Yakuza Family - Day 8

[MetroiD]

Then it was just me, Hiroki, and Emi.

But you couldn't speak up in her defence, knowing that we were lynching a loyal member of this Family last night? I really want to keep my vote on Daisuke, but you're making it harder by the hour... Besides, outing any Townie reeks, period. If anyone wants to reveal their role, they should do it themselves. If you decide to do it for them, in public no less, it probably isn't the protection and the greater good of the Family you're interested in. And jumping on the Daisuke train without any further clarification of why you've decided to do so was pretty convenient too; almost too obvious for an actual scum...

[Rick]

Jirou specifically told me he didn't trust Norio that much. I doubt that Jirou would spill everything to him the moment they first started talking. Jirou only told me everything because he found out that I was a Yakuza Protector. It later turned out I was a jailkeeper.

I'd think he would find out you protect and block (i.e., you're a jailkeeper) if he indeed was a follower, so I don't know what 'later' refers to here. How did you find out if not through Jirou? You're not making a lot of sense here.

I outed Jirou because I wasn't sure if I even trusted him myself. Sure, he told me he investigated and found I was a protector, but at the same time I had been talking to Hiroki, who was also a similar role. I decided to tell Norio the person I trusted less, Jirou, because I was sure that he would investigate and ensure that my and Jirou's claims were sound.

Did Hiroki also check you out the same night Jirou followed you? I just wonder on what basis you trust one more than the other.

I suppose it can be used to protect a vanilla townie, but I'm not killing people at night nor am I hiding their bodies. Tonight is an even night, I should be able to use my jailkeeper ability again.

You used it to protect a vanilla townie on night 4 because Norio asked you to, then you say you're not using it for that purpose anymore, and now you see the light again? Do you even try to make your story consistent?

[Bob]

But you couldn't speak up in her defence, knowing that we were lynching a loyal member of this Family last night? I really want to keep my vote on Daisuke, but you're making it harder by the hour... Besides, outing any Townie reeks, period. If anyone wants to reveal their role, they should do it themselves. If you decide to do it for them, in public no less, it probably isn't the protection and the greater good of the Family you're interested in. And jumping on the Daisuke train without any further clarification of why you've decided to do so was pretty convenient too; almost too obvious for an actual scum...

I wasn't speaking up in her defense because she left my group of trusted townies that fell apart. I was a bit sore that she didn't want to stick around and help out. Second of all, I did not out anyone's role in public. The only role that I've "outed" is Jirou's role and that was in private communication with Norio. I only did that because I figured that since Norio was assembling other townspeople with action roles, he'd want Jirou too. However, I didn't immediately trust Jirou since he came to me in a huff and simply said that he investigated me and found out my role and my allegiance.

And yes, I'm jumping on the "Daisuke train" because we need to coalesce around a single candidate today and I'd rather it not be me.

I'd think he would find out you protect and block (i.e., you're a jailkeeper) if he indeed was a follower, so I don't know what 'later' refers to here. How did you find out if not through Jirou? You're not making a lot of sense here.

My role told me I was a protector. When Jirou told me that my protection also blocked, I reasoned that I was either a form of a paranoid protector or a jailkeeper. I suppose the official name of this is jailkeeper.

Did Hiroki also check you out the same night Jirou followed you? I just wonder on what basis you trust one more than the other.

I trusted Hiroki more because I had been in contact with him since Day One, which in hindsight wasn't exactly smart.

You used it to protect a vanilla townie on night 4 because Norio asked you to, then you say you're not using it for that purpose anymore, and now you see the light again? Do you even try to make your story consistent?

Well, yeah. I didn't put two and two together and see that it was useful for protecting vanilla townies. Realizing that, I can see that I was wrong and that Norio was actually right.

