Fives Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 And, in any case, a Lego dwarf's head would be the same size as a Lego human's. It is not a matter of the head, but rather the legs. But anyway, I don't think LEGO will change their skeleton design in any case. Still, it is nice to see the return of the loose armed skeletons, rather than the ones win battle droid arms.
Teh Stud Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 It is not a matter of the head, but rather the legs. But anyway, I don't think LEGO will change their skeleton design in any case. Still, it is nice to see the return of the loose armed skeletons, rather than the ones win battle droid arms. I wold prefer zero skeletons or one at most...with more goblins! Oh well, I guess I'll have to build a crypt at some point.
Elander Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) I too think that the best chance of seeing the Witch King outfit will probably be in a battle of Pellenor set with Eowyn, Merry and Theoden. Or LEGO do produces these "Collectible Minifigure Series" alike impulse sets. And if I think serious about this, than I've to say that this idea really fantastic is! Here would finding all the missing characters like the Witchking (white shiny demon style for the Weather top)/ or "maybe" Haldir (armor style for Helm's Deep) the right place. Also you can fill up your armies with special orcs (for example warg riders), elfs, dwarf warriors or soldiers. -> for the first wave for example: Moria Goblin (addition for Mines of Moria) impulse set and Lothlorien Elf (addition for Helm's Deep) impulse set. But why call this impulse series "Collectible Minifigure Series"? -Of to live up to one's name needs those minifigures special prints: The arms and legs must be printed like this one: And now is these "Collectible Minifigure Series" really an special minifigure series. The Moria Goblin could look like those two. He get for example bow and arrow, an drum, targe and sword. Does anyone know for sure that the Elf in the helms deep set is Legolas and not Haldir? I expect it will be Legolas but you never know. http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/lord-of-the-rings-lego-image-battle-of-helms-deep.jpg And here is Haldir: If you look left over the wall you see in dark colors an elf. This elf has the same colors like Haldir. Yes, I would say that IS Haldir. Edited December 21, 2011 by Peppermint_M Removed Deeplinked Images
Professor Flitwick Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 It is not a matter of the head, but rather the legs. But anyway, I don't think LEGO will change their skeleton design in any case. Still, it is nice to see the return of the loose armed skeletons, rather than the ones win battle droid arms. I also suspect it might also be confused with a child's skeleton, which may cause some controversy for TLC. If you look left over the wall you see in dark colors an elf. This elf has the same colors like Haldir. Yes, I would say that IS Haldir. I sure hope so; I'd love to see my favourite character immortalized in Lego!
Khorne Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Or LEGO do produces these "Collectible Minifigure Series" alike impulse sets. And if I think serious about this, than I've to say that this idea really fantastic is! Here would finding all the missing characters like the Witchking (white shiny demon style for the Weather top)/ or "maybe" Haldir (armor style for Helm's Deep) the right place. Also you can fill up your armies with special orcs (for example warg riders), elfs, dwarf warriors or soldiers. -> for the first wave for example: Moria Goblin (addition for Mines of Moria) impulse set and Lothlorien Elf (addition for Helm's Deep) impulse set. But why call this impulse series "Collectible Minifigure Series"? -Of to live up to one's name needs those minifigures special prints: The arms and legs must be printed like this one: And now is these "Collectible Minifigure Series" really an special minifigure series. The Moria Goblin could look like those two. He get for example bow and arrow, an drum, targe and sword. I don't think LEGO will do this. They didn't do it with SW, even if they could've made tons of Collectible Minifigure Series with the insane amount of characters Star Wars has. Fact is, LEGO is a kid's toy and kids want to play with the movie characters and invent there own stories concerning the characters. I don't think most kinds are into the whole collect-all-characters thing in the same way adults are. Why would LEGO release a €2 Collectible Witchking Minifig if they could sell the same fig in a "Limited Edition" €80 set? They want to make as much profit as possible, so they'll keep the special figs for the special (expense) sets. So if a kid really, really wants the Witch King so his Frodo fig can fight him, he'll have his parents buy him the expense set. Same goes for the Moria Goblin set you proposed. Where's the fun in that for kids? Some Goblins and a drum? There's no adventure to be had with that. No great story to be told with two evil creatures, some weapons and a drum. Don't take this wrong, your idea sounds nice and as a LotR fan and AFOL I would love do see LEGO to a Collectible LotR figs line, but it's just not that feasible in reality . And here is Haldir: If you look left over the wall you see in dark colors an elf. This elf has the same colors like Haldir. Yes, I would say that IS Haldir. I still think it's Legolas. It would make more sense to include him, but Haldir would be awesome indeed .
