Yakuza Family - Day 2

[Rufus]

Indeed, Lizzy was one of two people who stood out for voting against the bandwagon. Her decision to vote for Maniko in response to one or two posts the latter made was odd, and rather opportunistic.

The other person to vote for someone other than Yasu was Manga, who chose to accuse Akio rather than following the bandwagon:

Since voting for Yasu now wouldn't matter, I've decided to look through the day and vote for who I think is most suspicious.

Akio brings up the "not voting issue". This is a conversation that always leads to dead ends and stupidity every time it's brought up. I think the scum are more likely to bring it up to diffuse attention from actually looking for suspects. After that he makes brief summarizing posts in order to appear helpful and active.

That's why I Vote: Akio (Rumble Strike).

Neither of these accusations were based on anything other than vague suspicion. They would seem to be scum moves except: (a) there was no realistic chance of overturning the bandwagon; and (b) they would know that their votes would stick out like sore thumbs - especially if they were scum, and knew that Yasu was a mutineer.

Of the two, I would expect Manga to know better than to do this (unless it is an elaborate double-bluff, but I can't see what the gain is ).

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In a similar vein, a few people prevaricated early during the vote - saying they'd come back later to decide. Given we by then knew we'd have unlimited unvotes, there was no harm in casting a vote early. Only scum would gain by delaying the formation of a solid bandwagon against one of their own.

I found two examples:

I'm really frustrated that Yasu hasn't been able to come up with a better defense here. I'm tired from going through all that's been said and will come to a conclusion on a vote after some rest. I really don't want to lose our role cop if that's what Yasu really is, but I may not mourn Yasu's loss too much given what she's shown today anyway. Yasu has enough votes for now, so after my rest I'll come back and review again to see if there's anyone else worth pointing the finger at even if it only is to help move us forward in the days to come.

Setsuku, who used a similar 'vote for someone else' tactic, but eventually voted for Yasu; and

Hmmm, hm hm hm...

I need to think more about this. I'm not entirely willing to vote for Yasu, but then again, if she's telling the truth then the scum all know it too, then her role won't be particularly useful with the scum avoiding or otherwise manipulating it. Something to keep in mind.

Aiko (not to be confused with Akio ).

None of this is particularly solid. Of all of these, I'd agree that Lizzy is probably the most suspicious.

[Rick]

Neither of these accusations were based on anything other than vague suspicion. They would seem to be scum moves except: (a) there was no realistic chance of overturning the bandwagon; and (b) they would know that their votes would stick out like sore thumbs - especially if they were scum, and knew that Yasu was a mutineer.

Of the two, I would expect Manga to know better than to do this (unless it is an elaborate double-bluff, but I can't see what the gain is ).

It stood out to me as well and it could well be a response to her being hesitant to vote for Yasu earlier yesterday and not wanting to be one of the late voters who obviously changed their opinion

In a similar vein, a few people prevaricated early during the vote - saying they'd come back later to decide. Given we by then knew we'd have unlimited unvotes, there was no harm in casting a vote early. Only scum would gain by delaying the formation of a solid bandwagon against one of their own.

I found two examples:

Dear mother, you may have seen me review what was said yesterday, and it seems like I got my analytical abilities from you, as these two clearly stood out to me as well.

But also, let's not forget the very 'helpful' contributions by Shiro yesterday.

Hello everybody! I don't really like this situation. What if we lynch the wrong person??

Yasu's statement was a bit strange, but it could be nothing. We'll have to think a bit more, although I doubt we will get any concrete evidence now.

Thats not really much of an excuse is it? At least you could defend your poor defence better

I don't really think Yasu is scum, although one day 1 we must follow the weakest of leads.

Vote: Yasu (TheBoyWonder)

I believe this is the right thing to do.

[MetroiD]

But also, let's not forget the very 'helpful' contributions by Shiro yesterday.

That's also my main concern so far. While there certainly are other Family members who have been anything but straightforward yesterday, Shiro's contributions have been rather impressive in terms of usefulness. Or rather, lack thereof. On the other hand though, they've been rather scummy since those three times he participated he:

a) gave us no concrete analysis of his own;

b) was not actually accusing or defending the Family member, just saying something in order not to remain silent;

c) joining the bandwagon with no solid reasoning for his decision whatsoever.