Look, I can realize that it was my complete stupidity that I wasn't able to protect this vanilla townie on Night Six. I'm not even going to say it wasn't my fault; it's entirely my fault that I wasn't able to do this. By voting me out you'd be making a big mistake, my role is to protect and also block potential targets, ideal for protecting townies without actions. I'll be certain to get this action in tonight, though, unlike Night Six. However, I'm not sure if Norio still wants my help in protecting this certain townie, and I'm not sure who else is vanilla, so it might suit me better to not use it. I don't know.

[Capt. Redblade]

I was going to keep the Shiro train going, but now that Akira's opened his big mouth, I'm really tempted to vote for him. I just wish voting would start so I could decide.

What's that? It has? Okay, then.

Vote: Akira (Bob)

[Bob]

I was going to keep the Shiro train going, but now that Akira's opened his big mouth, I'm really tempted to vote for him. I just wish voting would start so I could decide.

What's that? It has? Okay, then.

Vote: Akira (Bob)

Yes, I've opened my mouth to explain why Norio's deductions are wrong. Would you care to explain why you're voting for me? Do you have a reason?

[def]

Here's where you're wrong. I protect/blocked Momoe on Night Two, since she was my wife and I figured I could try and see if she had an action based on how I blocked her.  

Just to point out you lying here. You claim now to have wanted to find out if she had a night action by blocking her, but in private, you claimed to simply be a protector.

I don't mean to be rude, but you're a bit wrong. There's two cops, or so this second person claimed to me. I'm sure you know that JimBee is a role-cop as well. He investigated me last night and found out that I'm a paranoid protector. I can protect every other night (night two was my first), and last night I protected Rufus. However, I also blocked Rufus as a result of this.

I am willing to work with you, but my action will be useless until Night Four.

Jirou told you after night two your role, so as of night two, you were claiming just to know you were protector.

A true Townie doesn't need to lie to the temple

[swils]

I wasn't speaking up in her defense because she left my group of trusted townies that fell apart. I was a bit sore that she didn't want to stick around and help out.

So you're a bit sore that Emi, a Yakuza, distanced herself from a group that consisted of two dead townies, and a proven Mutineer that betrayed you all? I certainly can't think of any rational reasons for distancing oneself from that group.

[def]

I was never playing a fool. I networked and reached out with others. And yes, Jirou's action could see the role but also it could see where your loyalties are. I should know, he specifically told me so. 

That's utter megablocks. He said to me he figured your role was town, not that he knew you were town. Let's see what Jirou had to say about you, shall we? (Sorry, Jirou, I know you wouldn't want me to repeat all this, so please understand )

Bob is really hard to communicate with. His short and vague replies really made me paranoid about his alliance (though I told myself that a paranoid doctor would never be scum), so really the only other option would be to go to you.

Does that sound like someone who check allegiances? Nope.

Townies don't need to lie to the temple.

Amazing after a week playing half asleep (ie. you can't be at your computer all the time) you all of a sudden woke up today!

I outed Jirou because I wasn't sure if I even trusted him myself. Sure, he told me he investigated and found I was a protector, but at the same time I had been talking to Hiroki, who was also a similar role. I decided to tell Norio the person I trusted less, Jirou, because I was sure that he would investigate and ensure that my and Jirou's claims were sound.

It's amazing how you knew I was the investigator on day three, since I was speaking for them. I was also speaking for the vig, and a few unexplained investigative-type roles (the hider and the mason leader), but you didn't definitely know I was one of those. You just knew I was the investigator. Of course, at that point, I hadn't caught Hiroki, so you couldn't even know if I was the cop, or something else all together.

Wow, you're a really smart guy! I think it more likely you have a connection to a scum role cop helping you.

[def]

I really can't believe that after all that, Emi was Yakuza. I know she was paranoid but that ended up costing her because no-one could vouch for her. As Norio has outed himself as the investigator, it's interesting that he was going on "gut feeling" by going for her and not seeing if she could be confirmed. Which brings us on to today, and Akira. I think the most telling thing here is the fact that they have a power role but didn't make it count. Very sloppy for a Yakuza. Is that worth a vote to lynch? Norio's copybook has been blotted a little bit, but nobody's perfect with their "scum-dar".

