Mrlegoninja Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Challenge Begin Ah, its good to be back. It seems like I fell into a coma or something. Glad I'm back and consious! Challenge Begin Ah, its good to be back. It seems like I fell into a coma or something. Glad I'm back and consious! Challenge Begin
iamded Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Space ships and rockets, my oh my. I admit, I didn't understand what the clue was saying before, but now I'm finally clicking. How worrying that one of those three could be a traitor. By now, Diana and Fred have each received three clues, and Chris has received two. It will be a pain trying to figure out any misinformation any potential demons have fed us...
Hinckley Posted March 22, 2012 Author Posted March 22, 2012 The challenge has been over for several hours. Sorry I haven't updated. Busy day at work. I will get the winners announced as soon as I can. Thanks for your patience.
Fugazi Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Okay nobody asked but I'm volunteering my clue anyway. Right now I don't see how I could clear myself of suspicion, so take this clue for what it's worth. In the fourth puddle of blood I found reddish brown hair. That leaves quite a few possibilities.
Bob Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Okay nobody asked but I'm volunteering my clue anyway. Right now I don't see how I could clear myself of suspicion, so take this clue for what it's worth. In the fourth puddle of blood I found reddish brown hair. That leaves quite a few possibilities. This points towards Sheldon again, but I'm not sure what all this means. Sheldon, do you know if you're related to anyone who has visited this temple in the past? Perhaps you are one of the last sacrifices. That being said, maybe we should go back and see what clothes that the original visitors from the flashback wore.
Rufus Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Okay nobody asked but I'm volunteering my clue anyway. Right now I don't see how I could clear myself of suspicion, so take this clue for what it's worth. In the fourth puddle of blood I found reddish brown hair. That leaves quite a few possibilities. Actually I think only Donna and Ingrid have reddish brown hair. Oh, and Sylvia.
Tamamono Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Okay then, good morning (or whatever ) everybody! You'll all be very interested to hear that I found a fiber of dark tan fabric in the fourth blood puddle. Combined with Diana's clue, this points to Richard (although it varies depending on what your definition of reddish brown hair is). Or, of course, Diana could be lying. I'm inclined to believe it's the latter as a matter of fact. Plenty of people have dark tan pants, so it's definitely possible that Diana was trying to cover for one of them (or even for herself ). After all, there's nobody with dark tan pants and a reddish brown hair here, so it stands to reason that either Diana or myself is lying. I know I'm telling the truth, so, by process of elimination, that makes Diana's clue the phoney. On that note, I'd like to share a very interesting theory I had with you all. We keep seeing these blood puddles (almost) every chapter, right? But we don't know where the hell they came from - right? The Monk clearly said that the blood from each respective puddle once belonged to someone here, but he also said that nobody could lose that much blood without being very dead. In addition, nobody is visibly bleeding... Hmm... Now, if I may, I'd like to draw your attention to this clue the Monk so kindly gave us after a satisfactory number of us competed in the challenge several chapters back: As you can see here, a perfectly innocent looking dark figure is standing around the pool and holding a clear, pure, gem. I wonder what that gem could signify? Suddenly, a not-so-innocent dark figure comes up from behind this first dark figure and shanks him/her in the back with some sort of tooth (not one of the shark teeth we all have, though - those teeth are smaller), or maybe a dagger of sorts. And then, whaddyaknow? That first dark figure is standing in a puddle of blood, and the gem he/she was holding has now turned green! Please note that the blood puddle this figure is standing in is in the same place as the first blood puddle. My theory is that each blood puddle represents a different person in this room, and all those fibers of clothing and hairs we keep finding in these puddles come from the person who the blood puddle represents. Now, many have suggested that these puddles signify that certain people are in 'danger' of being hurt, which is a perfectly plausible