Wuntin Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I find it a little odd that we're talking about a framing side-effect messing with the results of a tracker. I thought framers only messed up the results of investigators. Anyway, let's assume the fabled mirror cloak has a "result reversal effect" of some sort that does affect trackers. The real result for a tracker tracking Mehmet (at least, according to him) should have been "he did not target anyone". So the reversed result would be that he did target someone. Who did he target, according to the reversed result? There's no obvious target, so IMHOTEP may have just picked someone at random.
def Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Anyway, we should get voting started, shouldn't we? Just to make sure everyone has time to switch their votes 50 times before the day ends, right? Vote: Jennifer Taylor (Sandy) If she's on the side of good, she's done a poor job of showing it.
fhomess Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 As a Summary: -Random Voting is a no no, especially after its made clear that we may have some culprits. -Constant change in tone from aggressive to sweet. -Attempts to jump onto the Bandwagon once without reason. -Attempts to jump onto the Bandwagon again without reason. -Jumps onto the Bandwagon again without reason. -Ignores the thread and pretends to be innocent by not voting or speaking up. -Claims she was upset with the days finale but never bothered to speak up when she could. -Made silly subtle hints at this fact for the next post. -Made even sillier subtle hints at this for the next post. -Tries to get the name of a (supposedly trusted) useful innocent superman. -Attacks Mehmet with stupid reasoning and claims that he was the obvious pick of the day. -Despite the option of private investigation she blurts out comments which could be verified and people identities checked, surely if we investigated the matter as it seems we are then we could save an innocent. Okay then , Vote: Jennifer Taylor(Sandy) I think this is a continuation of what I saw yesterday and why I voted for Ms. Taylor then. While her earlier posts of today had me rethinking her, her eagerness to vote for Mehmet today just seems odd. Mehmet's loss, if he's an innocent, would be a big deal, and he's got enough claims out there that it should be fairly easy to disprove one or two of them in relatively short order if he is indeed making things up. Vote: Jennifer Taylor(Sandy)
MagPiesRUs Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Someone may have trusted him enough to confide. He's a very smart person. Did he claim Virgin to protect Virgins? Or did he claim Virgin to avoid suspicion even though he is actually a Cultist? This is why I wouldn't have said the Tracker found me targeting him, if I had thought ahead of time that it was the mirror causing that result. Like I said, someone confirmed Fitzdef's Innocence to me, though, so for Fitzdef to be Scum, then someone else I'm inclined to trust would have to be lying to me. Again, this would be a huge risk on Fitzdef's part. A ruse this convoluted could easily blow up in his face with one investigation or tracking. I'm incline to say "Why didn't you come to me with your results in private, Fitzdef?" but it's clear you just don't like me and could care less either way if I stay or go. I didn't target anybody last night and I'm not Scum. I hope you guys don't have to kill me to find out I'm telling the truth, but if that's the case, so be it. Furthermore, anybody who says I'm putting more people at risk by explaining what could've happened with the mirror cloak and def targeting me, the Scum would've figured that out already. So I'm not telling them anything they wouldn't already know. Plus, people kept questioning my theory with the cloak, so I had to clarify. Maybe I should've just accepted being lynched and stopped that information train from going forward, but what's done is done. I'm inclined to believe Fitzdef and the person who confirmed him to me are both innocent, but you never know in these things. I was wearing a cloak that made the Nocturnal Skills focused on me go all wack-a-doo. I'm not sure why you'd still think Mr. Fitzwilliam has a night action, as I think it's pretty well established at this point that he's a virgin. As he has already pointed out, if we compare this: Anyway, my role is Virgin, a powerless role that I'm assuming is one of the ones the scum need to 'sacrifice'. Hmm, why didn't I explain why I knew this about the game in thread... Hmm, think about it, deep and long, and realize that the act of explaining this in thread hurts the town and puts a target on my back, helping the scum to achieve their goals. So, I was cryptic in my statement, but definitely getting the ball rolling for us townies. So I'm at the top of the lynch that's what happens when you play with people who jump on others for being active, you force me to play my hand. It would have been a hell of a lot better if you trusted the idea that no scum would ever put themselves so far out in front on day one. Scum have limited numbers, they can't take that much heat on day one. It's a textbook fact of mafia, and would have been horrible play day one if I were scum, guaranteeing any manner of night actions targeted at me. (funny enough, ... to the win conditions here: Innocents You are an Innocent member of the group. You have a night action (because you’ve had some action at night before... ) To achieve your freedom from the curse of IMHOTEP, and