I'm very interested in what Shiro might have to say in his defence.

[Scubacarrot]

In a similar vein, a few people prevaricated early during the vote - saying they'd come back later to decide. Given we by then knew we'd have unlimited unvotes, there was no harm in casting a vote early. Only scum would gain by delaying the formation of a solid bandwagon against one of their own.

I must say I do not agree with this conclusion, I myself, was hesitant in voting for Yasu at first, and only was convinced of her innocence until it was clear she had given up.

The potential of voting out a Town Role Cop was too dangerous for me, but yeah, now it shows that this fear was not called for, but to me, at that point, it was not proven wrong yet. Maybe other people had different information than me, I do not know.

I said Innocence, I of course, meant Guilt

[Etzel]

The other person to vote for someone other than Yasu was Manga, who chose to accuse Akio rather than following the bandwagon:

Neither of these accusations were based on anything other than vague suspicion. They would seem to be scum moves except: (a) there was no realistic chance of overturning the bandwagon; and (b) they would know that their votes would stick out like sore thumbs - especially if they were scum, and knew that Yasu was a mutineer.

Of the two, I would expect Manga to know better than to do this (unless it is an elaborate double-bluff, but I can't see what the gain is ).

I wouldn't abandon the double-bluff option too quickly even though it might look too complicated at first. As you say, voting for someone else when we already had Yasu as good as dead seems like a weird choice for the scum as that would bring attention to them. But, when confronted with this they could just claim that if they were scum it would have been a stupid move and therefore they should be town. I wouldn't be surprised if the mutineers try to think one step further, e.g:

1. Manga votes for someone else then Yasu - Looks scummy

2. But scum wouldn't vote so that they look scummy - Looks like town move

3. And with that Manga can look town even though she might be a mutineer who planned that the first scummy move would be easily explained.

I don't find it too unlikely that the mutineers try and plan ahead at least 2 steps, but the problem is of course to know how many steps we must count on, which also can vary between the different mutineers. What I want to say is that we shouldn't dismiss suspicions too easily based on that the moves looks too scummy in the first step.

I might add as well that I don't think this might be a good base for voting on someone today since it looks like we have several other more likely candidates for that, but I wouldn't like if we too quickly accept someone as a trustworthy Yakuza and then later turns out to be a mutineer.

[Professor Flitwick]

I'M A MAN, DAMMIT! I mean, I'm a woman, dammit!

*sniff* Well, seeing as we're all sharing suspicions, I have doubts about Noriko. She was very non-committal throughout yesterday, and spoke frequently, but never said anything.

Hello everyone, Im here don't worry, you can all eat me out drop your kids in class now. Oh wait, it seems we have a problem Hmm, well Im gonna avoid the typical I don't know shit and move on to some more important things. Like finding a little black book and making a page for each of you.

*sniff* Here you can see she's getting right down to the action, and publicly states she's making notes on everyone. Keep this in mind as we go through what she's said.

I agree, for me unless something serious comes up (which I know it won't) I am gonna try and vote for someone inactive, well we will see how that goes as the day processes. For now just watching and preparing is the best idea.

I agree, some how in all my years of teaching, I haven't heard of the 3:1 ratio but it makes perfect sense to me and I can stick with that as a rough figure of 10ish. Lets adjust that slightly, I can guess its about 8/9 mutineers.

Here's a few things we can see here:

• She agrees. A good way to speak up enough times to look helpful.
  
• She's going to vote for someone inactive (ended up voting for Yasu), unless something serious comes up (this was after Yasu's defence)
  
• Spends half her time talking about game mechanics.
  

I decided not to clutter this post up with your other quotes, but your defence is very limiting and everything you say screams out inexperience and stupidity.

[sNIP]

But since I do think you are scum from everything I have said above:

Vote: Yasu (Boy Wonder)

*sniff* Somewhat contradictory, considering she (a) previously indicate she didn't feel Yasu was a 'serious' contender, and (b) she was going to vote for someone inactive.

My thoughts exactly, great job Norio.

*sniff* Glass houses.