Fives Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) I also suspect it might also be confused with a child's skeleton, which may cause some controversy for TLC. I sure hope so; I'd love to see my favourite character immortalized in Lego! Short skeletons in LEGO would just be a bad idea. I am pretty positive that it is Haldir. You can tell because in the lineup in the Moria set, Legolas has a greenish body and what looks to be grey pants, whereas in the Helm's Deep lineup, the elf A: has a cape, and B: has a reddish looking body. On the note of elves, I really hope that TLG has some sort of special hair-quiver piece, much like Jack Sparrow's hair-hat piece. The quiver could just be part of the hair that goes down the back, giving the look of a quiver sitting there. Of course, this would make it impossible to have the figs turn their heads and it look right, but I think we will already have to give up that for the new long hair anyway. Edited December 21, 2011 by Fives
Elander Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) I don't think LEGO will do this. They didn't do it with SW, even if they could've made tons of Collectible Minifigure Series with the insane amount of characters Star Wars has. Fact is, LEGO is a kid's toy and kids want to play with the movie characters and invent there own stories concerning the characters. I don't think most kinds are into the whole collect-all-characters thing in the same way adults are. Why would LEGO release a €2 Collectible Witchking Minifig if they could sell the same fig in a "Limited Edition" €80 set? They want to make as much profit as possible, so they'll keep the special figs for the special (expense) sets. So if a kid really, really wants the Witch King so his Frodo fig can fight him, he'll have his parents buy him the expense set. Same goes for the Moria Goblin set you proposed. Where's the fun in that for kids? Some Goblins and a drum? There's no adventure to be had with that. No great story to be told with two evil creatures, some weapons and a drum. Don't take this wrong, your idea sounds nice and as a LotR fan and AFOL I would love do see LEGO to a Collectible LotR figs line, but it's just not that feasible in reality . I still think it's Legolas. It would make more sense to include him, but Haldir would be awesome indeed . Concerning main characters alike the shiny Witchking could you're right, but concerning normal warriors, I think is an impulse series realistic. For example like this: Ok, the last image with the big drum was unspectacular, but with helmet and weapons is the Moria Goblin for kids good enough (my thought). Question: Is it for LEGO possible to mold a shiny sword for Frodo's sword Sting? It could be that he will to meet some orcs in some child's rooms. And for that case he must be aware! Edited December 21, 2011 by Elander
deskp Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) If you look left over the wall you see in dark colors an elf. This elf has the same colors like Haldir. Yes, I would say that IS Haldir. I still think it's Legolas. It would make more sense to include him, but Haldir would be awesome indeed . If you look a few pages back you see an image I posted of the minifig from the "index" on the box and it is Haldir! They did not joke around when they called the minifigs collectible there are very few repeats of minifigures in these sets. Question: Is it for LEGO possible to mold a shiny sword for Frodo's sword Sting? I really hope they dont do chrome swords, they always looks so out of place. Edited December 21, 2011 by deskp
Teh Stud Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 If the minifig list is accurate, I'm very pleased by the variety. I plan on purchasing every set, (and multiples of many when the wife isn't looking), so I'm glad I won't have a ton of Frodo's! Of course if the torso, head and hair are great I won't mind... I'll use them to create more peasants or unique figs in MOCs. It is the Harry Potter figs I can't stand. What are you supposed to do with dozens of Griffendor sweaters?
Fives Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 That's the thing I like about LOTR more than Harry Potter: It doesn't really have a central title character, but rather a fellowship. It makes sense that Frodo would only be in some of the sets. A lot of the good action scenes don't even involve Frodo. Also, did anyone else notice that three of the sets (two of which Frodoth is in) are of scenes where Frido gets stabbed (Weathertop, Balin's Tomb, Shelob's Lair). I just found that a bit funny.
Tyrant Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 I don't think LEGO will do this. They didn't do it with SW, even if they could've made tons of Collectible Minifigure Series with the insane amount of characters Star Wars has. Fact is, LEGO is a kid's toy and kids want to play with the movie characters and invent there own stories concerning the characters. I don't think most kinds are into the whole collect-all-characters thing in the same way adults are. Why would LEGO release a €2 Collectible Witchking Minifig if they could sell the same fig in a "Limited Edition" €80 set? They want to make as much profit as possible, so they'll keep the special figs for the special (expense) sets. So if a kid really, really wants the Witch King so his Frodo fig can fight him, he'll have his parents buy him the expense set. Same goes for the Moria Goblin set you proposed. Where's the fun in that for kids? Some Goblins and a drum? There's no adventure to be had with that. No great story to be told with two evil creatures, some weapons and a drum. Don't take this wrong, your idea sounds nice and as a LotR fan and AFOL I would love do see LEGO to a Collectible LotR figs line, but it's just not that feasible in reality . SW has contractual issues with that idea, otherwise I think it is a safe bet that they would do it. TLG isn't allowed to sell just SW figures without some kind of set along with it as it constitutes an "action figure" at that point and Hasbro has the license for action figures (and they have demonstrated their willingness to to engage in legal matters over that point). All SW minfigures have to come with some kind of sets. TLG has twice has sets of just figures (the old ones with the character cards and more recently the magnets) and twice they have stopped. If the announcement is being read correctly, then I think it is possible that LotR will have seperate figures. I hope they do so I can hopefully have a second way to amass armies, though the idea of using it as a means to distribute alternates (ghost witch king, etc) is interesting.
