JimBee Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I'll go ahead and add Nadir Zenith (JimButcher) to my list of suspects since I don't believe what he's told me in private and his behavior today was very close to Ms. Taylor's. Let me re-iterate Nadir Zenith was trying to get me to reveal people on the list, just as was Ms. Taylor. Seems scummy. I say I'm protecting people and they're both screaming "Reveal! Reveal!" I wouldn't say that. I said that if you thought it was worth it, and you really were suspicious of said person, then you should reveal them. Honestly if I were a Cultist I'd just be watching and letting you lynch the wrong person (because I would know that they'd be innocent). If you don't want to reveal said person, fine by me. That time has passed anyway and I don't think I've "pushed" you to reveal anything. Like I said, if you weren't going to propose a specific person, I would have. For now, though, I'll Vote: Jennifer Taylor (Sandy) because of her strange behavior since Day 1. I think Hugh summed it up the best.
def Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I'm sorry I annoyed you and hurt your feelings. It wasn't my intention. And I totally respect your desert hole playing. I may not always agree with you methods, but I think of you as smart and logical. A truly dedicated player. I stand by my earlier criticisms, but I definitely have many positive thoughts about you too. I wubs you!!! To the person I had this conversation with in PM: Did I call it or did I call it? The treadmill is in full operation.
Zepher Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Vote: Jennifer Taylor (Sandy) I'm not sold on any of this. This mirror cloak does NOT sound like a good or normal action to me, and I don't trust whoever has it.
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 To the person I had this conversation with in PM: Did I call it or did I call it? The treadmill is in full operation. What a nice response. In other news, I think I was framed and the cloak did weird things to the Nocturnal Skills that targeted me. I don't think the cloak makes me look like a Cultist. I think the Cultists made me look like a Cultist. I think the cloak is just goofy. There has to be some benefit to the cloak, though. So, would the benefit be that the Tracker uncovered a malicious targeting? I can't see how a Campie artifact could give results that would confuse the Camp this much... Ugh...Sorry about the cyclical guessing.
Brickdoctor Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Well, it is possible that all this (the events surrounding Mehmet) is just a bunch of Cultist trickery, and Mehmet's made some good points. After all the vote switching of Yesterday followed by the confidence with which he's gone after Jennifer Today, perhaps the best way to get a good idea of his intentions is to trust him for Today and see where it goes. (which is not to say I'm about to lynch someone just for having the wrong suspicions, but it'd be another thing to consider if Jennifer turns up Town, making her lynch helpful no matter where her allegiances lie) I Vote: Jennifer Taylor (Sandy).
WhiteFang Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 You people really speak alot while I am catching my afternoon nap. Until now I don't have any idea who I can really trust for sure based on those public claims and so-called shared results. However, it is a good reference for us to start comparing notes with what we had gathered in private. I think there is alot for me to catch up today first.