Oh and what do you expect me to be doing then? I have been looking out today in these 20 pages but to be honest its hard. Incase you have forgotten its day 1 and nobody knows shit apart from the scum. I have done what I can do, if you think that I should be the most hardworking towny of towniest town member on the first day then maybe you too need to sit down and have a serious think about this family and how it operates.

Remember what she said at the start? And yet, a third of the day later, she and her little black book yielded nothing. I'm not asking for the world, but it makes her earlier post look like she was trying to appear helpful, but was doing nothing.

We can focus on looking through the thread and finding the mutineers through the posts and how they reacted to the accusations and other things. Im off for a bit now to go do that and I would advise you to do the same. This shouldn't be too hard and now we know what we are looking for in the posts yesterday it may become transparent.

So helpful, and yet so unhelpful.

Hmm, someone has some explaining to do, Isamu.

Essentially, another 'I agree'.

That is the exact type of post I am looking for as I will be going through the thread, it wreaks scum to me.

Again, remember that first post? Not only was she not noting behaviour as she went along yesterday (like she appeared to say she would), it's yet another attempt to look helpful, whilst doing nothing.

[def]

I wouldn't abandon the double-bluff option too quickly even though it might look too complicated at first. As you say, voting for someone else when we already had Yasu as good as dead seems like a weird choice for the scum as that would bring attention to them. But, when confronted with this they could just claim that if they were scum it would have been a stupid move and therefore they should be town. I wouldn't be surprised if the mutineers try to think one step further, e.g:

1. Manga votes for someone else then Yasu - Looks scummy

2. But scum wouldn't vote so that they look scummy - Looks like town move

3. And with that Manga can look town even though she might be a mutineer who planned that the first scummy move would be easily explained.

I don't find it too unlikely that the mutineers try and plan ahead at least 2 steps, but the problem is of course to know how many steps we must count on, which also can vary between the different mutineers. What I want to say is that we shouldn't dismiss suspicions too easily based on that the moves looks too scummy in the first step.

I think the majority of the scum probably did the "meat-shield" move early on, when Yasu-chan's moves were appearing quite clearly erratic and dangerous (to them). Showing caution on a day one lynch seems to be par for the course. I think some of the scum, thinking ahead, probably just said, "let's lynch him early," using it as a later alibi. Certainly, it's a far better alibi than voting strangely late in the day. Honestly, if I were scum, it's what I would have done. At the very least, I would have tentatively logged my vote in for Yasu-chan early, since we could unvote as we wished.

I agree that we have reason to be suspicious of those who can't be bothered to explain themselves though. In retrospect, we can think about what people have said, but when people can't be bothered to say much at all, it makes them inscrutable, and a blind spot for town.

[Bob]

Shiro just doesn't sit right with me, and I've expressed this to a few other people that I've talked to privately. His unhelpful nature just doesn't seem to bode well with me, in fact it's awfully suspicious, I think. However, I'm not entirely convinced I can chalk this up to be scummy nature, or if it's just that Shiro is conversing in private like myself.

Then again, we must remember those who didn't vote for Yasu, and instead voted for someone else.

[Peanuts]

I'm glad Yasu turned out to be a Mutineer. I suppose the Mutineers rather should not have hired her in the first way.

It's of course kinda sad for poor Lloyd, but all thing considered we now have an advantage over this honorless scum. And there were people advocating not to lynch yesterday.

Hmm, someone has some explaining to do, Isamu.

That is the exact type of post I am looking for as I will be going through the thread, it wreaks scum to me.

I see what you mean, so I'll try to explain myself:

In the beginning, after her original statement, I thought it was about as likely to be the one of a Mutineer as the one of a loyal Yakuza. The reason why I believed her to be one of us was, that I thought a Mutineer, even more an unexperienced one, would rather not try to draw attention like that. Things said the evening before we actually start searching for the Muineers always stand out, especially when they're not 100% chit-chat. The statement was clearly paranoid, and I thought, a paranoid Mutineer would rather quit talking in the first place, hence I thought she was a Yakuza following the idea of inactivity equals death equals losing the game life, as I said yesterday.

