with no active abilities. So, you can call it guessing, I call it putting two and two together. Although, you quote the word "fact", and I said nothing of the sorts. I just checked. I made a statement about the type of game this is, and said Ra told me, in the same idiomatic use of, "You could say a little bird told me." http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/bird little bird told me Fig. a way of indicating that you do not want to reveal who told you something. (Sometimes used playfully, when you think that the person you are addressing knows or can guess who was the source of your information.) Ra, coincidentally being a bird. Of course, I suppose you could claim I meant it as a fact, but it seems like a guess on your part, doesn't it? I guess when you look silly for being one of the ones who pushed me into a corner and made me reveal more than should have been needed, it makes you feel better to put the blame on me. It's my fault I didn't state the info in the way it should have. My fault, not yours I'm so sorry to all you people who I've caused so much turmoil today. What a bastard I've been Any one else want to blame me for the way they're acting? I'll take full responsibility. After all, if it's not my fault other people here are flailing about, who's could it be?
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Well, Patrick, at least we seem to now know what the Cultists want. Hopefully this knowledge will help us in combating the scum. I have to agree that this paints a rather large target on you. If you truly are one of us and didn't make this up from Cultist knowledge, I hope you'll live long enough for us to win this thing.
XimenaPaulina Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 I have to agree that this paints a rather large target on you. If you truly are one of us and didn't make this up from Cultist knowledge, I hope you'll live long enough for us to win this thing. Which would make sense for the doctor to give Mr. Fitzvulnerable protection tonight so we could somehow verify if his claim as a Virgin is true tomorrow or in the coming days. Just a humble suggestion once again from this greasy engineer, in case the doctor hasn't thought of it yet.
Hinckley Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 I have been working with people (some in private), but you acted like colossal knobend for two days straight, so I don't feel like working with you personally. That's all. Feel free to post more private messages from me where I already explained to you that I don't feel like dealing with you for the time being. I didn't mean me, I meant working with the Town. At least I know you're that obsessed with yourself that you think everything's about you. The suspicion came over how you claimed to know it one second and were theorizing the next. And then refusing to answer valid concerns from people. Not just me, you were clear you were done talking to me. But how does spitting on everyone else who expressed concern help?? There was no reason to be that specific about your role. And no reason to completely spill how you knew. The Virgins are supposed to keep their status secret. Why would you blab it so freely on the first day? Because you can't see the game past your ego. Nothing wrong with saying "It's something I deduced from conversations in private with other players." instead of "If you think I'm Scum for revealing this then you're either stupid or Scum or don't know how to play." See the difference? You may be Town, but I question your moves so far. Revealing too much, being too cryptic. Nobody's asking anybody to "make friends". Having a shitty attitude isn't helpful because it turns away people that might be able to work with you. Congratulations, you're smart, but maybe you could learn some better social game play, even being the Mafia Genius that you are.
Professor Flitwick Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Bhaa-haa-haa! Don't worry Pizwilliam, I have the most votes. Well it appears it's curtains for this old timer, eh-what? Ah such a corking life, fighting the fuzzie-wuzzies in Sudan, squashed the pygmies of Mboto Gorge, and giving the Hun a damn good thrashing at the Somme! I'm sure there's a little filly at the end of the line for me, eh-what? Bhaa-haa-haa! But, now I must confess something to you all. I'm a dreadful gossip. I'm so very nosy, that I decided that come night time, I would sneak around and determine if someone was virgin. I'm not sure of the accuracy of my virgin-hypothesis in this enviroment, and as such I haven't told anyone about my skill (save for right now, ho-ho-ho!), as I knew that when I found a virgin, I could potentially find other confirmed innocents through them, not to mention I could contact those innocence would be proved in the coming days. Just a spiffingly shame that I won't get to, dontcha know? I realise you would believe me, especially just after someone just asked for a Virgin confirmer, but hopefully you'll believe me come the morning.
