Yakuza Family - Day 2

[Rufus]

Here are a couple of things I find especially interesting about Momoe:

Thinking things over, I'm inclined to believe that Yasu is a role cop, but the question remains whether she is scum or town. Role cop could be a useful role for either; perhaps more so for scum who have to find out whom to target at night.

First there comes the case about the scum role cop. Now, automatically believing a stretch like that would make her seem kind of crazy at first, but when Yasu-chan came up as scum, it would give Momoe-chan a lot of credibility, and it did. Momoe-chan saw the way Yasu-chan was completely failing to defend herself, and she decided that it would be best to bus her. However, I have learned from experience that very often the ones who present the correct theory out of the blue are scum themselves setting the groundwork for a lot of credibility later. This is obviously what Momoe-chan is doing here.

Scum roles cops are very rare. Why would Momoe-chan immediately arrive at the conclusion that there would be one?

Well, I'd love to claim the credit for thinking that Yasu might be a scum role cop, but I'm afraid I got the idea from someone else:

Yes. I contacted her earlier saying that I thought she was scum, but I was willing to listen to reason, and she immediately claimed to me. I'm not sure if I believe it, but Role Cop is a terrible false claim for a scum, so I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Or maybe she's a scum Role Cop...

[Tamamono]

Well, I'd love to claim the credit for thinking that Yasu might be a scum role cop, but I'm afraid I got the idea from someone else:

Funny, because you seemed perfectly happy to ignore that fact that I suggested it yesterday, but now you're willing to point it out. Duly noted.

Besides, this a point I was going to make but didn't, but something like that is a theory that only someone like me could come up with.

People, I urge you to look at Momoe - she is scum! When I come out the dragon's nose as a bunch of slimy orange snot, then please consider what I have said today!

[badboytje88]

Votes so far:

Ichirou (Tamamono): 21 Votes

Eskallon, Rumble Strike, Zakura, Scubacarrot, Etzel, Def, Bob, CorneliusMurdock, Peanuts, Rick, Rufus, Alopex, Cecilie, Brickdoctor, Whitefang, Professor Flitwick, JimButcher, CallMePieOrDie, The Legonator, Masked Builder, Nightshroud99

Lizzy (Capt. Redblade): 1 Vote

Volcanicpanik,

Momoe (Rufus): 1 Vote

Tamamono,

[Nightshroud99]

Please, elaborate?

Elaborate on what? My rough night was meant by something in real life

[Scubacarrot]

Elaborate on what? My rough night was meant by something in real life

I meant that you already knew last night who you were going to vote for...

[Capt. Redblade]

I'm kind of torn between Maniko and Ichirou right now. Ichirou is much more vocal in his actions, and I am suspicious of his conviction in learning everyone's roles. He could be a Scum trying to deduce who the most dangerous Yakuza are so he can direct his scummy teammates at them, or he could just be an innocent Townie trying to learn who to keep on his good side so he can win.

Maniko, on the other hand, has given no valuable input, is giving answers that are more mind-screwy than those of the dearly departed Yasu-chan, and has role-claimed as the Jester. Now, this could have been a stupid attempt to get herself lynched which backfired completely, or it could be a very cunning move disguised to look like said, but was in reality a brilliant tactic to avoid getting lynched.

And behind Door #3, though it pains me to say this, is my own mother, Emi-chan, with whom I have spoken in private and with whom I have attempted to make peace, but who has made no attempts to work out our differences.

Below, I have transcribed her very words to me:

I know it sounds uncooperative and hopeless, but in my eyes, you've admitted to doing what I've accused you of and you remain the most suspicious suspect. I'll change my vote only if someone else comes along more suspicious than you.

Note that I extended an olive branch, I legitimately tried to make peace. And yet, when I asked her to elaborate on where she saw an admission of guilt on my part, I received no response, and am, in fact, still waiting for one.

Perhaps she is not as scummy as the other two, but she has been very obtuse and unhelpful in my conversations with her.

Oy. I'm gonna need a minute with this one.

[MetroiD]

As I suggested earlier, you have single-handedly landed yourself in hot water, my son - and there might really be no getting away. However, there is another issue I'd like to address at this point, and one I think is even more important.

