Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Season 5 Discussion

[Brickadeer]

Sorry. I thought that we were allowed to post those kinds of things in this thread but I'll make sure to put spoiler tags in it now.

Well. I don't think that it's exactly forbidden to post "spoilers" here. But using spoiler tags would be pretty nice Thanks

[XimenaPaulina]

Sorry. I thought that we were allowed to post those kinds of things in this thread but I'll make sure to put spoiler tags in it now.

Well it is very clear in the subtitle of this thread that there are SPOILERS PRESENT so I don't think spoiler tags are necessary. Besides, do we have to wait for the current episodes to be shown in every part of the world before we could discuss 'normally' without spoilers?

With regards to the premiere episode, even if it's not as 'grandiose' as the other two-part season premieres of the past, I really liked it especially how they've shown that even two badass Sith wannabees can be taken down by a punch of pirates. Brute strength, athletic fighting/lightsaber skills, or even Force abilities ain't got nothin' on a full gang of blaster-wieldin' pirates. Kinda reminds me of this:

And even it's sad to see Adi Gallia go, it's good to see it fueled Obi-Wan to take on the brothers without hesitation, it was probably the best I've seen Kenobi in a lightsaber duel, even managing to decapitate Oppress' arm in a 2-on-1 handicap match. Hondo referring to lightasbers as "laser swords" really cracked me up, his underground non-chalant attitude really makes him one of my favorite charactes in the show (and I'm relieved he wasn't killed in the episode, as I really thought he will be - until the Jedi died). Overall, this was an enjoyable watch and a promising sign for this season, even if it is not much directly related to the on-going Clone Wars.

[Brickadeer]

Well it is very clear in the subtitle of this thread that there are SPOILERS PRESENT so I don't think spoiler tags are necessary. Besides, do we have to wait for the current episodes to be shown in every part of the world before we could discuss 'normally' without spoilers?

You're right. However, reading about content of the premiere came surprising to me. It reminds me that after the broadcast of the next episode, I will have to skip this thread until I watched it myself.

[Robominer]

It's not Filoni, though. It's Lucas. Filoni generally seems to care about the Star Wars universe, but the more control Lucas has, the worse the show seems to get.

Pardon my mistake. I am a radicalist, so sometimes in my disapproval I get confused about who I should be directing my disapproval at. There is some truth in what you said, now that I think about it, Filoni said in commentary for the episode "Monster" that Lucas wanted to bring Darth Maul back. But does this mean that Lucas had little control over Season 1, because that was the best season, and gradually gained more control as the series progressed?

I don't think it's fair to solely blame Filoni. At least I don't believe he's the one making all of the calls on character backstories and fates.

Although I'm not particularly fond with the fact that there are continuity issues, it doesn't bother me all that much since I haven't read any on the books or comics that most of you speak of.

I do agree with your statement that "If Star Wars is going to remain a good and respectable franchise, it must first solve its continuity problems."

He might not be the one making the storylines and rewriting the backstories, but the effect that the series is having on the Star Wars franchise is a very shocking one. The fact that the series is using its veto power to override previously established canon is something that Lucas may have determined on purpose, to rewrite Clone Wars continuity, but remember that it's not Lucas solving these contunuity problems, it's Chee.

That's not a problem, if you cant watch it don't work about it.

Even Piell vanishes between AOTC and ROTS as far as I care he died in the CW, lo and behold TCW shows us that did happen.

I do watch the show, however I haven't had time to watch the new episode due to work.

Remember, Coruscant Nights had already set Piell's death some months after Sith, so making Piell's death during the Clone Wars may solve the issue about him disappearing between Clones and Sith, but does conflict previously established canon.

As others said, the final decisions are up to Lucas, not Filoni.

Well. Star Wars is not a science. Not bringing back Maul only because this event is incompatible to "continuity guidelines" seems, well, not very reasonable to me. I think that with introducing the Midichlorians, Lucas made a huge mistake. To some degree, their introduction is plausible: it is clear that Midichlorians represent potential power, while training represents the degree to which this potential power is realized. That way, differences of power of Jedi can be explained. On the other hand, it removes a lot from the mystery surrounding the concept of the force and, consequently a lot of the mystery of the Star Wars universe.

I think that Lucas reacts to this trend of what I'd call "explaining the mysteries away". He may create inconsistencies, but I'm not concerned about them. Rather, the only conclusion I draw upon this obervation is that Lucas has other concerns than inconsistencies and is willing to pay this price. Personally, I like the show, I like Star Wars, and I like watching how this fictional universe evolves.