Hinckley Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Unvote: William Fitzpatrick (def) Shouldn't we instead of voting for Goodenarde look at the people who very suspiciously came out of hiding just to add votes to def's conviction? After I voted, Shaq Attack (Wuntin) and potty-mouth Huge Anus (Eskallon) swooped in pretty fast to vote along. Odd considering Shaq didn't have much to add and had passed over several other conviction and the enormous butthole hadn't done much either except attack Fitzdef. If Fitzdef is innocent, these lurking vote jumpers are worth careful consideration. If nobody agrees, I'll happily add my vote to the Good and Hard train.
def Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Bhaa-haa-haa! Don't worry Pizwilliam, I have the most votes. Well it appears it's curtains for this old timer, eh-what? Ah such a corking life, fighting the fuzzie-wuzzies in Sudan, squashed the pygmies of Mboto Gorge, and giving the Hun a damn good thrashing at the Somme! I'm sure there's a little filly at the end of the line for me, eh-what? Bhaa-haa-haa! But, now I must confess something to you all. I'm a dreadful gossip. I'm so very nosy, that I decided that come night time, I would sneak around and determine if someone was virgin. I'm not sure of the accuracy of my virgin-hypothesis in this enviroment, and as such I haven't told anyone about my skill (save for right now, ho-ho-ho!), as I knew that when I found a virgin, I could potentially find other confirmed innocents through them, not to mention I could contact those innocence would be proved in the coming days. Just a spiffingly shame that I won't get to, dontcha know? I realise you would believe me, especially just after someone just asked for a Virgin confirmer, but hopefully you'll believe me come the morning. I suspected there would be a role like this, and just mentioned it to someone in PM. It's a shame if you are to go. The timing on your reveal is sketchy, especially since you didn't vote for me earlier, when you should have been a little more aggressively self-preservational. Hmm. I'm on the fence about this, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and hope that some tracker or role cop can follow you tonight. If you're telling the truth, you'll be likely blocked tonight. Regardless, it's better to be safe than sorry. Unvote: Roger Goodenarde (Professor Flitwick) Vote: Penelope Farago (Waterbrick Down) Sorry Penelope, if it comes to you. I don't know that you are a better candidate, but I have to take a claim as it's made at this point
Rick Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 But, now I must confess something to you all. Considering this... perhaps predictable claim... Shouldn't we instead of voting for Goodenarde look at the people who very suspiciously came out of hiding just to add votes to def's conviction? I agree we have to look at alternatives.
Hinckley Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Reviewing further, Nadir the pooper scooper and Ms. Stool, the poopsy twins also came in pretty quickly. Nadir hadn't read the rules or the thread enough to know that most votes convicted. Perhaps he was just scanning for good votes? Fitzdef is a strong player and if a strong case was made against him, the Scum may have tried to jump in line to get him out of our midst...if he is, in fact, what he claims to be. The only thing that bugs me about his wounded ego act is that claiming Virgin could save him from his slip-ups of his weird vote flip-flop and his odd claim about knowing the Scum win condition. I still find his behavior around that incident odd, as I've thoroughly explained so I'll not bother again... Just something to keep in mind. The martyr revelation that just cleared him in most people's eyes could still be a cover up tactic for his true cultist affiliation...or maybe I'm just getting paranoid in my old age. But, now I must confess something to you all. I'm a dreadful gossip. I'm so very nosy, that I decided that come night time, I would sneak around and determine if someone was virgin. I'm not sure of the accuracy of my virgin-hypothesis in this enviroment, and as such I haven't told anyone about my skill (save for right now, ho-ho-ho!), as I knew that when I found a virgin, I could potentially find other confirmed innocents through them, not to mention I could contact those innocence would be proved in the coming days. Just a spiffingly shame that I won't get to, dontcha know? I realise you would believe me, especially just after someone just asked for a Virgin confirmer, but hopefully you'll believe me come the morning. Who would this help??? The virgins are supposed to keep their status secret so how would it help the Town to know who the virgins are? It would only help the Scum. Someone help me out on this. Is there a valid reason the Town would need to know who the Virgins are? If there's a protector, sure, there's good reason for the Town to know, but a flavor cop knowing...doesn't mean the protector would then know. They'd have to hook up and how? How do they verify themselves to each other? It seems a stretch that we would have a Virgin flavor cop unless he needed to kill them all. Someone please help me out if my reasoning has skipped over something.