thus escape the valley, you must eliminate all the Cultists. Innocent Virgins You are an Innocent member of the group, additionally you are a Virgin and have no night action. You might wish to keep this to yourself. To achieve your freedom from the curse of IMHOTEP, and thus escape the valley, you must eliminate all the Cultists. Cultists You are a member of the Cult of IMHOTEP. You worship him as the God he is, and you know that it is your destiny to awaken him and take your place at his side to rule the world in immortality. IMHOTEP demands specific sacrifice. You must sacrifice ... pure members of the group to awaken the evil inside him and fulfil your destiny. ... it seems quite clear he's a virgin. The word 'virgin' is not mentioned in the cultist objectives, nor is the fact that virgins have no night actions. And I highly doubt that someone would be silly enough to tell him about the virgin role that early on in the game. So I can only assume that Mr. Fitzwilliam has no night action, and thus couldn't have targeted Mehmet. Having said that, Mehmet's actions so far strike me as genuine. I'm just not sure how repeatedly shifting the votes yesterday would benefit the scum in any way. If he was a cultist, wouldn't he have just kept the votes on Janus or Shaq Attaq? (unless they're scum as well, but if so I'm not sure why Mehmet would put them under such pressure when he wasn't sure how many people were still awake to unvote them. Or unless he was aiming to convict a virgin, but I doubt Father Tomato was active enough for Mehmet to confirm he was going to turn out a virgin) Those actions seem far too frantic to be the work of the scum. I'm inclined to believe him at this point, although this whole situation with the mirrors does seem very odd.
Fugazi Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I am baffled by the night actions surrounding Mahmet. The simplest explanation would be of course that Mahmet did target Patrick with an unspecified action, and that he is truly a Cultist as determined by a trustworthy investigator. What is troubling is that the tracker only 'thinks' having seen Mahmet. This suggests that something unusual happened to the night results. God is normally much more categoric. If the watcher was scum and trying to protect Mahmet, he wouldn't have come up with this twisted result. So I don't feel confortable voting for Mahmet given the current evidence. There have been other names suggested this morning, so I will go back and study the conversations some more.
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I'd like to say that while the Cultists win conditions didn't appear to contain the term Virgin, it is not guaranteed that they did not know the term before Patrick revealed it. At this point, I believe Patrick to be town. But we shouldn't automatically assume that he is just because he knew the term Virgin. If Virgins are important enough for the Cultists to search for, perhaps one among them has an ability to find them and thus their ability might have contained the term.
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I have a complete list of what the people on my list claimed to have happened last night: Ugh, I'm so exhausted. I'm sick so mentally and physically exhausted here. This hole in the desert is a pain in my megablocks. Am I even spelling desert right? Claimed Virgins Donald Duck - told me about being a Virgin before the concept was revealed in thread. I'm inclined to believe this person. Daisy Duck - verified by saying "not supposed to share the info" which was what the Virgins were told. However, by the time Daisy verified itself to me by PM, I had already mentioned this in the day thread. Scrooge McDuck - verified by Easter Egg, and then by a side effect of someone else's Night Action, apparently "not a cultist". Campbell's Soup Kid - Came forward at the end of Day One. I ran out of Duck names. I realize the Campell's Soup Kids aren't really a cartoon but I had just eaten some Tomato soup for my cold so it was on my brain... Night Actions Magilla Gorilla - Successfully protected someone. Scooby-Doo - claims to have watched someone. Seems verifiable, but would be an easy claim. So far, seems on the level. Superman - dipshit forgot to send the night action in. Papa Smurf - the protector who said they protected me but not the owner of the mirror cloak. The Thing - apparently successfully blocked a person we'll call Bam-Bam. Inspector Gadget - tracked me and got the false result that I targeted Fitzdef. Iron Man - sat around and didn't die. Goofy - protected me with this mirrored cloak which seems to be causing a lot of problems. Batman - our vigilante was going to try to target someone, but apparently was blocked. I think that's everything. The people who are on this list know that I'm truthfully reporting the Night Action results that were reported to me. These are claims, and shouldn't be treated as fact. They are for future reference for finding the truth. What the hell happened to me last night? Was I framed and had an odd effect of having a mirrored cloak on me? Why was def targeting me, if that is the case? Is the tracker lying? Is the second protector lying? This is messed up. ... it seems quite clear he's a virgin. The word 'virgin' is not mentioned in the cultist objectives, nor is the fact that virgins have no night actions. And I highly doubt that someone would be silly enough to tell him about the virgin role that early on in the game. Unless he's lying, which I even highly doubt. It's good to hear