Tachyon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Okay, I'm going to actually try to make sense of this, because at least this time it's clear what Tamiko said, even if it's not clear what she meant. The possible scenarios are: Norio is Town, Tamiko is Scum - Norio probably wouldn't want to kill Tamiko, because he doesn't want to waste a lynch on her. He doesn't appear to have gotten a 'Scum' read on her right now. Norio is Scum, Tamiko is Scum - Norio might want to kill Tamiko, realizing that he could bus her and that she's not going to be helping the Scum any time soon. On the other hand, she could work well as a distraction to the Town. Norio is Town, Tamiko is Town - Norio probably wouldn't want to kill Tamiko, because he doesn't want to waste a lynch on her. He doesn't appear to have gotten a 'Scum' read on her right now. Norio is Scum, Tamiko is Town - Norio wouldn't want to kill Tamiko, because she's suspicious, so the Town might get rid of her, and because she doesn't help, so she's not a danger to the Scum. So, assuming that Tamiko has put some thought into this, the only reason that Tamiko would be dead if Norio is Scum is if Tamiko is Scum, too, and Norio wants to use this as a chance to establish trust. That doesn't make that much sense, considering the Scum are down one already, but it makes the most sense of the four possible scenarios. The only reason I don't want to vote for Tamiko is the fact that if she's telling the truth, lynching her would give her the satisfaction of winning even after her actions of Today. That being said, as has been said, there's no reason for a Jester to claim Jester. It's simple enough for a Jester to get himself lynched without roleclaiming. Claiming Jester is more likely to make someone not get lynched, so as a roleclaim it only benefits the Scum and other Independents. What does everyone else think? I Unvote: Ichirou (Tamamono) and I Vote: Tamiko (zakura). Clap Clap, even if i die there is another person as backup my role will pass to.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I'm straightening a few things out, but I'll have a huge post with a bunch of important information pretty soon. Grandfather, I've already asked you this in private, but please don't close the Day yet. I am confident that I have info that can help the town, but I need some more time to get it all together.
Brickdoctor Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I still think the vigilante should kill her. Boils down to the same, without the risk of handing her victory if she really is the Jester. But I said that a few times now, and nothing she said changed my opinion. The vigilante is a role that's dangerous to the Yakuza, as he might kill a loyal member without giving them a chance to defend themselves. What better course of action is there than killig someone who has done no effort at all defending herself? Yeah, that seems to make - wait: Clap Clap, even if i die there is another person as backup my role will pass to. Wait, what? Since when was the Jester role inheritable by another player?
Eskallon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 No, I didn't watch myself - you misread what I said. I'm the tracker, not the watcher, silly! I TRACKED Wiley, and Wiley targeted me. Oops, your right, I misread it, sorry bout that. Clap Clap, even if i die there is another person as backup my role will pass to. Okay, now I am worried, the Jester role cannot be passed on, its a bastard role and I have never heard of such a stupid thing to do with it. Plus its almost always in the rules that you cannot roleclaim. Because of what you just said, I now believe that you are either the Scum vigilant or the Scum Godfather....or this is another poor attempt at being voted which I hope the vigilant takes care of. Im not going to unvote Ichirou because I believe him to be scum, I started the lynch on him and we have an hour left and Id rather see another day sooner. But I warn you now that you have no chance tomorrow unless you get a very very good defence ready and have a god damn amazing reason as to why you said what you said above. All I have seen today from you Tamiko is a piss poor performance and a terrible attitude.
Tachyon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Oops, your right, I misread it, sorry bout that. Okay, now I am worried, the Jester role cannot be passed on, its a bastard role and I have never heard of such a stupid thing to do with it. Plus its almost always in the rules that you cannot roleclaim. Because of what you just said, I now believe that you are either the Scum vigilant or the Scum Godfather....or this is another poor attempt at being voted which I hope the vigilant takes care of. Im not going to unvote Ichirou because I believe him to be scum, I started the lynch on him and we have an hour left and Id rather see another day sooner. But I warn you now that you have no chance tomorrow unless you get a very very good defence ready and have a god damn amazing reason as to why you said what you said above. All I have seen today from you Tamiko is a piss poor performance and a terrible attitude. Fine with me, I'm not going to tell you what my role is but vig does.......................
Scubacarrot Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Alright, here is the whole gripe with this whole thing, Tamiko seems hell-bent on getting lynched... Why? The only logical reason I can think of is that she is protecting Ichirou. I seriously doubt she would be as careless to spill her role if she really was a sort of 'Joker'. What if Ichirou has a more important role than Tamiko, and the scum are trying to get Ichirou another night (I figure with this number of players, there are bound to be a few 'vanilla' scum).? I am going to leave my vote on Tamiko. I meant: I am going to leave my vote on Ichirou, apologies, I am an old lady.
