Hinckley Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 If you suspect that many people are cultists, I'm afraid we have a huge problem. Anyway, I'm afraid that all I learned last night is that Mehmet likes to poke me. Out of that list, I'd probably draw out: 1) William Fitzpatrick (CorneliusMurdock) 2) Mellifluous Murgatroyd (scubacarrot) 3) Toulouse Leplot (WhiteFang) 4) Gordon Bennett (KielDaMan) Why do I think this? Based on my observations, these people are only around to defend themselves or to offer small incite into the situation. I might be wrong, I don't know, but these people are on my radar screen. My poker was buried under sand, so keep your accusations to yourself. Why can't that many people be cultists? 24 people in the hole. 6 cultists is reasonable. Suspecting 5 more people after lynching one Scum is reasonable.
MagPiesRUs Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I too had a hunch about Nadir being scum, mostly due to his off the radar behaviour on Day 1 and in particular his voting of Mr. Fitzwilliam after his virgin claim (which coincided with Melaena's vote too), which tipped the balance of votes towards him, and his failure to understand how the lynching process worked. But I suppose he proved his worth yesterday, acting as one of the leaders in the vote against Melaena, which I would argue would be too ballsy a move for a scum to do. His defense today has been pretty sound too, so I'm willing to believe him for now. Here's my other hunch, although it's entirely unrelated to the situation at hand: The Great God IMHOTEP is not in fact a Great God. Rather, he is controlled by a tiny little man within the temple ala the Wizard of Oz. This tiny little man then has wild parties with his now naked virgin guests. The funky lighting that comes from Imhoptep's eyes and mouth is not in fact an otherworldly glow, and is instead a product of the aforementioned wild parties. Look! A pebble! Wait, where are we again? We're still not in Marsails? Who is Imhotep and why is he so hungry? Well, I suppose Mustafa is another target we could go for today, since he's been fairly quiet and has just gone with the flow for the most part, as Mehmet has already mentioned. Plus there was the issue of him pointing out Mr. Anus' edit, which could be taken either way - he may've been either trying to point out the mistake in an attempt to get Anus lynched, or was simply expressing frustration and attempting to gather more votes to counteract this set-back. Either way, it's worth looking in to.
XimenaPaulina Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 If you suspect that many people are cultists, I'm afraid we have a huge problem. Anyway, I'm afraid that all I learned last night is that Mehmet likes to poke me. Out of that list, I'd probably draw out: 1) William Fitzpatrick (CorneliusMurdock) 2) Mellifluous Murgatroyd (scubacarrot) 3) Toulouse Leplot (WhiteFang) 4) Gordon Bennett (KielDaMan) Why do I think this? Based on my observations, these people are only around to defend themselves or to offer small incite into the situation. I might be wrong, I don't know, but these people are on my radar screen. Says the guy who's quite active himself. Quiet? Perhaps. Offering small insights? Please read back again and tell me if I've not made myself heard, and you'll even find that I might have given far more "contributions" than you silly Professor. Making 'quietness' as the basis of suspicion? I guess that's what years of years of attaining your doctorate degree will give you. But don't worry, I won't suspect you the same way that you suspected me. I know better not to suspect someone without anything to back it up. Like what I did yesterday, I will try to look once again on the previous day happenings and actually offer my own suggestion publicly, independent of Mehmet's "Nocturnal Actions Central Command Centre".
WhiteFang Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Yes, finally a right conviction! I am so glad we had nabbed the first cultist. Unfortunately, we also lost one of our own, Fitzwilliam. I am pretty sure we are making progress. Time to consolidate some earlier discussions above.
