Yakuza Family - Day 2

[MetroiD]

No, mainly just you, you megablock.

Seriously; is that the best you're capable of...

What the megabluck

, Norio?

You've definitely lost it, and now it's clear for everyone to see that's the case. Even if you're the Towniest of Townies, you've played extremely lousy so far - and that's something you should admit instead of insulting this old weak man.

If I were a bit younger, I'd be challenging you to a fight to the death right now, you insolent no-good spy-wanna-be.

[iamded]

I have this feeling that grandfather Ichirou-sama is a loyal Yakuza, so I won't be placing a vote against him. He did confuse me by claiming to be entirely paranoid, yet contradicting this because he's 'a sucker for role-claims'. Role-claims are what one should be most suspicious of. At the end of the day, if he comes out as green goop then I will have to seriously rethink my alliances in this. If he comes out as orange goop, then we shall all have to heed his final words.

If I may speak directly, Ichirou-sama, I advise you to speak your piece now, get anything you want out there, out there. Make sure anything you know that can help the Yakuza is passed on to the ones you trust most. It seems your fate is pretty much sealed this day. Find peace in the embrace of an honourable death, and if you are a loyal Yakuza then you can still succeed in spirit with the rest of us.

[MetroiD]

Just for the record, Norio - you haven't actually gone after me or given me anything back. You haven't even bothered to respond to any of my accusations, blinded by that sheer outburst of fury. Not yesterday, and most certainly not today. You haven't done anything good for the loyal Yakuza family members so far either, yet you feel compelled to keep on judging and lecturing everyone. Speaking of which, you've certainly graced others alongside myself with your bright and sunny

(that calm you down? I sure hope so...).

And by the way, it is definitely not just me who's fed up with you, your high horse and your total lack of useful contribution. It seems that fighting is what you think you're very good at, but I double dare you to actually fight back this time with something concrete - even if it is mixed up with all the profanities you can think of - and prove to me and the 29 of us still here that there was at least _one_ way in which you were useful to this Family.

[CMP]

And by the way, it is definitely not just me who's fed up with you, your high horse and your total lack of useful contribution. It seems that fighting is what you think you're very good at, but I double dare you to actually fight back this time with something concrete - even if it is mixed up with all the profanities you can think of - and prove to me and the 29 of us still here that there was at least _one_ way in which you were useful to this Family.

This is possibly the dumbest thing I've heard in several plays. He just said he believes you're townie.

[MetroiD]

This is possibly the dumbest thing I've heard in several plays. He just said he believes you're townie.

And precisely how does that make him a "Townie"? Or what, am I supposed to stop being suspicious of him and his ridiculous contribution so far just because he understands it's not quite a good idea to jump against me in response and accuse me... because there'd obviously be very little to base that on?

Oh and thanks, this is the second time I've been called dumb in a day. Sepukku time for me, perhaps? Or perhaps it's just time you people started minding your own derailed little trains of thought and stopped qualifying other people's decisions?

[swils]

Oh my.. After seeing my name on Norio's list, I had wondered why he had stopped answering me. So I went back through the day to make absolutely sure I hadn't missed a reply from him, and I hadn't! It seems I got lost in my own head and never actually replied to him! Apparently, I left that open in a separate tabmerely daydreamed that I had said something. Oh, I feel such the fool right now.

Well, ultimately, I meant to thank you, Norio, for not making any accusations based on theatrics, regardless of the two of us not seeing eye to eye on their value. And I'd be more than willing to discuss that further with you if you want, but I'll keep that from here for now, as I believe that conversation's time in the public eye has passed.

Now, more important things at hand. I came into the day suspicious of Lizzy for jumping around a bit erratically. Throughout the day, she seemed to echo her mother's opinions frequently, going so far as to jump -off- the bandwagon, long after Yasu's fate was quite firmly decided. And what reasoning did she give? Well, none of her own, actually, just Emi's thoughts, slightly reworded. Now, you could take this as a "They voted for you, so now you're turning on them" situation, but I would urge you to look to today's events, first. When Emi's suspicions turned to Lizzy, Lizzy in turn lost all composure! No one to shadow meant she was on her own, and she did not seem to handle it well. Poor little Gahzeeya .

About Ichirou, well, what hasn't been said yet? Seems we'll soon be finding out the truth, so I'll let that one run its course.

