badboytje88 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Edited February 27, 2012 by badboytje88
badboytje88 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Votes so far: Ichirou (Tamamono): 20 Votes Eskallon, Rumble Strike, Zakura, Scubacarrot, Etzel, Def, Bob, CorneliusMurdock, Peanuts, Rick, Rufus, Alopex, Cecilie, Whitefang, Professor Flitwick, JimButcher, CallMePieOrDie, Nightshroud99, Capt. Redblade, Fhomess Lizzy (Capt. Redblade): 1 Vote Volcanicpanik, Tadao (The Legonater): 1 Vote Tamamono, Norio (Def): 1 Vote MetroiD Tamiko (Zakura): 3 Votes Swils, Brickdoctor, Masked Builder Edited February 27, 2012 by badboytje88
MetroiD Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I'd like to just point out that when asked in private frankly why he's lost faith in Ichirou all of a sudden and jumped on the bandwagon from the off without even taking the time to reconsider, Tadao's response was simple and very straightforward: He said he feared guilt by association. He also said something about Ichirou having "managed" to find out his role when I questioned him, and even though my initial query was formulated in a misleading manner (i.e. "Did he make you give him your role?"), the fact of the matter is that Tadao went talking to people who then in turn connected him to third persons simply in order to roleclaim... I'm sorry, but I don't really buy this stuff with all the roleclaims going on so early in this game -- and quite frankly, I think that all these Family members claiming to other people and revealing their identities, etc. merely based on metagaming or God knows what other form of ill-advised trust, is absolutely ridiculous. If it's true, that just makes me feel ashamed to be Yakuza right now, because we're supposed to be way smarter than this. Let's elaborate for a second here though. If Tadao fears guilt by association, that means he's pretty sure Ichirou is scum, and not a loyal Family member. In that case -- why the hell would he go to all the trouble to reach him and share his presumable town blocker role in the first place?! Tadao, please do speak up. Another person I'd like to hear speak up at this point would be our "middle man" here, Akira, who's very much kept to himself during our discussions throughout the Day, yet seems as though he's been taking on a rather active role behind the scenes.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Okay, Akira just got back to me claiming that Tadao claimed on Day 1, but not until after he had read the thread. Yes, I've been stalking Akira. Akira, to prove this claim, please invite me into the conversation between you and Tadao. That should clear things up.
Cecilie Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Well Ichirou, you're finally making at least a bit sense, and presenting us with a serious case. Too bad it's coming this late though, I doubt there is enough time to properly look into this new information before the day ends. I know I will soon be sleeping disinfecting the temple for the rest of the day, and I'm sure others are occupied as well. Had you claimed tracker sooner, and told us about this potential scum blocker when there was still time to turn the tide, we could have looked for tracker counter claims and had time to hear reactions from the accused.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Well Ichirou, you're finally making at least a bit sense, and presenting us with a serious case. Too bad it's coming this late though, I doubt there is enough time to properly look into this new information before the day ends. I know I will soon be sleeping disinfecting the temple for the rest of the day, and I'm sure others are occupied as well. Had you claimed tracker sooner, and told us about this potential scum blocker when there was still time to turn the tide, we could have looked for tracker counter claims and had time to hear reactions from the accused. Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't claim earlier. This early in the game, I was kind of unsure when I should do it. Anywho, I learned something, so that's definitely a plus. Good luck catching Akira and Tadao tomorrow.
Bob Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Okay, I think I finally understand what's going on here, and I'm ready to give away Roadrunner. Roadrunner is Tadao (The Legonater) I was on the fence about him before, but now I'm almost certain he's scum. In a situation like this, one would expect the blockers from each team to have different MOs, and I'm sure the scum suspected this as well. However, when both Norio and Nobuo came forward this morning complaining about being bonked on the head by katanas, it must have clicked in the Mutineers' minds that they could have their blocker impersonate a town blocker - much like the scum protector quite frequently impersonates a town protector. However, they did not know this until Day 2, so any blocker who claimed before Day 2 is very likely to be town. Please change your votes to Tadao, people. I am almost 100% sure he is scum! You gain nothing from killing me except for the loss of a power role. We've still got some time, but we have to act fast. You idiot. That's all I have to say to you. You've just revealed, in public thread, that Tadao is the blocker. Tadao trusted me and I trusted you as well to keep this information safe and you go ahead and scream it to the temple. I don't know if you're the tracker or whatever you're claiming to be at the moment, (even though you privately said to me that you're a vanilla townie), but I can't believe you've just shot the town in the foot. I'm inclined to believe you're scum, which is why my vote stands. I can't believe you'd do something so detrimental to the family. I've been networking privately, yes, I will admit that. This is only because I'd rather not just repeat what's been said in thread. Rather, I'm discussing things with various family members and trying to communicate amongst them. The only reason I trusted Ichirou is because he seemed to be trustworthy at the time, however I realize now that I am a bad judge of character. Okay, Akira just got back to me claiming that Tadao claimed on Day 1, but not until after he had read the thread. Yes, I've been stalking Akira. Akira, to prove this claim, please invite me into the conversation between you and Tadao. That should clear things up. The only place I'm inviting you to is the dragon's mouth. Even if you aren't scum, which I doubt, you're still a giant moron.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 The only place I'm inviting you to is the dragon's mouth. Even if you aren't scum, which I doubt, you're still a giant moron. So, in other words, "There is no PM! We talked about it in our Writeboard, but we can't invite you there!" I actually thought you'd try to come up with an excuse. This should be a pretty good indicator that both Akira and Tadao are scum. I wish I had two votes so I could vote for them both! Listen, if there's a serial killer out there, while the vig is killing Tamiko, maybe you could do the town a favor and kill Akira or Tadao? You've got a good chance of surviving if you side with the town!