Please keep in mind, Akira outed me as the investigator, after that I acknowledged it. That is an anti-town activity. For what reason would you out the investigator in public As for gut-feeling, give me a break. This is mafia. You go with investigations if you can, and you use your head if you can't. I laid out my case for Emi, and people could choose to go with it or not. It wasn't me closing my eyes and blindly pointing at someone. With Akira today, it's based on a string of flimsy excuses after the fact, and a web of little lies. Did you notice how I've been able to quote lots of communication which contradict his take on things, while he's produced none? Do you want to call that gut-feeling too, or is it the job we're here to do?

The point here is not to have a perfect scum-dar, that's not going to happen, especially when the temple has a lot of very lazy members. The point is for you to be active and participating from day one, so you can have a solid defense of Emi. Her death is on the shoulders of lazy templies who just sit around waiting for the daily bandwagon.

Sorry, your input for the day really rubs me the wrong way. I've been blocked three or four times already, and of the investigations I did do, I caught two scum. On top of that, the point of the game is not to wait around for the cop. If a townie is found innocent, we're still doing a lynch that day. And that lynch is not based on "gut-feeling," no matter what Akira says (he thinks a web of half-truths is a gut-feeling ), so you should really rethink who you're taking cues from. The lynches are based on participation, the degree to which their stories hold up,and their reactions under pressure. But feel free to call that "gut-feeling" if you'd like more facepalms :facepalm: Feel free to offer up your hard evidence after the eight days we've spent in the temple.

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[Capt. Redblade]

Yes, I've opened my mouth to explain why Norio's deductions are wrong. Would you care to explain why you're voting for me? Do you have a reason?

No other reason than you are starting to reek of scum.

That's been a good enough reason for the last seven days, so I don't see why I can't use it here.

[Bob]

Just to point out you lying here. You claim now to have wanted to find out if she had a night action by blocking her, but in private, you claimed to simply be a protector.

Jirou told you after night two your role, so as of night two, you were claiming just to know you were protector.

I most certainly am not lying. I said I protect/blocked Momoe on Night Two because I was under the impression that I was a protector. I went back and said that I protect/blocked her because in reality that's what I did. I didn't know I was going to block her too, I found that out later. By "finding out if she had an action or not" I meant that since I found out later that Jirou's results also picked me out to be a blocker too, I would have been now able to see what action wasn't done on Night Two that may have been done on Night One.

So you're a bit sore that Emi, a Yakuza, distanced herself from a group that consisted of two dead townies, and a proven Mutineer that betrayed you all? I certainly can't think of any rational reasons for distancing oneself from that group.

At the time, yes. Emi and I were working very closely, and when Ichirou managed to screw everything up for himself and Hiroki got Tadao killed, it was soon Emi, myself, and Hiroki. Hiroki turned out to be a mutineer and then Emi abandoned helping me after several days of working with me.

That's utter megablocks. He said to me he figured your role was town, not that he knew you were town. Let's see what Jirou had to say about you, shall we? (Sorry, Jirou, I know you wouldn't want me to repeat all this, so please understand )

Does that sound like someone who check allegiances? Nope.

I'm not sure who you were talking too, but that certainly doesn't sound like how he spoke to me:

Hi Bob...,

I'm taking a bit of a risk here but I'm going to come out and say it. I'm the town rolecop. Last night I investigated you and I found that you were a Yakuza protector. I know you targeted Rufus and when I spoke to him he said he was blocked. I'm not sure what type of role you have since I got protector and Rufus said he was blocked, maybe a paranoid protector?

And my response:

I didn't know that I also blocked Rufus. My action only works on even days, so every other day. I guess I am a paranoid protector. It figures, the one game I get a night action it turns out that it's completely irrelevant.

And his response:

Theres a chance your role could be important. You'll just have to think about who you'll use it on.

That's when Jirou first started talking to me during Day Three.

