swils Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Involvement in the day so far Conversely, there are people like Lizzy, who have been relatively very vocal, but not said anything of value. Today, she even criticized Shiro for doing some of the same exact things that she has done herself for the last several days. I know that Emi has thrown Lizzy's name into the barrel already, but when you asked for names, Norio, hers was the first that came to mind. Especially considering her little "I'm throwing this out there, except I'm not really throwing it out there" scene this morning. I interpreted Lizzy's pseudo-suggestion as such: *Tamiko, despite being a loyal family member, was acting suspiciously, so it is natural that other family members might vote for her based on her scumminess. But! She was a loyal member of the family, so we should look to the votes, and check up on those who voted for her. Except, you know, I don't really think we should, I'm just saying. Okay then, let's look to the votes. On the second day, Emi, Saburo, and myself voted against Tamiko, while on the fourth day, Hiroki voted against Tamiko. Now, Hiroki was a mutineer, we learned this prior to Lizzy's suggestion, and I can speak for myself in saying that I am a loyal member of this family. Emi and Saburo, I can not speak for. However, it seems quite convenient, to me, that two of the four people Lizzy is suggesting be investigated, have been two of the most "anti-Lizzy", if you will, people these last few days. Why not just be direct about it? We, well, again I can only speak for myself, so, I have no problem with calling you out, but I can understand why you might be afraid to flat out make a "revenge vote". Are you afraid to take a concrete stand against anyone, Lizzy? Are you worried that actually making an accusation with points that are your own would make you stand out too much? Would you rather merely suggest-but-not-suggest a few suspects, hoping that someone else will pick up the reins, so that should one of us end up dead and revealed to be a loyal templie, you won't have to worry as much about being the one who lead the charge? Vote: Lizzy (Capt. Redblade)
Bob Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I'm not sure it's a good idea to split the vote like this. We should unite and unify around a specific candidate. We should, however, wait until we've heard from all the accused. If some even bother to show up.
Rumble Strike Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Oh, and my initial point was not just that Ichirou had initially voted for Chieko, but that Minorou had also accused Chieko of being the Mutineer killer. Minorou was later found to be a Secret Agent, and we know that there hasn't been any communication between the Mutineers and the Agents, so this accusation may hold some weight. However, I fully admit that I can provide no further evidence, and certainly Chieko has appeared to be quite proactive in the day, commenting quite usefully on our situation. This is another reason why I have not voted for her, but I did want to bring the possibilities to the table here for all of us, and I welcome the fact that she has done the same with me. Now we are into the fifth day of this ordeal, it will be harder and harder for people to hide behind a veil of silence, and it is interesting to see some of us, who we would perhaps expect to be more vocal, staying on the sidelines.
CorneliusMurdock Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I've been giving the accused some time to put forth a defense but that hasn't happened yet. I have to say that if any of the ones being voted for right now are loyal Yakuza, you are doing yourselves and our family a great disservice by not addressing these votes. If you do not defend yourselves, who will? How are we to know if you are loyal or not if you do not fight to prove your innocence? The longer you go without a defense the scummier it looks and the less time we have to turn a vote around if we are wrong. For now I will: Vote: Cherry Blossom (Whitefang) She has been relatively quiet and I would have expected some public reaction from her by now. I'm willing to listen to any defense she puts forth but it had better be a good one after this wait.
badboytje88 Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Votes so far: Akio (Rumble Strike): 1 Vote Scubacarrot, Kenta (Nightshroud99): 1 Vote MetroiD, Shiro (Alopex): 1 Vote Capt. Redblade, Cherry Blossom (Whitefang): 5 Votes Def, Bob, Rumble Strike, Fhomess, CorneliusMurdock Lizzy (Capt. Redblade): 2 Votes Brickdoctor, Swils I have to admit, this is starting to look very interesting! Edited March 12, 2012 by badboytje88
def Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Kenta (Nightshroud99): … Votes MetroiD, Is he immune to lynching or something?
