LOTR & The Hobbit 2012

Pulp Detective · September 4, 2012

There is a difference. With the films and the Lego line, which is based on them, there are several distinctions among the forces of evil. Seen on screen:

Isengard Uruk-hai: Lurtz, Ugluk, Mauhur and the legions of the White Hand. Tall, strong, fierce and well armored in regulated, mass-produced gear. Immune to Sunlight damage. The most dangerous threat to the Fellowship outside of the Nazgul, Lurtz slays Boromir and almost defeats Aragorn in single combat.

Mordor Orcs: Mostly seen as scouting parties sent out by Sauron at various points. Grishnakh is one such Mordor Orc. Not huge fans of the sun, but they seem to be able to function in it well enough. Weaker than Uruk-hai (as demonstrated when Ugluk decapitates the snivelling Snaga - Meat's Back On The Menu Boys.)

Isengard Orcs: Not really distinguishable from Mordor Orcs, but they generally attend to different tasks - they demonstrate a skill with the industry taught by Saruman, and also are masters of Warg-riding (the film orc Sharku who is killed by Aragorn before the BoHD).

Morannon Orcs: Somewhat distinguishable from the other Orcs in the films, these brutal Orcs emerge from Minas Morgul and the plains of Gorgoroth, and 'have no love of sunlight,' only functioning effectively after the shroud of Sauron reaches Minas Tirith. Strong in force and many in number, they easily overcome the Gondorians in a straight fight, but are butchered by the Rohan cavalry.

Mordor Uruk-hai: Poorly equipped, ragtag knockoffs of Saruman's glorious horde, the Mordor Uruk-hai are uncommon and are seen only in Cirith Ungol, where they riot against the Morannon/Morgul Orcs. Only a few are seen surviving after the battle for Sam to finish off, demonstrating their only marginal superiority to Orcs (as opposed to Saruman's notably more effective Uruk-hai). Only the strongest and smartest, Shagrat, escapes with the Shiny Shirt to deliver to The Mouth Of Sauron.

Moria Goblins: Stunted and weak, these foes are easily dispatched one-on-one by even the Hobbits. They have no skill with metalworking, as their armor is rusty and jagged, unlike Orcs or especially Uruk-hai. They seem to have no interest in venturing outside, for their large eyes and small statures are better suited to tunnel dwelling. However, they are extremely agile and are able to climb walls with ease (Unlike the Uruk-hai or Orcs, who require ladders or siege towers to scale walls. An army of 200,000 goblins would have been far more effective against Minas Tirith!). Whereas Uruk-hai stand up straight and run in daylight, and Orcs slouch but move quickly all the same, Goblins happily run on all fours.

All in all, Tolkien never had an interest in drawing a distinction, but Jackson's films definitely improve on the generic mook-bad grunts of the trilogy by giving them diversity applicable to their habitat and purpose. Thus, in the Jacksonverse, Goblins are agile cavedwellers, Orcs are a rabble legion, and Uruk-hai are elite, standardized and regimented.

Hmmm intresting,yea there are many diff species of orc and urk-hais but I bet we'll se more in the Hobbit like the goblins from the lonely mountain.

just2good · September 4, 2012

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And nonetheless, even if those heads were never made, I can't see how it's not kid friendly.

Not that it is, but they've done things similar to that before. We already got a few types of orcs done in LEGO form,

I can see the Great Goblin being done in a similar style, just a bit more gross but hey, it is based on the movies...

If kids buy these they'll probably have seen the films already and thus the corresponding character.

The Great Goblin does look freaky, but I think kids can handle it. I do think LEGO may make him look a bit less detailed and more cartoony though.

Oh, and don't forget these freaky minifigure head pieces, both from Atlantis:

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Edited September 4, 2012 by just2good

deskp · September 4, 2012

Actually I cant see the difference between orcs and goblins,I call them all goblins,but there is something that make the difference between orcs and goblins right??I mean goblins have pointy ears orcs are just bold.

