def Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 To be honest, I'm very tempted to unvote you right now - and I probably would, had it not been for your erratic behaviour when "guiding" the Family on who to lynch over these last two days. If you know as much as you claim you do, and are indeed loyal, I'm even more worried that you've played a very lousy game so far. How can I "guide" the family on who to lynch when I have no suspects I know some people are safe, and everyone else is in a grey zone. I'm not going to be a lynch leader when I don't have strong suspicions on who is scum I lack your confidence, to say the least.
Peanuts Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I don't think you followed the full train of thought of that post. Huh? Train of thought? All I was saying is that a Yakuza who get's voted out shouldn't shout or insult, especially not if the accusation is valid. Huh? My blocker claimed Nobuo night one, and Ichiro's claimed me. Thanks, that's what I wanted clarified. Too late, I've been investigated, and found safe. I will say that at this point I've learned that there are at least three methods that town can investigate, and I've been cleared by one. Obviously, I can't reveal any more than that Anyway, those people all will not be investigating me a second time. It's time to move on to bigger fish. Interesting. I'm curious, but I can understand why you wouldn't reveal more, if you are Yakuza. Though I'd say that at least one of this investigation methods should be unreliable, judging by my experience of these situations. Of course, I'd prefer to get this investigation result verified by another source before I'm going to believe it, if you don't mind. I'm still suspicious of you, mainly because of the points our Kumicho made, and I guess you'll understand why I can't believe you that in good faith. If you want to bet money on it, bet on B I'm not much of a betting person. In fact, most of us got rich because of other people betting. Some of what you wrote is quite sensible, but the part about Ichiro and I being either/or is missing something Not sure what you mean, but I never said you couldn't be both scum. Actually, that's what I believe most. The vig has priorities. They make their own decisions, but, personally, I think we shouldn't take people out for being irritating. We did have a laugh about the options we have for annoying members of the family though Not for being irritating, but for a roleclaim that reeks of scummyness. Couple that with the fact she hasn't done anything to be useful, and according to her own claim (which I don't believe) she's neither town nor got a useful role, we get a perfect vigilante target. If her behavior was one thing not, it was the one of a true Yakuza.
def Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Huh? Train of thought? All I was saying is that a Yakuza who get's voted out shouldn't shout or insult, especially not if the accusation is valid. My train of thought. Not yours. I expect you to understand your own Anyway... Interesting. I'm curious, but I can understand why you wouldn't reveal more, if you are Yakuza. Though I'd say that at least one of this investigation methods should be unreliable, judging by my experience of these situations. Of course, I'd prefer to get this investigation result verified by another source before I'm going to believe it, if you don't mind. I'm still suspicious of you, mainly because of the points our Kumicho made, and I guess you'll understand why I can't believe you that in good faith. I don't expect you to take my word for it, but I highly doubt there will be counter claims, since those people would likely be lying scumbags For the time being, it's better to give me the benefit of the doubt, since I'm not spinning elaborate theories on possible scum identities that I have no certainty in, which, while a townie technique, it's also a scum technique to throw people off in the wrong direction. Rather, I'm telling you information about what I know, which makes me susceptible to counter-claim verification. And don't worry about the "safeness" of these investigators. We're already working around the danger of insane readings
MetroiD Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I know some people are safe Frankly, that's much more than the rest of us have to work with, so I don't see why you couldn't use it to our common advantage. Earlier, that is. In any case, my incessant pushing seems to have finally yielded some results. And I thank you for that. It remains to be seen whether those are not a bunch of lies though.
def Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Frankly, that's much more than the rest of us have to work with, so I don't see why you couldn't use it to our common advantage. Earlier, that is. In any case, my incessant pushing seems to have finally yielded some results. And I thank you for that. It remains to be seen whether those are not a bunch of lies though. No, your incessant pushing put everything way back, because it was goddamned annoying The reason I could work with people is because lots of them saw that I was worth working with, and I was cooperating with them, despite your perception of the matter. Really. Why don't you know that much already? Because you've been playing this totally wrong. So lay off the lectures, will you? You seem to be seeing the light, it's just a few more steps and you might get there. You acting like an megablocks, now in it's 100th hour, has done jack for town. Seriously. If you were acting like a mature adult without an ego problem, I still would have been doing all I have for town, revealing it as I see prudent. But without a megablocking spotlight on me from you. Good job Sherlock I'm not at liberty to tell other people's secrets without long discussion. Your behavior simply locked you out of a lot of discussion though I was totally friendly with you to begin with, and you've caused hard working town trouble since you were pointing fingers at their ally, who is under scum scrutiny to begin with. Having a windbag townie pile up baseless accusations at their partner did them nothing. You've done nothing positive by your behaviour to me, and the sooner you grasp that, the sooner the true townies can focus on helping the family Got it? Think about it. Think about it a long time, and stop trying to claim some victory for being a pain in the megablocks. The main reason I think you're town is because I have a hard time believing any scum could be act as out of touch as you've been.