omegabob Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 A lot of the good action scenes don't even involve Frodo. I would say, most of the good action scenes don't even involve Frodo. And the idea of Frodo getting stabbed in all his Lego "scenes" is funny.
Fives Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 I would say, most of the good action scenes don't even involve Frodo. And the idea of Frodo getting stabbed in all his Lego "scenes" is funny. And the reason they are good action scenes is because Frodo is not in them! But enough Frodo bashing.
CMP Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 I did like the end when Gollum returned to fight Frodo, and, well, Osgiliath was decent. But he was more of a bystander in that one...
Chromeknight Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Also, did anyone else notice that three of the sets (two of which Frodo is in) are of scenes where Frodo gets stabbed (Weathertop, Balin's Tomb, Shelob's Lair). I just found that a bit funny. That's because of the books, and by extension the movie. Frodo's quest succeeds not because of his strength or ability to avoid being stabbed, but because of his endurance, being able to get back up after being stabbed. Frodo is not the traditional (american) hero-type, although he does neatly illustrate many of Campbell's observations about the hero's journey.
Fives Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 That's because of the books, and by extension the movie. Frodo's quest succeeds not because of his strength or ability to avoid being stabbed, but because of his endurance, being able to get back up after being stabbed. Frodo is not the traditional (american) hero-type, although he does neatly illustrate many of Campbell's observations about the hero's journey. Of course, I realize this. I actually just recently wrote an assignment for school on The Hobbit, and discussed how Bilbo is an anti-hero, very similar to Frodo. I just was making an observation of how it just happens that these sets are all scens in which Frodo is stabbed.
Weil Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Of course, I realize this. I actually just recently wrote an assignment for school on The Hobbit, and discussed how Bilbo is an anti-hero, very similar to Frodo. I just was making an observation of how it just happens that these sets are all scens in which Frodo is stabbed. I don't really think Frodo is an anti-hero if the definition is what I think it is. Frodo is more of an (incredibly) unlikely hero. An anti-hero as I understand it is someone who is morally dubious and has un-idealistic traits like selfishness yet is still the 'hero' of the story. Captain Jack Sparrow is a pretty good example. Edited December 22, 2011 by Weil
Fives Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 I don't really think Frodo is an anti-hero if the definition is what I think it is. Frodo is more of an (incredibly) unlikely hero. An anti-hero as I understand it is someone who is morally dubious and has un-idealistic traits like selfishness. Captain Jack Sparrow is a pretty good example. I suppose you are right, but from what I understand, and anti-hero is someone who does not want to be involved in stuff, but is stuck there anyway, much like both Bilbo and Frodo. Then again, I may be wrong, because what you said about Jack Sparrow makes sense.
CMP Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 The Ring is what makes Frodo like he is. I don't thing he's much like an anti-hero.
Fives Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 The Ring is what makes Frodo like he is. I don't thing he's much like an anti-hero. I guess so. if it weren't for the Ring, Frodo would not have changed like he did, whereas Bilbo changed just because he went on a grand adventure. Speaking of Bilbo, I'm really excited to see how they do the sets for The Hobbit. I don't think there will be as many new beards as people are expecting, seeing as a bunch of the dwarves have shorter beards that can just be printed on. I could see beards being made for Balin and Dwalin, Oin and Gloin, Bifur, Bombur, Nori and maybe Ori. Thorin, Dori, Filli, Killi and Bofur have shorter beards that can just be printed on the heads of the figs.
CMP Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 I guess so. if it weren't for the Ring, Frodo would not have changed like he did, whereas Bilbo changed just because he went on a grand adventure. Speaking of Bilbo, I'm really excited to see how they do the sets for The Hobbit. I don't think there will be as many new beards as people are expecting, seeing as a bunch of the dwarves have shorter beards that can just be printed on. I could see beards being made for Balin and Dwalin, Oin and Gloin, Bifur, Bombur, Nori and maybe Ori. Thorin, Dori, Filli, Killi and Bofur have shorter beards that can just be printed on the heads of the figs. Bilbo was just a quiet hobbit, what do you expect for one who nearly gets killed no less than 3 times? Well, the Series 3 Fisherman's beard can do for some of them. Then there's the 2 dwarf beards, Blackbeard's, Sensei Wu's, the original...I doubt we'll get all 13 dwarves anyway, cool as it would be. If we're lucky, we may get a new one with Gimli and it might be used for some of Thorin's company.