XimenaPaulina Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Thank you for this work in looking at the voting pattern. It is a very good point. I thought it odd that while they were both suspicious, Ms. Balls did place a vote for Ms. Taylor at one point. Perhaps an act yes, to seem disconnected. Not to mention that Ms. Balls's original vote was suspicious since she claimed to have no reason to vote except to test Ms. Taylor. Why Ms. Taylor needed to be tested at that point, I have no idea, but Ms. Balls did unvote before Ms. Taylor came by to prove herself. Then, after Ms. Taylor voted along, Ms. Balls claimed it was actually a good call and her vote would stay. Odd, but it makes me feel better about trusting Mr. Leplot in the future. *snip* I am inclined to agree that Ms. Ophelia Balls (fhomess) is also Scum. Those two were my top two suspects until the investigation result on you, as reported by Mr. Fitz, complicated things up. I know you've been busting your behind ever since the start, but I'm still finding it hard to believe that so many people would trust you in the first day. Especially since YOU remind me of a character on one of the book's I've read (Yeah, the Gods apparently allow me now to reference my favorite books! ) named Heng Lewly accusing a newbie "K-Girl" Manns of easily trusting him in a similar situation and blurting out a phrase along the lines of: "Who in their right minds would reveal important/vital info on the first day?" I also received a private message from Ms. Balls, asking if I could explain to an inexperienced noob what Fitzdef meant about her seeming Scummy? Had she done something wrong? She was so confused... Another staged act to look innocent perhaps? I've read this before in a book called Gotham City Mafia where a character named Deadshot also played the same "I'm a newbie" PM card, and he turned out to be scum. My point is, we were all selected in this expedition not because we're young or old/experienced or inexperienced, but because we have the ability to carry out our functions. So I don't buy that private conversation. Coupled with his voting-unvoting-revoting of Mr. Leplot and her half-assed/half-hearted unvoting of Mr. Ftiz yesterday, Ms. Balls certainly looks scummy to me and is my top suspect from the very start of the day. Should I vote for Ms. Balls and ignore the majority who's voting for Ms. Taylor? Should I also just dismiss the fact that there was a Cultist investigation result on Mehmet? I'm in a tight spot right here... I will go with my initial suspicion and Vote: Ophellia Balls (fhomess) And since it seems the way the votes are going that Ms. Taylor is on her way to Rock-God's mouth, how will we deal with the Cultist investigation result on Mehmet? Will there be any other ways to verify the veracity of the investigator's and Mehmet's claims if we would be deciding to save Mehmet?
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Those two were my top two suspects until the investigation result on you, as reported by Mr. Fitz, complicated things up. I know you've been busting your behind ever since the start, but I'm still finding it hard to believe that so many people would trust you in the first day. Especially since YOU remind me of a character on one of the book's I've read (Yeah, the Gods apparently allow me now to reference my favorite books! ) named Heng Lewly accusing a newbie "K-Girl" Manns of easily trusting him in a similar situation and blurting out a phrase along the lines of: "Who in their right minds would reveal important/vital info on the first day?" Go read the hole in the desert called The Werewolf and the Stupid Rouges. Harriet the Slut kicks everyone's megablocks. At least that's how I remember it. Rick, typically, dies before it's all over. Stupid Rick. I started highly suspicious of you. However, all of your reasoning seems sound. I'm inclined to trust you and I agree with your findings about Ms. Balls and Ms. Taylor. I'm willing to be either one of the is Scum... Stupid cold. I met "willing to bet" not "willing to be."
XimenaPaulina Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Go read the hole in the desert called The Werewolf and the Stupid Rouges. Harriet the Slut kicks everyone's megablocks. At least that's how I remember it. Rick, typically, dies before it's all over. Stupid Rick. I started highly suspicious of you. However, all of your reasoning seems sound. I'm inclined to trust you and I agree with your findings about Ms. Balls and Ms. Taylor. I'm willing to be either one of the is Scum... Stupid cold. I met "willing to bet" not "willing to be." Harriet the Slut = Heng Lewly = Gawd, I hate that character, so evil and oinky I despise him. And Rick Poor Percy getting slaughtered early? I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Cultists are COWARDS with NO BALLS! (Or Ms. Balls is their only "Balls? ) But still, I HOPE that we'll find a way to verify the investigator's and Mehmet's claims... Those should NOT be simply ignored...
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 But still, I HOPE that we'll find a way to verify the investigator's and Mehmet's claims... Those should NOT be simply ignored... I'm certainly not going to let it go. It's first and foremost on my mind. Any ideas on how to confirm these claims quickly so we can focus on finding the Cultists and whatever Third-Party Stupid Rouge might be out there?
Brickdoctor Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I'm certainly not going to let it go. It's first and foremost on my mind. Any ideas on how to confirm these claims quickly so we can focus on finding the Cultists and whatever Third-Party Stupid Rouge might be out there? We could always lynch you. Though that would just tell us whether or not you were probably telling the truth, not whether or not all those others are.