Townies don't need to lie to the temple.

Amazing after a week playing half asleep (ie. you can't be at your computer all the time) you all of a sudden woke up today!

I've been very active except for Night six and Day seven. Other than that, I have been instrumental in getting rid of a Special Agent and two mutineers. I suppose you don't remember that though.

It's amazing how you knew I was the investigator on day three, since I was speaking for them. I was also speaking for the vig, and a few unexplained investigative-type roles (the hider and the mason leader), but you didn't definitely know I was one of those. You just knew I was the investigator. Of course, at that point, I hadn't caught Hiroki, so you couldn't even know if I was the cop, or something else all together.

Wow, you're a really smart guy! I think it more likely you have a connection to a scum role cop helping you.

Please keep in mind, Akira outed me as the investigator, after that I acknowledged it. That is an anti-town activity. For what reason would you out the investigator in public

Lie. Everyone, please go back to the first page of today and look at Norio's post in which he lists all the "evidence" against me. In a quote that he labeled from me, in private communication, he specifically posted

"What do you think of the quieter townies? Who hasn't been cleared by your ability?"

At no time did I ever say that Norio was the investigator or had any sort of power role until he posted that. It was at that time that I said I deducted that he was likely an investigator, but I wasn't sure. Then, instead of denying it, in his next post he says that "Yes, I am the investigator."

No other reason than you are starting to reek of scum.

That's been a good enough reason for the last seven days, so I don't see why I can't use it here.

I'm reeking of scum, hm? Did Emi reek of scum? According to Norio she did, and look where that's brought us. Norio's game is to lynch off townies that he feels "aren't helping". Since I'm apparently "not helping" even though I have a rather helpful night action and I missed the opportunity to submit it once, logically I'm a threat to the town.

[def]

This is an awesome scum flail you've got going on. If only we could harness that power for good

Since I'm apparently "not helping" even though I have a rather helpful night action and I missed the opportunity to submit it once, logically I'm a threat to the town.

No, it has nothing to do with all your lying today, this is because you missed a night action

[MetroiD]

Norio's game is to lynch off townies that he feels "aren't helping".

I must say I actually agree with that game plan. If you're going to just sit around and wait for the investigator's results, the daily bandwagon, or some fax by a higher consciousness letting you know who you should vote against, chances are you're not of much use to this Family.

Then again, that's not entirely the case with you as you have obviously helped on multiple occasions. And then all of a sudden you've just forgotten to put in your work for this Family, like that. I'm sorry but I've heard the "I'm so preoccupied with thoughts in my head about life outside the Temple" line way too often over the course of the last week or so. It never sounds right - if anything, it's a huge let down to all the other Townies, if you indeed are one, as you claim. And I'd be ready and willing to lynch any "Townie" that decides to use that lame excuse.

What bugs me though is that the more you tell your story, the more it seems full of uncertainty. You really can't help but change your mind on a constant basis, and unless we're looking at a prime example of bipolar disorder here, it seems we've got someone who's really trying very hard to say all the right things and reply to all the accusations in order to escape conviction. The one thing I do agree with you on, however, is that you really did not at any point directly out Norio as the investigator - you merely insinuated that he probably has that role, and he went out of his way to confirm that...

Focusing on someone else's game-plan and the fact that the Family slipped up by voting out Emi last night won't really help your cause too much, just like it didn't help Emi yesterday when she seemed to see the accusations against her as a sort of personal agenda. We're obviously not privy to all the info that's flying around, so we should be excused for lynching the wrong person. Once again though, if you knew something we didn't, you should have been on hand to stop us from doing so, and you weren't. And then you weren't there to do your work for the Family during the Night either. A bit of a coincidence, but at this stage of the game you have to agree that it really does smell and one can't help but wonder whether it wasn't also you who did slip up.