Our fearless James-Bond-wanna-be Norio has stated in private to me that he did not want to, or had the time to lead the Family in this fight against the Mutineers, as can be verified by our personal correspondence which he so helpfully published for all to see towards the end of Day 1. However, he has since then tried not only to solidify his position as an esteemed Yakuza, but has also aimed ridicule at anyone who does not agree with him, while at the same time claiming that they are giving him attitude. I can't even begin to understand what attitude he might be speaking of here, considering how very little he's helped our common cause - and, quite frankly, I don't understand why he considers himself to be the chosen one when in fact so far his contribution to our mutual cause has been extremely misleading.

Unfortunately, that last observation actually has nothing to do with the run-in we had yesterday. It is merely based on the fact that Norio has ceaselessly been jumping from one conclusion to another and trying to lead Town in all the wrong directions. During the first few hours of Day 1 and Day 2 he contradicted himself on mutliple occasions by stating that the Mutineers would supposedly not want to remain silent, but then urging the Family to consider voting off people who haven't spoken too much. I repeat - that has already happened twice over the course of the last two days. It might just be a very cautious Townie talking there, but then why would he behave the way he does if he was cautious to begin with? Everyone can quite easily see for themselves where Norio has been and how he has behaved; and we all witnessed the way he was only too keen to jump on the Yasu and Ichirou bandwagons, without really substantiating his decisions to vote against these Family members. I do hope I have been helpful to you there, Norio, since I did share my suspicions regarding both of them with you very early in the game... In Yasu's case, Norio had aimed his suspicions elsewhere before claiming that her lack of defence convinced him she was scum. What's worse, he invested quite a bit of effort into persuading people that Yasu should not be voted off, and then went on to suggest that the Family's vote was ill-advised, even after having contributed to it so eagerly all of a sudden.

In the case of Ichirou, he presented us with a nice little list of people he thought we should be suspicious of, which did not even make mention of Ichirou, and then all of a sudden by midday Norio came back, telling us in at the same posttime that he's not convinced he should vote against Ichirou, but nevertheless opted to come back into the room swiftly and edit his post opinion so that he actually does vote Ichirou off. How he manages to persuade himself over the course of one single and not too long monologue (unlike this one) is really amazing. Perhaps that was done just in case someone's keeping tabs on who votes when? But in any case, it's something Grandfather is very much against, as stated in the Rules before this whole ordeal even started...

The worst part is that since yesterday I've been suspecting something which now has been confirmed to me in private as really being the case - and that is that def and Ichirou are working closely together. Just a few minutes ago, after I tried to reason him into sharing with me why he trusts his "circle of Townies" and what kind of information they have that might protect him, Ichirou told me that he was "waiting for def to wake up" and bring forward some valuable information. Forgive me, but I don't really want to wait so I will just go ahead and

Vote: Norio (def)

whom I believe is the greater of two evils today. In fact, I even think that Ichirou might have been mislead into believing that Norio is actually a loyal Family member and then fed false information and guidance by him in the first place - which might provide some reason for his extremely erratic behaviour today.

Yasu supposedly did role claim on Day 1 to Norio and Ichirou, remember? And they were telling her when to role claim in public and how to go about it. Now that Yasu has been confirmed as having been a scummy Mutineer, I hope Norio won't be too mad at me for actually pointing the finger at him, as he "dared" me earlier today. While I know that there might not be too many people following up this vote of mine, I am eager to hear both Ichirou and Norio's sides of that story - at least in order to check whether it's the same story they have in store for us…

[Nightshroud99]

I meant that you already knew last night who you were going to vote for...

Because I made several posts about Ichirou and why I suspected him. He had done nothing to change my mind up to then and I doubt that anything else could have changed it when I woke up.

[The Legonater]

The worst part is that since yesterday I've been suspecting something which now has been confirmed to me in private as really being the case - and that is that def and Ichirou are working closely together. Just a few minutes ago, after I tried to reason him into sharing with me why he trusts his "circle of Townies" and what kind of information they have that might protect him, Ichirou told me that he was "waiting for def to wake up" and bring forward some valuable information. Forgive me, but I don't really want to wait so I will just go ahead and

Vote: Norio (def)

Who is def?

