Yakuza Family - Day 2

[MetroiD]

Can you help me understand what you were trying to achieve with your 'blocker story'?

Can you help us all understand what you've been trying to achieve with your endless stories throughout the day, Ichirou!?

For quite some time now I've stood back in order to listen to what you have to say, Ichirou. But what you had to say wasn't really all that much, now was it. You've been weaving some elaborate schemes as a response to everything, yet I fail to understand what's in the base of it - how could you have so much information on which to base your stories regarding blockers and blockees, circle of townies you trust, etc.? That is what led me to sharing that idea regarding the Masons in the first place; that, however, was apparently a dead end, so I'm probably mistaken there. In any case, I have not tried to lead the fellow Family members to any assumptions, unlike you. You're trying to win us all on your side, and your behaviour has been rather weird, considering how you're so eager to let us all know you're the "Towniest of Town" when, in reality, the concept here is very simple: We Townies trust no one. And would expect no less of other Townies.

Also, we Townies do our talking in here, in public, because that is the only way things we say can be verified and we can be held accountable for those. If you're working double time behind the scenes, that only increases my suspicions since let's be honest - there's 30 of us remaining in this Temple, but I don't believe that a whole lot of them would just come running to you or any other Family members who's claimed that to be the case, spilling information and looking for their mighty leader. Especially when you've been anything but helpful throughout Day One...

Now that, same as the entire exchange that has led up to it, was utterly useless. Trying to reveal your role and everything in the Day thread? Well you might as well just paste your Family member biography for all of us to enjoy... Role-claiming in public, let's see, was that a smart move on Day one? Did it actually help explain anything? So you want to be lynched; congratulations, we're all so happy for you. You aren't helping us root out the Mutineers though, you know?

[Tachyon]

I'm a jester remember.

[MetroiD]

I'm a jester remember.

Weren't you a journalist...?

Seriously, I'm expecting our Granfather to intervene here; I'm not sure you're supposed to be waving your jester role around in front of all of us.

[Alopex]

I'm a jester remember.

Ha Ha Ha. But are you allowed to reveal that?

[Rick]

I'm a jester remember.

... who, if that is true, is not going to win and will be around till the very end making silly remarks while we try to root out the mutineers. Oh the joy.

[Tachyon]

... who, if that is true, is not going to win and will be around till the very end making silly remarks while we try to root out the mutineers. Oh the joy.

Thank You.

[Scubacarrot]

To me it seems like it could be one of two things, either Tamiko is really a jester, and now messed up greatly, revealing her role, making her presence in this ordeal pointless from here on out. Or: Tamiko is scum, Jester is a pretty safe role to claim, since it would mean the town will not be bothered to lynch that person. In any case, verification is in order, from my viewpoint. Either way, her behaviour has been FAR from helpful, and I would rather see her gone, but lynching her is not helping .

About Ichirou, he has asked me to join his 'circle' of trusted Yakuza, and claimed he already has a group PM conversation going, offering me a spot in that conversation after he verified me. This seems odd to me, him claiming to have a group conversation going would mean he has at least two other people with him that he trusts, somehow, I doubt this. I am also beginning to think his "Roadrunner the Blocker" story is made-up, why would someone role-claim to him?? Especially considering his involvement in Yasu's 'defense' yesterday.

And sure enough, a bit later, he asks for my role, and starts flinging out accusations to certain people (which he has not mentioned in the thread, I must add.). This seems more than suspicious to me, add that with the inconsistencies in his story, and the statements he made that could be interpreted as a scum realizing his set-up is not working...

I don't know if any defense from him could make me change my mind, but I seriously doubt it. I know where my vote is going.

[badboytje88]

You may start your votes as of now.

[Eskallon]

I know so I'll just help town cause you know my role.

Your really complicated, I hope the vigilant is able to kill you tonight, since thats the only way to confirm your not lying. Now for the interesting part of my post. I have chosen to vote for Ichiou, heres my reasoning summarised:

-Has already apparently made contact with "several" townies, the way in which he did this is unknown.

-Lied about her role and then when prompted to tell the truth talks about what happened last night.