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 We could always lynch you. Do you want to count how many times I offered that or do I need to do your reading for you again?
Brickdoctor Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Do you want to count how many times I offered that or do I need to do your reading for you again? I did the reading for myself. You did the comprehension for me. Who do you think I am? Melaena?
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Who do you think I am? Melaena? Malaena and Nadir - the Poopsy Twins. They lurk and summarize. No, I know you're not them. Not very helpful, but not a Poopsy Twin.
XimenaPaulina Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Any ideas on how to confirm these claims quickly so we can focus on finding the Cultists and whatever Third-Party Stupid Rouge might be out there? My simplistic humble suggestions: 1. You should be investigated again tonight by both: a) Mr. Fitz's investigator and b) Mr. Goodenarde 2. The results of the investigation should NOT be reported to you, but to Mr. Fitz, the only confirmed Innocent so far 3. You should NOT have the "mirror cloak whatever nonsense that is" on you tonight as that would just mess up with the investigations. Instead, get another form of protection from the other protector. The results will hopefully shed some light into this mess. And since you're claiming to have contacts with these Nocturnally Active people, you could track if they will be cooperating or not. For example, if you still receive that stupid cloak even if there was a specific instruction not to, then that person should be suspected. So on and so forth. Again, these are just my humble suggestions and should be NOT read as if I'm influencing the Night Actions. You have the contacts Mehmet, so you control/suggest them. If anyone finds these suggestions flawed, feel free to voice your opinions.
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 2. The results of the investigation should NOT be reported to you, but to Mr. Fitz, the only confirmed Innocent so far How exactly is he confirmed??
XimenaPaulina Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 We could always lynch you. Do you want to count how many times I offered that or do I need to do your reading for you again? Still the easiest and quickest way if you ask me. Will save us a lot of time and Nocturnal Actions.
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 The results will hopefully shed some light into this mess. And since you're claiming to have contacts with these Nocturnally Active people, you could track if they will be cooperating or not. For example, if you still receive that stupid cloak even if there was a specific instruction not to, then that person should be suspected. So on and so forth. Again, these are just my humble suggestions and should be NOT read as if I'm influencing the Night Actions. You have the contacts Mehmet, so you control/suggest them. If anyone finds these suggestions flawed, feel free to voice your opinions. I certainly don't control the Investigator and I hate to have another night wasted on me. But it makes sense so you guys know who not to lynch. I know not to lynch me, damn it. megablock Cultists... OK, I'll set it up. Fitzdef will have to ask the investigator to investigate me again. And the framer will have to frame me again. Wait a minute... I'm not sure this is a plan... Still the easiest and quickest way if you ask me. Will save us a lot of time and Nocturnal Actions. I could just ask the vigilante to kill me.
XimenaPaulina Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 How exactly is he confirmed?? 1. You even cleared him early today didn't you? I've been talking to some people in private and from the results of last night's Nocturnal Activities, it appears Fitzdef is cleared as an innocent, for those of you who were wondering. and 2. By virtue of the hosts' revelation of the true nature of the Cultists' win condition. Ms. Betty Swallocks summarized it best: ... to the win conditions here: ... it seems quite clear he's a virgin. The word 'virgin' is not mentioned in the cultist objectives, nor is the fact that virgins have no night actions. And I highly doubt that someone would be silly enough to tell him about the virgin role that early on in the game. OK, I'll set it up. Fitzdef will have to ask the investigator to investigate me again. And the framer will have to frame me again. Wait a minute... I'm not sure this is a plan... That's the beauty of this "public plan", the persons involved could either follow it or have an alternative plan behind the scenes. This is something to keep these muthafuckin' chicken Cultists guessing. Put them at the edge of their seats, play mind games with them.