Nonetheless, this is quite the compelling argument. I'm not totally convinced, but I'm sure I will be soon, so I shall Copy+Paste Unvote: Ichirou (Tamamono) and await the results of this... revelation to determine my final vote.

[MetroiD]

Who is def?

Did you not notice the quotes, young one?

And -- final vote? We can vote as many times as we want to before the day is over. If Norio provides logical explanation for his deeds, I'd be willing to change my vote since I do have a list of other people I have been watching closely now. However, none of them even come close to the level of noise that my scumdar has been giving off when aimed in Norio's way - and while I do admit that he's cautioned me how broken my scumdar seems to be, I must also point out that for the loyal member of this Family that he claims he is, he's doing a very lousy job of bringing it together and guiding it in the right direction. So I hope he forgives me if I do take his claims with a pinch of salt.

[Scubacarrot]

Because I made several posts about Ichirou and why I suspected him. He had done nothing to change my mind up to then and I doubt that anything else could have changed it when I woke up.

Thanks for that, that seems logical

[Brickdoctor]

And behind Door #3, though it pains me to say this, is my own mother, Emi-chan, with whom I have spoken in private and with whom I have attempted to make peace, but who has made no attempts to work out our differences.

Below, I have transcribed her very words to me:

Note that I extended an olive branch, I legitimately tried to make peace. And yet, when I asked her to elaborate on where she saw an admission of guilt on my part, I received no response, and am, in fact, still waiting for one.

Perhaps she is not as scummy as the other two, but she has been very obtuse and unhelpful in my conversations with her.

Oy. I'm gonna need a minute with this one.

Sorry, I missed your reply where you asked for the admission:

Were my actions impulsive? Yes. Were they sheepish? Perhaps so. Were they a collectively stupid move that might have resulted in me completely kneecapping myself? The more I think about it, yeah. Were they scummy? Absolutely not, and whatever course of action is seen fit to prove my innocence is one for I which I will lead the crusade.

I suspected you for being a sheep and for jumping around. You said that you acted impulsively, and that obviously refers to jumping around on different people. You said that perhaps you were a sheep. You don't deny either.

You are still a suspect. You have done nothing to help our effort to kill the Scum. (and if you have, I'm certainly not aware of it) Like it or not, I don't trust you, and, if it weren't for how Ichirou is acting, I would have nothing against voting for you.

[badboytje88]

Votes so far:

Ichirou (Tamamono): 20 Votes

Eskallon, Rumble Strike, Zakura, Scubacarrot, Etzel, Def, Bob, CorneliusMurdock, Peanuts, Rick, Rufus, Alopex, Cecilie, Brickdoctor, Whitefang, Professor Flitwick, JimButcher, CallMePieOrDie, Masked Builder, Nightshroud99

Lizzy (Capt. Redblade): 1 Vote

Volcanicpanik,

Momoe (Rufus): 1 Vote

Tamamono,

Norio (Def): 1 Vote

MetroiD

[Eskallon]

Interesting Nokuo, especially since I too have been suspecting him for a while, heres a quote from my PM conversation with Ichirou:

And yes, Roadrunner did claim to me without me asking him. Apparently, def has found the real town blocker, so we'll see where that goes.

Def told me. I then told him who Roadrunner is.

I later asked def to confirm this in PM, I am still awaiting a reply. However my evidence supports your theory that they are working together.

I don't think its time to turn this around yet though my father in law, I think let Ichirou get voted out today, and whoever the town vigilant is has a nice pick between our Jester and Def, then we have an easy sailing day tomorrow. Besides, if Ichirou turns out scum, we can automatically assume Def is too, whereas if its the other way around then we cant assume Ichirou is scum.

I advise you all to keep your votes as they are for now until we hear something from Def.

[Capt. Redblade]

Sorry, I missed your reply where you asked for the admission:

I suspected you for being a sheep and for jumping around. You said that you acted impulsively, and that obviously refers to jumping around on different people. You said that perhaps you were a sheep. You don't deny either.

You are still a suspect. You have done nothing to help our effort to kill the Scum. (and if you have, I'm certainly not aware of it) Like it or not, I don't trust you, and, if it weren't for how Ichirou is acting, I would have nothing against voting for you.

