Scubacarrot Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 "Because I don't watch The Clone Wars and mistook him for a 'she.' Apologies, Master Vebb, I am notoriously bad at noticing gender differences among Mon Calamari." It's Knight Vebb, I believe. And It's not a problem.
Flipz Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 You should've said it this way earlier, instead of: "I highly doubt the inactive players less attentive Jedi here would have noticed it if I had said it that way the first time. "
Brickdoctor Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Being agree? Maybe you mean "being angry", my dear mechanical friend. It seems that even droids can make errors. What makes you decide that they are "scum-tells"/"town-tells" or not? As we know that even droids make mistakes I don't understand why you state with such confidence that these people are neither scum nor townies. Yes, I meant to say, 'angry'. I didn't say that they were necessarily Town or Scum. I said that being angry and insulting people and arguing isn't evidence pointing towards Scumminess or Towniness. Both Scum and Town can be angry, insult others, and argue for a variety of reasons. I like to believe everyone reads the whole thread and can decide for themselves, and not do what prominent people tell them to, but that's probably just wishful thinking on my part. It probably is. Why does everyone keep referring to Vebb as a she!? It. Doesn't. Matter. It has no relevance to the lynch.
Darth Nihilus Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 You guys are not listening, I don't know for sure if Windu is or is not scum, I said this clearly in the past, I just think Corobb is more likely to be scum, hence my actions, my reasoning and subsequently when I got no awnsers: my vote. Corobb has defended himself, and has failed to convince me as of yet. If you guys think I'm trying to stop the vote for Windu, you are mistaken, does it look like that? I don't think so. Why would I do that?? It makes no sense, at all. But know that if we lynch Windu, and he turns out innocent, we will have gotten almost nowhere, I fear. As I said in the past, there is no case for Ashoka, and I feel the case against Windu was too weak, I think his behaviour is more due to inexperience(Or incompetence, he has been in a few games, however you want to call it) than anything else. Vote for who you want, but think it over. Perhaps I have been too rash with voting so early, but I hoped it would spark some action from Corobb, which it did, but not to my satisfactory, and he instead got defended by others for no real reason (Or is there?). To me it is clear, but it is also clear to me I won't convince many of you. Which is a shame. If my judgement still means anything, perhaps you should think about lynching Master Mon, his only contribution was a load of garbage, and he voted for no reason, so yeah... Yet you are turning the rest's attention away from Windu and Tano, the two scummiest people we have today. "The cases are weak?" What cases aren't? In all retrospect, unless there is a hard-tacks Investigator result, no case is certain. Indeed, the best leads we have today are simply a long line of defenses for other beings, starting with Ahsoka's strange idea of not voting and ending with Master Corobb's encouraging of people to not vote for you. Unfortunately, that's all we have to go on. Until tomorrow, and that's if the investigator chooses to reveal themselves/has someone else reveal their results, there is no such thing as a sure case. That is all. Relentlessness is usually a Townie-tell. Scum prefer to agree with you, hide in the middle ground, and not draw attention by continuing to pursue one person. Unfortunately, the Scum know that as well. If we simply assume that relentless players of this game of life are automatically Town, we're losing for sure. Everyone is under suspicion at this point, so there's nothing we can do but analyze behavior. Clcickity chirp chirp chirp. (I'm throwing out accusations at who I think is suspect. Many seem to think that Vebb is a Townie for his relentlessness, I presented the idea he could be a Scum who's using the relentlessness tactic, which worked for Ahsoka, to appear Town himself. The other three were just plain obvious. If there was an obvious Scum, would you expect me not to accuse him solely because others were as well? ) Yes, that's exactly what I think. If there is new info to be told on someone who is already a suspect, we should share it, despite the fact that the person is already suspect.
Scorpiox Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 As said, I doubt so far that Nahdar is on the dark side of the force. Logically, why would a scum act so openly against other people in this way on our first day? Nahdar has already earned himself a few fingers of suspiscion, and he must know it. Why would he take the risk if he were a bad one, surely his fellow scum would tell him not to act this way? I'm in no way defending him, I'm just putting my view out there, as we Miralians do.
Scubacarrot Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Yet you are turning the rest's attention away from Windu and Tano, the two scummiest people we have today. "The cases are weak?" What cases aren't? In all retrospect, unless there is a hard-tacks Investigator result, no case is certain. Indeed, the best leads we have today are simply a long line of defenses for other beings, starting with Ahsoka's strange idea of not voting and ending with Master Corobb's encouraging of people to not vote for you. Unfortunately, that's all we have to go on. Until tomorrow, and that's if the investigator chooses to reveal themselves/has someone else reveal their results, there is no such thing as a sure case. That is all. I did not say "The cases are weak." I said I felt the case against Windu is TOO weak. There is a difference. And yes, If I feel someone is more scummy than another, and lay my findings out, do I not automatically "turn attention away"? I feel like I am repeating myself here... If you feel you have a real case against me, give me your arguments, so I can respond...