from you though. I've missed you. See any good pebbles lately? Your silence was a bit disconcerting. So is this Tracker lying to me? Did the Scum assume I was the investigator or tracker and that I would go after def to confirm him? Was the tracker postulating with a shot in the dark? Sounds risky. I can't imagine they would hinge their strategy on that. Maybe they just wanted to see how I would react to confirm if I stayed home or went out last night and therefore what my Virign status is. Again, they'd practically be sacrificing this supposed tracker in order to find that out. Perhaps they can spare one of their own to get another Virgin?? Not that I'm a Virgin. Oh, what the megabluck? This game is such a pain in my desert hole! I'm inclined to believe him at this point, although this whole situation with the mirrors does seem very odd. I agree with both of these statements. I am baffled by the night actions surrounding Mahmet. The simplest explanation would be of course that Mahmet did target Patrick with an unspecified action, and that he is truly a Cultist as determined by a trustworthy investigator. What is troubling is that the tracker only 'thinks' having seen Mahmet. This suggests that something unusual happened to the night results. God is normally much more categoric. If the watcher was scum and trying to protect Mahmet, he wouldn't have come up with this twisted result. So I don't feel confortable voting for Mahmet given the current evidence. There have been other names suggested this morning, so I will go back and study the conversations some more. I can't even follow this post. Whatever happened to me last night makes no sense. The Scum love causing confusion. Should we kill me off to remove the confusion? A wise man once told me "Sometimes, the only way to win is to not play." If we lynch me, we refuse to be confused. I'd like to say that while the Cultists win conditions didn't appear to contain the term Virgin, it is not guaranteed that they did not know the term before Patrick revealed it. At this point, I believe Patrick to be town. But we shouldn't automatically assume that he is just because he knew the term Virgin. If Virgins are important enough for the Cultists to search for, perhaps one among them has an ability to find them and thus their ability might have contained the term. Like a certain Virgin Flavor Cop we know of??
MagPiesRUs Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 And I too am inclined to vote for Ms. Taylor, as I had said yesterday, although I hope we can get to the bottom of this Mehmet business today. As I've said, it's very unlikely Mr. Fitzwilliams has a night action, so the consideration that Mehmet was shown targeting him because he was targeting Mehmet doesn't sit right with me. I suppose it's possible the tracker's results came out as random as a result of this mirror cloak, but it sure seems like too much of a coincidence for Mehmet to have been caught targeting Fitzwilliams given the drama between them yesterday. This is all too confusing. Does anyone want to help me milk a polar bear?
Pandora Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 Vote Tally Mehmet Attabar (Hinckley): 1 Vote (Sandy) Roger Goodenarde (Professor Flitwick): 1 Vote (Scubacarrot) Jennifer Taylor (Sandy): 3 Votes (Eskallon, def, fhomess)
Brickdoctor Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Wow, I sleep for a few hours longer than usual, and you guys sure talk a lot. Anyways, I haven't had the time to come to a real opinion upon which I can vote, but could someone summarize what's going on with the Night Actions concerning Mehmet? I'm MegaBlokin' confused right now. I do agree that Jennifer has been acting suspiciously, and I have a, dare I say, gut feeling that Roger isn't a Townie, but I agree that Roger isn't worth lynching right now. I'm also not sure what we learn through Jennifer's death. If she's Scum, great for us, but if she's Town, what do we learn?
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Wow, I sleep for a few hours longer than usual, and you guys sure talk a lot. Anyways, I haven't had the time to come to a real opinion upon which I can vote, but could someone summarize what's going on with the Night Actions concerning Mehmet? I'm MegaBlokin' confused right now. I do agree that Jennifer has been acting suspiciously, and I have a, dare I say, gut feeling that Roger isn't a Townie, but I agree that Roger isn't worth lynching right now. I'm also not sure what we learn through Jennifer's death. If she's Scum, great for us, but if she's Town, what do we learn? Oh Ra, this is so tedious. Can't you just read it all like the rest of us? Someone investigated me and the result was Cultist. I was protected by two people, one who uses a mirrored cloak. The tracker targeted me and thinks he saw me targeting def, which isn't possible since I didn't do anything last night. I'm suggesting the cloak shows a mirror image of things. However, that would mean def targeted me, which he claims isn't possible. And why aren't the protector and the investigator shown if it is, in fact, a mirror image and they supposedly targeted me. If the supposed tracker was just fishing to get me to reveal if I was a Virgin or not, perhaps he threw in the "I think" to make it sound like it could've been messed with. Just in case we called him out. But the mirror I was covered with does suggest that a mirror image of what actually happened could be shown. You know what, Goofy? Keep your megablocking mirror cloak off of me tonight.