badboytje88 Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 Is he immune to lynching or something? Forgot to add his total vote count. My bad
WhiteFang Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I haven't got decent time to put up a case but I will put this short and sweet. I am a vanilla townie. I am a Yakuza Family member and I speak and adds when I need to. I am not involved in any hidden background meetings. I can't put any suspects on anyone yet. Convicting me based on the obvious commenting in my day is un needed. I promise when I am convicted and I wish it happens. One of you whoever is rallying against me will go down with me. On my terms and on my conditions, I am all out to settle this personal vendetta because I will pick the most scummy person in my book.
def Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I promise when I am convicted and I wish it happens. One of you whoever is rallying against me will go down with me. On my terms and on my conditions, I am all out to settle this personal vendetta because I will pick the most scummy person in my book. If you're a vanilla townie, how will you take someone down with you? How will you settle this personal vendetta from the grave? I'm confused
Scubacarrot Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Wait, what? First you say you are a vanilla towny, then you say you will take someone with you? I don't get this at all. You say it is personal?? When you say you have not done any talking in private?? Point is that you have been next to useless, as far as we know. This 'defense' has made me more suspicious of you than of Akio, to be honest. Unvote: Akio (Rumble Strike) Vote: Cherry Blossom (Whitefang)
fhomess Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I am a vanilla townie. I am a Yakuza Family member and I speak and adds when I need to. I am not involved in any hidden background meetings. I can't put any suspects on anyone yet. Convicting me based on the obvious commenting in my day is un needed. That seems fair enough. Not a great defense, but I agree that quietness isn't something that we should hold specifically against people. But... I promise when I am convicted and I wish it happens. One of you whoever is rallying against me will go down with me. On my terms and on my conditions, I am all out to settle this personal vendetta because I will pick the most scummy person in my book. What? Why such an agressive anti-Yakuza response here? Being vanilla and taking someone out with you doesn't seem to line up to begin with. Threatening to take someone else with you seems particularly anti-Yakuza. I can't see how that would really benefit the Yakuza in any way.
WhiteFang Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 If you guys can't see the light, then I will take things into my own hand. Anyway, my death is still part of the team win, so it's not a threat. If you want me dead, I will do the rest. In plain words, This is a gift and it can only be used if I am convicted, so I am more than happy to see it happens. There is a name for it. Ah, something like avenger spirit. I am sure I got it wrong.
Scubacarrot Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 But there is a problem with that, it would make you not vanilla, wouldn't it?
WhiteFang Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 But there is a problem with that, it would make you not vanilla, wouldn't it? No. Definition of vanilla townie: One being unable to perform any requested night actions or own any passive night actions. Mine is just a situational conditional action. I don't have it unless I am convicted. I will be bless with it. In any other normal days, I don't have anything else up on my hand. Get the difference?
Scubacarrot Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 No that is stupid, because your action entitles you to kill someone after you are convicted, or so you claim. Which would make it a semi-passive (Night, since lynches are done in the evening ;)) action. No difference.
WhiteFang Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 No that is stupid, because your action entitles you to kill someone after you are convicted, or so you claim. Which would make it a semi-passive (Night, since lynches are done in the evening ;)) action. No difference. As I said, I stand by my view point.
Rick Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 In plain words, This is a gift and it can only be used if I am convicted, so I am more than happy to see it happens. There is a name for it. Ah, something like avenger spirit. I am sure I got it wrong. Vengeful? I have my doubts that really is your role. You could be scum trying to avoid being lynched. But if you're truly one of us, I suggest you contact Norio before the end of the day to check whether your intended target isn't a confirmed Yakuza. I'm pretty sure Norio is town and he claims to have cleared quite a few of us already. I'm sorry if we make the wrong decision by lynching you, but we'd be grateful if you try to take down a scum with you. Vote: Cherry Blossom (WhiteFang)
badboytje88 Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 Votes so far: Kenta (Nightshroud99): 1 Vote MetroiD, Shiro (Alopex): 1 Vote Capt. Redblade, Cherry Blossom (Whitefang): 7 Votes Def, Bob, Rumble Strike, Fhomess, CorneliusMurdock, Scubacarrot, Rick Lizzy (Capt. Redblade): 2 Votes Brickdoctor, Swils I have to admit, this is starting to look very interesting!