JimBee Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 So I'm scum because I didn't blindly follow Patrick on a hunch he had the second he switched his vote? No, I suspect you. I've taken what you've said into account, but you could just as easily be lying as telling the truth. Unfortunately that's the dilemma that we all face, all the time... I too had a hunch about Nadir being scum, mostly due to his off the radar behaviour on Day 1 and in particular his voting of Mr. Fitzwilliam after his virgin claim (which coincided with Melaena's vote too), Let me stop you there. I voted before Patrick made his claim, and wasn't around to unvote after. and his failure to understand how the lynching process worked. Please try to follow along. I believe I've explained four or five times now, since Day 2, what I meant. I've understood the way lynching works perfectly since Day 1. Seriously. Does anyone listen around here? Here's my other hunch, although it's entirely unrelated to the situation at hand: The Great God IMHOTEP is not in fact a Great God. Rather, he is controlled by a tiny little man within the temple ala the Wizard of Oz. This tiny little man then has wild parties with his now naked virgin guests. The funky lighting that comes from Imhoptep's eyes and mouth is not in fact an otherworldly glow, and is instead a product of the aforementioned wild parties. Meanwhile I am pondering how you can say that I'm flying under the radar with comments like this? I don't mean to attack everyone who has voiced their suspicions of me but compared to some I am hardly "flying under the radar". Oh, look, Leplot's done it again. I wonder if he'll even read this. Hey Leplot, you're a big fat dummy. And here's just a sentence or two so he doesn't just read the last sentence. I think it has something to do with psychologically, where people only read the first or last sentence of a post and skip over the rest, particularly in long paragraphs. Don't tell him though.
Hinckley Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I think I found something about our friend Tammy Tomato-Face. Let me do this right. Sheila Suxsumb (Tamamono) was, first of all, the person who Papa Smurf switched his protection to last night. I asked why and he said she claimed she was also a Virgin and she was afraid the Cultists had learned it. Furthermore, part of Papa Smurf's suspicion about Patrick was due to a conversation he had with Sheila. I thought this was really odd that Sheila would think she needed more protection than Patrick, who had claimed publicly he was a Virgin. Why would an un-claimed, under-the-radar Virgin need protection over Patrick. I'm confused about that. Then I went back over all of my conversations and found an error. Sheila Suxsumb claimed to me at the end of the first day before the win conditions were posted. She had deciphered the Easter Egg I had left was the color of the word Virgin. Well, she must have tried a little too hard to find the Easter Egg and then actually typed the word in this color not this color. So, considering everyone's suspicion of her from earlier, her behavior in private is even more suspicious. If anyone is on Malaena and Nancy the Snake's team, it has to be Sheila Suxsumb. I feel pretty confident about this. It's the only oddity I can find from the private interactions in the last couple of days.
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Don't tell him though. Don't tell who what? Anyway, I can't say that I don't suspect you as well. Time will probably tell who's telling the truth. Hopefully those of us who are actually Innocent will be alive to find that truth. Sheila, huh? Did Papa Smurf say why he believed her?
WhiteFang Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Why can't that many people be cultists? 24 people in the hole. 6 cultists is reasonable. Suspecting 5 more people after lynching one Scum is reasonable. It make complete sense and it is definitely a likely possibility. Meanwhile I am pondering how you can say that I'm flying under the radar with comments like this? I don't mean to attack everyone who has voiced their suspicions of me but compared to some I am hardly "flying under the radar". Oh, look, Leplot's done it again. I wonder if he'll even read this. Hey Leplot, you're a big fat dummy. And here's just a sentence or two so he doesn't just read the last sentence. I think it has something to do with psychologically, where people only read the first or last sentence of a post and skip over the rest, particularly in long paragraphs. Don't tell him though.
Hinckley Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Sheila, huh? Did Papa Smurf say why he believed her? Papa Smurf isn't notorious for making the smartest decisions when stuck in a hole in the desert...
XimenaPaulina Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I thought this was really odd that Sheila would think she needed more protection than Patrick, who had claimed publicly he was a Virgin. Why would an un-claimed, under-the-radar Virgin need protection over Patrick. If Papa Smurf is indeed telling the truth about Sheila "asking him to protect her instead of Mr. Fitzdef", what Ms. Tomato-face has done is very selfish and un-Innocent-like/anti-Town! Who in their right minds would even think of that in the first place?!? I can't see any logical move in that, putting "the Towniest of Townies" at high risk (and him eventually getting killed) is a a dumb move for an Innocent, especially if she's much much much less useful than the departed ever-so-hardworking Fitz. Obviously this isn't an Innocent townie move, it's a calculated scummy megablock Cultist move. It certainly is no coincidence that the night that Shiela allegedly influentially removed Patrick's protection, Mr. Fitzdef got killed!