Right. Star Wars is not a science (regardless of them trying to market Star Wars Science products), so they can make up some stuff that may not make sense to someone who works in the science field like me. However, putting other concerns first before continuity is a mistake. Making sure that the universe makes sense should be a priority. I watch the show to see what will happen next, what continuity errors will arise, and how the problems of Ahsoka and Rex will be solved.

[Mr Man]

I do watch the show, however I haven't had time to watch the new episode due to work.

Remember, Coruscant Nights had already set Piell's death some months after Sith, so making Piell's death during the Clone Wars may solve the issue about him disappearing between Clones and Sith, but does conflict previously established canon.

No my point was I only consider SW that you can watch to be canon: 6 films, 3 spin off films, and 4 animated series.

Besides TCW is ranked higher in canon than some book no one has heard of.

[Robominer]

No my point was I only consider SW that you can watch to be canon: 6 films, 3 spin off films, and 4 animated series..

I get it now. Whatever's on screen is whatever matters.

Besides TCW is ranked higher in canon than some book no one has heard of.

Well, of course. But it seems that Lucas is trying to nullify these other Clone Wars media and make it into something that no longer makes sense.

[Sir_Basil_Ashton]

What's the world coming to? I felt a little weird watching Season 5, Episode 1 on YouTube. I guess I don't really have a choice since I now live in Italy. I have to say the episode was a really nice way to kick off the new season. I was pretty upset that I missed this Episode since I went to Celebration VI on Saturday and not Friday. It was well worth the wait. I read somewhere that this wasn't supposed to be the 1st episode of Season 5. I feel it was a good way to tie Seasons 4 and 5 together.

[Mr Man]

I've just watched it now. Got to say the music was fantastic, the duel theme was really good.

[Brickadeer]

Right. Star Wars is not a science (regardless of them trying to market Star Wars Science products), so they can make up some stuff that may not make sense to someone who works in the science field like me. However, putting other concerns first before continuity is a mistake. Making sure that the universe makes sense should be a priority. I watch the show to see what will happen next, what continuity errors will arise, and how the problems of Ahsoka and Rex will be solved.

Curious. If I evaluate a subject and if I arrive at an observation that doesn't fit to my expectations which are rooted in and formed upon certain assumptions I made about this subject, the only conclusion I'd draw upon this observation is that the assumptions are inadequate in order to form valid expectations, and thus have to be dropped. Concluding that the subject somehow behaves wrong and demanding that it should behave differently is, well, not exactly what I'd call "scientific".

To me, the inconsistencies that were created are of minor importance, and I do not believe the Star Wars universe will collapse due to them. It is apparent that Lucas assumes and has the power to override whatever kind of established canon, and that he is willing to do so if he believes his actions are justified by his motives. Star Wars is a fictional universe, and I'm rather relaxed when it comes to such issues. So ultimately, when Lucas does it, that means that it is not illegal, and he won't be impeached for his actions.

Edited September 30, 2012 by Brickadeer

[Robominer]

Curious. If I evaluate a subject and if I arrive at an observation that doesn't fit to my expectations which are rooted in and formed upon certain assumptions I made about this subject, the only conclusion I'd draw upon this observation is that the assumptions are inadequate in order to form valid expectations, and thus have to be dropped. Concluding that the subject somehow behaves wrong and demanding that it should behave differently is, well, not exactly what I'd call "scientific".

I think you misunderstand. I was referring to the fact about "midi-chlorians" and stuff like that does not make sense from a scientific viewpoint.

To me, the inconsistencies that were created are of minor importance, and I do not believe the Star Wars universe will collapse due to them. It is apparent that Lucas assumes and has the power to override whatever kind of established canon, and that he is willing to do so if he believes his actions are justified by his motives. Star Wars is a fictional universe, and I'm rather relaxed when it comes to such issues. So ultimately, when Lucas does it, that means that it is not illegal, and he won't be impeached for his actions.

Inconsistencies are a glaring problem that seems to arise. They can be fixed with retcons, but usually the retcon either makes no sense, or doesn't seem that well thought-out. The fact that bothers me most is the fact that Lucas is trying to rewrite something that was okay before. Sure, Lucas can do anything he wants with his franchise, just whether he keeps some of his fans and continue to make money is another matter. And whoever said anything about his actions being "illegal" and that "he won't be impeached for his actions"? Of course he won't. After all, you can't control what a person does with their franchise.