-Claiming Rufus was targeting her last night and "cherrinated" him.

-Didn't comply when I asked how he planned on investigating the person, ignored that pm and carried on.

-Is claiming the reason for the bad/confusing behaviour is due to her adjusting to life as an innocent as opposed to IMHOTEP.

-I was watching her for an hour and a half yesterday and she was mostly online but did disappear once or twice and went for 30 mins and then came back to give me some story about how Rufus attacked/did something to him last night.

While we're here, mind if I pressure you to tell me your role?

You can try and defend yourself Ichirou in here or in private but what you have told me is not helpful, inconsistent and doesn't make sense. I advice you all to vote with me and then we'll see what Ichirou says when she finds her plan of collecting roles and information for her fellow scum friends has failed.

Vote:Ichirou (Tamamono)

Id like to hear from anyone else who has spoken to him too, especially if they were asked to claim from him like you see I was above.

[iamded]

Oooh. Whoa. I apologise for over-sleeping, this whole ordeal has been exhausting. I tried listening to what had been said earlier, but I was in no condition to take any of it in, and only now have I caught up on it all. It's left me awfully confused though. What on Earth are you up to, Okaa-san?! Mother's antics are baffling. I'm making sense of it, but it's not explaining anything. She can't be a 'Jester', as great-great-grandfather Lloyd-sama would have mentioned something about it, surely. So then, why make the claim if you're not a Jester? If you're trying to use it to not get lynched as a form of defence, then claiming out-right that you are the Jester nullifies that, so it just... I'm not understanding the reasoning behind it.

[Rumble Strike]

Wow, lots of stuff said whilst I was resting. To me, it looks as though Ichirou is desperately trying to cover their tracks after Yasu was revealed as a mutineer. By trying to appear as proactive as possible, with an unlikely 'inner circle' of info already on Day Two, it's all a bit unconvincing and I am clearly not the only one of us seeing holes in the processes. Guilty by association, guilty by what has been said today.

Therefore I will

Vote: Ichirou (Tamanono)

[Tachyon]

Vote: Ichirou (Tamanono)

Even more scummy then me.

[Eskallon]

She can't be a 'Jester', as great-great-grandfather Lloyd-sama would have mentioned something about it,

Often a Jester would not be revealed at the beginning of the day, but the one carrying the role would be forbidden to outright say they were the jester. However there is always the possibility she is telling the truth in which case shes an idiot and will be killed at night or investigated.

Chieko, Im guessing he slowly asked for your role and then asked you to join his group, while giving no information away about himself. Did he claim vanilla like he did with me?

[Scubacarrot]

For the reasons I layed out above me, I vote:

Vote: Ichirou (Tamamono)

And no, he did not claim to me, and he asked for my role pretty bluntly, I was surprised he would make a move like that.

[Tachyon]

Often a Jester would not be revealed at the beginning of the day, but the one carrying the role would be forbidden to outright say they were the jester. However there is always the possibility she is telling the truth in which case shes an idiot and will be killed at night or investigated.

Chieko, Im guessing he slowly asked for your role and then asked you to join his group, while giving no information away about himself. Did he claim vanilla like he did with me?

Ichirou said he was trying to find as many useful and trustworthy townies as possible.

That sounded so scummy to me.

[MetroiD]

-Didn't comply when I asked how he planned on investigating the person, ignored that pm and carried on.

-Is claiming the reason for the bad/confusing behaviour is due to her *sic* adjusting to life as an innocent as opposed to IMHOTEP.

-I was watching her *sic* for an hour and a half yesterday and she *sic* was mostly online but did disappear once or twice and went for 30 mins and then came back to give me some story about how Rufus attacked/did something to him last night.

Point for point, those include my worries exactly. That is even more the case considering how Ichirou seems hellbent on metagaming non-stop and trying to point every one among our Family to some previous book he's read or written. I'm sorry if I don't find that even slightly persuasive, let alone all that talk about "having to adjust" to his newly-found-and-loudly-proclaimed Townie role.