Hinckley Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Obviously this isn't an Innocent townie move, it's a calculated scummy megablock Cultist move. It certainly is no coincidence that the night that Shiela allegedly influentially removed Patrick's protection, Mr. Fitzdef got killed! There's way too much activity around people asking to have def's protection removed last night. It's a little mini-storm of Scuminess that is painfully obvious.
XimenaPaulina Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Papa Smurf isn't notorious for making the smartest decisions when stuck in a hole in the desert... Which makes me curious how the hell in this goddamn desert did Papa Smurf trust Shiela in the first place to: a) tell her about his protective role and b) believe that Tomato-Face is more worthy to be protected than Patrick? See what I mean for trusting too early in the game, especially with the wrong people? And for heaven's sake, please request order/instruct Papa Smurf (or any other protector out there) to give you protection tonight and for the coming nights. We've already lost one of the two "Pillars of the Camp", we certainly don't want to lose the other half in you Mehmet. But if Shiela is indeed a Cultist, then I have a bad feeling the Cultists would take out Papa Smurf next (his/her identity known by virtue of communicating with Shiela), and the logically you Mehmet.
Hinckley Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 But if Shiela is indeed a Cultist, then I have a bad feeling the Cultists would take out Papa Smurf next (his/her identity known by virtue of communicating with Shiela), and the logically you Mehmet. Can we have some more protectors please?? Damn it. This concept is really hard to plan for.
Tamamono Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Great job, Mehmet. Real great. You have just outed another Virgin in public. Happy now? Hmm? Isn't it your goal to make all the virgins claim in public? You're doing a wonderful job. Keep up the fantastic work. Pretty soon those scummy cultist bastards will have a full all-you-can-eat buffet to choose from during the Night phase. "Hm, I wonder if I should have the Tammo tonight? The Sandy looks rather delicious as well." Yep, despite my good looks, I am still a Virgin. That can change any time you want it to though, Johnny. Let me do this right. Sheila Suxsumb (Tamamono) was, first of all, the person who Papa Smurf switched his protection to last night. I asked why and he said she claimed she was also a Virgin and she was afraid the Cultists had learned it. You bet I was worried that the cultists had learned about my virginity! You and Papa are the only people I've actually spoken with in private so far this game (except for a message Fitzdef sent me that had "Classic Tammo! " as the first line. Can't he even try to be respectful?), and I was stupid enough to tell you about my virginity. I regretted my decision pretty quickly, but my doubts were soothed as Day 2 started and it became clear that I wasn't the only idiot to trust Manmeat. However, when Fitzdef came out with the investigation result on Manmeat, I almost had a nervous breakdown. I knew I needed to get some protection for the Night, or I else was going to get fed to the rock. Furthermore, part of Papa Smurf's suspicion about Patrick was due to a conversation he had with Sheila. I thought this was really odd that Sheila would think she needed more protection than Patrick, who had claimed publicly he was a Virgin. Why would an un-claimed, under-the-radar Virgin need protection over Patrick. I'm confused about that. Of course I needed more protection than Patrick! Since he had claimed publicly, I assumed the scum wouldn't dare touch him at night. Apparently, I was wrong. Since I had claimed privately, I was less of a target for protection, making me an ideal victim for their killer. I figured if I was able to get Papa Smurf to protect me, then I could save myself and prevent a nightkill. I followed along in Manmeat's shadow for the rest of the Day (and today too, for I had planned to have Papa Smurf protect me again tonight) so that he would see me as a perfect target. I pretended to believe his stupid 'mirror cloak' theory and pretended to look at him through rose-tinted glasses so that he would waste a nightkill on me when I was being protected, but unfortunately, it