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Yes, someone "cleared" him to me. But if the tracker got a mirror result while tracking me, then in reality, def targeted me. As I've stated he could be the investigator and covering for the Virgins, or he could be a Cultist framer. Or the mirror really messes with things and just made up a ridiculous result. That would be a crappy Campie Action and I'm inclined to believe that the cloak is not actually crappy. If Fitzdef is the framer, then the person who verified him to me is Scum as well. However, I'm inclined to believe that def is not the investigator due to the timing of his revealing the investigation so late in the day. However, if the cloak is useful then it showed the tracker that def was targeting me and he would therefore be the Cultist Framer. This constant wondering is splitting my head in two. The tracker was clear about two things. The results said he "thinks" he tracked me and the result was that I did target def. Now if he just "thinks" that because he was looking at a mirror image, then he caught def tracking me. It's not likely, but the possibility is certainly worth remembering... That's the beauty of this "public plan", the persons involved could either follow it or have an alternative plan behind the scenes. This is something to keep these muthafuckin' chicken Cultists guessing. Put them at the edge of their seats, play mind games with them. The watcher has to watch me too then to see all the people who target me. If we're right, the investigator and framer should both be seen targeting me if I end up as Cultist. Only one person should be targeting me if I come up Camp. Oh, and a protector in there somewhere? I hope...
Brickdoctor Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 The tracker was clear about two things. The results said he "thinks" he tracked me and the result was that I did target def. Now if he just "thinks" that because he was looking at a mirror image, then he caught def tracking me. Was the tracker told that you (as in, your name was mentioned) targeted Patrick, or that he thinks he targeted you and his target targeted def? Because, since I'm now apparently allowed to reference books, in a book called Gotham Mafia, a character a lot like myself tried to frame another, and I was told that I 'thought' I targeted that person, but, in reality, I'd been targeted by someone who could randomize someone else's target.
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Was the tracker told that you (as in, your name was mentioned) targeted Patrick, or that he thinks he targeted you and his target targeted def? Because, since I'm now apparently allowed to reference books, in a book called Gotham Mafia, a character a lot like myself tried to frame another, and I was told that I 'thought' I targeted that person, but, in reality, I'd been targeted by someone who could randomize someone else's target. Thank you. I will have to clarify that.
JimBee Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Malaena and Nadir - the Poopsy Twins. They lurk and summarize. No, I know you're not them. Not very helpful, but not a Poopsy Twin. What are you on? Either leave me alone or state something that holds weight. Just because I didn't come running to you wanting to spill my role doesn't mean I lurk and summarize. I'm right here if you want to ask me something or accuse me. I've placed my vote, is there anything else you wanted from me?
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 What are you on? Either leave me alone or state something that holds weight. Just because I didn't come running to you wanting to spill my role doesn't mean I lurk and summarize. I'm right here if you want to ask me something or accuse me. I've placed my vote, is there anything else you wanted from me? Oh, I've already told you in private what I think and why I think it.
JimBee Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Yes, and I already told you that I respected your opinion (even though your reasoning is weak), and I'm welcome to any sort of investigation. Now I've looked over it. I meant that you thought the majority vote won, so you were just scanning the vote tally to find which Campie to vote for. It means I think you are sloppy Scum. I already told you what I meant: Hey, since it's not exactly pertinent to the current discussion in thread, I wanted to ask you something in private:Reviewing further, Nadir the pooper scooper and Ms. Stool, the poopsy twins also came in pretty quickly. Nadir hadn't read the rules or the thread enough to know that most votes convicted. Perhaps he was just scanning for good votes? Fitzdef is a strong player and if a strong case was made against him, the Scum may have tried to jump in line to get him out of our midst...if he is, in fact, what he claims to be. I had already explained to you what I meant here, and what do you mean by scanning for good votes? It's just been nagging me, and I wasn't online from that time until the end of Day 1. So really, there's no need to continue to poke at me in thread. What's really suspicious is not my mistake in wording back on Day 1, but why you keep pushing the subject, in private and in thread. Why do you continue to do so? I'm honestly asking.
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