Eskallon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Fine with me, I'm not going to tell you what my role is but vig does....................... Face Palm because isnt enough! Please start talking properly rather than riddles which arn't written in proper english. Edited February 27, 2012 by Eskallon
Peanuts Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Fine with me, I'm not going to tell you what my role is but vig does....................... So you're the vigilante jester right now? Oh, wait, why do I even bother asking? Alright, here is the whole gripe with this whole thing, Tamiko seems hell-bent on getting lynched... I don't know. If she's trying to get herself lynched, she's doing a horrible job. Claiming Jester is never going to get anyone lynched as long as there's a vigilante. And I doubt there would be none with this amount of people in this temple.
CMP Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Well, I hope you have a lovely night, Ms. Bulletproof Jester the First.
Tachyon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Face Palm because isnt enough! Please start talking properly rather than riddles which arn't written in proper english. Wow,look an edit. Well, I hope you have a lovely night, Ms. Bulletproof Jester the First. Do you really think scum would waste time killing me ????
Scubacarrot Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Wow,look an edit. Oh come on, are you trying to get everybody to hate you? Behaviour like this may be something you enjoy, but I think future hosts may be thinking twice about picking you for a game. Your behaviour is plain childish.
Brickdoctor Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Wow,look an edit. Wow, look, a statement that calls out someone else's mistake, causing them to get penalty votes and increasing the chances that Ichirou might not get lynched.
CMP Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Do you really think scum would waste time killing me ???? No, but we can all dream.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Okay, I think I finally understand what's going on here, and I'm ready to give away Roadrunner. Roadrunner is Tadao (The Legonater) I was on the fence about him before, but now I'm almost certain he's scum. In a situation like this, one would expect the blockers from each team to have different MOs, and I'm sure the scum suspected this as well. However, when both Norio and Nobuo came forward this morning complaining about being bonked on the head by katanas, it must have clicked in the Mutineers' minds that they could have their blocker impersonate a town blocker - much like the scum protector quite frequently impersonates a town protector. However, they did not know this until Day 2, so any blocker who claimed before Day 2 is very likely to be town. I learned about my blocker through someone I was already in contact with, Akira (Bob). Akira contacted me during Day 1 asking if I wanted to 'network' with him, and I agreed. We chatted for a little while, but nothing really useful was coming out of our conversation, so things died down a little bit after a while. A few hours after Day 2 began, Akira sent me this message: I have information about a player's role you might find interesting. Can I trust you? It of course goes without saying that I told him that he could definitely tell me. Next, Akira told me this: Legonater is the town Roleblocker. I'm not sure who he blocked last night, because he wouldn't say. This was roughly eight hours after Nobuo and Norio had complained about being blocked (although he sent me the message after only four) - enough time for the scum team to have talked about and decided on a plan about what to do about their blocker. Judging by the timestamps, I think it is very likely that Tadao 'claimed' to Akira on Day 2. I doubt it was on Day 1, because Akira seemed perfectly happy to give me this information, and Akira's been around for awhile, he should know that you don't just give these things out so easily. When I confronted Tadao earlier today (yesterday in real time) about how he claimed to me without any prompting and how he had done the same to Akira, Tadao said that Akira had 'directly prompted him' to tell him his role. Why would Akira have 'directly prompted him' so conveniently exactly when the Mutineers learned that their blocker could impersonate the town one? My theory is that both Akira and Tadao are scum. I had already told Akira that I was trying to start an inner-townie circle, so he knew that if he passed on information to me about a power role, I would eat it right up. There was no reason for Akira to tell me what he told me - and the way he did it looked kind of fishy. I think that the Mutineers wanted to get Tadao into the inner-townie circle, and they saw Akira as a perfect way to transfer the information about Tadao being a blocker to me. Now, it's definitely possible that Akira had told Tadao that I was starting an inner-townie circle, and Tadao told his team, but I'm leaning toward Akira and Tadao both being scum. Out of the two of them, I think the more likely scum is Tadao (obviously), so I will: Unvote: Momoe (Rufus) Vote: Tadao (The Legonater) Now, I had already found Tadao rather suspicious because of his behavior, but I was inclined to let him off the hook because of his lack of experience. This is what he said when he claimed to me: Ah. Sure. Well, as a show of trust on my part, I am the Yakuzi(Town) Roleblocker. I was the one who blocked Norio last night, as I found his behavior... odd, and almost arogant, and non-compliant. Thus I decided it was an improvment to be safe than sorry. It would appear, though, that he is not in any harmful role. This sounds to me like Tadao (or whoever the scum blocker is) blocked Norio last night before he knew that both blockers had the same MO, and he was trying to cover up for it just in case there was a watcher or a tracker around Norio or Tadao. We talked for a while, and he really didn't say anything that suspicious. Then, when Norio first told me about the second blocker, I confronted Tadao about it. This is what he replied to me: I have been honest with you throughout today. I am the town roleblocker, and I blocked Norio last night because I found his action suspicous. Fact. I told him he had claimed to both me and Akira without any prompting, and he said this: Actually, Akira did