In any case, I'm sure the train I'm on right now leads through a pretty dark tunnel and would like to see the other side of it. I feel extremely irked by the fact that Daisuke has all but ignored my accusations yet once again - so if there's one thing you can do, that would be to share your concerns and previous info regarding him and try to be helpful, even if you're in a bad situation - as Ichirou did.

[Rick]

Here's where you're wrong. I protect/blocked Momoe on Night Two, since she was my wife and I figured I could try and see if she had an action based on how I blocked her. Then I protected ********, a vanilla townie. I saw no reason to protect this person again, their role was vanilla. And yes, I have obligations outside this temple/forum I attend to. I can't be expected to immediately send in my action and sit idly by at my door/computer for the next day to show up. I wouldn't have protected him even if I got my action in.

I most certainly am not lying. I said I protect/blocked Momoe on Night Two because I was under the impression that I was a protector. I went back and said that I protect/blocked her because in reality that's what I did. I didn't know I was going to block her too, I found that out later. By "finding out if she had an action or not" I meant that since I found out later that Jirou's results also picked me out to be a blocker too, I would have been now able to see what action wasn't done on Night Two that may have been done on Night One.

You really should have thought your defence through before you opened your mouth. Your story is full of inconsistencies and you're clearly lying here and there's no reason to lie if you're a Yakuza. I must say I wasn't entirely sure of lynching you today, but a bit of questioning seems to go a long way.

At no time did I ever say that Norio was the investigator or had any sort of power role until he posted that. It was at that time that I said I deducted that he was likely an investigator, but I wasn't sure. Then, instead of denying it, in his next post he says that "Yes, I am the investigator."

How's publicly saying you 'deducted' that Norio's an investigator a Yakuza thing to do?

Let's get rid of - hopefully - the last Mutineer.

Vote: Bob (Akira)

[swils]

How's publicly saying you 'deducted' that Norio's an investigator a Yakuza thing to do?

Well, in his defense, or what little he has, Akira wasn't the first to mention that today. Norio was relaying to us the conversations he'd had with Akira, and in doing so, brought up the time when Akira asked what he planned to do with "his role" on that night. Norio publicly questioned that line, and it was only afterwards that Akira came out and stated why he believed (not knew) that Norio was, in fact, an investigator. Earlier in the day, he even avoided revealing Norio's role, questioning the integrity of those who were reporting results to Norio.

Still, I can't understand why you wouldn't stand up for Emi yesterday. If I'm understanding it correctly, then, as I said before, Emi shied away from you after two yakuza in your small network ended up dead, and a mutineer was found amongst you. Given that those are the only names you've claimed to have been in that circle, I still side with Emi's decision to distance herself--of 5, 3 were dead, 2 of which were loyal family members. Are you really so spiteful as to let her get lynched yesterday (the answer, by the way, appears to be a "yes"). It also seems quite convenient that you have given us the names of those who were in your network, and all of them are quite incapacitated at the moment. Even Emi, who by her own admission was conservative in private and preferred to handle things in the public eye, can not verify your words.

[Rick]

It's not about Akira forgetting to send in his night action or even about him outing Norio as an investigator. My father's lying through his teeth. His story is clearly inconsistent. And as you know, there's absolutely no reason for a Yakuza to lie. First he says he targeted my mother in order to block her, then he claims to only know he blocks in addition to protecting after talking to Momoe. Also, from what I understand, Jirou was a follower and should have (and probably has) seen Akira block and protect Momoe on night 2 and should have (and again probably has) been able to tell Akira that he's a jailkeeper. Jirou just didn't know he was talking to a Mutineer.

There's simply no reason for a Yakuza to lie at this point.

[def]

Well, in his defense, or what little he has, Akira wasn't the first to mention that today. Norio was relaying to us the conversations he'd had with Akira, and in doing so, brought up the time when Akira asked what he planned to do with "his role" on that night. Norio publicly questioned that line, and it was only afterwards that Akira came out and stated why he believed (not knew) that Norio was, in fact, an investigator. Earlier in the day, he even avoided revealing Norio's role, questioning the integrity of those who were reporting results to Norio.