After her "defense" I wasn't convinced she was a Mutineer, but I certainly was convinced she wasn't worth being kept alive. This belief increased with every time she spoke up, up to the point when she claimed. As some others, I had in mind that we shouldn't risk losing our role cop, since we could easily investigate her the following night. That's why I was hesitant to jump on the bandwagon. Of course, then she continued "defending" herself, looking more and more scummy and moreover showing a great lack of understanding of the game the situation we are in. That's why I voted for her then.

By the way, I thought about the color of the flame. The color green showed Yasu as Mutinner, although we didn't know green meant Mutineer back then. Now we know. I wonder if we'll get the same every day, because that would give us a large advantage in information. But I guess it's moot to speculate about that, since we'll know in the evening. Just wanted to bring this up.

[swils]

Having spent the better part of the previous week out of townday and night meditating, Maniko glides back into the room. Grumbling,

"Hrmph! To think that I was put under scrutiny for being too emotive! I'm training in the artistic ways of the Geisha, for Kami-sama's sake! That's about as justifiable an excuse as if I were to turn around and say that Lizzy-san, being cold-blooded, must therefore be a cold-blooded killer! And the nerve of some amongst our family, suggesting that I had not spent ample time pondering the day's events..."

She shakes her head in disappointment

"At the risk of seeming to echo Emi-san, Lizzy's loose voting habits have piqued my curiosity. Secondly, Norio looked down upon my theatrics yesterday, but now shrugs off Lizzy's as excusable, a tree amid the forest? Combined with some level of defending Yasu yesterday, I believe this warrants some discussion."

[Masked Builder]

Argh! My grandson! My son, now you know what happens when you choose the wrong woman. I am quite happy that we managed to find a Mutineer so early, hopefully our luck shall continue. The points everyone has brought up a quite valid, but I will need to go back and try to remember what was said myself.

[Peanuts]

The points everyone has brought up a quite valid, but I will need to go back and try to remember what was said myself.

So, basically, you're saying that you agree with everything that was said today? Nothing else? And yesterday you spoke up three times, the first time saying there never was a lead on day one, the second time you did nothing but agreeing with Emi and the third time you voted.

So far you've done nothing to help the town, you've done nothing but agreeing. And now you even top this by agreeing with everything

[Masked Builder]

So, basically, you're saying that you agree with everything that was said today? Nothing else? And yesterday you spoke up three times, the first time saying there never was a lead on day one, the second time you did nothing but agreeing with Emi and the third time you voted.

So far you've done nothing to help the town, you've done nothing but agreeing. And now you even top this by agreeing with everything

No, I am saying that they've brought forward some arguments against some people and that they may have some truth but I want to try to remember what was said before I make any accusations.

[Alopex]

I'm happy that we caught a mutineer yesterday, but the death of Lloyd Jr. sorrows me for he was a loyal family member.

I'm very sorry for my lack of participation, and none-helpful remarks yesterday. The truth is I didn't really have anything to say. My first comment was stupid, a failed attempt to role-play a worried family man. The reason I hesitated before voting for Yasu was the same as several other people: I was uncertain, and afraid of voting out a precious role. However after reviewing all the facts and possibilities I decided to vote for her. I would've done it before, but I was busy at the time.

[Eskallon]

*sniff* Here you can see she's getting right down to the action, and publicly states she's making notes on everyone. Keep this in mind as we go through what she's said.

Well I better speak about this first since it is a big part of what you said. I am keeping notes on everyone, and no I haven't done the whole of that topic yet, and what I did make wasn't that useful to me. Its only today now that I know what I am looking for that I can go through some of the posts. Now that I know Yasu is scum, its 50x easier to find out how people reacted to his voting.

• She agrees. A good way to speak up enough times to look helpful.
  
• She's going to vote for someone inactive (ended up voting for Yasu), unless something serious comes up (this was after Yasu's defence)
  
• Spends half her time talking about game mechanics.
  

-I agree when I want to agree, not to look helpful or active.

-I believe that when I spoke about inactivity, it was before the petty role claim and before she disappeared.

-I spoke about it once. Oh and maybe its not useful to you, but the amount of scum is helpful to me. It helps provide myself with statistics and gives me a bigger idea of what to look for. Not everyone can rely on night actions and other people to do the work for them you know.