Brickdoctor Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Unfortunately, the Scum know that as well. If we simply assume that relentless players of this game of life are automatically Town, we're losing for sure. Everyone is under suspicion at this point, so there's nothing we can do but analyze behavior. Oh, please. Can't we have at least one lynch without having to deal with the circular reasoning of "Scum know what's a Town-tell so Scum try to act that way"? If we treat tells that way, we'll never get anywhere.
Scubacarrot Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Something I must ask Miss Secura: If you still think Tano and Windu are the most scummiest people, what do you think of Mon and Seosty?
Peanuts Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Oh, please. Can't we have at least one lynch without having to deal with the circular reasoning of "Scum know what's a Town-tell so Scum try to act that way"? If we treat tells that way, we'll never get anywhere. My opinion exactly. Scum can't always be acting like townies, because at some point acting Town will hurt their own goals. So, we shouldn't lynch anyone who appears to be town, and especially not if others act scummy.
Scorpiox Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Something I must ask Miss Secura: If you still think Tano and Windu are the most scummiest people, what do you think of Mon and Seosty? I know that you're not asking me, but I hope you don't mind. *flutters eyelashes* I really don't know what to think about Ili. She turned up, said nothing much of use, then left. Seeing as we cannot withdraw our final vote, surely she'd at least have tried to decide properly and help us without just casting her only vote in an instant? Scum or not? I can't say at this point. But maybe we'll see how she reacts to suspicion, and hopefully we'll be more sure. Please stand up and speak Seosty.
TheBoyWonder Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 We are talking , yet barely any action has taken place. Mon is still free of votes, when Ahsoka still has votes.
Scubacarrot Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 We are talking , yet barely any action has taken place. Mon is still free of votes, when Ahsoka still has votes. If you feel so inclined, why don't you vote, if that is what you think is the right thing?
Darth Nihilus Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 I did not say "The cases are weak." I said I felt the case against Windu is TOO weak. There is a difference. And yes, If I feel someone is more scummy than another, and lay my findings out, do I not automatically "turn attention away"? I feel like I am repeating myself here... If you feel you have a real case against me, give me your arguments, so I can respond... Yes, but my point stands. Unless there is hard evidence via Power Role, anyone and everyone is suspect of being Town, and anyone and everyone is suspect of being Scum. I'm not making a case against you, just pointing out some suspicious activity I have noticed. It just happens to be about you. Oh, please. Can't we have at least one lynch without having to deal with the circular reasoning of "Scum know what's a Town-tell so Scum try to act that way"? If we treat tells that way, we'll never get anywhere. Unfortunately, no. It's the Scum's main goal in every holovid I've watched. They have to act Town, and if they've studied their Scum strategy book, one of the best ways to act Town is to do something people (or droids, in your case) would never expect them to do, such as be stubborn. Your plan, to see if someone acts "scummy", which is a series of behaviors that make one look like scum based on the personal opinion of the accuser, is purely based on the assumption that the Scum are inexperienced and/or your scumdar being sensitive enough to pick them up, both of which are maybes at best. I'm sorry, but if there's a Scum on their team that is as good as Chromeknight is experienced in these situations, we have to consider every possibility. Something I must ask Miss Secura: If you still think Tano and Windu are the most scummiest people, what do you think of Mon and Seosty? Perhaps I was a bit confusing in my previous statement; what I should have said is that Windu and Tano were the scummiest at the time that you began accusing Master Corobb. Since then, Master Monn and Youngling Seosty have become prime suspects as well, although I believe the latter's scumminess is due to a bad ear on her part when listening to Master Yoda's rules. Perhaps she thought she could always unvote later? Who knows. All I know is that everyone jumped on her for voting early, even though the case against Ahsoka had been done to death and there really was no need at that point for her to add more of the same points to the discussion. Master Monn was indeed very scummy in his vote, and I agree that he is a very good suspect for the lynch, but one statement isn't exactly enough to lynch someone on, now is it? My opinion exactly. Scum can't always be acting like townies, because at some point acting Town will hurt their own goals. So, we shouldn't lynch anyone who appears to be town, and especially not if others act scummy. In blunt terms: If Scum don't act like Town, then they die. That's it. You act scummy, say bye-bye to this life, 'cause someone's gonna pick up on it, and you're gonna get vig/SK-killed or lynched, or at the very least Investigated/Blocked/Watched/Tracked, and then probably lynched. Both you and the droid have the same general opinion that Scum are stupid and Town is smart, which is generally flawed reasoning at best. If the Scum were stupid, they wouldn't win anything in any of the holo-vids, but yet they do. We need to realize that sometimes, we're not smarter than the competition. If anything, this ordeal has made me realize that, especially in my little argument with Skywalker, wherein I think I was outsmarted on all fronts. I know that you're not asking me, but I hope you don't mind. *flutters eyelashes* I really don't know what to think about Ili. She turned up, said nothing much of use, then left. Seeing as we cannot withdraw our final vote, surely she'd at least have tried to decide properly and help us without just casting her only vote in an instant? Scum or not? I can't say at this point. But maybe we'll see how she reacts to suspicion, and hopefully we'll be more sure. Please stand up and speak Seosty. Somehow, I think that Youngling Seosty simply misunderstood the rules, but still, she's a major suspect, and I agree with the rest of your points.