MetroiD Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Yep, that's actually a fair point - why do I keep arguing with you anyway when you're such a smug loyal and insecure friendly guy. I'm such a dolt I've done my talking and helped this Family on more than one occasion when I had to; with anything I could. Yes, on more than one occasion that has been my gut feeling. But I've been rather consecutive, unlike you and your egocentric rants. All you've done / said after actually voting against Ichirou today has really been pointless and led us nowhere, since at the end of the Day we're none the wiser. As it were, the Family is mostly just waiting to see what colour Ichirou taints the dragon's snot. For the record, I have not voted against him because jumping on the bandwagon would not exactly help the Family at this point - even if he is scum - and because I prefer to be one step ahead. But look back and you'll notice that the reasons for which you have voted were actually supplied by me in the first place and the doubts I openly voiced against Ichirou. Once again, you're utterly useless, regardless of the crap discussions you've been up to in private. We're yet to see where this whole "I trust them and they have so much faith in me cuz I'm simply fabulous" thing of yours leads us, but please don't claim contributions when you've had none and then have the audicity to call me out for having done "jack for town". Check your facts for once, and use your mantra to help you while doing so. How did it go anyway, Scum or numb? Scum or bread crumb!? Damn I'm old! My vote stands firmly where it is.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 So, my advice to Ichiro was to turn out that blocker, since they are likely scum. Ichiro can't do this. I said that he could tell me who it was, to make sure it wasn't the same as mine, but it really wasn't necessary, since his blocker admitted to blocking me, and my blocker admitted to blocking Nobuo. Anyway, despite repeatedly (two or three times) saying his blocker was suspicious, Ichiro won't turn them out. Ichiro wants my help. Yes, it's true that I do find my blocker slightly suspicious. I was in contact with him/her, and I said that I wanted to trust him/her, and he/she immediately claimed to me. His/her behavior is pretty suspicious, but I can't help but get a bit of a town vibe off of him. Plus, your attitude toward me was definitely not helping. The blocker's identity is, frankly, not mine to give, and I was still kind of on the fence about it. First you started acting like I was being a complete fool (who knows, maybe I am being one) and that I wasn't helping myself, and then, when I resisted that approach, you came back with 'Oh well, you're on your own! See you in 13 hours!'. Town or scum, this type of behavior isn't likely to win many favors, Norio. I know you automatically think that everyone who doesn't immediately cooperate with you is either scum or stupid, but this is a difficult decision. I think there was a fair chance that no matter who I said, you would have said "Yep, that's my guy! Bye, Ichiro!" and killed my blocker during the night. I could have said Great Grandfather Lloyd and he might have claimed it was his blocker. However, there was and still is the chance that Roadrunner has been yanking my chain, and it's entirely possible, seeing the way Yasu fooled me. I might still be willing to give up my blocker, as there are still a little under 24 hours left, and I can still do more to help the town before I die, but I'm going to need to seriously think about it. Let's follow this logic. Ichiro claims to know the town watcher, tracker, and blocker. The first two are very dangerous to scum, since they help verify roles, both for scum and town. They pretty much always are responsible for one conviction in a game. Blocker ends up blocking town more often than not, making it not a great town role, but often a detrimental one. So, if I were scum, Ichiro thinks I would worm my way up to him in order to get that blocker name before he gets convicted And that's what I would do as scum, risk myself in order to take out that town blocker. That is a good point. Town blocker isn't the most helpful role and it can be sacrificed a lot more easily than informative roles - especially if it can help verify people. I never actually looked at it from that perspective before, but I still think I'll withhold the name of my blocker. Things change, though, so I might give you his name a little bit later. For this whole clusterfuck of activity, I've come to greatly suspect Ichiro. He's inconsistent, and thinks it's better for him, a proclaimed true townie, to be lynched than a blocker he thinks is scummy. He can't make that risk! At the same time, he was happy to vote for Chieko (Scuba) for being suspicious, so he's not that conservative about nominating people. Just because I'm town doesn't mean I don't get a bit irritated and flustered when I see myself being voted for. I had just woken up and saw that there were ten votes against me, and that vote was out of panic. And