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I'm pretty sure the winch is present in LDD. Look for part 73037.

The problem of the old parts is that TLG has not the digital models, so that add an old part requires much more work than add a recent part. Old parts will arrive, but with more difficulties.

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Here is the current "Fans Most Wanted list", prioritized as 1, 2 or 3 after my best understanding of what we want as a group. [...]

Hi Superkalle,

since summer slowly fades away and the foggy fall is about to come, do you plan to update the "FansMostWantedJanuary2013"-most-requested-to-come-LDD-parts-list anytime soon? Since this list was posted back in January we got quite a bunch of LDD part updates and a lot of the wishes posted in that file have already been satisfied. So, what are the most wanted parts which have not (yet) been included in the recent 1182 parts update? Some legacy raised baseplates? 4873?

Anyway, do you have any insight if TLG will keep the high frequency in delivering parts updates? I guess they are now more quickly in releasing new part updates than in the bygone years. Do you think this is an exception or may we expect even more part updates this year?

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Hi Superkalle,

since summer slowly fades away and the foggy fall is about to come, do you plan to update the "FansMostWantedJanuary2013"-most-requested-to-come-LDD-parts-list anytime soon?

Yes, I do...get back shortly :classic:

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OK, here is the list with Wanted bricks that I keep track of for us fans. It is based on requests in this topic. It has also been communicated to TLG on a regular basis.

In the list you can see/filter on which parts have been added historically. Please note that the list contains not only parts to add, but also stuff like add flex, decorations, removing duplicate parts from the palette etc, that you can also filter on.

Old/legacy parts are prioritized pretty much based on how many sets they were used in. I'm not sure it's the best way, but it's the way used until now.

Please comment the list and if you want to add parts, or change prio, post it here.

Oh, finally - note though when you request parts, generally old/legacy parts are much more difficult to get into LDD because often TLG does not have digital models and those parts then have to be recreated as 3D models which is (relatively) time consuming. That's why we only see a few every release.

EDIT: I can also tell that the reason that sliding functionality has not been added (for example to shock absorbers) is that there simply isn't a feature in the GUI that allows users to do that. If you select a part - how do you then select which part to slide of the two? The bricks support sliding, so that's not the problem; There needs to be some kind of functionality like the hinge tool, but for linear axis instead of rotation. I'm not sure why that was never added to the GUI, but as far as I'm concern it's high priority for a future LDD release (which I honestly have absolutely no clue when that will be).

LDD_WantedBrickList_Sept2013.xls

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OK, here is the list with Wanted bricks that I keep track of for us fans.

Wow, that was quick.

I'm happy that 73 out of 200 parts already have the "AddedToLDD" tag. And I'm also glad that none of the "Remove from palette" requests actually got removed: I consider myself an "includer" and I guess that no part at all should be removed from the LDD palette, at least as it comes to the LDD extended mode: Although some parts look quite similar to other parts, you may easily recognize significant differences; e.g. 93888 has some reinforcements underside that 3007 does not have, 90194 has some additional structure underside that 48183 does not have and 74968 has round reinforcements which neither 87544 nor 2362 has: 2362 has no reinforcements at all and the 87544 ones are not rounded. So I guess all parts should be kept included in LDD, at least in extended mode! Especially since every existing LXF file using one of these parts renders useless when it gets removed.

I am however a bit sad that no legacy (raised and non-raised) baseplate at all is included in this list like the different sorts of 6024, 6092, 3097, 2552, 606, 309, 4478 or 6100. I currently also miss 4873 (45 sets, the open stud opposite to 6140), 4627-4629 (either as single parts or completely assembled, 32 sets), 200 (9 sets, maybe with a lower prio), any sort of flexible string (such as x77) and some legacy road signs (such as 80045). And definitely all Friends minidoll body parts must be included here as well: Heads, torsos and legs are completely missing (wigs and hairpieces however are already almost completely included in LDD). By the way, the existing friends parts (especially the cute animals) could use way better decoration support!

In my humble opinion the bionicle and hero factory parts on the other hand should get a somewhat lower prio: I don't want to rant and rave, but I don't consider bionicle as "real" Lego, so I don't mind if these parts are not included in LDD, since they are actually not very useful outside of bionicle sets. I hope I won't be outnumbered by the bionicle fanboys, but we don't have Clikits, Primo, Znap, Quatro or Duplo parts here either.