didn't work. Now, maybe Manmeat really is town, because I can't see him letting me live after I revealed my role to him like that. No one else knew about my role (except Papa Smurf, but that came later), so he could have easily killed me like he did in Fraulein. Then I went back over all of my conversations and found an error. Sheila Suxsumb claimed to me at the end of the first day before the win conditions were posted. She had deciphered the Easter Egg I had left was the color of the word Virgin. Well, she must have tried a little too hard to find the Easter Egg and then actually typed the word in this color not this color. So, considering everyone's suspicion of her from earlier, her behavior in private is even more suspicious. If anyone is on Malaena and Nancy the Snake's team, it has to be Sheila Suxsumb. I feel pretty confident about this. It's the only oddity I can find from the private interactions in the last couple of days. I didn't need to 'decipher' anything, because I am a Virgin. The light blue coloring was in my Role PM. I just didn't bother to check my Role PM before spilling my guts to you because I didn't know how many different shades of blue EB has. Apparently, there are quite a few more than I thought there were. I think it is very unfair of you to be metagaming based on the color of my font. Especially since it was an honest mistake! I am not a cultist. If I wasn't 'valuable food' for 'The Great and Powerful Trixie Imhotep', then I'd tell you to go ahead and lynch me just to see how wrong you are, but unfortunately, the role I got this time is Victim Virgin, and I'd really like it if we could stop the cultists from winning, so lynching me would be seriously detrimental to the cause. Now, I'd like to have a little talk in the corner with our 'ace detective' (), Manmeat... Let me do this right. Sheila Suxsumb (Tamamono) Well, at least you finally got my name right. If Papa Smurf is indeed telling the truth about Sheila "asking him to protect her instead of Mr. Fitzdef", what Ms. Tomato-face has done is very selfish and un-Innocent-like/anti-Town! Who in their right minds would even think of that in the first place?!? I can't see any logical move in that, putting "the Towniest of Townies" at high risk (and him eventually getting killed) is a a dumb move for an Innocent, especially if she's much much much less useful than the departed ever-so-hardworking Fitz. I know it was stupid, but I wouldn't call it selfish. I was almost completely sure that the scum would come after me last night, so I thought that I could prevent them from getting any more virgins by making sure I was protected. I really thought it was a good plan, but then again, I suppose I've said that before. And I'm much, much, much less useful than Fitzdef, huh? Sure, he was a hard worker and a really smart guy, but I wouldn't say I'm much, much, much less useful than him. I try my best to get the scum, and I help out where I can. I'm active in the conversation, always trying to catch a scum slip-up. I work really hard for this camp, and for every camp in a hole in a desert I've ever been stuck in. I think you just miss having a friend to insult people with. Obviously this isn't an Innocent townie move, it's a calculated scummy megablock Cultist move. It certainly is no coincidence that the night that Shiela influentially removed Patrick's protection, Mr. Fitzdef got killed! I may be a complete and total idiot and no good at these games, but even I wouldn't be stupid enough to try to influence the protector to switch his target off the person I planned to kill and onto me if I was scum. Come on, Greaseface, THINK! I would definitely be looked at the next Day, and almost certainly lynched. Either A. It's a coincidence that Fitzdef was killed the night I got Papa Smurf to protect me, or B. Papa Smurf is in fact a scum who tried to incriminate me by killing his former 'target' on the night I got him to switch his protection.
Zepher Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Let us deal with one thing at a time. If Shelia is taken out, and if she is a cultist, then we worry about protecting Papa Smurf. Right now I am ready to vote for Shelia, what is her defense? It appears the two of us were talking at the same time. Does Papa Smurf have the mirror cloak? If so, I'm less trustful of him, it still seems wrong.