Brickdoctor Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I see. I did read it, but as of right now, I can't make heads or tails out of it. So if we lynch you, we learn something about Patrick and 'Goofy'. I don't think we can say the same about Jennifer, can we? The only thing I can see us gaining from her lynch if she turns up Town (other than the voting patterns, of course) is that there might be a hint of her trying too hard to get rid of you. (Mehmet) Or maybe I'm just over thinking this and playing it safe.
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Freakin' Papa Smurf now claims that his action came back as "thinking" he protected me too. What is this?
CMP Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Freakin' Papa Smurf now claims that his action came back as "thinking" he protected me too. What is this? Perhaps your cloak blinds the people targeting you so they're unsure of the result?
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Perhaps your cloak blinds the people targeting you so they're unsure of the result? It's not my cloak. But why, if they're just unsure, would it give a result of me targeting def? That's just ... well ... goofy.
CMP Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 It's not my cloak. But why, if they're just unsure, would it give a result of me targeting def? That's just ... well ... goofy. I haven't the faintest idea. What kind of cruel gods would bring such a mysterious object into our game? Tell Goofy to keep his cloak to himself tonight. It's screwing around far too much with actions, it seems.
Tamamono Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I'm confused as hell about this whole mirror cloak business. I'm just going to spell it all out again here to clarify it for myself and others. Goofy put a mirror cloak over Mehmet last night to protect him. The mirror cloak inverses all actions. When Inspector Gadget targeted him, his track action turned into a watch action, thus why Mehmet was seen targeting Fitzdef. However, then why didn't Inspector Gadget see Mehmet also 'targeting' Papa Smurf, Goofy, and Fitzdef's investigator? Maybe, since the tracker action can only see one player being targeted (except in the case of hijacker actions and such), one is picked at random, or, more likely, whoever is listed as first in the night turns. For example, blocker goes before killer, watcher before protector, etc. So, if Papa Smurf, Fitzdef's investigator, and Goofy were listed on the night list after Fitzdef, then they wouldn't show up to the tracker. Get it? Now, if Goofy was the one who put the cloak on Mehmet, then it makes sense that his action wouldn't be messed with. However, what happened to Papa Smurf's protection action? Did it turn into a killing action that failed because of protection? Did it turn into a blocking action? Did Papa Smurf end up protecting himself? Does the cloak only mess up informative actions? I have a hunch that if the cloak inverses actions, then each action has a specified inverse. For example: Protector (targets self) Tracker (turns into watcher but only sees first person on list) Investigator (gets insane results) etc. etc. Fitzdef's investigator targeted Mehmet last night, and got a Cultist result. Is this true? Fitzdef, are you completely sure your investigator said it was Cultist and not Not Town? It's easy to mix the two up. If the investigator gets Cultist and Not Cultist readings, then the cloak simply inversed his result, making him see that Mehmet is Cultist instead of Not Cultist. That's pretty straightforward. However, there's still the issue of Mr. Fitzdef targeting Mehmet. How can this be!? Fitzdef completely denies targeting Mehmet. So either A. the whole cloak things is megablocking nuts and it fucks up all the results it gets makes them all random B. Mehmet is a cultist, and Fitzdef has an action he doesn't want outed, or C. Mehmet is town, and Fitzdef is scum and was framing him last night. Ugh, my brains are melting out my ears. Well, isn't it for the Camp to solve? Really, it does affect everyone. So, if the Tracker is telling the truth and my mirror theory is correct, Fitzdef was targeting me last night. In that case, the investigator giving information to Fitzdef should know that I was potentially targeted by him as well. If the Tracker is a liar then I could reveal who he/she is and not lose a Virgin. We could lose a tracker or Scum, but be safe in our stock of Virgins. I could offer up the protector who said they protected me but didn't show up in the mirror when the tracker looked...if that's what's happening at all. Again, that would lead us to killing a protector or a Scum but not a Virgin. While lynching another virgin would be very bad, lynching an important power role is pretty bad too. Why would the tracker or protector lie this early in the situation? It would just backfire on them. Freakin' Papa Smurf now claims that his action came back as "thinking" he protected me too. What is this? This cloak is obviously to blame here. Did Fitzdef's investigator say he 'thinks' he you are a Cultist? If that's the case, then the cloak must confuse everyone.
def Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Fitzdef, are you completely sure your investigator said it was Cultist and not Not Town? It's easy to mix the two up. If the investigator gets Cultist and Not Cultist readings, then the cloak simply inversed his result, making him see that Mehmet is Cultist instead of Not Cultist. That's pretty straightforward. He was seen as a cultist.
Tamamono Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 He was seen as a cultist. Okay then. I guess the investigator just got inverted results.
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 This cloak is obviously to blame here. Did Fitzdef's investigator say he 'thinks' he you are a Cultist? If that's the case, then the cloak must confuse everyone. That's a very good suggestion. It's possible, but Fitzdef is usually very clear in his telling of things. I doubt he would leave that detail out. Also, he might be rolling his eyes at you sometime soon.
def Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Okay then. I guess the investigator just got inverted results. I suppose you're clearing him for us then
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 That's a very good suggestion. It's possible, but Fitzdef is usually very clear in his telling of things. I doubt he would leave that detail out. Also, he might be rolling his eyes at you sometime soon. I suppose you're clearing him for us then I stand corrected. He wackoed his eyes at you. That's different.
Tamamono Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Also, he might be rolling his eyes at you sometime soon. I suspect he will. I suppose you're clearing him for us then No, I'm not 'clearing him for you'. But after all the tripped-out things that have have happened because of the cloak, I think it's very likely that the investigator got an inverse result.
def Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 No, I'm not 'clearing him for you'. But after all the tripped-out things that have have happened because of the cloak, I think it's very likely that the investigator got an inverse result. I was just wondering why you are so confident of this. It seemed like you were stating him clear as an accepted fact. My sincerest apologies for misconstruing that from your acceptance of tripped-out things
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Just think about it: Mehmet rallied just enough people to get a lynch in the last possible moment before sundown just by saying "quick, change your votes for I have a gut-feeling!" while most of us had already gone to bed. Well, you were still there, yet you didn't say anything at the time. How convenient for you to look down your nose at me the next day. Like that's hard in that situation. It was as messy as this mirror cloak thing. But what gets me here is you boil it down to "I've got a gut feeling!" when I clearly said "I have valid claims in private." I tried to read my notes on what happened yesterday, and I looked back at those who voted for Mr. Fitzsilent, the only confirmed Innocent amongst us so far. One highly interesting incident that really struck my attention is this: Let me refresh all of you: At this particular point in the voting, both Mr. Goodenarde and Mr. Fitz are in a tight battle in the vote tally, with the latter leading by a hairline. After the this update from our host Ossie, Mr. Fitz changed his vote to Roger to even the things up, and then Mr. Leplot (WhiteFang) also voted for Roger that put Mr. Goodenarde in the lead. It is at this point that, when the voting seems to be turning in favor of our only confirmed Innocent Mr. Fitz, that Ms. Ophelia Balls (fhomess) and Ms. Jennifer Taylor (Sandy) began to vote for Mr. Fitz, in succession, to once again put Mr. Fitz in the lead in the vote tally. Once Mr. Fitz was forced to reveal his Virginity, I, your reliable greasy engineer tied things up once more when I voted for Roger in order to possibly save a Virgin in Mr. Fitz. Then Ms. Balls suspiciously followed and unvoted for Mr. Fitz, BUT instead of voting for Mr. Fitz's closest 'rival' at that point (Mr. Goodenarde), Ms. Balls inexplicably chose to vote for Ms. Taylor (who was in no way in danger at that point). Owing to his vast experience in these types of situations, Mr. Fitz immediately noticed these suspicious behavior from Ms. Balls: Was it a half-assed/half-hearted move from Ms. Balls? I'm sorry Ophelia, I know you "asked for advice" from me privately regarding this, but I think the rest deserves to know the reasoning behind your suspicions move. And mind you, these two were also the first ones to test Ms. Taylor's questionable voting tactic, with Ms. Balls "starting" with her weirdo moment of voting-unvoting-revoting of Mr. Lelplot followed by Ms. Taylor's (being true to her word) voting the same. A staged act perhaps? I think these two are worth looking at... Thank you for this work in looking at the voting pattern. It is a very good point. I thought it odd that while they were both suspicious, Ms. Balls did