But back to topic: Some existing parts should be overhauled as well:

Anyway, keep up your good work! A big "Thank you" and "Kudos"!

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And I'm also glad that none of the "Remove from palette" requests actually got removed: I consider myself an "includer" and I guess that no part at all should be removed from the LDD palette, at least as it comes to the LDD extended mode:

The list of possible parts to delete was actually worked through carefully, and only contains parts that are 100% not needed. All "suspects" are still to be in LDD.

Especially since every existing LXF file using one of these parts renders useless when it gets removed.

This woldn't be a problem. A new version of LDD would be required in any case, and such version would replace the removed parts with their counterparts programatically- so it won't affect us users at all.

I am however a bit sad that no legacy (raised and non-raised) baseplate at all is included in this list like the different sorts of 6024, 6092, 3097, 2552, 606, 309, 4478 or 6100. I currently also miss 4873 (45 sets, the open stud opposite to 6140), 4627-4629 (either as single parts or completely assembled, 32 sets), 200 (9 sets, maybe with a lower prio), any sort of flexible string (such as x77) and some legacy road signs (such as 80045). And definitely all Friends minidoll body parts must be included here as well: Heads, torsos and legs are completely missing (wigs and hairpieces however are already almost completely included in LDD). By the way, the existing friends parts (especially the cute animals) could use way better decoration support!

In my humble opinion the bionicle and hero factory parts on the other hand should get a somewhat lower prio: I don't want to rant and rave, but I don't consider bionicle as "real" Lego, so I don't mind if these parts are not included in LDD, since they are actually not very useful outside of bionicle sets. I hope I won't be outnumbered by the bionicle fanboys, but we don't have Clikits, Primo, Znap, Quatro or Duplo parts here either.

Wow, now you opened up for a tough discussion :grin:.

Anyway, feel free to add any parts you want to add to the list. But like I said, be aware that old legacy parts are much more difficult to get into LDD. The Bionicle and HF parts allready available as 3D-model and are much faster to get in. That's why so many of them in the list.

But back to topic: Some existing parts should be overhauled as well:

Anyway, keep up your good work! A big "Thank you" and "Kudos"!

Good list, and thanks for the thanks :classic:

PS: The problem with 2578 is that the same DesignID is used internally at TLG for both variants. When they updated the design many years ago, they re-used the DesignID instead of giving it a new one, and hence it's a bit of a DesignID issue....only one of the parts can have 2578 (at least this is what I was told, because I asked myself the same question as you).

EDIT: It is much faster to add multicolor than to add decorations, so be aware of this when you wish. Old decorations particularly has the same problem as old parts; the graphics have to be re-created.

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Wow, now you opened up for a tough discussion :grin:.

Really? No bionicle supporters showed up here so far. Can't be much of a fuss, can it? Anyway, I'm always up for any sort of flame war tough discussion, since that might help me leverage my post count: I wanna be an Archduke by the end of the year... :tongue:[sorry, just kidding].

The Bionicle and HF parts allready available as 3D-model and are much faster to get in. That's why so many of them in the list.

I don't mind if those parts are added. But I don't need them. And since there are legacy bionicle parts as well, I'd rather prefer "regular" legacy parts to be added: Having seen 2348/2349 being added recently made me glad, but having a look at the recent posts by vean at "[KEY TOPIC] Official LEGO Sets made in LDD" shows me that a lot of classic sets still can't be built properly in LDD without replacing essential parts (like the aforementioned baseplates).

EDIT: It is much faster to add multicolor than to add decorations, so be aware of this when you wish. Old decorations particularly has the same problem as old parts; the graphics have to be re-created.

I'm a bit confused now: Decorations are prints (and maybe stickers) applied to a part consisting of one single sort of plastic, multicolor parts however consist of two or more different plastics, right? So there is no real choice, isn't it? Or are there pieces actually printed in real life which are modelled as multicolor parts in LDD? Maybe 30138? I don't have the real bricks, so I can't really tell.

If it will be easier and thus faster to get, the pirate parrot 2546a should be multicolored instead of decorated, since I guess TLG won't allow the process of re-creating graphics to be crowdsourced to the community, will it? I'm not much of an artist, but I guess there are enough around here willing to digitize prints (and maybe even stickers) in a quality that would even satisfy TLG's QA. All TLG has to do is to specify an additional path for custom PNGs to be used by LDD; they don't even have to deliver user-made prints and stickers with LDD itself, as this would be done by channels like brickshelf etc. But then TLG would no longer control what those PNGs may depict: Having headlines like these in mind, you can easily imagine what negative implications any sort of "inappropriate content" (whatever that may be) might have: An user-made LDD screenshot of a minifig torso printed with either "الله أكبر" or one of these could easily harm TLGs reputation, when posted in the "right" forums. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess TLG thus will never ever allow custom content to be added to LDD. It would be très cool nonetheless...