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Does Papa Smurf have the mirror cloak? If so, I'm less trustful of him, it still seems wrong. What seems wrong? That he switched protection based on Sheila's claims or something else? I'm surprised at you, Sheila. I expected a better speech given the absurdly long amount of time it took you to come up with it. If you aren't scum, you're a bit selfish, aren't you? We're trying to get out of this hole together. Leaving someone the town trusted unprotected to save your own megablocks isn't exactly what I'd consider Townie teamwork.
Hinckley Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Great job, Mehmet. Real great. You have just outed another Virgin in public. Happy now? Hmm? Isn't it your goal to make all the virgins claim in public? You're doing a wonderful job. Keep up the fantastic work. Pretty soon those scummy cultist bastards will have a full all-you-can-eat buffet to choose from during the Night phase. "Hm, I wonder if I should have the Tammo tonight? The Sandy looks rather delicious as well." ... I may be a complete and total idiot and no good at these games, but even I wouldn't be stupid enough to try to influence the protector to switch his target off the person I planned to kill and onto me if I was scum. Come on, Greaseface, THINK! I would definitely be looked at the next Day, and almost certainly lynched. Either A. It's a coincidence that Fitzdef was killed the night I got Papa Smurf to protect me, or B. Papa Smurf is in fact a scum who tried to incriminate me by killing his former 'target' on the night I got him to switch his protection. I didn't out you. You guys keep doing this. Stop claiming it in public. It's really stupid. Nobody's forcing you too. If someone says something in public, you can defend yourself in private. I know what you said and I really believe you. You know you were the Campbell's Soup Kid on my list. I was so happy for you because you seemed really into working for the Town and we were both following a suspicion on ... Bam-Bam. Let's call him. But, if you are on the level, you should've told me you were talking to Papa Smurf about that. And you're not the only one who wanted protection taken off of Patrick last night. This is really starting to stink. I was always suspicious of your claim because of the timing. But the big mistake was approaching Papa Smurf about the protection. I bet Papa Smurf is the Scum's target tonight. You were probably worried he'd expose you. And you took advantage of his suspicion, because I had asked him about the possibility of switching. I am not ready to admit who tricked me along with you. I'm really embarrassed. I ... really have a ton of respect for you now. I'm so pissed, but mostly at myself. Good for you. Def is going to have a field day when he reads this. I so ducked it up. Does Papa Smurf have the mirror cloak? If so, I'm less trustful of him, it still seems wrong. No, that's Goofy. How could Papa Smurf be Goofy. Don't be silly. Hold the phone! Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God. I messed up. I need to quit Mafia after this one. Oh Jesus. I may even allow def to choose a new title for me after this one. Give me a minute please. Put the rope away for Tammo. Tomato-Face was absolutely right about something. Something still stinks...but I made a big error reading my PMs... Hold the phone. I'll be back. Oh my God, I need to slow down and calm down.
Hinckley Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 So... First of all, Thanks Tomato-Face for calmly explaining by PM where I had gone wrong in my thinking. That shows quite a growth in strategy even just from your first reaction to my accusation to the conversation we just had. So, again, good job. Here's what I just learned. 1. I'm an idiot. 2. While Tammo could still be a Cultist, I misread the PM from Papa Smurf and he was actually willing to protect her before she asked. There's a really good reason for this. This Bam-Bam that the three of us have been suspicious of could possibly know that Tammo is a Virgin and it would make sense to protect her considering some of the conversations that have happened in private. Or they'll all Scum and I'm an idiot. 3. Tomato-Face also pointed out a flaw in my argument that I can't explain because of the game's concept. Even if I wrote a play to explain it, it could give someone away. It's a really weird nuance, but she's right and she was smart for picking it up. 4. After being sick for 5 days and not being able to think, my brain is on overdrive and I may be thinking too much. I spent all night reading over PMs and latched onto something that is possibly not at all what I first thought. I should've rested my eyes and taken a good look before going off half-cocked. This doesn't mean Sheila isn't Scum, but my case isn't as strong as I originally thought and she deserves to be investigated and cleared. We can't risk voting her out. There's something valid about our private conversation. I hope I can explain it tomorrow, but for now, please trust me and I'll try to think before I make my next accusation. I really have that sinking feeling in my stomach right now. I felt like we had learned so much, but that's two possibly false accusations in a row. I'm going to bed before I accuse somebody else. Sorry. I feel like I let everyone down. I didn't out you. You guys keep doing this. Stop claiming it in public. It's really stupid. Nobody's forcing you too. Not only did I use the wrong form of "too," I am completely wrong. I did out you. You did not claim in public. I'm so sorry. I still think your claim could be a total lie. It's the weakest of the claims I've received, but wow ... hindsight is really 20/20. I just have to admit, this is my most embarrassing Mafia moment since Zepher got me killed in MCII. I'm going to go crawl back in my hole in the sand and fart.