I really doubt Tamiko is the so-called 'jester'. We have seen some foolish moves these last two days, but this one really takes the cake. I can see no benefit to making that claim. One would be better off defending the day's obvious lynchee (sp?) to their death, and bringing themselves into the spotlight that way. This could be a cover-up for a scum, but why make the claim now, when it is so early and there was so little attention on her, anyway? I'd guess that she's a mutineer, planning to be busy tonight, and wants to make sure she lives to carry out her malicious deeds. And if that is the case, her plan has worked: no one wants to bother with her right now. But she would have been just as well off keeping her "role" to herself, as Ichirou was keeping everyone busy anyway, and she was unlikely to get lynched as it was.

It has been mentioned that Lizzy may just be young and inexperienced, and while I maintain my suspicions, I'm not going to vote for Lizzy just yet. I am far more interested in Tamiko's role claim, and would like to see it in the forefront of discussion both tonight, and tomorrow. My vote might not carry much weight against those stacked on Ichirou, but I'll put it out there anyway.

Vote: Tamiko (Zakura)

[Tamamono]

If I may speak directly, Ichirou-sama, I advise you to speak your piece now, get anything you want out there, out there. Make sure anything you know that can help the Yakuza is passed on to the ones you trust most. It seems your fate is pretty much sealed this day. Find peace in the embrace of an honourable death, and if you are a loyal Yakuza then you can still succeed in spirit with the rest of us.

That's exactly what I've been doing behind the scenes. I've been trying to get things straightened out, and I think I've found someone safe to give my information to.

I am accepting my fate, and I plan to die with grace and dignity. No more capitals and 'unvote me!'. I hope what I've done so far can help the town.

As for information I want to get out there, I'm still on the fence about one thing, but rest assured I'll bring it out in public if I feel that it is the right thing to do.

[Brickdoctor]

And precisely how does that make him a "Townie"? Or what, am I supposed to stop being suspicious of him and his ridiculous contribution so far just because he understands it's not quite a good idea to jump against me in response and accuse me... because there'd obviously be very little to base that on?

I think what Shizuko is trying to say is that Norio isn't fighting you because he believes you to be a Townie. I'm not sure how much sense that makes, since you're accusing Norio of being Scum right now, but I think that's what Shizuko is saying.

I really doubt Tamiko is the so-called 'jester'. We have seen some foolish moves these last two days, but this one really takes the cake. I can see no benefit to making that claim. One would be better off defending the day's obvious lynchee (sp?) to their death, and bringing themselves into the spotlight that way. This could be a cover-up for a scum, but why make the claim now, when it is so early and there was so little attention on her, anyway? I'd guess that she's a mutineer, planning to be busy tonight, and wants to make sure she lives to carry out her malicious deeds. And if that is the case, her plan has worked: no one wants to bother with her right now. But she would have been just as well off keeping her "role" to herself, as Ichirou was keeping everyone busy anyway, and she was unlikely to get lynched as it was.

I think I agree with you. I don't see why Tamiko would claim Jester. There's no sense in it. It's nothing new to act that way as Scum. I don't want to risk wasting a Day's lynch, but if we're probably going to end up lynching either an Independent or a Scum, it's not a bad move, and it's not as if we don't risk more when we lynch someone such as Ichirou who could actually be a helpful Townie.

Unless, of course, Tamiko is Town, and she's being really, really unhelpful and selfish. Scum, vigilante, and SK (if there is one), if you're out there listening to me (and I know you are), could you please night kill Tamiko for us? Please and thank you.

[CMP]

I think what Shizuko is trying to say is that Norio isn't fighting you because he believes you to be a Townie. I'm not sure how much sense that makes, since you're accusing Norio of being Scum right now, but I think that's what Shizuko is saying.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm asking how the hell Norio is supposed to accuse somebody he believes is town. Nobuo is just using weird logic.

[Brickdoctor]

That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm asking how the hell Norio is supposed to accuse somebody he believes is town. Nobuo is just using weird logic.

I think what Nobuo was saying is that Norio should defend himself against the accusations, not fight accusations with accusations. (which I think some of us would regard as something of a Scum Tell) Not sure if I can agree with either one, since the whole thing (or at least a good part of it) seems to be based on attitude, which I personally think in this case isn't that unusual (or maybe a couple books I've read called Gotham City Mafia and The Curse of IMHOTEP Mafia have caused me to become accustomed to the attitude of characters such as Norio), but I think that's what Nobuo is trying to say.