prompt. Directly. And again, it was an effort to build trust. Your role isn't something you use to build trust. You should know that. So I said that maybe I'd put him in contact with Norio so he could be cleared. He seemed okay with this, and we continued on as usual. When Norio started pressuring me, I said this to Tadao: Okay, here's the deal. Def has found another blocker which he claims has been verified. He also claims this blocker blocked MetroiD last night. I was just talking to def, and he says that if I give him the name of 'my blocker', then we can lynch that blocker and save me. He also wants to know if our blockers are the same person. I have a very strong hunch that no matter who I say, he'll say "Oh yeah, that's my guy! Sorry, Tammo!". If you want to talk to him, then go ahead, but I'm cautioning you now, okay? Basically, what I'm asking is: Can I reveal you to def? Do you think it's a good idea? And he replied with this: I'm not sure. Especially with MetroiD's accusations, I must say that I'm not totally sure of Def's alliegance. Despite how good it would be to clear my name, it would not be wise to reveal such an identity to the enemy. I think it's pretty strange that Tadao started showing concern about Norio only after I did. That's a pretty big scumtell right there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So, there you have it - there's my blocker. So sorry it took me so long to reveal him - I'm having a really hard time telling town from scum this time, but this theory fits together almost perfectly. The scum slipped up pretty bad here, and I feel like an idiot for not catching it earlier. Oh well, better late than never, I guess! Please change your votes to Tadao, people. I am almost 100% sure he is scum! You gain nothing from killing me except for the loss of a power role. We've still got some time, but we have to act fast.
Tachyon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Wow, look, a statement that calls out someone else's mistake, causing them to get penalty votes and increasing the chances that Ichirou might not get lynched. You really think I would help Ichirou ????
Scubacarrot Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Wow, look, a statement that calls out someone else's mistake, causing them to get penalty votes and increasing the chances that Ichirou might not get lynched. Pfew, I am getting visions of a man with a fez in the desert, who pulled a similair move...
Eskallon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Yes, its you. Interesting ichirou, but I think I will wait till tomorrow before believing any of that. The Sun'll Come Out Tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, they'll be sun.
Masked Builder Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Alright, I believe the case presented by Emi against Tamiko seems a bit stronger to me than the one against Ichirou. The new information against Tadao seems intresting enough but I think I may let that case slide until tomorrow. I will Unvote: Ichirou (Tamamono) and I Vote: Tamiko (zakura).
Brickdoctor Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 You really think I would help Ichirou ???? I don't know. Just about everything you say doesn't makes sense, so I have no reason to believe your actions would make sense, either. But if both of you are Scum, then I imagine that your Scum teammates would rather have Ichirou around than you. Pfew, I am getting visions of a man with a fez in the desert, who pulled a similair move... Hey, at least I learn from my mistakes.
badboytje88 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Posted February 27, 2012 Sorry guys I forgot I started this day in the morning on my free day, which means you still have 12 hours till it ends.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Interesting ichirou, but I think I will wait till tomorrow before believing any of that. The Sun'll Come Out Tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, they'll be sun. What do you mean 'believing'? You should believe everything I said. I even quoted the PMs from Tadao and Akira as proof. What is there to not believe?
Scubacarrot Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 What do you mean 'believing'? You should believe everything I said. I even quoted the PMs from Tadao and Akira as proof. What is there to not believe? Sure, the quotes are there, but I want to point out that the conclusions you got from that are nothing but conjecture, and your claim, is quite frankly, nothing more than just a claim, made very late in your defense, therefore, not dealbreaking in this case for me. My vote is still staying where it is.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Sure, the quotes are there, but I want to point out that the conclusions you got from that are nothing but conjecture, and your claim, is quite frankly, nothing more than just a claim, made very late in your defense, therefore, not dealbreaking in this case for me. My vote is still staying where it is. Alright then, fine. Keep your vote on me if you must. I just hope what I have brought forward will help the town to catch those Mutineers. Killing me is a waste of a game Day, but we got off to a good start yesterday, so I guess we could afford to lose a townie. However, I am the tracker, and I think I can be of further help to the town.
Peanuts Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Yes, I'll also keep my vote where it is. Even if you are true about that, doesn't mean Tadao is a Mutineer. He might as well be a naive blocker being played by you. If you turn out to be Yakuza, though, I'll have a further look at him, so thank you for sharing this info. If so, I still think we can go on with the plan I suggested earlier, killing both claimed blockers tomorrow.
Eskallon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Please change your votes to Tadao, people. I am almost 100% sure he is scum! You gain nothing from killing me except for the loss of a power role. We've still got some time, but we have to act fast. In my book, thats begging for an unvote and revote. Such a desperate attempt is obvious. If in the unlikely case that you are town, then your conclusions will be greatly appreciated and looked into fully. However until then we will sit on them. At least you will know in your death you helped us.
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