Thank you, this is the kind of answer I wanted. With Door #3 now closing, I look once more to Ichirou and Maniko, and after studying the conversation once more, I feel the right move would be to...

Vote: Ichirou (Tamamono)

[Tamamono]

Interesting Nokuo, especially since I too have been suspecting him for a while, heres a quote from my PM conversation with Ichirou:

I did send Norio-sama a message containing the name of Roadrunner, but I deleted it before Norio-sama could see it. While he does seem pretty pro-town to me, I can't be ruling out the possibility that Norio-sama is scum. I've been kind of looking at him through rose-tinted glasses today and yesterday, and that's a stupid thing to do so early in the game.

I don't think its time to turn this around yet though my father in law, I think let Ichirou get voted out today, and whoever the town vigilant is has a nice pick between our Jester and Def, then we have an easy sailing day tomorrow. Besides, if Ichirou turns out scum, we can automatically assume Def is too, whereas if its the other way around then we cant assume Ichirou is scum.

Everyone should know that scum will go to great lengths to stay away from each other - not the other way around. If we were both scum, then we would go to opposite ends of the Temple and not make eye contact with one another as to keep the townies guessing. But that's not the case, as we've made it clear that we're working together. Only one of us, at most, is scum, and I know it's not me.

I am not scum! I am town, and have worked daily to catch the Mutineers. Isn't there anything I can do to prove that to you people?

[CMP]

I don't think its time to turn this around yet though my father in law, I think let Ichirou get voted out today, and whoever the town vigilant is has a nice pick between our Jester and Def, then we have an easy sailing day tomorrow. Besides, if Ichirou turns out scum, we can automatically assume Def is too, whereas if its the other way around then we cant assume Ichirou is scum.

I agree.

You have very valid points, but I'm just not sure if this is really the time to be switching our votes.

[MetroiD]

But that's not the case, as we've made it clear that we're working together.

You have not made it clear - you've been called out for apparently having cooperated quite a lot lately.

If that's the case though, and you're innocent, as you claim, are you not at least a bit flabbergasted that someone you've worked with so closely and confided in has been so quick to vote against you!?

[Brickdoctor]

Thank you, this is the kind of answer I wanted. With Door #3 now closing, I look once more to Ichirou and Maniko, and after studying the conversation once more, I feel the right move would be to...

Way to contradict yourself. In private, I said,

Sorry, I missed this reply.

Were my actions impulsive? Yes. Were they sheepish? Perhaps so. Were they a collectively stupid move that might have resulted in me completely kneecapping myself? The more I think about it, yeah.

And you instead said,

An admission of stupidity is not the same as an admission of guilt. I cop to stupidity, but not to the Scum-haviour of which you accuse me.

To which I replied,

Scumminess is in the eye of the beholder.

I said you had done something.

You admitted to doing those things, though you call them stupidity.

I think the things you did are Scummy (stupidity undecided).

Therefore, in my eyes, you admitted to doing something Scummy. Whether the others will view your actions the same way is unknown to me, but as far as I'm concerned, you've admitted to acting Scummy.

And after that, you decided to say,

Fine, think what you will, and prepare to look incredibly foolish if anything happens to me.

It's clear to me that that was not the answer you wanted. You just wanted to look like you agree with me in public. Why? Because you're realizing that there's nothing you can do to make me forget about all the suspicious things you've done, and you want to appear to be aligned with an active Townie who's already brought up a case that ended in a Scum lynch? Or did you only understand what I was saying in public because I broke it up into bite-size chunks for you?

I am not scum! I am town, and have worked daily to catch the Mutineers. Isn't there anything I can do to prove that to you people?

You could try jumping into the dragon's mouth.

[Tamamono]

If that's the case though, and you're innocent, as you claim, are you not at least a bit flabbergasted that someone you've worked with so closely and confided in has been so quick to vote against you!?

I am flabbergasted about it, but I wouldn't say I've confided much in him. I've been trying my best to keep him at arm's length, but I do have a hard time of that with Norio.

Plus, Norio did make a list of useless people he wanted to pick someone from, and then voted for me just to go with the crowd. He even said that he thought I was town, but he would vote for me for lack of a better option. That's not a very 'Norio' kind of thing to do.