If you really think it is a matter of "believed" and not "knew"... First he said he took a wild guess (even though I was 'speaking' for a few people's roles), but then later on:

I'm not dumb, I can put two and two together. Of course I was able to deduce your role. Your logic is flawed, mostly because you're taking me for a simpleton.

So, either he didn't know, or he deduced it. And of course, I didn't claim it. I quoted him assuming it in a private communique. He then said he'd made a wild guess, and then had spoken as if it was a fact in private. That was where I caught him. Nobody else would do that. Maybe in private they would say, "you might be the investigator, but..." but I've never seen anybody make a wild guess, then state it as a matter of fact... Unless it was a scum slip up, which is what it was. It's just the way it is. The scum had a role cop. That way, they would know for a fact. Any other townie out there who would have said that I was an investigator, as a fact, based on what happened in public? No other townie has done so.

That, combined with him lying about Jirou clearing him (he didn't, I quoted Jirou's words to show he didn't); him claiming he was trying to block Momoe, then later claim he was trying to protect her; him agreeing to protect someone for me at the end of the day, then not doing it, and going further to say he wasn't going to anyway... His bitchiness in general today, complaining that I was leading the town in a clear vote against Emi...Do you remember yesterday? Emi had five out of twelve votes, and I clearly said it wasn't a clear-cut case. Now today, he wants to make it seem like I am leading you off a cliff by spilling about all his lying. Talk about a preventative defense.

Why the Hell haven't other people voted? This is about as clear a scum case as you're going to get. The fact that he doesn't already have ten votes against him is a clear sign that this is a lazy town, and possibly illiterate.

[Professor Flitwick]

Vote: Akira (Bob)

*sniff* I find it odd that several people have found him suspicious, yet say he has been moderately helpful. Have people forgotten that there are two scum teams (or a least, there were, if the Red Ninja is a formation of the two)? Just because someone was helpful in getting rid of someone from group 'X', doesn't mean they aren't a member of group 'Y', looking out for their own groups interests.

[Rick]

Vote: Bob (Akira)

I noticed I voted incorrectly.

Unvote: Bob (Akira)

Vote: Akira (Bob)

[swils]

If you really think it is a matter of "believed" and not "knew"...

Oh, I don't. I was just saying that, aside from all the inconsistencies and such today, this, at least, was one thing that he didn't start. It was your quote of a private conversation, and following question of it, that lead him to explain himself, in public, as believing that he had deduced your role, which you then followed with an admission of your role. It isn't a saving grace or anything even close, but with all else stacking against him, I just don't think it is a good idea to have anything misrepresented, such that it could somehow be twisted at a later point.

As far as why I haven't voted yet, maybe I'm just waiting for my favorite reptile to say something so horribly incriminating that she boots Akira right off the chopping block!

But no, I do believe I know where my vote is going today. As always, I have my suspicions about Lizzy, none of which have really been eased, but shes been par for the course today. There is still plenty of time left in the day, so I didn't see any reason to rush. Besides, Akira knows he's up the proverbial creek already, so stacking the votes early isn't likely to put any extra pressure on him. If anything, it would likely just ease pressure on some of our other suspects (notice how Daisuke has fallen off the radar, despite providing next to zero defense).

Seeing as how I can change my vote later if needed, and as of right now, Akira does seem like the obvious choice, I'd be happy to vote if you feel so strongly about getting it done early.

[MetroiD]

The fact that he doesn't already have ten votes against him is a clear sign that this is a lazy town, and possibly illiterate.

An annoyingly lazy Town indeed. I would have expected a very different approach from a true Yakuza family. Especially considering how we can vote multiple times throughout the day... What's been happening lately is just inexcusable. We need all of you to step up and be involved, don't you realize that? Stupid excuses in the vein of "I can't be around all the time" are well... just that, stupid. If you didn't want to be involved and are hellbent on letting us all know how much other stuff you've got on your hands, why did you step inside this Temple in the first place!?