[CMP]

I think what Nobuo was saying is that Norio should defend himself against the accusations, not fight accusations with accusations. (which I think some of us would regard as something of a Scum Tell) Not sure if I can agree with either one, since the whole thing (or at least a good part of it) seems to be based on attitude, which I personally think in this case isn't that unusual (or maybe a couple books I've read called Gotham City Mafia and The Curse of IMHOTEP Mafia have caused me to become accustomed to the attitude of characters such as Norio), but I think that's what Nobuo is trying to say.

Oh. Well, he said to 'fight back with something concrete'. It sounded more to me like he wanted to be accused rather than wanting Norio to actually defend himself. Guess it was just me. I'm also picking through what he says about Norio's 'suspicious behavior' - little of it has any weight to me, as you've just said, it's not much different than usual.

Again, Nobuo, most of your points are valid, but I believe splitting the votes when a large majority of us already have isn't a good idea. It isn't to say he's not a good suspect, I just find Ichirou is, more so.

[MetroiD]

I'm asking how the hell Norio is supposed to accuse somebody he believes is town. Nobuo is just using weird logic.

At what megablocking point precisely did I ask anyone to try and accuse me? Norio did that, remember? I was merely responding to this:

No hard feelings, but when you go after me for crap reasons, I'll double it and give it back to you.

Because, with that entire post speech, he gave me - and all of us in this Family, for that matter - a steaming pile of nothing. Once a-freaking-gain.

Also, no, I've said it once and I can't stress that enough, it's time you learned to distinguish between role-playing small talk and analysis-based real accusations. Now I know why some of you seem to hate roleplaying so much - it apparently makes up for a little too heavy a load for their thought-trains to haul around. There, I'm now talking down to you all like Norio, does that make me sound more convincing? I've just wasted an entire paragraph saying nothing and arguing over something that's pointless to begin with. What did we learn from this then?...

I'm not up against Norio because he called me a megablock and behaved aggressively. I believe him to be a Mutineer, because other than attitude, he hasn't really brought out anything in his defence! Is it really so hard for all of you to see? I'm not expecting him to try and lynch me, I'm not expecting him to tell me about everyone he's been in contact with. I'm expecting him to say that he jumped on the Ichirou bandwagon and edited his post opinion in order to particularly make sure of doing that for some reason other than "well I'm not sure, but yeah this probably is a good choice". Because come on, does that sound convincing? To any one of you? Seriously, are you that much in love with Norio?

Also, on to the "cooperating" part - here's our last exchange to convince you all that I did try to work with him, only to get more of the same:

Good job pushing on the character feud in the Day thread! Acting as though Town is separated sounds like a good idea for the time being, and it could prove quite useful later on. Main point is, I don't think we should "make peace" at any point in time, even after one of us potentially perishes. That way it'll be much easier to use reactions to root out the Scum.

If you're still up for joint work, I've got a pretty good idea where we could use this whole good cop bad cop thing you had going on yesterday

No time to deal with you, sorry. I'm not spending another 20 minutes to explain things to you that never get through the brick wall you've put up. I'll open your PMs since I need to in order to send them to all the many others I've been cooperating with, but don't be surprised not to get another reply.

Just a way for me to not get too irritated during the game

Wow, you've seriously got a hard time differentiating between in-character and not, mate...

Oh well. Your loss. Have fun ;)

So, he didn't want to work with someone he considers a Townie, according to his own admissions, because that would get him too irritated during the game. But he still needs to send my PMs to other people he's been "working with", even though he's not suspecting me and we've generally not discussed anything of relevance. Way to go working for the greater good of the family, Norio.

Hopefully, you won't have to decipher what I'm trying to say once again. If that's the case - I urge you to please check the records before speaking out.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Besides, if Ichirou turns out scum, we can automatically assume Def is too, whereas if its the other way around then we cant assume Ichirou is scum.

I don't see how Ichirou being scum makes Norio the same. Neither has denied that that they have spoken to the other. I would think if Norio really is scum and Ichirou is as well that Norio would have been much more accusatory in tone with his vote to really distance himself from Ichirou. I would expect Norio to take more credit for sending Ichirou up the river and poke fun at Ichirou's "let me live" pleas. I could be reading him wrong but I don't see where this conspiracy between the two of them is.

As for his response to Nobuo, I don't see Norio's refusal to deal with him as scummy either. Norio will be Norio.