*sniff* Somewhat contradictory, considering she (a) previously indicate she didn't feel Yasu was a 'serious' contender, and (b) she was going to vote for someone inactive.

Like I said above, this was before the role claim and before she disappeared.

Essentially, another 'I agree'.

Actually, your wrong there, that post was immediately followed by a PM which discussed the issue and the person involved and a somewhat solution as to what we could do to investigate things.

[def]

"Secondly, Norio looked down upon my theatrics yesterday, but now shrugs off Lizzy's as excusable, a tree amid the forest? Combined with some level of defending Yasu yesterday, I believe this warrants some discussion."

Go for it

I look down on excessive theatrics as being unhelpful to us. Look down isn't even the phrase, I just consider it nothing. It's fine if you want to play, but it's not solving anything. I think the term I used, in public or private, I forget, was this: If you have the time to craft an intricate kabuki role for yourself and play it out, you have the time to follow the conversation and give your input. It depends on what you think is more important to the family, I guess

And I didn't accuse you for it either. For Lizzy, it's the same thing. I'm not impressed with it, but I don't consider it a scum tell. Seems pretty consistent to me. Don't you think?

And the truth of it is, I can role-play with the best of them. Why, I remember this one time, I was charged with infiltrating the MGM movie studios as a handsome, young, imported Japanese heart throb. Realistically, what did they know? It was a different decade, the Internet wasn't around, and how were they to know I was actually a debonair spy? Well, a movie producer was using his productions to filter money into illegal weapons imports. My job was to do a small walk-on in the film, and get the lowdown on where and when the deals were going down. Was I able to play the role effectively? You can go down to Mann's Chinese Theater to this day and see my handprints recorded for all to see, next to Milton Berle. Did my role-playing affect my ability to take this scum bag off the streets? Well, since I'm still persona non-grata at MGM Studios to this day, I guess not!

Point being, work comes before kabuki. If you'd like to discuss my contributions to the family, by all means, go for it

[Tamamono]

Oh, wow. Yasu-chan was scum! Sorry everybody! I screwed up pretty bad.

It's too bad about poor Lloyd Jr. He seemed like a pretty trustworthy fellow to me, and I think we could have worked well together. Rest In Peace, buddy.

I guess I should be happy it was just the handle though... We have been at odds all day yesterday, so having the same thing happen to both of us seems weird. Almost like a "shut up" sign. Which, of course, combined with the behaviour some people have demonstrated over these last two days, leads me to my ever-growing suspicions.

You two were the most outgoing yesterday, but I was pretty outgoing too and I didn't get a smack on the head last night. I think both of you got blocked for different reasons - you for being generally kind of anti-town (I hate to say it, but it's true! Your play style is so unorthodox! ), and Norio-sama for being pro town (and because the scum are a bunch of metagamers).

Speaking of guts, where's breakfast?

I do have a couple suspicions remaining from Yesterday, notably Lizzy, who seemed to jump on whatever latest accusation there was. (first Yasu, then Shiro, then Maniko, agreeing with three different people in all four of her posts) I'll have to check my spreadsheet notes later, when I'm not on a mobile device half awake.

I'm pretty suspicious of Lizzy, myself. Not only did she go along with the crowd, but she completely avoided saying anything useful at all.

I am thinking Ichiro-kun is probably safe. As poorly thinking as Yasu-chan was, I doubt she would name a person in public who was on her team to vouch for her. I could be wrong, but I know I'm Yakuza, and I'll assume Ichiro-kun is Yakuza using this train of thought

Thank you, Norio-sama. Yes, once again, I'm very sorry for my completely idiotic defense of Yasu-chan yesterday. I'm a real sucker when it comes to role claims (now watch as all the scum come to me claiming gunsmith and alarmist and I believe them all ). She even said, "I am a rolecop. You know this role. It is a pro town role." The fact that she had to explain it to me just reeked of scum, and I completely ignored it.

Although I hardly think I should be addressed as 'kun'. I will be inheriting the company, after all, Norio-sama.

The other person to vote for someone other than Yasu was Manga, who chose to accuse Akio rather than following the bandwagon:

Neither of these accusations were based on anything other than vague suspicion. They would seem to be scum moves except: (a) there was no realistic chance of overturning the bandwagon; and (b) they would know that their votes would stick out like sore thumbs - especially if they were scum, and knew that Yasu was a mutineer.