CMP Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Is anyone keeping up a tally of the silliest roleclaims of this situation so far? Cherry, I was not going to vote you, but are you honestly saying getting vengeance on us by killing one of us is the best way to help out your team win? Now, if you were an Agent or a Mutineer, I could understand that, but.... Vote: Cherry Blossom/WhiteFang If you're not lying, try to take down someone you find actually suspicious. By the way, your role is Vengeful or vanilla. A vanilla by definition is 'ordinary and powerless'.
Brickdoctor Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 There is a name for it. Ah, something like avenger spirit. I am sure I got it wrong. You can't even remember what the name is? As I said, I stand by my view point. So someone refutes your statement, and instead of discussing or arguing your view, you decide to just say that you still believe in what you said? We aren't going to get anywhere that way. You're saying that you're a Vanilla Townie because your definition of Vanilla Townie is different from everyone else's. That's just like saying that you aren't acting scummy because your definition of scummy is different from everyone else.Also, no matter how little time you have, I don't see why a Townie wouldn't try to put up a defense first that didn't require a threat and a role claim. Seems like a rather desperate attempt to me. I Unvote: Lizzy (Capt. Redblade) and Vote: Cherry Blossom (White Fang).
Professor Flitwick Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 *sniff* Vote: Cherry Blossom (White Fang). A vanilla with a night action? At least allow your claim to have a modicum of sense. You've done so little for us, and you don't seem to have been in contact with anyone. Should you be innocent, I doubt your presence will be missed.
MetroiD Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I promise when I am convicted and I wish it happens. One of you whoever is rallying against me will go down with me. On my terms and on my conditions, I am all out to settle this personal vendetta because I will pick the most scummy person in my book. Seriously, defending yourself while threating the rest of the Family?! Great job Cherry. You could have put up a much better defence and at least tried to convince us you're a loyal member of the Yakuza, without actually trying to talk down to us like some sort of eerie evil spirit. You've kept to yourself for days and haven't helped us one single bit, and now you're talking about "your terms and conditions"? I'm having a hard time deciding whether I'd like to unvote Kenta right now. But - he still hasn't uttered one single word and I'm very interested in hearing what he'd have to say in his defence. If it's half as good as Cherry's, we've got ourself quite a hot sauce today... I also must confess I find it rather interesting that after hinting Kenta's made a presumably false claim to him, Norio has dropped that altogether and decided not to pursue the matter anymore. I'm assuming that's got to do with his investigations, and while I respect those, I'd very much like to hear a proper defence from Kenta - if he does decide to grace us with his presence today.
swils Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Oh, cripes. First I thought Tamiko might be the vengeful one, but here Cherry Blossom turns around and flat out claims it. Well, Cherry, regardless of your alignment or abilities, you've at least managed to un-split the votes. Unvote: Lizzy (Capt. Redblade) Vote: Cherry Blossom (Whitefang)
badboytje88 Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 Votes so far: Kenta (Nightshroud99): 1 Vote MetroiD, Shiro (Alopex): 1 Vote Capt. Redblade, Cherry Blossom (Whitefang): 10 Votes Def, Bob, Rumble Strike, Fhomess, CorneliusMurdock, Scubacarrot, Rick, CallMePieOrDie, Brickdoctor, Professor Flitwick, Swils Mod note: I noticed that in my first post of this topic I made a mistake Aiko is not a Yakuza. She was a neutral player. I've corrected that mistake. That's all.
CMP Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Mod note: I noticed that in my first post of this topic I made a mistake Aiko is not a Yakuza. She was a neutral player. I've corrected that mistake. That's all. That's pretty major, but I don't think it'll have much an impact on the vote today.
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