[def]

So, he didn't want to work with someone he considers a Townie, according to his own admissions, because that would get him too irritated during the game. But he still needs to send my PMs to other people he's been "working with", even though he's not suspecting me and we've generally not discussed anything of relevance. Way to go working for the greater good of the family, Norio.

Hopefully, you won't have to decipher what I'm trying to say once again. If that's the case - I urge you to please check the records before speaking out.

Hmm. This is a game, right? And we're here to have fun, right? So, even if you're a townie, maybe it's possible that you just were so irritating, that I don't want to put up with it? Let me summarize again

1. Yasu contacts me

2. Yasu messes up her contact, so I switch my opinion on her, but, stay friendly and hope to use that slim chance that she might give me info in order to 'keep' me on her side.

3. Nobuo wants that info in public!

4. I say I'll give it later

5. Not good enough for Nobuo! He needs it then!

6. Polite private explanation to Nobuo explaining why I don't want to say in thread.

7. Not good enough for Nobuo! He doubles up his accusations.

8. 24 hours later, I share the info, since I had given up on Yasu.

9. Not good enough for Nobuo! The plan was never going to work! Norio's explanation was poor! Norio wasn't cooperating! (but Kin's explanation of the same thing was entirely plausible. )

10. Norio says, "megabluck this guy, I don't have the time to put up with shit like this over a game."

Since I'm 100% pure townie, well, Nobuo is the one who will look like a fool after it's all done. He can't fathom that another townie doesn't want to work with someone who acts like a dick, then gets high and mighty about it after. No time for it, be it physical time, or just the emotional time of dealing with someone so gung ho that they're right when I know for a fact that they're wrong. That's it.

Bookmark this Nobuo, consider it deeply when this is all done.

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About Ichiro, I have a lot of concern with him at this point. I think he's trying to jump onto Nobuo's train, since Nobuo is the most vocal person here (and is he ever )

Let's share the facts I feel comfortable sharing based on our shared private contact:

-I am talking to the likely town-blocker (assumed for reasons that would be anti-town for anyone to demand from me)

-So, Ichiro is quite possibly talking to the scum blocker. Ichiro has stated as such to me:

my blocker is incredibly suspicious. I'm not telling you who he is, just in case, but he's definitely suspicious.

-It's likely both are blockers, and neither are a jailkeepers, since that is what they claim, but also because having identical methods is fair in that it doesn't give away their allegiance.

So, my advice to Ichiro was to turn out that blocker, since they are likely scum. Ichiro can't do this. I said that he could tell me who it was, to make sure it wasn't the same as mine, but it really wasn't necessary, since his blocker admitted to blocking me, and my blocker admitted to blocking Nobuo. Anyway, despite repeatedly (two or three times) saying his blocker was suspicious, Ichiro won't turn them out.

Ichiro wants my help.

Def, you have to help me. I tried to take a town leadership position, and I bit off more than I could chew. Rick and Rufus shoved me around in-thread, and I was already flustered because of some night results, so I cracked. People think that's scummy? No, being aloof is scummy. Being clumsy is town. Stupid town, but town.

I have no idea what these people want from me. I don't know how to sincerely defend myself - as I've only been lynched as scum.

But he won't help himself.

Since I can't help him, for the reasons I gave when I voted (some things have rubbed me the wrong way, the people I trust are suspicious of him and I'm not a leader, but part of a team). So, he turns it to be that maybe Nobuo was right! I am scum! Logically, since I wanted that all too crucial identity of town blocker!

Let's follow this logic.

Ichiro claims to know the town watcher, tracker, and blocker. The first two are very dangerous to scum, since they help verify roles, both for scum and town. They pretty much always are responsible for one conviction in a game. Blocker ends up blocking town more often than not, making it not a great town role, but often a detrimental one. So, if I were scum, Ichiro thinks I would worm my way up to him in order to get that blocker name before he gets convicted And that's what I would do as scum, risk myself in order to take out that town blocker.

So, he's calling me scum, and probably egging Nobuo on, which can only result in more bon mots from our resident elocutionist, which I trust you're all looking forward to, I know I am

For this whole clusterfuck of activity, I've come to greatly suspect Ichiro. He's inconsistent, and thinks it's better for him, a proclaimed true townie, to be lynched than a blocker he thinks is scummy. He can't make that risk! At the same time, he was happy to vote for Chieko (Scuba) for being suspicious, so he's not that conservative about nominating people.