Professor Flitwick Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 I suspected there would be a role like this, and just mentioned it to someone in PM. It's a shame if you are to go. The timing on your reveal is sketchy, especially since you didn't vote for me earlier, when you should have been a little more aggressively self-preservational. Bhaa-haa-haa! Why would I of revealed it earlier, when there was only a four votes against me? It would've given the cultists valuable information to early on. I only revealed it when I was clearly in the front lines for being sacrificed; only then would the reveal of vital information have been necessary. And, I chose to be more passive, as I believed being aggressive would cause undue attention. As you can see, a fat lot of good that did! Bhaa-haa-haa!
XimenaPaulina Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 In light of Roger's claim and in the interest of preserving a potential useful town role (if proven correct), I shall: Unvote: Roger Goodenarde (Professor Flitwick) and Vote: Penelope Farago (Waterbrick Down) Among three that I've voted, Penelope was the only one who didn't claim a useful role. It's not her fault really, but I just have to give a chance to those who claim something. Sorry Ms. Farago.
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 For now I will Unvote: Roger Goodenarde (Professor Flitwick) . I'll have to look through the day again and think about it before placing a new vote.
def Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Considering this... perhaps predictable claim... Yeah... If I'd been around earlier, I might have been able to see if he'd been checking in, then taking the time to consult with others to get his story straight. But I wasn't. The details of it sound convoluted enough to be believable, but only just. I think he needs to receive some sort of investigating, or if someone wants to make a counter-claim and call him a liar, (preferably to someone they deem trustworthy in private) now would be a great time. Unfortunately, I'm going off to bed now. I have spent to much of my time on this, day one. Mercifully, I might hope to not survive much longer. It would prevent me from having to scroll through any more sermons
Hinckley Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 I'm so sorry to all you people who I've caused so much turmoil today. What a bastard I've been Any one else want to blame me for the way they're acting? I'll take full responsibility. After all, if it's not my fault other people here are flailing about, who's could it be? Oh Dear Ra. Sorry, I didn't see this before I posted, clarifying yet again my problems with your behavior. I'm sorry for stressing you out and hurting your feelings. Now we're in love! But when you said Ra told you, I took it to mean God which usually means the host. See why I was all crazy megablocks suspicious of that. Your explanation makes sense. You even used a visual and a definition! Goodenarde, could you clarify? Are you a virgin flavor cop or a virgin mason?
Waterbrick Down Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Well as it seems the train may be coming my way and I have to leave for work in 5 minutes see to getting lunch, I'm going to have to make my last statements probably now. If we are all not voting for Mr. Fitzwilliam's conviction because we are presuming he is innocent (or at least too important to kill now) then I would ask that you review my earlier defense for my previous actions as this actually strengthens my defense (i.e. the point being that if I'm a Cultist you need to assume that I'm looking for virgins to kill/sacrifice and thus why again would I step into the middle of two potential virgins when they could just kill each other off.) Oh and if it is any convenience, I am not a virgin but my abilities are also useful if we want to go to roleclaiming that, as now the real Cultists have a chance to block either the Captain or myself, but as I don't have time I have to make that claim as well. So there, both the Captain and I have made ability claims so I would ask you take a look who has made a better defense as so many of you have commented. If you don't want to take down either of us I still suggest that we look at voting off one of the quieter ones, or even Ms. Taylor as if you will remember some of her past comments/stratagy, she has been trying to avoid taking blame whom ever she votes for. I'll try to be back before the end of the vote and say more but work lunch is calling.