place a vote for Ms. Taylor at one point. Perhaps an act yes, to seem disconnected. Not to mention that Ms. Balls's original vote was suspicious since she claimed to have no reason to vote except to test Ms. Taylor. Why Ms. Taylor needed to be tested at that point, I have no idea, but Ms. Balls did unvote before Ms. Taylor came by to prove herself. Then, after Ms. Taylor voted along, Ms. Balls claimed it was actually a good call and her vote would stay. Odd, but it makes me feel better about trusting Mr. Leplot in the future. I also received a private message from Ms. Balls, asking if I could explain to an inexperienced noob what Fitzdef meant about her seeming Scummy? Had she done something wrong? She was so confused... Hmmm, mr Bennett makes a good point, I am interested to hear what Ms Balls and Ms Taylor have to say for themselves, AS WELL as Captain Roger. If Goodenarde's claim he made yesterday was true, surely, he would not mind telling us the result from his nocturnal actions? I would also expect Mr. Good and Hard to be a little more active today. Even when he was talking to a fish, the fish had some excellent theories and was active in trying to solve the game. This cliche he's talking to is nothing but babbling. I would suppose it would be easy for him to verify himself to whoever he investigated yesterday and perhaps that person could talk to someone who they also trust to get us a message that he is on the level and no, I'm not suggesting that be me. For the record, Roger has not contacted me at all since this has started. He's not on my list there. Wouldn't it be better for scum to "test" for virgins by simply killing people? There is no advantage for them to take one night to find them. It's possible it's a role as the part of some experiment, but I don't see much point to it. But couldn't the Scum be working extra hard to find them? While one of them is out killing, why wouldn't another be searching for the next night's Virgin? It could easily be a Scum role. And a rather desperate public confession makes me suspicious too. If this is true, most of the roles in Mehmet's list can be made up. I just can't believe that many people actually trusted him... How would I make up 11 roles? How quickly would I be caught doing that? And did any of those people come forward today and say "I'm so and so and Mehmet is lying about what I told him?" None. Because I haven't made it up and logic should dictate that nobody would try to do that. I can't think of how it would work if I was lying. My head would explode, first of all. Anyway, you're way too quick to agree with Fitzdef's investigator's results and your first few votes of the day seem to be trying to make people suspicious of me for faulty reasoning too. That couple with your shenanigans with Ms. Balls and I am confident in placing a vote for you, especially since we had such an odd private conversation that you are misconstruing. Vote: Ms. Jennifer Taylor (Sandy) I am inclined to agree that Ms. Ophelia Balls (fhomess) is also Scum. It wouldn't surprise me if, therefore, Johnson Cox (Cecilie) is alsp Scum due to her private communication with me, also playing a confused damsel. Roger Goodenarde (Professor Flitwick) better try to get a confirmation from somebody or start speaking up in thread. Otherwise, I'm really going to regret not voting him out on Day One. I'll go ahead and add Nadir Zenith (JimButcher) to my list of suspects since I don't believe what he's told me in private and his behavior today was very close to Ms. Taylor's. I will keep their aliases, if they have one, secret for now. Furthermore, Goofy has let me know that he can't use the cloak on the same person two nights in a row, anyway. So, please be careful in reporting your Night Action results tomorrow. If you have that you "think" you did something, consider the mirror cloak and the person you're targeting. Let me re-iterate Nadir Zenith was trying to get me to reveal people on the list, just as was Ms. Taylor. Seems scummy. I say I'm protecting people and they're both screaming "Reveal! Reveal!" I was just wondering why you are so confident of this. It seemed like you were stating him clear as an accepted fact. My sincerest apologies for misconstruing that from your acceptance of tripped-out things That's a good point. I'm inclined to be suspicious of people who are accepting this crazy theory too. I'm surprised how many people seem to think it's logical. It's crazy. But I will say, I appreciate your logical thinking and voting for Ms. Taylor instead of me. I know you probably want to vote for me. I apologized to you earlier but I'll do it again. I'm sorry I annoyed you and hurt your feelings. It wasn't my intention. And I totally respect your desert hole playing. I may not always agree with you methods, but I think of you as smart and logical. A truly dedicated player. I stand by my earlier criticisms, but I definitely have many positive thoughts about you too. I wubs you!!!
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