TheBoyWonder Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Vote: Volvif Moon (JackJonesPaw) After thinking more I decided to go with my gut. He voted after every one had agreed Ahsoka was improving her contributions. This does not seem right, and it could be argued he was attempting to jump on the earlier suspected bandwagon. Mou had also added points to the discussion as well as posting 17 times while volvif had posted once and attempted to add information but it did not help as it was info we had discussed earlier.
Brickdoctor Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Unfortunately, no. It's the Scum's main goal in every holovid I've watched. They have to act Town, and if they've studied their Scum strategy book, one of the best ways to act Town is to do something people (or droids, in your case) would never expect them to do, such as be stubborn. Your plan, to see if someone acts "scummy", which is a series of behaviors that make one look like scum based on the personal opinion of the accuser, is purely based on the assumption that the Scum are inexperienced and/or your scumdar being sensitive enough to pick them up, both of which are maybes at best. I'm sorry, but if there's a Scum on their team that is as good as Chromeknight is experienced in these situations, we have to consider every possibility. Of course it's the Scum's goal. The point is that if you always assume that the Scum are trying to act like what you think is Townie, then you never get anywhere, because everything starts to look Scummy, except what is blatantly Scummy, so then you think that the Scummy ones are Townie, and then you think that the Scum know that because you think that the Scum know what looks Townie, and then you think that the Scum are acting Scummy in order to look Townie, and... you see what I mean? Circular reasoning like this is pointless and does nothing to help. And remember, they're trying to look Townie. Not be Townie. Because they're still Scum, and they're still doing Scummy things, they're just trying to make them look Townie. Sometimes it'll slip out, and sometimes, as Luminara says, they simply have to be done for the Scum to have a chance at actually winning this thing. Those are the things you have to notice.
Darth Nihilus Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Of course it's the Scum's goal. The point is that if you always assume that the Scum are trying to act like what you think is Townie, then you never get anywhere, because everything starts to look Scummy, except what is blatantly Scummy, so then you think that the Scummy ones are Townie, and then you think that the Scum know that because you think that the Scum know what looks Townie, and then you think that the Scum are acting Scummy in order to look Townie, and... you see what I mean? Circular reasoning like this is pointless and does nothing to help. And remember, they're trying to look Townie. Not be Townie. Because they're still Scum, and they're still doing Scummy things, they're just trying to make them look Townie. Sometimes it'll slip out, and sometimes, as Luminara says, they simply have to be done for the Scum to have a chance at actually winning this thing. Those are the things you have to notice. Okay, you've got me there, droid. I admit it, sometimes droids can be smarter than me. Not often, but sometimes. I do still think that we should cross-examine everyone, despite how Townie they look, but that might take a lot of time, which is one thing we don't have.
badboytje88 Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Yoda orCommander Gree could you inform us on the hours remaining in this day. With all that has been going on I totally lost track of time. I don't want to miss voting due to me losing track of time. I just don't know who to vote for. Discussion has been going from left to right and I am still debating on who I should vote for.
ADHO15 Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Me too. To me, young Nahdar seems like he's trying to be too influential on people's votes and I do not like it. Master Windu has not done or said anything to help his case/at all(?) since he was accused a few hours ago yet it seems Nahdar wishes us not to vote for him. Maybe I am missing something, but whoever it was that suggested Nahdar and Vebb seem to be working together struck something with me and so I'm tempted at the moment to say... FoS: Mace Windu (Nightshroud99)
Scubacarrot Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Me too. To me, young Nahdar seems like he's trying to be too influential on people's votes and I do not like it. Master Windu has not done or said anything to help his case/at all(?) since he was accused a few hours ago yet it seems Nahdar wishes us not to vote for him. Maybe I am missing something, but whoever it was that suggested Nahdar and Vebb seem to be working together struck something with me and so I'm tempted at the moment to say... FoS: Mace Windu (Nightshroud99) Nahdar and Vebb working together... That seems... Highly possible . In all seriousness, I addressed this earlier, and don't feel like repeating myself, (again). And how am I being influential if I try to make people think for themselves and say people should not just do what the most prominent people say?
