timslegos Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 Those prices are ridiculous. Maybe Lego is trying to dissuade people buying just the motors. At that point, it is more cost effective to buy the whole set. tim Quote
Crtlego Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 Those prices are ridiculous. Maybe Lego is trying to dissuade people buying just the motors. At that point, it is more cost effective to buy the whole set. tim Indeed.. but its still too much money either way. I have a feeling these prices will fall sharply once they are sold on Lego Shop At Home like the rest of the PF parts.. Quote
timslegos Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 I have a feeling these prices will fall sharply once they are sold on Lego Shop At Home like the rest of the PF parts.. I hope that they actually sell them in shop @ home. Again they might only make them available in the set. tim Quote
DLuders Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Is it me, or has the reciever a new number? Yes, it appears that the PF Receiver that comes with this 9398 4x4 Crawler set DOES HAVE a different Element ID. From the fuzzy parts list scan on the previous page, it has Element ID 6020086 (different from the 4566756 PF Receiver that came with the 8043 Motorized Excavator). I wonder if there are internal circuitry differences with this "new" PF Receiver"? I like "The Mind"'s picture of his new, colorful 9398 4x4 Crawler next to his grey 8297 Off Roader: Edited July 4, 2012 by DLuders Quote
bricky300 Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I think we're more interested in the model than single motors! So who has it built yet???? I have instruction bookletts 1+2 completted,what means all bags numbered with 1 are used up Quote
Jurgen Krooshoop Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Does anybody know exactly how big the L-motor is ? Is it 3x3x6 like the M-motor or is it bigger ? I was hoping to use these L-motors in my Zorex excavator, but if they're bigger than 3x3, they will not fit... Quote
GuiliuG Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Yes they are bigger. Their lenght is 7, not 6 for instance. Quote
vmln8r Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Does anybody know exactly how big the L-motor is ? Is it 3x3x6 like the M-motor or is it bigger ? 3x4x7, with 3x3 front and rear mounts. Quote
Zerobricks Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I think we got an new IR receiver with a larger current capacity to power both motors, hence the new ID. Quote
Lasse D Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (...) Don't get me wrong though.. the9398 is nothing compared to what AFOL's have built, but for LEGO, this is an enormous step in the right direction. (...) Seriously!? The speed of this thing is much greater than what you see the typical trial truck perform at. Add to that the design which has to be sturdy enough for childrens play while still being buildable by a child and you have a great model - even when considering AFOL models. IMHEO. Quote
timslegos Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I think we got an new IR receiver with a larger current capacity to power both motors, hence the new ID. I hope you are right. If this were the case, would lego phase out the old version? Or sell two versions? tim Quote
DLuders Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) We still know nothing about L motor :(. On this TechnicBRICKS topic, Fernando Correia (Conchas) commented: "As I've anticipated yesterday in this post, PF L-motor speed might be pretty the same as the former M-Motor. "I measure 340-360rpm for the L-Motor with LEGO Speed Computer with a PF Rechargeable Battery at 8,36V (fresh recharged). In the same conditions conditions M-Motor runs at 360-380rpm. "These are not ideal measures like Philo uses to do in his setup (9V steady power supply and optically measured non-load speed). In such conditions I should have measured the same 405rpm for the L-motor has he did and I'm sure the M-motor would follow very close (virtually the same speed) as the planetary stage suggests. "As for the torque also no precise measures, however while a one can easily stop the M-Motor with one hand (directly gripping to an output axle) the same is not possible for the L-Motor (Ok! I'm not the strongest guy in the world...). But this gives already a rough idea on what we got. "As for the weight, while the PF M-motor weights 31g, PF L-motor has 43g and PF SV-motor has 41g. Agoin not yet very precise." Menno Gorter said "The L-motor may not consume more than an M-motor, since two of the L-motors have to act on one receiver-output ! The best way to get more torque, at the same speed and current, is a much higher efficiency. The shape reveals an electro-motor with a wider rotor and bigger magnets..... ;-)" Edited June 26, 2012 by DLuders Quote
davidmull Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 This waiting is pain steaking :( anyone built the model yet or any videos around. Taught lots of Germans would have something out by now?! Quote
jacobkristensen Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I think we got an new IR receiver with a larger current capacity to power both motors, hence the new ID. I hope so too, I wouldn't mind one that handle nearly the double current... Quote
freakwave Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I think we got an new IR receiver with a larger current capacity to power both motors, hence the new ID. Hm, may be somebody could open his and take a picture of the driver-circuit like here: PF-IR-Receiver internals on Brickshelf Especially take note of the little guy with the "LB1836" printed on, respectively his replacement. Pictures are not mine but having opened oneby myself I can say that opening the IR-Receiver is not damaging it, there are four screws at the bottom. Very easy to disassemble and put together again. :-) Quote
Meatman Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 After seeing the build process for the Crawler, I must admit that I am a little less excited now. Mainly because I guess I was expecting it to be a little more advanced. Quote
Zerobricks Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 One more question. The tyres, are they same as 8297, rubber hardness, slippingness inisde the rims? Quote
davidmull Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 After seeing the build process for the Crawler, I must admit that I am a little less excited now. Mainly because I guess I was expecting it to be a little more advanced. And u seen this where!? Quote
timslegos Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 And u seen this where!? There was a link on the last page after the pictures of the building process. Tim Quote
davidmull Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 One more question. The tyres, are they same as 8297, rubber hardness, slippingness inisde the rims? I don't have 8297 ,are the tires bigger than what's on the rear of 8455/8069 ? Iv power pullers to try :) too big maybe but will look cool :) Quote
Meatman Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 And u seen this where!? I seen a link at Technicbricks to a German site where a guy posted a bunch of pictures while he was building it. I think the same link is here. Quote
efferman Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) the mind has made a simple test to find out which power the new L motor has. a liftarm is connected to the motor and press it on a weighing machine. the M has pressed 310g, the L 475g, and the XL 785g. so it seems that the L has roundabout 50% more power than the M motor and the mind says the L motor is slower than the M motor edit: btw Edited June 26, 2012 by efferman Quote
davidmull Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Looks great with the power puller wheels,anymore pics of it please? Quote
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