Brickdoctor Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I am the Renegade Yakuza RoleBlocker, I function as a normal RoleBlocker does except I can choose my alignment. I blocked Norio on Night 1 and I am not scum. What? I'm not sure if that even makes sense. It's very hard for god to balance situations like this, and I can't imagine that the situation becomes any fairer or that balance becomes any easier if a person gets to choose his alignment.
CMP Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I am the Renegade Yakuza RoleBlocker, I function as a normal RoleBlocker does except I can choose my alignment. I blocked Norio on Night 1 and I am not scum. For future reference, claim Bulletproof Jester. You might have more success.
fhomess Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Wow. That was a really bad night for us. Losing 3 devoted Yakuza for a variety of reasons isn't something we can afford to have happen. Not only that, but we lost a tracker AND a blocker. With the large number of us, I wouldn't be too surprised if there were different types of blockers on the same team, but two blockers with the same MO of a katana seems pretty unlikely. Day 1 Votes: Yasu - TheBoyWonder (29): Brickdoctor, Yasuko, Shizuko, Zakura, Jimbutcher, Nightshroud99, VolcanicPanic, Bob, Def, Whitefang, MetroiD, Swils, Iamded, Rufus, Cecilie, Peanuts, Etzel, Rumble Strike, Masked Builder, Alopex, Tamamono, Professor Flitwick, Rick, Eskallon, Fhomess, The Legonator, Scorpiox, Scubacarrot, KielDaManAkio - Rumble Strike (1): CorneliusMurdock Maniko - Swils (1): Capt.Redblade Minoru voted fairly early for Yasu. Not so early as to aid a bandwagon if it could still be avoided, but early enough that it didn't appear as though he was trying his best to avoid that vote. As Shizuko has already pointed out, his lack of interest in lynching Yasu didn't develop until it was pretty clear that Yasu was not going to survive the day. Minoru's comment to Yasu about the scum putting "one of 'em fancy blockers on you" strikes me as rather ironic coming from a blocker. It's like in the movies where the bad guys joke with each other about what they're going to do to each other, only to do it to the good guy. Well, I'm goin' against the tide and putting my vote on my dear neice? Lizzy. She has only been agreein' with her mother or someone else. Now Ichirou may seem scummy, but Lizzy seems very confused and inexperienced to me. A townie like that is liability to us all.Vote: Lizzy (Capt. Redblade) Here, he votes for a someone who seems less scummy, just unhelpful. Despite the fact that many of us were wrong on Inchirou, this seems far less helpful. I am the Renegade Yakuza RoleBlocker, I function as a normal RoleBlocker does except I can choose my alignment. I blocked Norio on Night 1 and I am not scum. You know, Renegade is defined as a deserter by Mirriam-Webster, among other things. Not a good choice.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 You know, Renegade is defined as a deserter by Mirriam-Webster, among other things. Not a good choice. It also states one who rejects lawful or conventional behaviour. Seriously, I roleclaimed to a news reporter (Zakura) and she blabs everything to Norio. And by choose alignment, I meant choose to ally with a side. I don't want to kill all you loyalists, HECK, I can't even kill anyone!
Peanuts Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I'm saying that "three blockers" is the only way I could imagine Minoru not being scum... But no, I'm not proposing that. In fact, I revealed Minoru's identity before I had any second thoughts, or got convinced otherwise. Minoru is the way to go today. I got that you didn't think there were three blockers, but I don't get how the existence of a third blocker would save Minoru. I realize I have next to no idea what's happening behind the scenes, so I don't know if Minoru's claim is consistent with your conversation. I don't have much time anyway, so I'll leave that to you, while I try to make sence out of this situation. You know, Renegade is defined as a deserter by Mirriam-Webster, among other things. Not a good choice. For future references, you might not want to consult Webster, but another book called MafiaWiki instead in these situations. Though you might have problems doing so right now.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I blocked Chieko last night and there wasn't a scum kill, isn't there a possibility WBD could be our Ninja in black? What I meant to say was, isn't there a possibility that she could be our Ninja in black?
Capt. Redblade Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 That statement was actually mostly directed at Lizzy. She apparently thinks that the kill was the work of an SK or overzealous vig, when, as Norio has already stated, it was a planned vig kill. Huh. I must have missed that comment amongst all the shouting matches.
CMP Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I blocked Chieko last night and there wasn't a scum kill, isn't there a possibility WBD could be our Ninja in black? What I meant to say was, isn't there a possibility that she could be our Ninja in black? Yeah. But right now, the evidence is piled on you. This renegade business I don't find believable in the slightest, as you worded it really poorly, likely not understanding the role you're claiming at all. Sounds scummy in my mind.
Rick Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 My honest theory, as of this moment, is that we can't say with certainty that Minoru can only be scum, as people have suggested. That's not a theory. No one is saying that they know for sure. It's just the most likely explanation, unless you have evidence that suggests the opposite of course. And you should know there is only one way to find out for sure whether she's a mutineer or not. What I meant to say was, isn't there a possibility that she could be our Ninja in black? Yes, that's possible and we discussed that possibility immediately after the sun rose. This is certainly something that warrants further investigation. I'm just afraid the case against you is much more solid.