Bob Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 So, in other words, "There is no PM! We talked about it in our Writeboard, but we can't invite you there!" I actually thought you'd try to come up with an excuse. Ready to recant that last statement?
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Okay then, Akira has invited me into his convo with Tadao, so now they can't both be scum. Now we're getting somewhere! Thanks, Akira, and sorry for dragging you into this! What Tadao said in his private message with Akira makes me still pretty suspicious of Tadao, but he did claim before the new Day went up. It's still possible that Tadao is town, but now this makes it look like Norio's blocker is the scummie here. Damn it, I hope I didn't just get played by Norio. Ready to recant that last statement? *clears throat*
CMP Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 What Tadao said in his private message with Akira makes me still pretty suspicious of Tadao, but he did claim before the new Day went up. It's still possible that Tadao is town, but now this makes it look like Norio's blocker is the scummie here. Or....wait for it....you're still scrabbling at gravel trying to save yourself with accusations at anybody with an open case? Well, I can't blame you for it, Itchy Mutie. My vote's still gonna stand.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Or....wait for it....you're still scrabbling at gravel trying to save yourself with accusations at anybody with an open case? Well, I can't blame you for it, Itchy Mutie. My vote's still gonna stand. Nope, and you'll see that tomorrow. Not that you don't know the truth already.
Eskallon Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Or....wait for it....you're still scrabbling at gravel trying to save yourself with accusations at anybody with an open case? Isnt that what Ichirou always does in these situations.
Scubacarrot Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Nope, and you'll see that tomorrow. Not that you don't know the truth already. Oh, Come on man, we should try to make a list of who you have not accused, I bet it is shorter than the list of the people you have.
def Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Oh yeah, well thats your word against everyone else's here, telling us inadvertadly to not investigate you is one of the scummiest things I have seen all day. Infact I havent seen you do anything useful that hasnt been drowned out by your stupid and distracting arguments, I would say the same thing for my father in law but at least when he did argue he was spouting megablocks. Now could you either stop the arguing for a while or go away because quite frankly Im sick of turning up and having to read through everything you say. Its getting to the point where I am skimming over your "speechs" since 90% of it is pure rubbish which nobody is able to follow. I'm not telling a single person not to investigate me. I'm saying I've been investigated, and they are all good with me, so they will be spending their efforts elsewhere. If they want to double up and try again, that's their choice to. But I find it unlikely. As for you being tired of my speeches? Well, no shit. I have no tolerance for your bad attitude, and I've let you know. I think that's the natural thing, for you to be bitter. I certainly don't blame myself for you not being able to follow what I say. That's on you and your fluency with the language, buddy, not on me. I think you need to spend a day at an onsen chilling out *sniff* So you can decide whom the investigators investigate, but not whom the vigilante kills? Seems odd that you don't want to be investigated a second time, although, if you've a role like the Ninja/Godfather, it would be pointless. Nope, same as above. I'm not dictating orders to anybody. When I wrote: Anyway, those people all will not be investigating me a second time. It's time to move on to bigger fish. Do you think I was saying it because I'm the puppet-master holding the strings, or because I feel that we've got a modicum of trust built, and we're going to focus our efforts elsewhere? Paranoia dictates the former, while logic dictates the latter. If there are any others out there with anything that could be classified an investigation ability, by all means, check me out, and we can get on with the family business, and cut down on the family squabbling Oh come on, are you trying to get everybody to hate you? Behaviour like this may be something you enjoy, but I think future hosts may be thinking twice about picking you for a game. Your behaviour is plain childish. Sorry, but pointing out edits is important in order to keep things fair. About those worrying I'm the godfather, please keep in mind that there are investigative methods beyond the cop, ones that won't be fooled by their innocent appearance. This is how I was cleared, and this is why they have confidence in me. As for tonight, I will consult with the vig and I think they'll be willing to take out Tadao. I'm praying he's scum, since I'd hate to think my blocker was lying to me
Scubacarrot Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I did not mean just that, I also meant his failure to bring out anything helpful, clear or generally posts that have anything reasonable in them.