Rufus Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Vote Tally Ophelia Balls (fhomess): 1 vote (Professor Flitwick) Ishaq Ettaq (Wuntin): 1 vote (ADHO15) Roger Goodenarde (Professor Flitwick): 4 votes (Scubacarrot, Brickdoctor, Tamamono, WhiteFang) Penelope Farago (Waterbrick Down): 4 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Zepher, def, KielDaMan) Fr Thomas Thomson (Ricecracker): 1 vote (Waterbrick Down) Gordon Bennett (KielDaMan): 1 vote (Fugazi) Jennifer Taylor (Sandy): 2 votes (Cecilie, fhomess) Patrick Fitzwilliam (def): 3 votes (CallMePieOrDie, JimButcher, Sandy) Four hours remain of Day One.
Professor Flitwick Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Goodenarde, could you clarify? Are you a virgin flavor cop or a virgin mason? Flavour cop. Each night I can find out whether or not somebody is a virgin.
Hinckley Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 There is a reason to have a virgin flavor cop, in case we want to check people who are claiming to be virgins. Got it. And as someone pointed out to me, by PM, so that at least one townie knows who not to lynch. Took me a minute to think of it. Just because you're a Virgin doesnt make you the target of the scum! Before you all jump on the wagon and believe him, I thought I would bring some attention to you. Being a Virgin is a good thing! Okay, I dont know the importance of virgins and not virgins, but what I do know is that being a Virgin isn't likely gonna make you the target of the scum. I am to believe its even a good thing. I suggest we unvote him for now. Anyway if he is correct in his thinking that they are hunting the virgins, then he will be dead tonight anyway. Unvote: Patrick Fitzwilliam (def) Okay, I wanna get this out of your system for you. I'm not scum, tell me what I have done thats so so scummy today then? Since your the only one who seems to be the only one accusing me? If this is the specific sacrifice then I'm screwed being here, thats why I know its not. Besides it doesn't really matter for Patrick any more, if this is the specific sacrifice he will be killed by the cultists tonight, if not then tomorrow night, or the next. The scum wont not kill him if they know he is one step closer to them winning. Im sorry, but you guys are gonna have to trust me, I know little, but what I do know is that if the Virgins are to be the hunted ones, then it condemns me anyway. I unvoted Patrick because I believe him to be innocent because of what he revealed to us about himself being a Virgin... Its hard for me to talk in the open about this, if anyone wants to get some more information, then maybe in private I will speak to you later. Only four hours? Where does the time go? Oh right, pissing match. Reviewing the three statements of Huge Anus above, I'm tempted to vote for him. In it I see a pathetic attempt to pre-clear himself as Town to all of us and a bizarre attempt and throwing some confusion into a valid theory about the Scum's win condition. Do you guys see it? Or am I imagining it? I have time to change it but for now vote: Hugh Janus (Eskallon) If my suspicion is wrong and Enormous Butthole is town, than he is just a big weirdo.
Professor Flitwick Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Both Ms. Fago and I seem to have a valuable night actions, and both of our necks are on the firing line. I wouldn't like to think we would be condemning a person with a useful night action to their death, so I feel we should move towards sacrificing somebody else, at least until the alibis of myself and Ms. Fago are confirmed. Unvote:Ophelia Balls (fhomess). Vote:Hugh Janus (Eskallon). Lieutenant, you've been a right pain in my Janus with your pottymouth. You are dismissed.
def Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 As I'm trying to go to bed, I can't feel right in leaving my vote hanging. Hopefully others on different schedules can be around to hear out all the stories and make a wise decision. Unvote:Penelope Farago (Waterbrick Down) Good night
Hinckley Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 If we all want to save those that are role-claiming and not enough people are convinced of the guilt of The Big Butthole than we should all change our votes to a quieter player; Ishaq Ittaq (Wuntin) or Father Tomato Thomson (Ricecracker). Shouldn't a priest be a virgin? Well, not necessarily and we're not supposed to put any stock in the character's job or description. Even if they roleclaim, they've been way too quiet with what's been going on today. These are two safe places to place votes after everything we've learned in this marathon of a first day...