Cecilie Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 And I'm much, much, much less useful than Fitzdef, huh? Sure, he was a hard worker and a really smart guy, but I wouldn't say I'm much, much, much less useful than him. You forget that Fitzdef was our contact with the investigator, so objectively, at the time, that at least made him sligtly more useful than you . I'm not convinced you're scum, but I'm a bit confused about wether you trust or don't trust Mehmet now . Oh, and Mehmet, you did actually out Sheila when you said in public that she had claimed Virgin to you
Hinckley Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 You forget that Fitzdef was our contact with the investigator, so objectively, at the time, that at least made him sligtly more useful than you . I'm not convinced you're scum, but I'm a bit confused about wether you trust or don't trust Mehmet now . I don't trust me either right now. That was... just ... ducked up. Oh, and Mehmet, you did actually out Sheila when you said in public that she had claimed Virgin to you I know. I already caught that and admitted it. I'm clearly not reading things right tonight. I'm going to quit while I'm way behind here.
XimenaPaulina Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 And I'm much, much, much less useful than Fitzdef, huh? Sure, he was a hard worker and a really smart guy, but I wouldn't say I'm much, much, much less useful than him. I try my best to get the scum, and I help out where I can. I'm active in the conversation, always trying to catch a scum slip-up. I work really hard for this camp, and for every camp in a hole in a desert I've ever been stuck in. I think you just miss having a friend to insult people with. Ok, the "much much much thing" might've been a bit exaggerated, and I'm sure you're a "hard-worker"at these types of situations, but it's still a no-brainer that Mr. Fitz is more "valuable" than you and I would've wanted him to be alive right now than you. Heck, if I was in your position, I would gladly sacrifice myself and take a bullet to save Patrick since I know he is much more useful than I am in this desert hole - it's called "taking one for the team". You might be an Innocent, but you made a big and risky move that backfired against us, double black-eye at that: a) your plan got Patrick killed (one of our most valuable Townies) and b) as a consequence of your "uncoordinated" plan, you made Mehmet wrongly suspicious about you which eventually outed your Virginity. Looks like the cowardly Cultists are enjoying themselves right now with this Townie mess-up. Come on, Greaseface, THINK! I suggest you do the same Tomato-face, and put more effort on it, especially when "planning your moves". Even if your uncoordinated moves are highly questionable, I will still give you the benefit of the doubt and will follow Mehmet's admission that he wrongly accused you. I know all of what I've just said is "unproductive" as it doesn't really move us forward in finding out the Cultists, sorry but I just can't help feel disappointed with what happened.
XimenaPaulina Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 There's way too much activity around people asking to have def's protection removed last night. Then who the heck are these "know-it-alls" who suspiciously asked to remove Patrick's protection last night? I'm not asking you to divulge them publicly, but at least you'll be able to "evaluate" them and their hidden intentions based on your conversations with them. Still, I don't understand why any Innocent would do that move unless they have a "good plan" or they're simply as paranoid as Ms. Tomato-Face there.
Professor Flitwick Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Well, I'll start by regurgitating what others have said. Aw, we lost the hard working Pizdefilliam, Bhaa-haa-haa, we sacrificed a cultist. I find it odd that protection was moved from the one and only confirmed virgin, but at the same time, I believe getting the font colour wrong is a mistake anyone can make. Not much else I can really say; I'm still looking through the drilling of Nadir and Shelia, and I need to send some messages. Ta-ta for now.