And giving some thoughts to the events of day one, it seems clear that Yasu was coached to play on what would be considered some predictability on my style. So, Yasu "metagamed" her roleclaim to me as a defense, well aware that I have rigorously defended and saved a few people who did the same thing in the last two lives we had. Of all the people here who are likely to play like that, to have coached that, Ichiro is near the top of the list. That that is why Yasu chose me is clear, and there was no real reason for Yasu to choose Ichiro, since Ichiro had no history like that.

My vote stands

[def]

I realize that there seems to be a certain frustration and tension among members of the family today. I, Norio, specialize in sensitivity, if you haven't picked up on that up by now (possibly because you aren't sensitive enough). So, in order to help us weather the storm as we drive these bastard-like mutineers from our temple, I offer you this to keep the flame of hope alive, to recall why it is we are all working together.

Enjoy

If that doesn't lighten your mood, I suggest some shiatsu, followed by some umeboshi.

[badboytje88]

Votes so far:

Ichirou (Tamamono): 21 Votes

Eskallon, Rumble Strike, Zakura, Scubacarrot, Etzel, Def, Bob, CorneliusMurdock, Peanuts, Rick, Rufus, Alopex, Cecilie, Brickdoctor, Whitefang, Professor Flitwick, JimButcher, CallMePieOrDie, Masked Builder, Nightshroud99, Capt. Redblade,

Lizzy (Capt. Redblade): 1 Vote

Volcanicpanik,

Momoe (Rufus): 1 Vote

Tamamono,

Norio (Def): 1 Vote

MetroiD

Tamiko (Zakura): 1 Vote

Swils

[fhomess]

Vote: Ichirou (Tamamono)

Perhaps I misread earlier, but why, Ichirou, if you have found the scum blocker, have you not accused this person publicly? Or was that merely because you heard from Norio that the town blocker told him he blocked him. That also seems strange, as why would the town blocker trust Norio enough to tell him he had done the blocking. If I were the town blocker, I'd be more inclined to tell Norio who I was if I hadn't blocked him, as the other blocker is most likely scum and not likely to block a teammate. Under your scenario, the scum blocker blocked Nobuo and the town blocker blocked Norio, but the town blocker trusted Norio enough to claim to him. That seems very odd.

For these reasons, you earn my vote.

I'd like to pursue some thinking along the lines of these blocks a little further, though. This family feud began with 32 of us, yet there was only one person killed last night. I was expecting at least two. There are a few possible people who would be likely able to kill someone:

1. The scum killer

2. A vigilante

3. A serial killer

While I wouldn't expect the vigilante necessarily to act on night one, I highly suspect that we have a SK among us given how many of us there are. Given that we have two people who were blocked last night, I would think that tonight's actions ought to focus on those two people. While a SK isn't guaranteed, I still think it's likely. No one, including myself, thought earlier in the day that perhaps the night kill was an SK rather than a scum killer. What if the SK took out Lloyd Jr, (or even a reckless vigilante), and the scum killer was blocked? Even if the scum killer took out Lloyd Jr, the SK would have targetted someone if there is one among us. That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if one of Norio or Nobuo was an SK or the scum killer himself. At the least, these two seem like dangerous candidates to leave uninvestigated.

[def]

While I wouldn't expect the vigilante necessarily to act on night one, I highly suspect that we have a SK among us given how many of us there are. Given that we have two people who were blocked last night, I would think that tonight's actions ought to focus on those two people. While a SK isn't guaranteed, I still think it's likely. No one, including myself, thought earlier in the day that perhaps the night kill was an SK rather than a scum killer. What if the SK took out Lloyd Jr, (or even a reckless vigilante), and the scum killer was blocked? Even if the scum killer took out Lloyd Jr, the SK would have targetted someone if there is one among us. That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if one of Norio or Nobuo was an SK or the scum killer himself. At the least, these two seem like dangerous candidates to leave uninvestigated.

I will let you know that I have good reason to think that Lloyd was killed by the scum. I have reason to believe the vig will kill with katanas, much like Nobuo and I were both knocked out by katanas. I think this is the work of the gods above to make things more equal to all sides and not assign guilt based on the method.

It's possible that the SK too will operate the same way, but I'm inclined to think that the SK will be delineated differently if they exist. I know that this is a complicated situation, much like a mission I once had in Egypt was, quite possibly too complicated for there to be a crazy third party. I'm not promising that though.