The main issue that I have with Ichirou is that, when called out for the inconsistency of his stories or sheer lack of proof thereof, he never seems to adress the issue directly. Instead, he creates more and more confusion - sowing seeds of doubt, and then retracting his statements and vowing to carry on "in private". But of course, that only happens after he's checked out what's being discussed in here, disappeared for quite some time, and then returned to feed us another elaborately detailed story.

I am, however, not ready to vote against my first-born this early on. I think the way he defends his actions, now that he actually understands that none of us trust him as being "the Towniest of Town", will be of utmost significance from this point on. I also find it suspicious that there have been other outspoken self-proclaimed Townies who have not even considered speaking out against Ichirou or suspecting him, even though he's been acting weird for two days in a row now.

What's most important, I urge those of you who've been in contact with Ichirou, presumaly feeding him all this information he's basing his stories on, to come forward and at least let us know why you trust him. I'm not asking anyone to reveal their roles, the results of their observations or actions or anything, nor would I even consider "harassing" someone into doing so. But I do believe that having people substantiate Ichirou's stories about the circle of loyal townies is really the only thing that could actually aid his cause right now.

[Fred Daniel Yam]

Well, I'm goin' against the tide and putting my vote on my dear neice? Lizzy. She has only been agreein' with her mother or someone else. Now Ichirou may seem scummy, but Lizzy seems very confused and inexperienced to me. A townie like that is liability to us all.

Vote: Lizzy (Capt. Redblade)

[Eskallon]

Well, I'm goin' against the tide and putting my vote on my dear neice? Lizzy. She has only been agreein' with her mother or someone else. Now Ichirou may seem scummy, but Lizzy seems very confused and inexperienced to me. A townie like that is liability to us all.

Vote: Lizzy (Capt. Redblade)

What you just said makes no sense, Ichirou is scummy but lizzy is confusing/inexperienced. Then you mention that you think she's a townie.

Whats the point in that, you just admitted to wanting to remove a townie rather than someone you think is scummy?

[Professor Flitwick]

*sniff* I don't like how quickly people have flocked to him with information. But at the same time, if people come out in public and vouch for him, won't that send a message to the Mutineers as to whom has night actions? Providing, of course, that Ichirou isn't scum.

Often a Jester would not be revealed at the beginning of the day, but the one carrying the role would be forbidden to outright say they were the jester. However there is always the possibility she is telling the truth in which case shes an idiot and will be killed at night or investigated.

*sniff* But surely Grandfather Lloyd would've mentioned a third party in the rules.

[MetroiD]

...if people come out in public and vouch for him, won't that send a message to the Mutineers as to whom has night actions?

Fair point, but no one's asking people to "vouch for him", as in - guarantee that he's a Templie or a Mutinner. I just hope Family members could share with us their observations on his loyalty and why they presumed it's there to begin with.

[Bob]

What's most important, I urge those of you who've been in contact with Ichirou, presumaly feeding him all this information he's basing his stories on, to come forward and at least let us know why you trust him. I'm not asking anyone to reveal their roles, the results of their observations or actions or anything, nor would I even consider "harassing" someone into doing so. But I do believe that having people substantiate Ichirou's stories about the circle of loyal townies is really the only thing that could actually aid his cause right now.

I have been privately conversing with Ichirou since midway through Day One, mostly because I figured he was a rational thinker. I haven't really been feeding information to him, I've simply been chatting with him about potential suspicions and other topics of the like. While I was talking to him, he gave me the impression that he was going to be the "ringleader" for the town and unite them as others have done in past life games. He also said he knew a few other roles.

I'm not sure about who I'm going to vote for yet.

Thank You.

Id like to hear from anyone else who has spoken to him too, especially if they were asked to claim from him like you see I was above.

After talking with him for sometime, he revealed to me that he was building an inner-townie circle and he asked me if I had a night action.

With all that being said, I'm not defending or opposing Ichirou at this point, I'm just stating my observations at the present moment.

[Etzel]

I'm surprised that Tamiko is about to get away with a role claim just as Yasu tried yesterday. I really don't believe that she would be a Jester, there is no reason for her to reveal that role as she did. She was already one of the suspects and had a good chance of getting lynched so why would she claim that role as she did if she really is the Jester? The only reason I can see is that she is trying desperately to avoid votes with this, which will give her another day for her and her scum comrades to work their evil.