theory, but the clue proves that wrong. When the second dark figure stabbed the first one with the tooth-dagger-thingy, the first dark figure appeared in a puddle of blood, and his/her gem turned a different color. My theory is that the second dark figure is, in fact, the demon we've been looking for. In between chapters, the demon goes out and stabs somebody, that person's gem turns green, and then a puddle of blood with evidence suggesting that the blood in the puddle belongs to that person appears. Notice how sometimes the Monk says that we have kind of a 'glitch'? That's time freezing (trust me on this, it's a real thing) while the demon turns someone's gem green. The hard part is; what happens to these people who get stabbed? Do they get converted? Do they die? I'm pretty sure nobody's dead, so I'm willing to believe that it's the former. Each night In between chapters, the demon converts one player to his/her team. Remember how the Monk said that we had until about Chapter 8 to catch the demon before Vacuus rises and devours our souls or something? If the demon team started out with one person and grew one more each chapter, they'd currently be at 5 people. If we include the interlude between chapters five and six (even though there was no new blood puddle there) and we counted all the way up to the end, there would be, in the end, 8 demons. That is a majority out of 14, and therefore, the demons would win. I'm not quite sure how things fit together since there weren't any blood puddles the last couple of chapters. I'm willing to believe that there wasn't one at the beginning of Chapter 5 because the Monk was resuming life after a while, and I do think I know why there wasn't one this chapter, but I'd like to hear some other opinions on the matter before I share that information. Now, I have quite a bit more information (some pretty juicy stuff too!), but before I share it, I'd really appreciate it if EVERYONE could compile a list of all the clues they have received so far (revealed already or not) and share it with the whole group. Sharing your clues in public only hurts the demon(s), so it's in everyone's best interests to do so. I'm positive that the demon(s) will lie about their clue(s), but with everything out here on the table, I'm sure we can tell the fake clues from the real ones. I understand that these are your clues, and I have no right to demand that you bring them forward, but I'm serious. I think we are very close to solving this, and getting all the clues out there will make things loads easier for all us non-demons. Please?
CorneliusMurdock Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Wow. That's a lot of info to wade through. It actually sounds plausible, too. That means we need to be extra careful with who should receive clues. For the time being, though, I think it's safe to say that you, Diana, and I should not be the ones picked to get clues until we're absolutely sure who the untrustworthy one is.
iamded Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 That makes sense. To add to that, the monk said anyone would die if they bled that much. We know the blood is from people in this room, and I imagine they wouldn't need that blood if they have demon in their veins... I've been taking note of the people nominated to receive clues. I can list the people from each chapter if requested, but for now I'll just list the people and how many clues they have. One clue - Samantha (Rufus, Diesel (Draggy) and Penny (Peppy). Two clues - Sigourney (Sieggy) and Chris (Tammo). Three clues - Fred (Murdock) and Diana (Foog). I'm not entirely sure about Chris though, as on Day 3 it's not clear if it was him or Tony that recieved a clue...
Zepher Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 WEll, that's certainly a terrifying thought. I was thinking that the pools of blood were telling us who to trust, but this seems compelling too. I was trying to figure out what the gens could mean. I was actually searching for them in the water. Something intriguing happened while I was under there. Someone tossed something in... if you're not a demon, and want to tell me what you're doing, please explain it to me privately. If you are a demon, and want to tell me what you're doing, please do so publicly and explain that you're a demon. Thank you. The converting theory does make sense. I was going to say, if there is only one demon, the chances of us nominating them is 1/14, but, if you're right and there have been converts... that would be very bad. But make nominating one more likely. I think everyone who was nominated and everyone who is tied, for certain, to a blood puddle must not be trust.