All the same, I would love the watcher to watch me tonight. I'd like some insurance to get me to day three

[MetroiD]

For once, you've actually taken the time to analyze things, Norio, so I'm happy to see that you're at least trying this time. That does, however, not change your erratic history so far. As you no doubt are aware, if my first-born is lynched tonight and presents us all with some orange dragon snot, then that would only mean that all these people who seem to have so much faith in you and are willing to dismiss your futility based on metagaming will suddenly turn against you. You have done little to calm my fears - and please drop the Yasu story towards the end of Day 1 already, that was just me working extra hard to irritate you and see what you'd have to stop me from pushing it further. Apparently, nothing (humming along to the tune already ). And now you seem to be pointing in other directions - which however I must admit I am more than willing to look into, least of all because I have on a number of occasions considered your involvement in those. Just one thing before that - so you're actually confirming that I read Town to you, but you can't be bothered to work with me. I'm outspoken, yet useless. Hmmm, I don't know why, but that just reminds me so much of a mantra I've heard so often... Scum-or-Hum, Scum-or-Trump, how exactly did that go again!?

Since we're openly sharing our findings with regards to last night, here's what I have to present to the attention of fellow Family members. Don't forget, these are all claims but they might help piece together the story that went behind the scenes last night:

* We have a Town Watcher. His name is Speed Racer. Speed Racer watched Sir Honkey Tonk on Night 1, however Sir Honkey Tonk was not targeted by anyone.

* We also have a Blocker, who might be Town or Scum. His name is Roadrunner. By his own admission, Roadrunner did not target me last night. Which doesn't really help us a lot unless we manage to find out Roadrunner's allegiance.

* We have yet another Blocker who has in turn come after me. Norio claims that he was talking to him and that that was the Town blocker, and I'd be happy to believe him, but there's really nothing to base all these assumptions on either way. With me apparently not reading Scum, as many people have stated today, I could have been targeted by both the Scum and some misguided Town blocker - please bear that in mind for future developments.

* Last but not least, we also have a Town Tracker. His name is Pink Panther. The Panther tracked Wile E. Coyote last night, who in turn had targeted Pink Panther for his night action. The result of all this? The Panther and the Coyote seem to have had unconsenting coital interaction. I know, even more twisted than Norio's logical process, right?

Apparently, the Blockers are pretty much our only lead today in terms of night actions. Let's say that neither blocker lied with regards to who blocked whom. That means that I could have been targeted by either a Scum or Town blocker; as is the case with Norio - but Ichirou is already growing more and more suspicious of Norio with each passing second. So, instead of giving him information on the Blocker he's in contact with, he keeps it to himself. Why? Because if Norio is indeed Scum, then that means that he could only have been targeted by the Town Blocker, whom Ichirou claims to be in contact with. In turn, I must then have been targeted by the Scum Blocker, whom Norio claims to be in contact with but believes to be a Town Blocker. Conveniently enough, Norio would like to know the identities of both blockers, but is actually already talking to one and trusting him. I wonder why that could be the case...

[Cecilie]

I've been clumsy, not suspicious. Being a clumsy scum is a noob mistake, and I'm fairly experienced. I'm trying to take a helpful position in the town, and I'm having trouble with it. What will it take to get you to believe that - it's the truth, damn it!

You can't decide to take a leader role for town, you earn it through your actions, making people trust you, and choose to come to you with information. I haven't seen you do that.

While I wouldn't expect the vigilante necessarily to act on night one, I highly suspect that we have a SK among us given how many of us there are. Given that we have two people who were blocked last night, I would think that tonight's actions ought to focus on those two people. While a SK isn't guaranteed, I still think it's likely. No one, including myself, thought earlier in the day that perhaps the night kill was an SK rather than a scum killer. What if the SK took out Lloyd Jr, (or even a reckless vigilante), and the scum killer was blocked? Even if the scum killer took out Lloyd Jr, the SK would have targetted someone if there is one among us. That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if one of Norio or Nobuo was an SK or the scum killer himself. At the least, these two seem like dangerous candidates to leave uninvestigated.

You're forgetting that there could be a protector among us who might have been lucky tonight. And we don't even know if there is a serial killer. That isn't to say those two shouldn't be checked out somehow.