Of the two, I would expect Manga to know better than to do this (unless it is an elaborate double-bluff, but I can't see what the gain is ).

You know, to be honest, I actually think Akio is scum. Manga really did make a great point yesterday, and I hope Akio has a good explanation for his behavior yesterday. If Manga was scum, there's no way she would do something like that.

I've been looking back over Day 1 (to see how people responded when Emi-chan brought forward Yasu-chan's slipup), and I've found a couple of suspicious things.

Firstly, the statement by Hanako stood out to me:

I agree it seems like he's trying to avoid detection, but seeing as it happened outside the thread this building, isn't it technically null-and-void?

'Null-and-void', huh? Sure you aren't just trying to subtly defend your scummy teammate, Hanako?

Secondly, these statements by Shizuko also stand out to me:

Emi's made a valid, but vague note, and we have the usual Damn Those Scum statements going on.

Now why would she call a plain slipup like that 'vague'? Even I was completely sure of Yasu-chan's guilt before she claimed to me. Trying to subtly plant seeds of doubt in our minds, Shizuko?

And when Emi-chan asked her about it, she responded with this:

The note you were pointing out isn't concrete is all. Then again, nothing is Day One.

No shit it wasn't concrete, but Yasu-chan's case was basically giftwrapped with a little bow after a slipup like that. Why try to make it look like it isn't a very good lead? Maybe because she's your teammate, darling?

[Brickdoctor]

I wouldn't abandon the double-bluff option too quickly even though it might look too complicated at first. As you say, voting for someone else when we already had Yasu as good as dead seems like a weird choice for the scum as that would bring attention to them. But, when confronted with this they could just claim that if they were scum it would have been a stupid move and therefore they should be town. I wouldn't be surprised if the mutineers try to think one step further, e.g:

1. Manga votes for someone else then Yasu - Looks scummy

2. But scum wouldn't vote so that they look scummy - Looks like town move

3. And with that Manga can look town even though she might be a mutineer who planned that the first scummy move would be easily explained.

Please, we can go on for ages without accomplishing anything with that kind of circular logic. (it's also the Wine in Front of Me Scum Tell)

Then again, we must remember those who didn't vote for Yasu, and instead voted for someone else.

It was a bandwagon, so there weren't many, but there was Lizzy...

Secondly, these statements by Shizuko also stand out to me:

Now why would she call a plain slipup like that 'vague'? Even I was completely sure of Yasu-chan's guilt before she claimed to me. Trying to subtly plant seeds of doubt in our minds, Shizuko?

And when Emi-chan asked her about it, she responded with this:

No shit it wasn't concrete, but Yasu-chan's case was basically giftwrapped with a little bow after a slipup like that. Why try to make it look like it isn't a very good lead? Maybe because she's your teammate, darling?

That did seem rather strange, though I didn't think much of it at the moment. Bigger fish to fry and all that. Looking back, she does seem to try to convince us that it's not a reason for lynching, saying there's nothing concrete on Day 1. (which is incorrect; concrete evidence is just very rare on Day 1)

[fhomess]

Those scummy mutineers! Taking out Lloyd Jr was a low blow. I am quite pleased to see that Yasu was indeed a mutineer, though.

Ichirou beat me to it, but I was very much thinking that the subtle attempts to cast doubt into Emi's accusation, even before Yasu had a chance to speak up and defend herself, would be the most likely scum buddies. I would not be surprised at all if one of them was in there. I also think the fact that Ichirou was called out by Yasu almost certainly clears Ichirou of being one of Yasu's fellow mutineers. I suppose we could verify Ichirou, but that seems like a fairly safe bet.

I also notice that Maniko hasn't really changed anything in her approach today.

[CMP]

Poor Llyod. At least we got Yasu. I never thought I'd be so happy to see so much green dragon snot.

Now why would she call a plain slipup like that 'vague'? Even I was completely sure of Yasu-chan's guilt before she claimed to me. Trying to subtly plant seeds of doubt in our minds, Shizuko?