Tamamono Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 For the time being, though, I think it's safe to say that you, Diana, and I should not be the ones picked to get clues until we're absolutely sure who the untrustworthy one is. Good call. I think we should survey the clues, and then let clues be distributed to people who don't have ANY fabric fibers/hairs/etc. that incriminate them. That makes sense. To add to that, the monk said anyone would die if they bled that much. We know the blood is from people in this room, and I imagine they wouldn't need that blood if they have demon in their veins... I've been taking note of the people nominated to receive clues. I can list the people from each chapter if requested, but for now I'll just list the people and how many clues they have. One clue - Samantha (Rufus, Diesel (Draggy) and Penny (Peppy). Two clues - Sigourney (Sieggy) and Chris (Tammo). Three clues - Fred (Murdock) and Diana (Foog). I'm not entirely sure about Chris though, as on Day 3 it's not clear if it was him or Tony that recieved a clue... Thank you, Ingrid! I'm pretty sure I got a clue right after Chapter 3. The converting theory does make sense. I was going to say, if there is only one demon, the chances of us nominating them is 1/14, but, if you're right and there have been converts... that would be very bad. But make nominating one more likely. I think everyone who was nominated and everyone who is tied, for certain, to a blood puddle must not be trust. Exactly, Silvia, but do keep in mind, the demons must have started out with one member, and the blood will probably not point to that person at all (now watch as the demons make up clues incriminating their leader ).
Shadows Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 This points towards Sheldon again, but I'm not sure what all this means. Sheldon, do you know if you're related to anyone who has visited this temple in the past? Perhaps you are one of the last sacrifices. That being said, maybe we should go back and see what clothes that the original visitors from the flashback wore. I have no idea, I only came here with my girlfriend and fully intended to break up with her and then the temple took care of that ... Note to self: Break up first next time. If there is a next time. Oh god, I'm scared, hold me!
CorneliusMurdock Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Here're the clues I've gotten: 1. The first puddle had tan fabric. 2. The second puddle had brown fabric. And last night's clue was... 3. The fourth puddle had light blue fabric. The problem with only giving clues to people that the clues don't already have a clue pointing to them is that I think once enough clues are brought forth, there either won't be anybody without a clue pointing at them (probably a reason why we all seemed to change clothes before coming here) or that group will be too small to recieve all of the clues. Plus, if any of the clue givers are demons, that won't necessarily be all that reliable anyway since there are probably some false clues.
Zepher Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 I think anyone who is confirmed to be tied to a puddle (no one else can be tied to that puddle, we had two of those kinds of people yesterday) and everyone on the list of people to not be trusted should not be given a clue. That is five of us. There are still a number of people to receive clues.
Hinckley Posted March 23, 2012 Author Posted March 23, 2012 as on Day 3 it's not clear if it was him or Tony that recieved a clue... *Blah. Sorry, that was Chris. My fault.* The winners of today's challenge are: Sheldon Wills (Shadows) Samantha Cole (Rufus) & Diana Mantino (Fugazi) So, those three people will now vote for 4 people to receive clues. All discussion should take place in this thread. The crazy old monk appears again. "Let's try the trust game again." He says, "Everyone, including the challenge winners, should vote for one person they trust. The top three vote-getters will get a group clue ... if they can be trusted."
Zepher Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 The people we can't trust, and why: Diana Mantino (Fugazi), Fred Thomas (CorneliusMurdock) and Chris Owen (Tamamono) (nominated untrustworthy group) Interesting note on that, supporting the conversion theory: "At least one person nominated should not be trusted" Sheldon is very clearly linked to puddle 3. Dark blue fabric, black fabric and dark orange hair in the third puddle. Er... how does that make you feel, Sheldon? Seems a bit ominous. If these puddles are a prediction of future events, then it might be wise for you to keep well away from puddle 3. So, I urge everyone to NOT vote for these people. We have tons of people in the clear. Furthermore, and I hate to once more rag on this group, but if there are conversions, the people receiving lots of clues and lots of challenges should probably be under scrutiny. The demon would convert those getting and giving clues to "keep it all in the family". It's a good thing I took Demon Spotting 101 when I went back to college that second time!
Bob Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Oh god, I'm scared, hold me! I'd like to give Sheldon a hug and tell him everything is going to be alright.