Apparently, the Blockers are pretty much our only lead today in terms of night actions. Let's say that neither blocker lied with regards to who blocked whom. That means that I could have been targeted by either a Scum or Town blocker; as is the case with Norio - but Ichirou is already growing more and more suspicious of Norio with each passing second. So, instead of giving him information on the Blocker he's in contact with, he keeps it to himself. Why? Because if Norio is indeed Scum, then that means that he could only have been targeted by the Town Blocker, whom Ichirou claims to be in contact with. In turn, I must then have been targeted by the Scum Blocker, whom Norio claims to be in contact with but believes to be a Town Blocker. Conveniently enough, Norio would like to know the identities of both blockers, but is actually already talking to one and trusting him. I wonder why that could be the case...

First of all, Ichirou is on the chopping block today, so I don't think we should put too much behind his suspicions at this point. Second, maybe Norio wants to know who the other blocker is, because if Norio is town, then he wants to figure out which blocker is the lying mutineer? Don't we all? And if Ichirou is really town, I hope he tells the name of that blocker to someone he trusts, so we can figure out who is lying and lynch the right blocker! And also, as Norio has already pointed out himself, don't you think he would be more interested in trying to get the name of the tracker and watcher, since Ichirou claims to know those as well?

[Tachyon]

Norio isn't maf or I would be dead......................

[Bob]

Norio isn't maf or I would be dead......................

What? Everything you say doesn't make a lick of sense. I'm not sure where you're coming from with a statement like this either.

By the way, my vote still stands.

[Peanuts]

Actually, when piles of inanity land at your feet, sometimes irritation is a natural human reaction.

Not at all. I think everyone of us should try to keep calm even in the face of death. Panicing and insulting won't get us anywhere. And while I might under stand it if the accusation was nothing but trash, you seem to agree our suspicions of Ichirou aren't "piles in inanity". And if reasonable accusations are thrown at someone, they certainly shouldn't react like that if you are Yakuza.

Unless, of course, Tamiko is Town, and she's being really, really unhelpful and selfish. Scum, vigilante, and SK (if there is one), if you're out there listening to me (and I know you are), could you please night kill Tamiko for us? Please and thank you.

If Tamiko is town, this was the worst town performance I've ever seen and I doubt I'll ever seen worse.

I am accepting my fate, and I plan to die with grace and dignity. No more capitals and 'unvote me!'. I hope what I've done so far can help the town.

Thank you very much. I'm afraid, at this point there is nothing that might save you. Even if I'd suddenly get second thoughts about you, which I doubt, the only way to make sure you're being true at this point is lynching you, Kawagashira.

Let's share the facts I feel comfortable sharing based on our shared private contact:

-I am talking to the likely town-blocker (assumed for reasons that would be anti-town for anyone to demand from me)

-So, Ichiro is quite possibly talking to the scum blocker. Ichiro has stated as such to me:

-It's likely both are blockers, and neither are a jailkeepers, since that is what they claim, but also because having identical methods is fair in that it doesn't give away their allegiance.

That's interesting. So this person who's claimed role blocker to you, have they claimingly blocked Nobuo or you tonight? Right now it sounds to me like we got two potential blockers and two claimed targets, with each blocker having claimed another target. Interesting situation. Okay, I've got an idea, which could be hazardous, and some of you might dispute against it:

The town blocker is not too useful for us, as most of the action roles are Yakuza. On the other side, the scum blocker is rather useful, once they have figured out who's having important roles. So why don't Ichirou and Norio both come forward with their blockers, and we lynch/vig kill them both tomorrow/on night three?

Of course, this only works if both Ichirou and Norio are town (which is highly unlikely. Even if one of them is Yakuza, the other should be a Mutineer given the validity of both their accusations). If one of them is not Yakuza, of course, we still have got ourselves a Mutineer.

My suggested course of action? We continue lynching Ichirou. But before he dies, he reveals the name of his blocker.

I)If Ichirou was scum, the scum won't gain anything from that. But he propably won't even play along if he is.

II)If he is town, the plan goes on:

Tonight our investigator will investigate Norio (a plan that I highly recommend regardless of anything else anyway). Tomorrow we'll know which side he was on.

IIa)Norio was scum. Yay, we've got another Mutineer. We can lynch him and thereby get rid of an important scum member.

IIb)Norio was Yakuza. Yay, we've confirmed a useful member of the Yakuza. And he can name his blocker, so we can lynch the more suspicous blocker and kill the other one. We've lost a rather useless role in order to take down a rather useful scum role.