Scorpiox Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 It is nearly time for my sleep meditation, and I have made my decision. Master Windu is still under suspicion, yet has said nothing to conclusively disprove accusations. I'm quite temtped to vote for him. He pushes upon Corobb, who blantantly wasn't scum-telling at the time. Then, when Padawan Ahsoka is being accused, he's more than happy to backtrack and jump on her. If he seriously thought that Corobb was in the dark side, then why change like that under pressure? Cowardly, and suspicious. I will Vote: Mace Windu (Nightshroud99) Why turn Master? Ili Seosty is one to watch although. Has been no help and voted with no real consideration, and still hasn't responded to us. I believe it is time for meditation and rest. May the force be with you all. Anyone care to come and kiss me goodnight?
Jedi master Brick Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 After meditating for several hours the force has guided me to b] Fos:Foul Moudama (Kadabra) [/b]. My reasoning is: *He has not bought anything new to the discussion *His vote was in the expectation of a bandwagon. He saw one vote was already placed agains Asoka and expected the rest of the Jedi to follow, for me this is a scum trying to blend in. *He has posted a random post just clicking, thus causing confusion. Ideal for scum. The other alternative is he is an extremely confused jedi
Scubacarrot Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 I must agree with Miss (You are single, right?) Offee, I find it highly disrupting that people, who are under suspicion I might add, just flatout refuse to respond. It does not help your cases, and if you are innocent, it only helps the scum. This goes for everyone by the way, there are a bunch of people that don't seem to bother chiming in. Come on guys, do something.
Palathadric Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 "Click chirp tweet, tweet screech screech clack chirp chirp chirp tweet." (Well, now I feel stupid for voting. I was under the impression that a conviction of either Padawan Tano, Master Windu, or the droid R2-D2 was likely to be reached while I rested, and therefore I cast a reckless and early vote for my number 1 suspect, who has since produced some solid defenses which have been corroborated and augmented by others [see, I told you there were solid defenses that could be produced ], and I now regret my hasty decision. This is a temple of Jedi, not rash commoners, and haste is not our way of life. I fear I may have made a grave mistake due to the no unvote rule and the fact that only a plurality, not a majority, is required for a lynch. My new suspicions are, Seosty for starting the bandwagon that I so rashly joined, Windu for his excessive fencesitting, and Voolif Mon, for his long, semi-useless recap and then hopping onto the bandwagon without offering any solid evidence. As for my tunnel-vision, I was strongly convinced I had found a scum and was attempting to focus in on her in order to drive her to slip up and reveal her scumminess, or else move off my Scumdar. As she has done the latter, I shall attempt to find a new Scum out of those I listed previously. FoS: Illi Seosty (Sisco) Fos: Mace Windu (Nightshroud) Fos: Voolif Mon (JackjonesPaw) This is ridiculous and one of the scummiest things I have seen. "Oh! I'm so sorry I voted, I didn't know. Here are a couple suggestions of other people you can all vote for." Seriously? Oh, well, you're still not incredibly high on my scum list, but you're rising slowly but surely. Click chirp tweet chirp. (At least 2 people should vote for Master Windu so Padawan Tano is not lynched due to my rashness should time run out, unless you believe a better candidate will present himself in the meantime.) What?!? You want people to vote for someone who you now suspect so that your vote won't stand. Please do not ask others to vote or not vote for anyone. It's annoying. Let everyone decide on their own. If we think Ahsoka is worthy of a lynch, we will lynch her and if we think Master Windu is worthy of a lynch, then we will lynch him.
Jedi master Brick Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Moudama, your accusation against Seosty basicly is "Se did the same thing as me which is really scummy. ". Sorry though but you voted for the same person, you joined the bandwagon. So in a way you are saying we should suspect you and possibly vote for you
Palathadric Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 So your argument is that the Town will think that activity is Townie, but the Scum will know that the Town thinks that, so the Scum will be active, but the Town will know that the Scum will know that the Town thinks that activity is Townie, so the Scum will appear Townie, but that's just what the Scum wants the Town to think, so the Town should go after the active beings instead? Oh, this could go in circles for forever. Agree with you, but that is why it is ridiculous to lynch somebody based on how active they have been. Scum could post a lot in an attempt to look like town, or they could post very little in an attempt to not look like a scum pretending to be town. Does this make any sense? I hope it expresses what I'm trying to say.
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