And when Emi-chan asked her about it, she responded with this:

No shit it wasn't concrete, but Yasu-chan's case was basically giftwrapped with a little bow after a slipup like that. Why try to make it look like it isn't a very good lead? Maybe because she's your teammate, darling?

Emi already brought it up that I used vague incorrectly. And I was honestly still skeptical about Yasu's slip. And don't say her case was 'wrapped with a bow' at that point, I think you of all people should know that's not true.

As for the rest of your post, I'll be honest. You completely admit you screwed up with Yasu. That's maybe understandable, but I still see it as a risky scum move to go all defensive of somebody day one, something that really surprised me day one.

And in this same post, you've managed to a - suspect Lizzy, agreeing with Emi, a near-confirmed townie who you tried to vote out yesterday; b - suspect Hanako for trying to defend 'his scummy buddy' (the irony speaks for itself), and c - suspect me for suspecting a scum...?

I didn't say it wasn't a reason for lynching. I was the third person to vote for her even after that ridiculous claim. We were not 100% about her, but we needed to reach a conviction, and I might be mistaken in if I mentioned it or not, but I had the idea that she was the biggest suspect.

That did seem rather strange, though I didn't think much of it at the moment. Bigger fish to fry and all that. Looking back, she does seem to try to convince us that it's not a reason for lynching, saying there's nothing concrete on Day 1. (which is incorrect; concrete evidence is just very rare on Day 1)

See, that's Emi, who I can gladly accept suspicion from. You, Ichirou, are recovering from a major screw-up, either as town or scum, and flinging your suspicion at no less than three people probably isn't the best way to get back on the proper Yakuza track.

[Tamamono]

Emi already brought it up that I used vague incorrectly. And I was honestly still skeptical about Yasu's slip. And don't say her case was 'wrapped with a bow' at that point, I think you of all people should know that's not true.

Okay, I suppose I did exaggerate a bit there.

I didn't say it wasn't a reason for lynching. I was the third person to vote for her even after that ridiculous claim.

I'm sure we both know that it isn't unheard of for the scum to vote for their own.

See, that's Emi, who I can gladly accept suspicion from. You, Ichirou, are recovering from a major screw-up, either as town or scum, and flinging your suspicion at no less than three people probably isn't the best way to get back on the proper Yakuza track.

I'm just pointing things out, not 'flinging suspicion'. I went over Day 1, and I looked at the reactions of people when Emi-chan first brought up Yasu-chan for a lynch. Yours and Hanako-san's were the most suspicious. Things are never going to get done for our family if people aren't willing to point things out. You should take my suspicions with a grain of salt right now.

[Brickdoctor]

Emi already brought it up that I used vague incorrectly. And I was honestly still skeptical about Yasu's slip. And don't say her case was 'wrapped with a bow' at that point, I think you of all people should know that's not true.

To be nitpicky, the word 'vague' was fine. It means, "Of uncertain, indefinite, or unclear character or meaning: 'patients with vague symptoms'." The problem was that you used the word to describe the note itself, which meant that you thought that Yasu's statement was vague. (and that doesn't make sense, since for the most part that statement was composed of facts - she told us that she would be asleep and told us what she wanted us not to do) You should have said, "Emi brought up a statement that's vaguely suspicious," or something like that.

I'm done correcting your modifiers, now. Bad me, making a mostly irrelevant statement that's distracting.

The use of the word 'vague' correct or incorrect, doesn't change the fact that you still seemed to try to convince us that it was a good reason for a lynch. But I do have to agree with you in that no one was really that suspicious of Yasu at the time. What really sealed her fate was her 'defense', to come later. What does worry me is your statement that nothing on Day 1 is concrete. That's incorrect. Concrete evidence is just rare on Day 1. That statement seems to me like you might have been trying to make us doubt any lynch made Yesterday, and the Scum profit the most from doubt.

[The Legonater]

Oh Okasan Yasu, why? Why did you have to put the name of our famiry to shame with how you acted in this famiry gathering. It pains me to see that my own mother is being unanimousry suspected as a traitor of our proud Yakuza famiry. Even more painfur is I have to put my vote on you too, seeing as Otosan Minoru has done the same thing. I'd hate to see you go Okasan, but hopefurry this wirr urtimatery be for the good of our famiry.