So far PJ's goblins have had large ears, those special noses and large eyes. They are also smaller than normal orcs

I'm guessing this is the orc u've seen LINK

So far the orcs have looked much more diverse than the goblins where they all looks very similar.

Pulp Detective · September 4, 2012

So far PJ's goblins have had large ears, those special noses and large eyes. They are also smaller than normal orcs

I'm guessing this is the orc u've seen LINK

So far the orcs have looked much more diverse than the goblins where they all looks very similar.

Yep thats the orc I was talking about and thanks for the pic,well I bet its from the hobbit so I guess we'll get more brownish orcs atleast for this year.

deskp · September 4, 2012

Yep thats the orc I was talking about and thanks for the pic,well I bet its from the hobbit so I guess we'll get more brownish orcs atleast for this year.

If the set names we know about are real, we won't have any more orc-orcs this year. Just Goblins,wich are fleshy/beige colored (so far)

Angeli · September 4, 2012

I'm just saying thats all,after all LOTR isnt a theme for kids but I hope they wil make him look like the movie maybe a new head mold.

I hate head molds - my point of lego is combining stuff together, and with molds, you can not do that...

I love taking armor from star wars, head monster fighters, helmet from space police 3, add mummy wings and body of cheerleader from CM1 :) With molded heads you can not play like that :( I've bought few of them, blinded by their great looks, but I do not use those nowdays at all...

Deathleech · September 4, 2012

They are obviously not gonna reuse the moria orcs in the great goblin set, but for what its worth the normal goblin we got image of does recemble the moria orcs ;)

Are people so obsessed with gathering alot of one figure that they don't want variety?

If that is the final great goblin, then I'm pretty sure it justifies a new mold.

I don't mind if there is variety, I just don't want goblins in the LotR being green and now suddenly in the Hobbit they are a pale pink color and look totally different. I like continuity. Who knows though, maybe it will be explained in the movie somehow, or the great goblin will be a different color because he is a special case and so he is more easily distinguishable like the dwarves all are (not that he needs to be with that ugly mug!), while the rest of the goblins are the normal greenish coloring.

Also, other than a Balrog set, we prolly won't see any other sets with Moria goblins/orcs so I do hope they reuse the same design at lease a few more times :sceptic:

deskp · September 4, 2012

I don't mind if there is variety, I just don't want goblins in the LotR being green and now suddenly in the Hobbit they are a pale pink color and look totally different. I like continuity. Who knows though, maybe it will be explained in the movie somehow, or the great goblin will be a different color because he is a special case and so he is more easily distinguishable like the dwarves all are (not that he needs to be with that ugly mug!), while the rest of the goblins are the normal greenish coloring.

Also, other than a Balrog set, we prolly won't see any other sets with Moria goblins/orcs so I do hope they reuse the same design at lease a few more times

Well uniformity with orcs/goblins shouldn't be expected nor wanted. :sweet:

Bilbo Baggins · September 4, 2012

More than a new head mould, I hope the Goblin King is made with a new piece such as Chewbacca's or Sponge Bob's.

deskp · September 4, 2012

More than a new head mould, I hope the Goblin King is made with a new piece such as Chewbacca's or Sponge Bob's.

Yeah, if that image is the final design he needs soemthing more than jsut a head.

SirBlake · September 5, 2012

Well uniformity with orcs/goblins shouldn't be expected nor wanted.

Agreed. The motley variety is part of the appeal to me. I'd be disappointed if any Hobbit orcs/goblins looked like Moria orcs from LotR

Deathleech · September 5, 2012

Well uniformity with orcs/goblins shouldn't be expected nor wanted.

I'm fine with different faces and armor. Obviously those would be different. I don't want all green goblins in LotR though, and suddenly they are all pink.

deskp · September 5, 2012

I'm fine with different faces and armor. Obviously those would be different. I don't want all green goblins in LotR though, and suddenly they are all pink.

They are not from the same breed tho.

Multiverse · September 5, 2012

More than a new head mould, I hope the Goblin King is made with a new piece such as Chewbacca's or Sponge Bob's.