Anyway, back to topic: Ceterum censeo legacy baseplates should be added: 6024, 6092, 3947, 2552, 606 [9 studs!], 309, 4478 or 6100!

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Really? No bionicle supporters showed up here so far. Can't be much of a fuss, can it? Anyway, I'm always up for any sort of flame war tough discussion, since that might help me leverage my post count: I wanna be an Archduke by the end of the year... :tongue:[sorry, just kidding].

I don't mind if those parts are added. But I don't need them. And since there are legacy bionicle parts as well, I'd rather prefer "regular" legacy parts to be added: Having seen 2348/2349 being added recently made me glad, but having a look at the recent posts by vean at "[KEY TOPIC] Official LEGO Sets made in LDD" shows me that a lot of classic sets still can't be built properly in LDD without replacing essential parts (like the aforementioned baseplates).

I'm a bit confused now: Decorations are prints (and maybe stickers) applied to a part consisting of one single sort of plastic, multicolor parts however consist of two or more different plastics, right? So there is no real choice, isn't it? Or are there pieces actually printed in real life which are modelled as multicolor parts in LDD? Maybe 30138? I don't have the real bricks, so I can't really tell.

If it will be easier and thus faster to get, the pirate parrot 2546a should be multicolored instead of decorated, since I guess TLG won't allow the process of re-creating graphics to be crowdsourced to the community, will it? I'm not much of an artist, but I guess there are enough around here willing to digitize prints (and maybe even stickers) in a quality that would even satisfy TLG's QA. All TLG has to do is to specify an additional path for custom PNGs to be used by LDD; they don't even have to deliver user-made prints and stickers with LDD itself, as this would be done by channels like brickshelf etc. But then TLG would no longer control what those PNGs may depict: Having headlines like these in mind, you can easily imagine what negative implications any sort of "inappropriate content" (whatever that may be) might have: An user-made LDD screenshot of a minifig torso printed with either "الله أكبر" or one of these could easily harm TLGs reputation, when posted in the "right" forums. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess TLG thus will never ever allow custom content to be added to LDD. It would be très cool nonetheless...

Anyway, back to topic: Ceterum censeo legacy baseplates should be added: 6024, 6092, 3947, 2552, 606 [9 studs!], 309, 4478 or 6100!

I am a Muslim and I am proud words like"الله أكبر" (God is great) because it is not a bad word

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Please leave anything that has to with religion out of the discussion. Thank you.

Now, back to topic:

TLG would most likely not add user-created material. Maybe not so much that it wouldn't pass QA, but rather that they wouldn't have control and that it could be a matter of copyright issues (i.e. who owns the created material).

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TLG would most likely not add user-created material. Maybe not so much that it wouldn't pass QA, but rather that they wouldn't have control and that it could be a matter of copyright issues (i.e. who owns the created material).

Well, we have a whole subsection here on Eurobricks that deals with user-created material: I can't see why real bricks / minifigures should be handled that much different than virtual ones: TLG doesn't sue even commercial retailers of real custom minifigs, so I don't get the point why virtual customization should be that much worse. TLG does not have to include any user-created content in LDD at all. They only have to offer an option in LDD like "Path to additional decoration files"; it would be up to the user to fill this path with proper PNGs. The LXFML file would contain an entry pointing to a file's path. If this path is valid and the PNG file exists there, LDD displays its content as a brick's / minifig's decoration; if not, the brick / minifig remains undecorated. No embedding of the actual graphic file in the LXF zip archive is necessary, since it would be up to the user to distribute the decoration PNGs along with the LXF file. Technically TLG couldn't be made responsible for the stuff the user creates with it. But morally they might be brought in conjunction with any "inappropriate content". I guess this is the most serious obstacle.

Anyway, did I mention the legacy baseplates yet?

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Really? No bionicle supporters showed up here so far. Can't be much of a fuss, can it? Anyway, I'm always up for any sort of flame war tough discussion, since that might help me leverage my post count: I wanna be an Archduke by the end of the year... :tongue:[sorry, just kidding].