giving some thoughts to the events of day one, it seems clear that Yasu was coached to play on what would be considered some predictability on my style. So, Yasu "metagamed" her roleclaim to me as a defense, well aware that I have rigorously defended and saved a few people who did the same thing in the last two lives we had. Of all the people here who are likely to play like that, to have coached that, Ichiro is near the top of the list. That that is why Yasu chose me is clear, and there was no real reason for Yasu to choose Ichiro, since Ichiro had no history like that. No, I went to Yasu asking her to defend herself in private and she claimed. Perhaps I misread earlier, but why, Ichirou, if you have found the scum blocker, have you not accused this person publicly? Or was that merely because you heard from Norio that the town blocker told him he blocked him. That also seems strange, as why would the town blocker trust Norio enough to tell him he had done the blocking. If I were the town blocker, I'd be more inclined to tell Norio who I was if I hadn't blocked him, as the other blocker is most likely scum and not likely to block a teammate. Under your scenario, the scum blocker blocked Nobuo and the town blocker blocked Norio, but the town blocker trusted Norio enough to claim to him. That seems very odd. Because I don't know if he's scum or not. I'm still thinking about it, and I'll make my final decision a little bit later. * We have a Town Watcher. His name is Speed Racer. Speed Racer watched Sir Honkey Tonk on Night 1, however Sir Honkey Tonk was not targeted by anyone. * We also have a Blocker, who might be Town or Scum. His name is Roadrunner. By his own admission, Roadrunner did not target me last night. Which doesn't really help us a lot unless we manage to find out Roadrunner's allegiance. * We have yet another Blocker who has in turn come after me. Norio claims that he was talking to him and that that was the Town blocker, and I'd be happy to believe him, but there's really nothing to base all these assumptions on either way. With me apparently not reading Scum, as many people have stated today, I could have been targeted by both the Scum and some misguided Town blocker - please bear that in mind for future developments. * Last but not least, we also have a Town Tracker. His name is Pink Panther. The Panther tracked Wile E. Coyote last night, who in turn had targeted Pink Panther for his night action. The result of all this? The Panther and the Coyote seem to have had unconsenting coital interaction. I know, even more twisted than Norio's logical process, right? Obviously, nothing is going to save me now, so I suppose I might as well claim in public. I am the Pink Panther, the tracker. Apparently, the Blockers are pretty much our only lead today in terms of night actions. Let's say that neither blocker lied with regards to who blocked whom. That means that I could have been targeted by either a Scum or Town blocker; as is the case with Norio - but Ichirou is already growing more and more suspicious of Norio with each passing second. So, instead of giving him information on the Blocker he's in contact with, he keeps it to himself. Why? Because if Norio is indeed Scum, then that means that he could only have been targeted by the Town Blocker, whom Ichirou claims to be in contact with. In turn, I must then have been targeted by the Scum Blocker, whom Norio claims to be in contact with but believes to be a Town Blocker. Conveniently enough, Norio would like to know the identities of both blockers, but is actually already talking to one and trusting him. I wonder why that could be the case... Well, the fact remains that despite the fight you two have had, Norio has been trying to organize things, and if what he's said can be believed, he's done a pretty good job so far. It would make more sense for a scum blocker to block Norio than for a town blocker to.
Peanuts Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 My train of thought. Not yours. I expect you to understand your own Anyway... へえええええ？ I still don't quite get it, but I figure it's not important anyway. I don't expect you to take my word for it, but I highly doubt there will be counter claims, since those people would likely be lying scumbags For the time being, it's better to give me the benefit of the doubt, since I'm not spinning elaborate theories on possible scum identities that I have no certainty in, which, while a townie technique, it's also a scum technique to throw people off in the wrong direction. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt right now, as I consider both Ichirou and Tamiko (and propably Lizzy as well) greater suspects than you, and I'm willing to listen to everything you're going to say. And so far I wouldn't say there's enough against you to warrant going against you, especially not since you seem to be rather active behind the scenes. And don't worry about the "safeness" of these investigators. We're already working around the danger of insane readings If you say so. I guess I'll have to take your word for it.