[Mraz Skintas]

I don't see why Midi-chlorians would make sense from a scientific standpoint. Lightsabers don't make sense from a scientific standpoint. You have a super heated laser rod that expands and contracts at the push of a button, and has a definite end point, without melting through its casing, and neither would be possible. That's why it's called science fiction.

And I think the Clone Wars, which has direct input from Lucas, comes before a random book or comic that was written back in say '05. Sure it was good for canon at the time, but with the new series, it's dated, and should be redone for the target audience. Look at what other major comics do, they reboot characters all the time, and most of them are older than Star Wars, so it seems natural for Star Wars to have started it too. I think the creators are doing what they can to tie the older movies with the series so the kids watching it experience the same characters adults did, thus the inclusion of some classic OT characters in the show.

[Mr Man]

After watching a few choice episodes from the other series, I do get quite a OT vibe from TCW, more so the the PT, and CW.

[Sam892]

Well I was very pleased with the opening of Season 5. Great music, great action, great story line and already has me hooked on Maul again. Hopefully we don't have to wait until the finale to see Maul and Savage again.

Also I don't know if any of you have seen the Fan questions videos on YouTube but Dave hinted that we will find out Darth Mauls birth name this season. I'm hoping its not a lame name and is as badass as Maul is.

Going back to the episode it was interesting to see Maul and Savage get a beating. They were set up as such unstoppable juggernauts in the last seasons and trailers. It was a little bit shocking but, good shocking kept me on my edge of my seat. So was Obi Wan fuelled by a bit of rage? I mean he did kick there megablocks in that corridor.

[Sir_Basil_Ashton]

I wasn't expecting Obi-Wan to be so proficient in using 2 lightsabers simultaneously. It was a pleasant surprise. Obi-Wan was never given any credit as a swordsman the way Anakin was. He never lost any limbs in a duel. Although I think Count Dooku could have easily done so on different occasions.

[Mraz Skintas]

I think if Obi-wan used the more aggressive form V, he would be better than Anakin with sword fighting, because he has the skill, just uses a defensive form.

[commanderneyo]

Preview clip for the next episode, A War on Two Fronts:

[Sir_Basil_Ashton]

Preview clip for the next episode, A War on Two Fronts:

Thanks for the clip.

Good to see the Republic Attack Shuttle. I really like it. Hopefully we get to see it in combat this season.

[Brickadeer]

Dave Filoni and Sam Witwer on s5e01 and Maul:

http://starwars.com/watch/revival_commentary.html

[Masked Builder]

We've posted our review of Revival on the blog.

[Mr Man]

Good to see the Republic Attack Shuttle. I really like it. Hopefully we get to see it in combat this season.

But in a situation a LAAT would have sufficed. Gunships in an atmosphere, Shuttles in Space, something the TCW writers forget due to rule of cool sometimes.

[Masked Builder]

We bloggers have just posted our review of A War On Two Fronts.

[commanderneyo]

Upcoming episode titles:

Episode 9: Secret Weapons

Episode 10: ASunny Day In The Void

Episode 11 Missing In Action

Episode 12 Point Of No Return

Episode 13 Eminence

Episode 14 Shades Of Reason

Episode 15 The Lawless

[DarthPotato]

Front Runners was pretty good, I enjoyed it much more than A War on Two Fronts. I'm thinking that Saw might betray them, and why did they make it look like it was such a big reveal that Saw and Steela were brother and sister at the end? I think most people already knew...

[Sir_Basil_Ashton]

I enjoyed Front Runners and think it was a good way to build on the first episode of this arc. Droids on their own have proven to be ineffective against a trained enemy. I'm expecting the next couple episodes to be action packed and I can see either Steela or Saw being killed in battle.

[Oky]

Front Runners was pretty good, I enjoyed it much more than A War on Two Fronts. I'm thinking that Saw might betray them, and why did they make it look like it was such a big reveal that Saw and Steela were brother and sister at the end? I think most people already knew...

Same here, although I don't think Saw is a traitor. He's much too devoted to the rebels to betray them. And yeah, that "reveal" was odd, but I don't think their last name was mentioned in the last episode, so Ahsoka and anyone who didn't read up on the Gerreras online didn't know they were siblings.