Vote: Yasu (TheBoyWonder)

I hate to revive information from the dearly departed, but this statement has piqued my interest, and it has gone notable unnoticed. Perhaps I am missing something obvious, but why did young Loyd Jr need to base his vote on Minoru?

[Etzel]

Please, we can go on for ages without accomplishing anything with that kind of circular logic. (it's also the Wine in Front of Me Scum Tell)

Yeah, the problem is to know when to stop of course. I guess you need a pretty good knowledge about the person before being able to make something out of that, and even if Manga is my cousin I can't say I know her well enough to predict her actions here. (Don't understand why it would be a scum tell though, I thought it made sense. )

And I do believe we have stronger candidates for today's voting in Lizzie, Maniko, Shiro and Tamiko. All of them acted strangely yesterday with very short statements and not much reasoning behind them. I understand that it can be hard to explain your thoughts behind every sentence but considering the current situation it I think it's best to do as good as you can.

Look at what Tamiko said yesterday, for example:

Do you think the silent people are inactive or lurking?

And why is my husband, Daisuke obsessed with Elvis ???

I'm on the idea of an investigator in this family.

But how about a investigator that can detect roles.

Vote: Yasu (TheBoyWonder)

Oh well.

I'm probably going to get lynched by others for being unhelpful.

When is Yasu-chan going to vote ???

Not much of a talker it seems, I would've suspected otherwise from a journalist.

The next to last quote is also triggering my sensors. "I'm probably going to get lynched by others for being unhelpful."

Yes, if you just give up like that it is a big possibility that we will take you on your words.

[CMP]

Okay, I suppose I did exaggerate a bit there.

I'm sure we both know that it isn't unheard of for the scum to vote for their own.

I'm just pointing things out, not 'flinging suspicion'. I went over Day 1, and I looked at the reactions of people when Emi-chan first brought up Yasu-chan for a lynch. Yours and Hanako-san's were the most suspicious. Things are never going to get done for our family if people aren't willing to point things out. You should take my suspicions with a grain of salt right now.

Understandable.

Oh, I'm not trying to use the simple fact that I voted her to defend myself with. I was just one of the earliest voters. I feel like I put my life on line (unknowingly ) voting for her, given Norio's reaction.

Perhaps flinging also wasn't the best word. Again, I disagree with my reaction the most suspicious. Forgive me for getting meta paranoid, but the way I see it, an early, hard defense of Yasu was either one of two things. A ballsy attempt to look townie with botched results, or a risky scum move trying to do to the same while saving a teammate. And like I'm being accused by both you and Emi about, suspicions always have to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm just not sure (besides me) that any of your suspects are scum or not.

To be nitpicky, the word 'vague' was fine. It means, "Of uncertain, indefinite, or unclear character or meaning: 'patients with vague symptoms'." The problem was that you used the word to describe the note itself, which meant that you thought that Yasu's statement was vague. (and that doesn't make sense, since for the most part that statement was composed of facts - she told us that she would be asleep and told us what she wanted us not to do) You should have said, "Emi brought up a statement that's vaguely suspicious," or something like that.

I'm done correcting your modifiers, now. Bad me, making a mostly irrelevant statement that's distracting.

The use of the word 'vague' correct or incorrect, doesn't change the fact that you still seemed to try to convince us that it was a good reason for a lynch. But I do have to agree with you in that no one was really that suspicious of Yasu at the time. What really sealed her fate was her 'defense', to come later. What does worry me is your statement that nothing on Day 1 is concrete. That's incorrect. Concrete evidence is just rare on Day 1. That statement seems to me like you might have been trying to make us doubt any lynch made Yesterday, and the Scum profit the most from doubt.

And Norio's the one writing in Japanese...?

If I was trying to get you all doubt any lynches Day One, wouldn't I bring up the fantastic idea of not voting? No, lynches on Day One are seemingly completely inevitable from my experience. I was just pointing out that's never a perfect bet somebody's scum Day One. I should probably stop doing that, it's pretty obvious... (Of course, you're right, on very rare occasions it is a sound assumption somebody's scum. Yasu's actions on day one didn't do that, it just put her directly on the line between town/scum and lying/not.)