Eskallon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Norio isn't maf or I would be dead...................... Can you stop talking in riddles, stop talking rubbish and start doing something useful god damnit. If maybe you helped us a little maybe when we are safe we might do you a favour and lynch you, just do something useful rather than just being you. Too late, I've been investigated, and found safe. I will say that at this point I've learned that there are at least three methods that town can investigate, and I've been cleared by one. Obviously, I can't reveal any more than that Anyway, those people all will not be investigating me a second time. It's time to move on to bigger fish. I will reiterate to the watcher though, that you should to watch me tonight. The scum will want to either block or kill me. I think I have protection, but the scum may think it's a double-bluff or something and venture to try to kill me anyway. It's in town's best interests Oh yeah, well thats your word against everyone else's here, telling us inadvertadly to not investigate you is one of the scummiest things I have seen all day. Infact I havent seen you do anything useful that hasnt been drowned out by your stupid and distracting arguments, I would say the same thing for my father in law but at least when he did argue he was spouting megablocks. Now could you either stop the arguing for a while or go away because quite frankly Im sick of turning up and having to read through everything you say. Its getting to the point where I am skimming over your "speechs" since 90% of it is pure rubbish which nobody is able to follow. Well, the fact remains that despite the fight you two have had, Norio has been trying to organize things, and if what he's said can be believed, he's done a pretty good job so far. It would make more sense for a scum blocker to block Norio than for a town blocker to. Organise You make me chuckle. *father in law but at least when he did argue he wasn't spouting megablocks...
Rick Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Obviously, nothing is going to save me now, so I suppose I might as well claim in public. I am the Pink Panther, the tracker. I don't think anything was going to save you much earlier today, so I'm really wondering why you waited so long with this claim.
CorneliusMurdock Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 If you're the "Pink Panther", then perhaps you would like to talk about this whole business with "Wylie Coyote"? What do you think he/she did to you?
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I don't think anything was going to save you much earlier today, so I'm really wondering why you waited so long with this claim. I waited so long to claim because, up until this point, there was at least a little sliver of hope for me. Now there's none, so I have nothing left to lose. I know my role isn't the most important, so I wouldn't blame you for keeping your votes on me. If you're the "Pink Panther", then perhaps you would like to talk about this whole business with "Wylie Coyote"? What do you think he/she did to you? To be honest, I don't really know. Like Nobuo said, Wylie Coyote and I did it in the broom closet, and I don't remember ever consenting to that. I think it's possible that Wylie Coyote is a Seductress role, a role that creates a chain of Lovers who die when the Seductress dies. However, that is a pretty farfetched role, so I'm kind of unsure. I talked to Wylie a little earlier today, and he/she wanted to have nothing to do with me. He/she can't be an investigator role, because then he/she would have learned that I'm town (unless he/she is insane or something). He/she can't be a blocker or a hijacker, because my results did say that Wylie targeted me, so I'm assuming my action worked. I don't know - what does everyone else think?
fhomess Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 You're forgetting that there could be a protector among us who might have been lucky tonight. And we don't even know if there is a serial killer. That isn't to say those two shouldn't be checked out somehow. Yes, that's a good point, I had forgotten about the possibility of a protector. That would add another possibility, and my scenarios above acknowledged that it's not a guarantee that either of them are anything but Yakuza. Obviously, nothing is going to save me now, so I suppose I might as well claim in public. I am the Pink Panther, the tracker. I think this is definitely worth consideration, but why are you more interested in saving yourself than the blocker if the blocker is someone you don't trust? Your blocker claims to have targeted Norio, and the other blocker claims to have targeted Nobuo. The fact that we don't have a counterclaim by either of them leads me to believe that they're telling the truth about who they targeted. If I'm reading everything correctly, we know the identity of the blocker that targeted Nobuo, but not the one that targeted Norio. Keeping the identity to yourself is suspicious. Nobuo has made it sound like he's already working with you, since he knew of your existence. If that's the case, why haven't the two of you conspired better to let us all know which of the blockers is scum? Well, the fact remains that despite the fight you two have had, Norio has been trying to organize things, and if what he's said can be believed, he's done a pretty good job so far. It would make more sense for a scum blocker to block Norio than for a town blocker to. Perhaps this makes sense for tonight, but I'm not sure how it makes sense for last night.