Whoops, sorry I'm late. Let's see here. Rraarrr constraction is totally legitimate and can't be replicated with any other existing parts etcetera etcetera ad infinitum.

Nah, seriously, I don't think the question of what is/isn't "real LEGO" should even be a part of the discussion. Fans of BIONICLE and Hero Factory are still LEGO fans and, as such, potential LDD users. I'd say at least 50% of the building I do, whether on LDD or in real life, is constraction-based. For building custom action figures that can hold up to actual play, it's irreplaceable, and the current Hero Factory character and creature building system is the most versatile expression of that type of building to date.

Now with that said, that doesn't mean that all BIONICLE parts should be high-priority, especially "legacy" parts. A lot of early BIONICLE stuff is rather specialized, like the old "gearbox"-style torsos or the million billion old masks and weapons. While a part of me would LOVE to be able to build with these parts on LDD simply for nostalgia's sake, I avoid many of them in most of my current MOCs as a matter of choice, for about the same reason I avoid a lot of obsolete hinge elements. I think the most important BIONICLE parts for LDD that aren't already there are probably joint elements. A good clue: a part's usefulness has to do not only with how often it was used but also with how long it remained in use. 32173 (already in LDD, thankfully ) might seem awfully specialized in its geometry, but it remained in use for over ten years. In contrast, some BIONICLE masks from 2001, despite appearing in a whole slew of different colors and having iconic status among fans, were hardly in sets for two years.

I looked over the list and one item for removal kind of bothered me: 90194. While it performs the same function as 48183, its underside is visibly different, and the NEWER version, 90194, is the one that is still appearing in sets.

Additionally, one item for addition seemed a bit unusual: 98613. The reason is that it already appears in LDD as part 74261. The digital version and the real version have a slight difference, in that the real version has a transparent rubber insert which cannot be colored separately from the rest of the piece on LDD. But according to the LEGO Group's parts database, 74261 is the part's real Design ID. Chances are the 98613 is just the Design ID for the hard plastic component of the part, and the full pre-assembled part (with both rubber and hard plastic sections), has a different number, just like how minifigure torso and legs assemblies or Technic shock absorbers have different Design IDs than their component parts. This is why Bricklink would use 98613 as the part number: it's the one that would be visibly molded into the part, and the part cannot be disassembled by the end user without mutilating it.

In short, part 98613 should be marked as "Added to LDD", but possibly should be separately listed as "Add Multicolor", depending on how nitpicky you want to get about the current digital version.

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I would say there are probably a lot more constraction builders than Clikits builders, since that line didn't last an especially long time and nothing in the same "genre" moved in to replace it. With that said, if there were a broad audience enthusiastically asking for Clikits parts on LDD, I wouldn't complain. Perhaps Clikits is well-suited to their preferred building style. Though to be honest, I'm not even sure how many uses of Clikits I've seen in MOCs that use strictly legal connections. :tongue:

On a more serious note, I did request a lot of Friends mini-doll parts a few pages back here. I didn't see those on the spreadsheet of part requests...

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On a more serious note, I did request a lot of Friends mini-doll parts a few pages back here. I didn't see those on the spreadsheet of part requests...

That's because when I added them, the guys in the LDD Team said I didn't have too; "We have them in our que, and are working on it" was the reply - so I guess we just wait and see what happens.

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Hehey!

You're asking us what bricks we want for once :excited:

Anyway, I think you should create as many bricks from Lego Universe as possible. The ones for faction or other... Just design them in a material version and post them. Slightly harder than usual but it would be really amazing... :pir-laugh:

If not, the moheeken from that americain minifig.

AND...

The best of all would be to put all the faces and designed shirts into extended! IT MUST BE DONE!!! I'll be your best friend :purrr: ...

OH!

And another must have,

the fabric shoulderpad and pocket things from that star wars commander

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It would be a lot of work, but I think some of us would like to see these minifig pieces added.

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I would like to see this Lando Calrissian piece the most.

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I apologize for the this post. I didn't realize it was that long.

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In the first one I recognize the elephant tail part 43892.

The second seems to be a mask for green goblin minifigure (spiderman licensed theme)

The third raises some doubts to me too (EDIT: it is Jun-Chi from adventures theme: click).

The white thing is the old Yeti from adventures theme.

It would be useful to have parts ID to identify pieces!

Maybe we should ask for a specific scheme to request pieces.

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