Weil Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) I suppose you are right, but from what I understand, and anti-hero is someone who does not want to be involved in stuff, but is stuck there anyway, much like both Bilbo and Frodo. Then again, I may be wrong, because what you said about Jack Sparrow makes sense. There's perhaps a better case for Bilbo but I still wouldn't use that term to describe him. Frodo surely is involved by his own accord he just wishes he didn't have to be. If Frodo was an anti-hero he would have either just said sod this I'm going back to the shire someone else can do it when the going got tough or (without being compelled by the power of the ring) try to take the one ring for himself. Frodo is essentially the ultimate (though unlikely) hero as the whole war of the ring really has nothing to do with him and he has no personal gain by taking part but goes all the way to mount doom despite the hardship because of his morals and his compulsion to do goood for the world. Well, the Series 3 Fisherman's beard can do for some of them. Then there's the 2 dwarf beards, Blackbeard's, Sensei Wu's, the original...I doubt we'll get all 13 dwarves anyway, cool as it would be. If we're lucky, we may get a new one with Gimli and it might be used for some of Thorin's company. Yeah I think you may be right but at least we might see some new colours. I personanlly hope they try to spread the dwaves out beyond the first wave, otherwise there'll have to devote so many of the minifigures in the sets to them that you'll get hardly any generic figures. Edited December 22, 2011 by Weil
Fives Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Bilbo was just a quiet hobbit, what do you expect for one who nearly gets killed no less than 3 times? Well, the Series 3 Fisherman's beard can do for some of them. Then there's the 2 dwarf beards, Blackbeard's, Sensei Wu's, the original...I doubt we'll get all 13 dwarves anyway, cool as it would be. If we're lucky, we may get a new one with Gimli and it might be used for some of Thorin's company. I'm pretty sure LEGO would make a new beard for Gimli. Also, they will have to give us all thirteen dwarves, or they may as well call the sets "Bunch of little people running around with swords". All of LEGO's previous beard designs are becoming too old, and with this being a licensed theme, they will probably be sure to make as many new moulds as possible so as to make the sets more expensive.
Gryphon Ink Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) I don't really think Frodo is an anti-hero if the definition is what I think it is. Frodo is more of an (incredibly) unlikely hero. An anti-hero as I understand it is someone who is morally dubious and has un-idealistic traits like selfishness yet is still the 'hero' of the story. Captain Jack Sparrow is a pretty good example. Well, although you do hear it used that way a lot, the dictionary defintion of an anti-hero is "a protagonist or notable figure who is conspicuously lacking in heroic qualities" (Webster) or "a central character who lacks conventional heroic attributes" (Oxford). Frodo is very much an anti-hero, who by nature only wants to run away, hide the Ring, give it to some other powerful keeper or basically anything but bring it to Mordor. He has no military prowess or skills, is not particularly brave or charismatic, and constantly listens to the wrong people. He just keeps slogging on, and his role is to be the Everyman. Even in "slogging" he falters quite a bit, and it's actually Sam who grows most as a hero - in the books he has quite an adventure rescuing Frodo. This gets cut down a bit in the movies, keeping Sam more in the "bumbling sidekick" role. EDIT TO ADD: yes, Jack Sparrow is a classic anti-hero, but Frodo is one too. Edited December 22, 2011 by Gryphon Ink
Fives Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Well, although you do hear it used that way a lot, the dictionary defintion of an anti-hero is "a protagonist or notable figure who is conspicuously lacking in heroic qualities" (Webster) or "a central character who lacks conventional heroic attributes" (Oxford). Frodo is very much an anti-hero, who by nature only wants to run away, hide the Ring, give it to some other powerful keeper or basically anything but bring it to Mordor. He has no military prowess or skills, is not particularly brave or charismatic, and constantly listens to the wrong people. He just keeps slogging on, and his role is to be the Everyman. Even in "slogging" he falters quite a bit, and it's actually Sam who grows most as a hero - in the books he has quite an adventure rescuing Frodo. This gets cut down a bit in the movies, keeping Sam more in the "bumbling sidekick" role. EDIT TO ADD: yes, Jack Sparrow is a classic anti-hero, but Frodo is one too. I disagree about Sam being kept as a bumbling sidekick in the movies, at least in ROTK. Sam truly becomes the hero in ROTK, especially when he is separated from Frodo on the Stairs. I know that this is not in the books, but I feel that this separation at the hands of Gollum only reenforces the Ring's power over people, and how Sam is the only hope for Frodo. Like Frodo says at the end of The Two Towers movie, Frodo would not have been able to do it without Sam.
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