Professor Flitwick Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Too late, I've been investigated, and found safe. I will say that at this point I've learned that there are at least three methods that town can investigate, and I've been cleared by one. Obviously, I can't reveal any more than that Anyway, those people all will not be investigating me a second time. It's time to move on to bigger fish. The vig has priorities. They make their own decisions, but, personally, I think we shouldn't take people out for being irritating. We did have a laugh about the options we have for annoying members of the family though *sniff* So you can decide whom the investigators investigate, but not whom the vigilante kills? Seems odd that you don't want to be investigated a second time, although, if you've a role like the Ninja/Godfather, it would be pointless. And we don't even know if there is a serial killer. That isn't to say those two shouldn't be checked out somehow. *sniff* As I've said earlier in the day, I'd doubt it, because there wasn't any mention of a third party in the rules that grandfather Lloyd lay down at the start. Norio isn't maf or I would be dead...................... *sniff* Either I'm delirious from crying, or that doesn't make a lick of sense. Obviously, nothing is going to save me now, so I suppose I might as well claim in public. I am the Pink Panther, the tracker. *sniff* It's just a shame we're not as bigger suckers for role claims as you are. Nobuo, what exactly did Ichirou and Wile E. Coyotte say they got up to? Which one of them said it?
Eskallon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 *sniff* It's just a shame we're not as bigger suckers for role claims as you are. Nobuo, what exactly did Ichirou and Wile E. Coyotte say they got up to? Which one of them said it? Ichirou told me in private that he watched himself and saw Coyote target himself. And then our Grandfather also told him that he was done something nasty too by Coyote.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Ichirou told me in private that he watched himself and saw Coyote target himself. And then our Grandfather also told him that he was done something nasty too by Coyote. No, I didn't watch myself - you misread what I said. I'm the tracker, not the watcher, silly! I TRACKED Wiley, and Wiley targeted me.
Peanuts Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 No, I didn't watch myself - you misread what I said. I'm the tracker, not the watcher, silly! I TRACKED Wiley, and Wiley targeted me. And, by tracking, you not only learned who Wiley targeted, but also what he was doing to you? (Although you were having sex, so I guess you should have figured it out yourself...) I'm not sure what to make out of that action either, but I remember reading an European Fantasy book called Medieval Castle II, in which a Wizard slept with someone in order to protect him. In other cases, it might be blocking, but we obviously already got enough blockers which don't sleep with people. And if you say your action was successful, it can't have been blocker, as you said. If you are true, that is. in which a Wizard slept with someone in order to protect him. Her, I meant
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 And, by tracking, you not only learned who Wiley targeted, but also what he was doing to you? (Although you were having sex, so I guess you should have figured it out yourself...) I'm not sure what to make out of that action either, but I remember reading an European Fantasy book called Medieval Castle II, in which a Wizard slept with someone in order to protect him. In other cases, it might be blocking, but we obviously already got enough blockers which don't sleep with people. And if you say your action was successful, it can't have been blocker, as you said. If you are true, that is. My theory is that I would have been told that I slept with him no matter who I targeted if Wiley had really gone for me. Or maybe it's an Easter Egg in this game that whenever a tracker tracks someone who targets him, they do it in the closet. I don't know.
Cecilie Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Obviously, nothing is going to save me now, so I suppose I might as well claim in public. I am the Pink Panther, the tracker. A tracker is actually quite a useful role for town. And yet you still won't try to save yourself by presenting us with the possibly best suspect we have (besides you of course ): the blocker who has claimed to you. If you're really town, you shouldn't just die with that role. There must be someone you can trust with the name of that blocker, someone who can help assess if the person is a lying mutineer. If you just keep it to yourself, it might take us a long time to figure it out, because this person is going to think twice about claiming to anyone else now that we all think he's suspicious.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 A tracker is actually quite a useful role for town. And yet you still won't try to save yourself by presenting us with the possibly best suspect we have (besides you of course ): the blocker who has claimed to you. If you're really town, you shouldn't just die with that role. There must be someone you can trust with the name of that blocker, someone who can help assess if the person is a lying mutineer. If you just keep it to yourself, it might take us a long time to figure it out, because this person is going to think twice about claiming to anyone else now that we all think he's suspicious. Be patient, Yoshiko. The Day's not over yet.