WhiteFang Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 I am taking a deep breath and reading through many possible revelations. In the risk of not losing possible useful pro-townies, I will also unvote first. Unvote: Roger Goodenarde (Professor Flitwick) With less than 4 hours left, I will also follow this move, especially after what Mehmet had highlighted above in green. Vote:Hugh Janus (Eskallon) On another note, this whole "virgin" business is getting trickier than I thought. I really truly wondered if that is what the Cultists' objectives are.
XimenaPaulina Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 I was already in my bed about to sleep but somehow the instability in the voting keeps bothering me, that's why I had to go back and hear more of the discussions. Snip I honestly find it difficult in my heart to vote for you after hearing the sincerity in your defense. And since there is now a better alternative lynchee as noted by Mehmet, I will: Unvote: Penelope Fargo (Waterbrick Down) and Vote: Hugh Janus (Eskallon) I really hope with all the crazy amount of vote switching we've witnessed our collective decision at the end of the day will ultimately benefit our overall cause. Here's hoping for the best. ---------------------------------------------------- I apologize to our gracious hosts but I can't help but make my own unofficial tally especially in these crucial closing stages of the voting: Unofficial Vote Tally Ishaq Ettaq (Wuntin): 1 vote (ADHO15) Roger Goodenarde (Professor Flitwick): 3 votes (Scubacarrot, Brickdoctor, Tamamono) Penelope Farago (Waterbrick Down): 2 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Zepher) Fr Thomas Thomson (Ricecracker): 1 vote (Waterbrick Down) Gordon Bennett (KielDaMan): 1 vote (Fugazi) Jennifer Taylor (Sandy): 2 votes (Cecilie, fhomess) Patrick Fitzwilliam (def): 3 votes (CallMePieOrDie, JimButcher, Sandy) Hugh Janus (Eskallon): 4 votes (Hinckley, Professor Flitwick, Whitefang, KielDaMan) As we have temporarily agreed, we're saving Fitz (claims to be a Virgin), Roger (claims to be a flavor cop), and Penelope (innocent). So far Hugh Janus is leading, but only by a hairline, and the three aren't exactly safe at this point. I suggest everyone to keep a watchful eye to those who will cast their votes late and see how they will tilt the balance of the voting and their motives could be certainly read through their votes.
Hinckley Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 [/i]As we have temporarily agreed, we're saving Fitz (claims to be a Virgin), Roger (claims to be a flavor cop), and Penelope (innocent). So far Hugh Janus is leading, but only by a hairline, and the three aren't exactly safe at this point. I suggest everyone to keep a watchful eye to those who will cast their votes late and see how they will tilt the balance of the voting and their motives could be certainly read through their votes. Just to be clear, it appears that Hugh is also claiming to be a Virgin, but the claim seems so weak and odd, that's what made me suspicious in the first place which is why I offer Shack Attack and the Priest as viable alternatives if people are afraid to lynch someone who is claiming to be a Virgin, although it seems like a ruse in my eyes.
Scubacarrot Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 I find it odd that there are so many people just swaying votes so quickly . The Captain is claiming to be someone who can identify wether or not someone is a virgin or not at night. I am not going to go in detail to ask how he does such a thing, I do not think I want to know, but one thing strikes me as odd, that no one seems to have brought up. Sure, he could be the flavour cop, but who says he is not still a Cultist? Am I the only one that thinks this could be the case? Think about it, it would make sense for the cultists to have someone with that ability among there midst. At least more sense than it would be for the innocents. The only reason for the innocents to have one of them would be to verify claims, which seems somewhat as limited useful. (All this could be dismissed if there is no 'standard' investigator, but I think it is safe to assume there is one.) I am not changing my vote, Captain Roger is still marked as suspicious in my imaginary book, maybe even more so after his role claim.
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