Wouldn't those pieces be new head moulds?

deskp · September 5, 2012

Wouldn't those pieces be new head moulds?

But it would be more than just a head mold like he said.

Pulp Detective · September 5, 2012

At the end of the day I believe the Great Goblin himself will be a new mold not his head I mean look at him he might be even bigger from the average minifig,like the cave trolls just a bit smaller.But it depends from the movie how he realy looks from the sneak peeks we cant see many things until we'll see him in his full scale."The goblins in the Misty Mountains are “super gross.” Considering the orcs we've already seen, that's saying something!" taken from here http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/09/what-we-learned-about-the-hobbit-movies-at-dragoncon .Check it out guys it talks about the upcoming Hobbit movies and few spoilers,and as you can read yourself the orcs from the movie will be even more uglier from the original trilogy.

Edited September 5, 2012 by LOTR343

Bilbo Baggins · September 5, 2012

Just as the article, I am surprised by the lack of images of Smaug. I wonder if TLG received some to produce a Smaug.

deskp · September 5, 2012

Just as the article, I am surprised by the lack of images of Smaug. I wonder if TLG received some to produce a Smaug.

There won't be any smaug in the first movie. he might not even have been finalized yet.

He is a 2. movie main piece.

Deathleech · September 6, 2012

We will get better wargs in the Hobbit movies as the production team was not happy with them in the original LOTR trilogy.

Interesting. So it sounds like they ARE changing the look of the wargs for the Hobbit. I'm a little disappointed we will lose the continuity between all the films, but hopefully the new wargs will look amazing. I am wondering if Lego will have two different warg molds now, if they will just use the same design for sets from both trilogies, or if they will only make a warg set for one or the other (I am guessing the ladder).

Edited September 6, 2012 by Deathleech

deskp · September 6, 2012

Interesting. So it sounds like they ARE changing the look of the wargs for the Hobbit. I'm a little disappointed we will lose the continuity between all the films, but hopefully the new wargs will look amazing. I am wondering if Lego will have two different warg molds now, if they will just use the same design for sets from both trilogies, or if they will only make a warg set for one or the other (I am guessing the ladder).

It was mainly the quality of the CGI PJ complaied about after Two Towers. I imagine the new wargs wont be that diferent. form the banner art it seems they will be pretty much the same with abit more narrow face.

I think 2 warg molds from lego is highly doubtfull even if they look diferent enough.... well it depends how long the themes go for and how successfull they are.

the warg attack in two towers isn't a very good set building wise, so its not needed.

Pulp Detective · September 6, 2012

It was mainly the quality of the CGI PJ complaied about after Two Towers. I imagine the new wargs wont be that diferent. form the banner art it seems they will be pretty much the same with abit more narrow face.

I think 2 warg molds from lego is highly doubtfull even if they look diferent enough.... well it depends how long the themes go for and how successfull they are.

the warg attack in two towers isn't a very good set building wise, so its not needed.

Yep I can hardly imagine a set based on the warg attack from Two Towers,there is nothing to build actually the scene is just hourses and wargs,but I believe the wargs from the Hobbit we'll be different and better designed and if the upcoming rumored Hobbit set is true "Attack of the Wargs" we'll get at least two of them and I'm still have high hope for new eagle molds.

Edited September 6, 2012 by LOTR343

Darth Caedus · September 6, 2012

With a Warg mold being produced for The Hobbit Wave 1 (in all likelihood), this means we will likely see an Warg battle set from The Two Towers, priced at $20 or under. It would allow them to reuse the Horse 2.0, a Warg mold, as well as the Orc hair/ears and Rohan elements. Cheap, easy to produce and fills a gap as a solid armybuilder so they spend money on expensive new elements like a Fellbeast or somesuch. Do we NEED another battlepack with Rohan guys in it? Not as much as we need Gondorians, but if they released a $20 set with a couple wargs and a couple rider, or a $12.99 with one of each, I'd probably buy half a dozen.