Brickdoctor Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Minoru voted fairly early for Yasu. Not so early as to aid a bandwagon if it could still be avoided, but early enough that it didn't appear as though he was trying his best to avoid that vote. Actually, if that list is in order, Minoru is at the seventh spot - right in the middle where Scum like to be. Not early, because they don't want to draw attention by accusing people, and not late, because everyone suspects late voters. And by choose alignment, I meant choose to ally with a side. I don't want to kill all you loyalists, HECK, I can't even kill anyone! Well, obviously. What else could you possibly mean by 'choose alignment'? My point stands: if a person can choose his side, it becomes much harder to balance the sides and much easier for the situation to be unfair to one side. And we know you can't kill anyone. (or at least claim not to) You claimed Blocker, remember? If you're Scum, you don't need a killing action to kill. You have Scummy teammates for that.By the way, perhaps I'm reading too much into what could be a case of poor grammar, but what do you mean by, "I don't want to kill all you loyalists"? That sentence implies that you are not a part of the group of loyalists. (by which I assume you mean Townies) If you were a Townie, you would've said, "I don't want to kill all you other loyalists" or "I don't want to kill all you fellow loyalists".
Eskallon Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 That was a shit morning, I will put my hands up and say I made a mistake starting the lynch on Ichirou. I am the Renegade Yakuza RoleBlocker, I function as a normal RoleBlocker does except I can choose my alignment. I blocked Norio on Night 1 and I am not scum. I wont go on about it since, everyone else already has. But this makes no sense and sounds about as stupid as Zakura's roleclaim. Seriously, I roleclaimed to a news reporter (Zakura) and she blabs everything to Norio. And by choose alignment, I meant choose to ally with a side. I don't want to kill all you loyalists, HECK, I can't even kill anyone! More the reason for us to not trust you, out of all people to claim to, Zakura? At the moment you are our best bet, but since I have nothing more to contribute I'll just listen to you all for a bit. I don't want a repeat of yesterday.
def Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I blocked Norio on Night 1 and I am not scum. If you're lying about one things, you're probably lying about the other: <From the secret letters of Ichiro to myself> I'm pretty sure our blockers are not the same guy, because the one I've talked with has made it sound like he's not talked to you yet. Did your blocker claim to you for no reason and then say he was trying to 'inspire trust'? If so, then we have the same guy. If not, then he's different. Plus, mine claims to have blocked you. So, do we trust the "renegade"? Or two we trust the word of two noble, dead townies who bravely sacrificed themselves for the foolishness of town? Will the valiant sacrifice of Ichiro and Tadao go in vain? Yada! I say, yada!
Scubacarrot Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Minoru, I find it hard to find a good reason why you would claim to Tamiko, as our private conversation makes me believe you distrusted her from early on, and I doubt her more recent activity has made you trust her more... Can you please enlighten us on this subject?
def Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 They are friends in "the other world," so I assume that was the main reason for it. I just wish I hadn't been involved in any of it... Except this lynching
Fred Daniel Yam Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Indeed Tamiko and I were classmates in another life and I only "roleclaimed" was because he caught me going on EB at school she eavesdropped on me. And I made a mistake, I didn't block Norio, it was Nobuo.
Scubacarrot Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 That last thing seems like a very convenient mistake.
Professor Flitwick Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Indeed Tamiko and I were classmates in another life and I only "roleclaimed" was because he caught me going on EB at school she eavesdropped on me. And I made a mistake, I didn't block Norio, it was Nobuo. *sniff* How can you forget who you targeted? Sure, the names are similar, but there's a list of names on the first page at the start of the day, and Grandfather Lloyd would of told you in your pm at the start of the day who you targeted. I'm not sure how you can confuse names when there's several ways to check.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 *sniff* How can you forget who you targeted? Sure, the names are similar, but there's a list of names on the first page at the start of the day, and Grandfather Lloyd would of told you in your pm at the start of the day who you targeted. I'm not sure how you can confuse names when there's several ways to check. Thats because I said that when I was on my phone disorientated.
Scubacarrot Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 That last thing seems like a very convenient mistake. Actually, I am not sure how that would be convenient, anyway, it is a mistake that should not have happened
MetroiD Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I blocked Norio on Night 1 and I am not scum. And I made a mistake, I didn't block Norio, it was Nobuo. That sounds messy, at best. But yes, you got it right on the second attempt. You say you targeted Chieko last night, is there any reason why that might have been the case? Because I have every reason to believe you're trying to misguide us there once again -- with Tadao actually having blocked my wife before dying an honorable death last night.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Actually no, I am not misguiding you, I actually did block Chieko last night. And there is always the chance of 3 blockers, Yakuza, Neutral and Mutineer and I fit into the neutral slot. And I voted for Yasu 7th because that's when I go to sleep that's when I have time.
MetroiD Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 And there is always the chance of 3 blockers, Yakuza, Neutral and Mutineer and I fit into the neutral slot. For the last two nights, there hasn't been one single event to lead us to the conclusion that the blockers in this Temple have, at any point, been more than two. So please quit wasting our time with those theories. You aren't helping yourself.
Peanuts Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 You say you targeted Chieko last night, is there any reason why that might have been the case? Because I have every reason to believe you're trying to misguide us there once again -- with Tadao actually having blocked my wife before dying an honorable death last night. And what makes you think so? I just wondered, hadn't Minoru told Norio who he had targeted on night one before? I thought you had been working together? Yes, that renegade story is pretty hard to believe. I've never heard of such a role before. (But I've never heard of the Vigilante Jester before Why doesn't it surprise me Minoru claimed to Tamiko?)
MetroiD Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 And what makes you think so? That's my wife, remember! We were in bed together, getting our freak on after she'd been feeling up my ol' butt all day sleeping soundly. What, you don't think old people get to sleep? Seriously though. Neutral or Scum, Minoru is starting to look more useless with each passing second. Based on that mistake-ridden defence of his, I think I know where my vote is going today.
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