But Ichiro is also looking very suspicious with all this secret talk he has done behind our backs. I don't trust that was made entirely with Town's best in mind and I wouldn't be surprised if both Tamiko and Ichiro is Mutineers. But since we can only lynch one today I guess I should vote for the one I feel is more dangerous (and hope that a vigilante takes care of the other tonight), and that would be Ichiro who seems to have done a lot of manipulation behind the scenes. Tamiko looks very scummy to me but at least she hasn't tried to steer the suspicions and manipulate other players to do her bidding (not that I've heard of at least, I don't know if she has tried that in private).

I Vote: Ichiro (Tamamono)

[Bob]

By the way, for a Jester, you aren't that funny or humorous.

[Eskallon]

*sniff* But surely Grandfather Lloyd would've mentioned a third party in the rules.

A town member can still be the Jester, they just wouldn't win when the rest of the town win. Having said that Tamiko admits to being neutral which like you said makes no sense and it would have been mentioned. I think its time for you to start talking Tamiko.

After talking with him for sometime, he revealed to me that he was building an inner-townie circle and he asked me if I had a night action.

With all that being said, I'm not defending or opposing Ichirou at this point, I'm just stating my observations at the present moment.

If you want my view, it looks like he has been waiting and pounced to ask the question when the time was right. What Ichirou doesnt realise is that people trusted Hinck and others after they had done something that proved themselves, Ichirou has only spouted lies and confusion and when asked what he is doing he ignores it and makes some stories up.

I'm surprised that Tamiko is about to get away with a role claim just as Yasu tried yesterday. I really don't believe that she would be a Jester, there is no reason for her to reveal that role as she did. She was already one of the suspects and had a good chance of getting lynched so why would she claim that role as she did if she really is the Jester? The only reason I can see is that she is trying desperately to avoid votes with this, which will give her another day for her and her scum comrades to work their evil.

Hmm, Im not sure here, the Jester role is considered a "Bastard" role and its always confusing, more so due to the fact that most hosts tend to leave it out or have strict rules attached to it. The fact is though, for her to come out openly as a Jester is a little stupid and will now almost certainly warrent a death/investigation. My only concern is that she might be scum leader and be immune to either night kills or investigations.

But Ichiro is also looking very suspicious with all this secret talk he has done behind our backs. I don't trust that was made entirely with Town's best in mind and I wouldn't be surprised if both Tamiko and Ichiro is Mutineers. But since we can only lynch one today I guess I should vote for the one I feel is more dangerous (and hope that a vigilante takes care of the other tonight), and that would be Ichiro who seems to have done a lot of manipulation behind the scenes. Tamiko looks very scummy to me but at least she hasn't tried to steer the suspicions and manipulate other players to do her bidding (not that I've heard of at least, I don't know if she has tried that in private).

I Vote: Ichiro (Tamamono)

Indeed, what I dont like most is how Ichirou is trying to gather night actions and yet when quizzed about it, ignores the questions and makes up some other pompous story.

[def]

I'm not fully convinced at the case against Ichiro-San.

Early on, I gave him the benefit of the doubt since Yasu-chan had decided to name us both in public. I have been speaking with him, and he certainly has tried to fish me for roles that he could. But that wasn't exactly suspicious. I could quite easily see Ichiro-San trying to impersonate his former mentor, hinckley-chan, and try to do some townie hero routine, as a follow-up to his last life.

Going against him are a few things. The first was that I don't trust the way he adopted my phrase, "anti-town" and somewhat misused it. It seems an attempt to ingratiate himself. Also, I know he won't be sharing any of the names of the town specials he's apparently rounded up. With him on the lynch, if he's a responsible townie, he'll make sure they're organized. But I don't believe the blocker claim he made, that that old, nattering sack of bones, Nobuo, was blocked by scum. I have personally received contrary information. The last thing that worries me is that, of the people I feel I've built some trust with, many of them are concerned with Ichiro's behavior. I am not confident about anyone's guilt today, so Ichiro is as fair a choice as anyone.

Vote: Ichiro (Tamamono)