Peppermint_M Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Oh, my poor Zachy, please stop talking about these things! I was engaged and then he died
Shadows Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 "Let's try the trust game again." He says, "Everyone, including the challenge winners, should vote for one person they trust. The top three vote-getters will get a group clue ... if they can be trusted." I'm going to think about this for a bit. Sheldon is very clearly linked to puddle 3. *snip* So, I urge everyone to NOT vote for these people. We have tons of people in the clear. Furthermore, and I hate to once more rag on this group, but if there are conversions, the people receiving lots of clues and lots of challenges should probably be under scrutiny. The demon would convert those getting and giving clues to "keep it all in the family". You know, that sounds like the kind of thing someone who had been converted would say to try to look like they actually care about the group yet knowing they had an ally who would still be able to receive/distort clues. Personally, I think that being identified with a puddle is about the best alibi one could have (barring your conversion theory). I really don't see how being an intended target could make one bad. As for having 'tons of people in the clear', do we really? Would you like to name them so we won't be bothered looking at them further? Personally, I think we just need to keep sharing as much information as we can and eventually it should lead to filtering out the evil in this group, whether it's one or more (I'd have sworn we were told it was only one, weren't we?). I'd like to give Sheldon a hug and tell him everything is going to be alright. Thanks, I feel better now, I think.
Fugazi Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Well what can I say? It's Chris' word against mine, as our clues about the 4th puddle appear to contradict themselves. I'm not inclined to trust Chris fully because he's one of the three 'untrustworthy' ones, but it doesn't mean that he's lying either. We don't know what the demon or demons might be capable of, including planting false clues. On the other hand, Chris' theory about the conversions is sound and I believe it. Which doesn't mean that he couldn't be one of them himself, trying to deflect the recent suspicions. I would like we all try to determine who can be trusted before I cast my votes. I want the clues to go to the right people, even if I'm not included.
Tamamono Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Here're the clues I've gotten: 1. The first puddle had tan fabric. 2. The second puddle had brown fabric. And last night's clue was... 3. The fourth puddle had light blue fabric. Thank you for being so cooperative, Fred! That clue from the last puddle coupled with my clue points to Diana. It could have pointed to me, but Diana decided to make her fake clue reddish brown hair or something like that. This pretty much confirms that Diana is a liar (and probably a demon), unless of course you and I are working together. You know, that sounds like the kind of thing someone who had been converted would say to try to look like they actually care about the group yet knowing they had an ally who would still be able to receive/distort clues. Personally, I think that being identified with a puddle is about the best alibi one could have (barring your conversion theory). I really don't see how being an intended target could make one bad. It makes sense that you would say that, considering that everything in puddle 3 points to you. Honestly though, what do you think the puddles mean if they don't mean conversion? That clue the Monk shared with us pretty much confirms it, too. Personally, I think we just need to keep sharing as much information as we can and eventually it should lead to filtering out the evil in this group, whether it's one or more (I'd have sworn we were told it was only one, weren't we?). Yes, at the beginning. Remember last chapter? The Monk said that 'AT LEAST ONE' of me, Diana, and Fred could not be trusted. He wouldn't have said that if there was only one of us who could not be trusted. Well what can I say? It's Chris' word against mine, as our clues about the 4th puddle appear to contradict themselves. I'm not inclined to trust Chris fully because he's one of the three 'untrustworthy' ones, but it doesn't mean that he's lying either. We don't know what the demon or demons might be capable of, including planting false clues. On the other hand, Chris' theory about the conversions is sound and I believe it. Which doesn't mean that he couldn't be one of them himself, trying to deflect the recent suspicions. If I may direct your attention to this statement made by the Monk during Chapter 1: "But there is still some hope. In this interim, the demon among you, the one who has awakened Vacuus has lost most of his power. He can no longer make you see things that are not actually there: floating crowns and skulls, etc. He is weaker now as Vacuus rises from the Abyss. Now is the only time you have to reverse what he has done. You must find him and kill him." I think this basically means that everything we see here is the truth. The demon could, of course, 'plant' false clues, like you said, but I highly doubt it.
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