You could try jumping into the dragon's mouth.

Correction: Is there any way I could prove this to you people that does not involve dying? You people are making a big mistake! I'm town, and I want to help the town catch the Mutineers. I can't help if I'm dead, can I?

[CMP]

Correction: Is there any way I could prove this to you people that does not involve dying? You people are making a big mistake! I'm town, and I want to help the town catch the Mutineers. I can't help if I'm dead, can I?

So far, Yasu has done a better job catching us Mutineers.... No, there's really not. Sorry. You're suspect number one and our best bet for voting today.

[Tamamono]

So far, Yasu has done a better job catching us Mutineers.... No, there's really not. Sorry. You're suspect number one and our best bet for voting today.

I've been clumsy, not suspicious. Being a clumsy scum is a noob mistake, and I'm fairly experienced. I'm trying to take a helpful position in the town, and I'm having trouble with it. What will it take to get you to believe that - it's the truth, damn it!

[badboytje88]

Votes so far:

Ichirou (Tamamono): 21 Votes

Eskallon, Rumble Strike, Zakura, Scubacarrot, Etzel, Def, Bob, CorneliusMurdock, Peanuts, Rick, Rufus, Alopex, Cecilie, Brickdoctor, Whitefang, Professor Flitwick, JimButcher, CallMePieOrDie, Masked Builder, Nightshroud99, Capt. Redblade,

Lizzy (Capt. Redblade): 1 Vote

Volcanicpanik,

Momoe (Rufus): 1 Vote

Tamamono,

Norio (Def): 1 Vote

MetroiD

Edited February 26, 2012 by badboytje88

[CMP]

I've been clumsy, not suspicious. Being a clumsy scum is a noob mistake, and I'm fairly experienced. I'm trying to take a helpful position in the town, and I'm having trouble with it. What will it take to get you to believe that - it's the truth, damn it!

See, now I recognize what you're doing. These sorts of defenses have little chance of success the first time, and are pretty much useless any more times afterward.

This is a lovely show, though. Do go on, I'm curious to see how big your horns are this time around.

PS, if you really are a townie, it's called a defense, not repeated swearing to get everyone to not lynch me.

[def]

And, Ichirou, you're getting pretty upset now that you are voted for, using lot's of bold and caps quite a volume of speech. Reminds me of some cultist I read about...

Actually, when piles of inanity land at your feet, sometimes irritation is a natural human reaction.

However, he has since then tried not only to solidify his position as an esteemed Yakuza, but has also aimed ridicule at anyone who does not agree with him, while at the same time claiming that they are giving him attitude.

No, mainly just you, you megablock. You spent a day telling me I had attitude and to cooperate. I had no attitude and cooperated with you. You proceeded to not cooperate with me, and had a crap attitude. Your behavior so far is blindly hypocritical to say the least. Today you bitch about childishness. Let me tell you something: when you're as blatantly wrong as you were day one, the mature thing to do is to admit it, apologize, and move on. But you still 100% place the blame at me. So, grow up, move on, look in the mirror, etc etc.

I don't care about your vote, my town block is solid, and most people aren't so blindly myopic to still harp on things. Now that Yasu-chan is gone, it looks like you have taken her place as worst player here. Unfortunately, you are likely town, so I won't be voting for you for now.

The worst part is that since yesterday I've been suspecting something which now has been confirmed to me in private as really being the case - and that is that def and Ichirou are working closely together. Just a few minutes ago, after I tried to reason him into sharing with me why he trusts his "circle of Townies" and what kind of information they have that might protect him, Ichirou told me that he was "waiting for def to wake up" and bring forward some valuable information. Forgive me, but I don't really want to wait so I will just go ahead and

What the megabluck? Kami-sami went to all the trouble of crafting these identities for us and you keep calling someone 'def'? Wow, terrible, terrible, terrible, an absolute sin. You should be ashamed for your totally hypocritical behavior. Rant off!

(See? When faced with inanity, it's easy to get irritated )

No hard feelings, but when you go after me for crap reasons, I'll double it and give it back to you.

No attitude for the other people here though, the rest of you, you're all good in my books. I like you, always have, always will