Back to the topic at hand though.

Yes, Akira has been moderately helpful. And he also seems to have worked behind the scenes in order to gain other people's trust from the off. Just like a smart scumster would do. If we are indeed looking for the last Mutineer, then he most probably is not a silent no-good sideline observer such as Daisuke; and is instead trying hard to connect to us, make us feel like we can trust him in order to survive. The thing is, while it might have been working behind the scenes (although I personally never was in touch with him), the more he speaks out in public, the less convincing Akira sounds. The inconclusive logic and reasoning, as substantiated on multiple occasions by Kin, to me is a dead giveaway. As is the mere use of the phrase...

I most certainly am not lying.

...when you obviously are trying hard not to, but keep on doing just that.

Once again, I'll drop pursuing my interest in Daisuke, since he really just seems genuinely uninterested at this point anyway. I'm starting to wonder why this particular character even survived his brain trauma in the first place.

Unvote: Daisuke (K-nut)

The repercussions of potentially losing a loyal Yakuza would be very tough on the Family, but as I said above, every word he's said so far is making him look more and more distant from the term "loyal". Not to mention the fact that he's been a largely bit-part presence in the Temple so far (unless we count his behind-the-scenes dealings, of course), and now all of a sudden he starts responding to every single word that's said, all the while claiming that he previously didn't have enough time to contribute ...!?

Vote: Akira (Bob)

[def]

Oh, I don't. I was just saying that, aside from all the inconsistencies and such today, this, at least, was one thing that he didn't start. It was your quote of a private conversation, and following question of it, that lead him to explain himself, in public, as believing that he had deduced your role, which you then followed with an admission of your role. It isn't a saving grace or anything even close, but with all else stacking against him, I just don't think it is a good idea to have anything misrepresented, such that it could somehow be twisted at a later point.

In all honesty, I said that as a test of sorts, to see his reaction. I think if he were town, he would have been really delicate about discussing it, thinking there was some danger to it. But since he's scum, the identity of the investigator is just a matter of course, and something to throw onto his defense. Basically, he's not a townie.

[swils]

In all honesty, I said that as a test of sorts, to see his reaction. I think if he were town, he would have been really delicate about discussing it, thinking there was some danger to it. But since he's scum, the identity of the investigator is just a matter of course, and something to throw onto his defense. Basically, he's not a townie.

Fair enough. That he didn't hesitate to address it is a good point, and throughout the day, I haven't much thought of him as a townie as it was. I still don't like the idea of taking pressure off of other suspects so early. As far as Nobuo's reasoning that the quieter, less active folks are somehow less likely to be scummy than Akira over here: correct me if I'm wrong, but they *are* still here, aren't they? Even if the clock is winding down for them...

I don't mean to question Akira's scumminess, not in the least. The fact alone that he could have spoken up for Emi but chose not to for petty reasons, would have been plenty to draw my suspicions, but here he's given me, all of us, really, so many more reasons.

Vote: Akira (Bob)

[def]

Fair enough. That he didn't hesitate to address it is a good point, and throughout the day, I haven't much thought of him as a townie as it was. I still don't like the idea of taking pressure off of other suspects so early. As far as Nobuo's reasoning that the quieter, less active folks are somehow less likely to be scummy than Akira over here: correct me if I'm wrong, but they *are* still here, aren't they? Even if the clock is winding down for them...

well, I'm of the opinion that the silent masses are simply lazy, and they will all be taken care of either by investigation or by lynch... In a slow, laborious, unpleasant way, since games are much less fun when half the 'team' checks out.

[Bob]

It's a shame that I won't be able to protect someone tonight when the red killer ninja comes swinging around here coming after you guys. I suppose there's nothing at this point that can change your opinions of me.

How about this, I'm secretly an investigator, and I found Shiro's allegiance to be a Mutineer! Make sure you switch your votes to him!

Unvote: Daisuke (K-nut)

Vote: Shiro (Alopex)