Fugazi Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 What do we have so far? Nadir is scum, Nadir is not scum, Sheila is a Virgin, Sheila is scum, Sheila is not scum... Not sure we're making any real progress here. We may have to start to focus on the less active players, although the lynch based on that sort of thinking didn't prove to be very wise. Voting patterns don't seem to be very revealing either. There are a few people who both voted Father Tomato on the first day and didn't vote Malaena yesterday, but perhaps the actual scum are the people who did the exact opposite? A perfect record is sometimes as suspicious as a dead wrong one. I am inclined to believe Nadir's arguments, although he gave the appearance of protecting Malaena for a short while there, in reality he was instrumental in having her convicted. His actions are difficult to justify were he a scum. Going back through my notes, I happened upon this accusation by Gordon that was forgotten when the discussion moved on to the Cultist investigation result on Mehmet. If I can quote some of it here: It is at this point that, when the voting seems to be turning in favor of our only confirmed Innocent Mr. Fitz, that Ms. Ophelia Balls (fhomess) and Ms. Jennifer Taylor (Sandy) began to vote for Mr. Fitz, in succession, to once again put Mr. Fitz in the lead in the vote tally. Once Mr. Fitz was forced to reveal his Virginity, I, your reliable greasy engineer tied things up once more when I voted for Roger in order to possibly save a Virgin in Mr. Fitz. Then Ms. Balls suspiciously followed and unvoted for Mr. Fitz, BUT instead of voting for Mr. Fitz's closest 'rival' at that point (Mr. Goodenarde), Ms. Balls inexplicably chose to vote for Ms. Taylor (who was in no way in danger at that point). Owing to his vast experience in these types of situations, Mr. Fitz immediately noticed these suspicious behavior from Ms. Balls: I think this is a scummy move. Voting for me late, unvoting me quickly, and then throwing your vote away on Taylor (who certainly has been of no help whatsoever other than her helpful, condescending lecture showing me the error of my ways ). You can't really care about the truth of my statements if you won't make a move to save me. This is a legitimate Finger of Shame aimed at you for your behavior today. Was it a half-assed/half-hearted move from Ms. Balls? I'm sorry Ophelia, I know you "asked for advice" from me privately regarding this, but I think the rest deserves to know the reasoning behind your suspicions move. And mind you, these two were also the first ones to test Ms. Taylor's questionable voting tactic, with Ms. Balls "starting" with her weirdo moment of voting-unvoting-revoting of Mr. Lelplot followed by Ms. Taylor's (being true to her word) voting the same. A staged act perhaps? Neither of Ms Taylor or Ms Balls ever replied to Mr Bennett's observations. Have they done so privately? Perhaps Mr Bennett could update us on this matter.
XimenaPaulina Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Going back through my notes, I happened upon this accusation by Gordon that was forgotten when the discussion moved on to the Cultist investigation result on Mehmet. If I can quote some of it here: Neither of Ms Taylor or Ms Balls ever replied to Mr Bennett's observations. Have they done so privately? Perhaps Mr Bennett could update us on this matter. Unfortunately, neither of them have addressed my accusations on them, either publicly (game thread) or privately (PM). After I made that public accusation, the late Mr. Fitz however "alerted" me privately that he was leaning towards Ms. Balls as a Townie: I'm leaning Town on fhomess... He really doesn't know good strategy yet. Not the strongest "defending of a player", but I respected Patrick's experience on "reading people", that's why I didn't push through with the accusation anymore. But it is indeed striking that they didn't even bother to answer the points I have raised. Ms. Taylor had a lot of explaining to do when Hugh "went after her", but Ms. Balls... she just kept silent... If not for Patrick's 'defense' I would have went after her too.. Anyone still think Ms. Taylor or Ms. Balls are worth lookin' at?
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