Brickdoctor Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Norio isn't maf or I would be dead..................... Okay, I'm going to actually try to make sense of this, because at least this time it's clear what Tamiko said, even if it's not clear what she meant. The possible scenarios are: Norio is Town, Tamiko is Scum - Norio probably wouldn't want to kill Tamiko, because he doesn't want to waste a lynch on her. He doesn't appear to have gotten a 'Scum' read on her right now. Norio is Scum, Tamiko is Scum - Norio might want to kill Tamiko, realizing that he could bus her and that she's not going to be helping the Scum any time soon. On the other hand, she could work well as a distraction to the Town. Norio is Town, Tamiko is Town - Norio probably wouldn't want to kill Tamiko, because he doesn't want to waste a lynch on her. He doesn't appear to have gotten a 'Scum' read on her right now. Norio is Scum, Tamiko is Town - Norio wouldn't want to kill Tamiko, because she's suspicious, so the Town might get rid of her, and because she doesn't help, so she's not a danger to the Scum. So, assuming that Tamiko has put some thought into this, the only reason that Tamiko would be dead if Norio is Scum is if Tamiko is Scum, too, and Norio wants to use this as a chance to establish trust. That doesn't make that much sense, considering the Scum are down one already, but it makes the most sense of the four possible scenarios. The only reason I don't want to vote for Tamiko is the fact that if she's telling the truth, lynching her would give her the satisfaction of winning even after her actions of Today. That being said, as has been said, there's no reason for a Jester to claim Jester. It's simple enough for a Jester to get himself lynched without roleclaiming. Claiming Jester is more likely to make someone not get lynched, so as a roleclaim it only benefits the Scum and other Independents. What does everyone else think? I Unvote: Ichirou (Tamamono) and I Vote: Tamiko (zakura).
Peanuts Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 What does everyone else think? I Unvote: Ichirou (Tamamono) and I Vote: Tamiko (zakura). I still think the vigilante should kill her. Boils down to the same, without the risk of handing her victory if she really is the Jester. But I said that a few times now, and nothing she said changed my opinion. The vigilante is a role that's dangerous to the Yakuza, as he might kill a loyal member without giving them a chance to defend themselves. What better course of action is there than killig someone who has done no effort at all defending herself?
badboytje88 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Votes so far: Ichirou (Tamamono): 21 Votes Eskallon, Rumble Strike, Zakura, Scubacarrot, Etzel, Def, Bob, CorneliusMurdock, Peanuts, Rick, Rufus, Alopex, Cecilie, Whitefang, Professor Flitwick, JimButcher, CallMePieOrDie, Masked Builder, Nightshroud99, Capt. Redblade, Fhomess Lizzy (Capt. Redblade): 1 Vote Volcanicpanik, Momoe (Rufus): 1 Vote Tamamono, Norio (Def): 1 Vote MetroiD Tamiko (Zakura): 2 Votes Swils, Brickdoctor Day two will end in a few hours. You may start getting your night actions in. Edited February 27, 2012 by badboytje88
CMP Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I'm still edging for Ichirou. I mean, I'll be honest. The reasoning for his really late roleclaim is nothing but selfish: I waited so long to claim because, up until this point, there was at least a little sliver of hope for me. Now there's none, so I have nothing left to lose. I know my role isn't the most important, so I wouldn't blame you for keeping your votes on me. You idiot. You say there's no hope for yourself to survive, and here you go planting your last shot at life in your roleclaim. Furthermore, any town that wanted to help actually be successful in weeding out the scum would've claimed earlier. If you had, yeah, maybe I'd be unvoting you, since losing a power role is something we can't really afford. If there was a sliver of hope for you before, shouldn't you have jumped on the opportunity and claimed, at least when the bandwagon was forming? My vote is staying right where it is. The only credibility you have so far is Nobuo's and an apparently misread version by Noriko. Splitting the votes this late is too big of a risk, in my mind. You've cut your breathing room short. What does everyone else think? I'm in favor of our vig killing Tamiko. She sure as hell doesn't deserve a victory, but witholding that victory at the risk of keeping a scum alive isn't worth it.
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