fhomess Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Aye... I'm very confused by the recent happenings. Let me see if I understand: Tadao blocked Norio. Tadao told Akira he's a blocker with no real reason to trust Akira. Akira told Ichirou that Akio was a blocker with no real reason to trust Ichirou. Ichirou tried to withold this information from all of us until it was clear he was going to be lynched after his role claim didn't work. I'm inclined to think you're all scum or reckless Yakuza. The only one looking ok to me here is Norio. I think our vig has several prime candidates for tonight, as Tamiko certainly seems a worthy target as well.
Brickdoctor Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Aye... I'm very confused by the recent happenings. Confused, are you? Isn't acting confused a Scum Tell?
def Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I'm inclined to think you're all scum or reckless Yakuza. In past discussion, the vig and I had figured that taking out that blocker was the first order of business, if Ichiro revealed him. I haven't spoken since the reveal, but I think she'll still go in that direction. The only one looking ok to me here is Norio. Thanks, mate, you're looking fine yourself
fhomess Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Confused, are you? Isn't acting confused a Scum Tell? Not when it relates to people sharing role info without due cause to trust the person they're sharing it with. That's the type of thing we ought to be confused by, or possibly more accurately, disturbed by. Thanks, mate, you're looking fine yourself You know, an ex-spy and a martial arts expert...
JimBee Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 My vote stands. Ichirou, you've revealed two potentially useful town roles to everyone, but they are also potentially scum. The best way to find out is by lynching you today and killing Tadao tonight. If you're Yakuza, then I'm sorry it had to be this way, but you should've been a little more careful with your actions.
Tamamono Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 My vote stands. Ichirou, you've revealed two potentially useful town roles to everyone, but they are also potentially scum. The best way to find out is by lynching you today and killing Tadao tonight. If you're Yakuza, then I'm sorry it had to be this way, but you should've been a little more careful with your actions. I know. I was a bit careless, yes, but I've learned a very important lesson that I will take with me to the afterlife. I've finally accepted my fate (), and I plan to die with grace and dignity. I just hope what I brought forward will be of help to the town. Goodbye, everyone! It's been an honor playing with you all! I'm counting on you to catch the rest of those scummy Mutineers!
The Legonater Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 :wall: :wall: Great. Thanks a lot, Ichirou. I guess I might as well explain my story, now, seeing as I'm probably dead either way. First off, yes, I'm the Yakuza Roleblocker. On the first day I targeted Norio because I found his actions during the day suspicous. Akio came to me for an alliance, and rather directly asked for my role. I found no reason to distruct him, so I told him. He asked who I blocked. I decided to wait until the morning, in case either he or someone he knew had the ability to kill me and prevent this action. The morning came, and I told him. Then Ichirou came to me with a request to join his group. I saw no reason to distrust him either, so I told him what I told Akio. Throughout the day we talked, and discussed what was going on. It seemed that he slowly lost trust in me, but I still had no reason to lose trust in him. When the bandwaggen jumped on him, I decided to lay low. If he was scum after all, then I would have been quickly swept in with him. I warned him not to reveal my identity, and he agreed. Eventually Grandpa asked me if I had told Ichirou my role, what I did, and if I blocked him. I answered honestly to all the questions. I did not tell him my role, but I had guessed that he had already figured it out on his own. It's possible I'm missing something here or there, but that is my story overrall.
Professor Flitwick Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Akio came to me for an alliance, and rather directly asked for my role. I found no reason to distruct him, so I told him. *sniff* So someone asks you for your role, and you tell them right away? You say you weren't distrustful of him, but what on Earth would lead you to trusting him enough to spill your role to someone who asks for it?
Brickdoctor Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Not when it relates to people sharing role info without due cause to trust the person they're sharing it with. That's the type of thing we ought to be confused by, or possibly more accurately, disturbed by. That would be suspicious, or wary, or frustrated, or annoyed, or possibly baffled. (baffled being differentiated from confused in that it implies that you don't understand the reasons why something was done, whereas if you're confused you just don't understand anything that's being done) Being disturbed is not a form of being confused. If you're disturbed, you understand the actions, but you don't agree with them.
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