What do you think?

Norio isn't maf or I would be dead......................

I really hope the vig goes after you so I won't have to hear this nonsence anymore.

[def]

Not at all. I think everyone of us should try to keep calm even in the face of death. Panicing and insulting won't get us anywhere. And while I might under stand it if the accusation was nothing but trash, you seem to agree our suspicions of Ichirou aren't "piles in inanity". And if reasonable accusations are thrown at someone, they certainly shouldn't react like that if you are Yakuza.

I don't think you followed the full train of thought of that post.

That's interesting. So this person who's claimed role blocker to you, have they claimingly blocked Nobuo or you tonight?

Huh? My blocker claimed Nobuo night one, and Ichiro's claimed me.

Right now it sounds to me like we got two potential blockers and two claimed targets, with each blocker having claimed another target. Interesting situation. Okay, I've got an idea, which could be hazardous, and some of you might dispute against it:

The town blocker is not too useful for us, as most of the action roles are Yakuza. On the other side, the scum blocker is rather useful, once they have figured out who's having important roles. So why don't Ichirou and Norio both come forward with their blockers, and we lynch/vig kill them both tomorrow/on night three?

Well, I would say so, but I have a strong feeling mine is on the up and up. Ichiro is going to claim the same thing, obviously, but we won't know until tomorrow. I find it strange that he found them suspicious but won't reveal, while I have little to no suspicion at all of mine, which is a good reason not to share.

If Ichiro was to reveal his blocker, I could definitely see that they get vig killed tonight, and if that person turned up town, I would have to reveal my source, I guess I'm not the vig, and the scum don't know who the vig is, so they couldn't block them.

Of course, this only works if both Ichirou and Norio are town (which is highly unlikely. Even if one of them is Yakuza, the other should be a Mutineer given the validity of both their accusations). If one of them is not Yakuza, of course, we still have got ourselves a Mutineer.

I really don't understand this logic. I'm hoping Ichiro is scum, and I won't have to explain why this is a logical fallacy tomorrow. All it proves is that we're both talking to someone claiming blocker.

My suggested course of action? We continue lynching Ichirou. But before he dies, he reveals the name of his blocker.

I)If Ichirou was scum, the scum won't gain anything from that. But he propably won't even play along if he is.

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

II)If he is town, the plan goes on:

Tonight our investigator will investigate Norio (a plan that I highly recommend regardless of anything else anyway). Tomorrow we'll know which side he was on.

Too late, I've been investigated, and found safe. I will say that at this point I've learned that there are at least three methods that town can investigate, and I've been cleared by one. Obviously, I can't reveal any more than that Anyway, those people all will not be investigating me a second time. It's time to move on to bigger fish.

IIa)Norio was scum. Yay, we've got another Mutineer. We can lynch him and thereby get rid of an important scum member.

IIb)Norio was Yakuza. Yay, we've confirmed a useful member of the Yakuza. And he can name his blocker, so we can lynch the more suspicous blocker and kill the other one. We've lost a rather useless role in order to take down a rather useful scum role.

If you want to bet money on it, bet on B

What do you think?

Some of what you wrote is quite sensible, but the part about Ichiro and I being either/or is missing something

I really hope the vig goes after you so I won't have to hear this nonsence anymore.

The vig has priorities. They make their own decisions, but, personally, I think we shouldn't take people out for being irritating. We did have a laugh about the options we have for annoying members of the family though

I will reiterate to the watcher though, that you should to watch me tonight. The scum will want to either block or kill me. I think I have protection, but the scum may think it's a double-bluff or something and venture to try to kill me anyway. It's in town's best interests

[MetroiD]

If Ichiro was to reveal his blocker, I could definitely see that they get vig killed tonight, and if that person turned up town, I would have to reveal my source, I guess I'm not the vig, and the scum don't know who the vig is, so they couldn't block them.

Sounds plausible to me.

As does your whole analysis, quite frankly, since you've finally chosen to share something in public. See, it doesn't hurt that much, now does it? And you haven't had to spill it all out either. Just about enough to get us thinking, which is what I wanted all along.

To be honest, I'm very tempted to unvote you right now - and I probably would, had it not been for your erratic behaviour when "guiding" the Family on who to lynch over these last two days. If you know as much as you claim you do, and are indeed loyal, I'm even more worried that you've played a very lousy game so far.