BigRedGoat Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Not sure if I'm allowed to link this, but someone got an overhead shot of the LOTR sets from the London toy fair a couple days ago: Edited January 27, 2012 by BigRedGoat
Nightshroud99 Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Not sure if I'm allowed to link this, but someone got an overhead shot of the LOTR sets from the London toy fair a couple days ago: Ahh so close yet so far away. EDIT: Is the set on the far left the Orc Forge?? Edited January 27, 2012 by Nightshroud99
Saruman the White Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 As a response to the discussion about orcs (and their heads): I'm quite sure that those are going to be molds as well, to be able to represent pointy ears. I just wonder how they'll make the helmets fit them then, though. But we'll see. Perhaps a bit similar to the 'friends' system, as I hope you can choose to make them bald (or give them some kind of hairpiece that fits with orcs) or to give them a helmet. ~ General Magma The orcs ears are only a bit pointy unlike the elves so it would be perfectly exceptable to leave out the slightly pointy ears. Ahh so close yet so far away. EDIT: Is the set on the far left the Orc Forge?? You are correct and if you want to see it more clearly then vist the Orc forge article on brickipedia, if the image hasn't been taken down yet.
Ardelon Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Ya, this is the best way for LEGO to do it, and I believe it will become a trend with most orcs who need it. Also, on the discussion of variety in orcs, I wouldn't be surprised if we get three different Mordor orc colours: olive green, sand blue and tan/dark tan. Then, on all the olive green heads, they would have the same two expressions on the front and back of the head. The same would be done for the two other colors. This would allow for six different Orc faces to be available, which would cut down on cloned orcs considerably. Sand blue orcs ? Not that I would mind, it's just not the color that comes to mind when imagining orcs. I'm not sold on the goblins and orcs being separate creatures, anyway. The book refers to orcs in Moria, and as for the pic of the goblin that people use to show the difference between orcs and goblins, I take it simply as a sign of variation between orcs, with both terms being equal. But maybe the movies made a clear differentiation somewhere? The point is, I see no reason for "goblin" figs to be different than orc figs.
Pate-keetongu Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Goblin is basically a hobbit word for Orc. The orcs of Misty Mountains are usually referred as goblins and they are shorter than orcs of Mordor or Uruk-Hai. All of those go under the word Orc. Gandalf's cart seems must-get, but I'll wait for finnish prices of Moria and Uruk-Hai army. 2012 has suprisingy small number of sets that I have to get, so I can propably afford getting those two. The cave troll looks very promising.
deskp Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Sand blue orcs ? Not that I would mind, it's just not the color that comes to mind when imagining orcs. I'm not sold on the goblins and orcs being separate creatures, anyway. The book refers to orcs in Moria, and as for the pic of the goblin that people use to show the difference between orcs and goblins, I take it simply as a sign of variation between orcs, with both terms being equal. But maybe the movies made a clear differentiation somewhere? The point is, I see no reason for "goblin" figs to be different than orc figs. The reason is that in the movie they are diferent, the the moria orcs(goblins) have adapted to living in a cave, so they have larger eyes and longer ears also their armor/helmets are kindof unique. It looks as though "Orc forge" has uruk-hai and goblins, not a new orc. But it
Seaber Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) I'm not sold on the goblins and orcs being separate creatures, anyway. The book refers to orcs in Moria, and as for the pic of the goblin that people use to show the difference between orcs and goblins, I take it simply as a sign of variation between orcs, with both terms being equal. But maybe the movies made a clear differentiation somewhere? The point is, I see no reason for "goblin" figs to be different than orc figs. Goblin is basically a hobbit word for Orc. The orcs of Misty Mountains are usually referred as goblins and they are shorter than orcs of Mordor or Uruk-Hai. All of those go under the word Orc. In the movies they are shown to be physically different (Goblins have green skin and larger eyes). I know in the books they are different words for the same thing, but they are used in the movies to contrast the 'free' Goblins of Moria to the 'servant' Orcs of Sauron and Saruman. Also, as the Goblins live underground they need the larger eyes to make the most of the small amounts of light. Edited January 27, 2012 by Seaber
Fives Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Sand blue orcs ? Not that I would mind, it's just not the color that comes to mind when imagining orcs. I'm not sold on the goblins and orcs being separate creatures, anyway. The book refers to orcs in Moria, and as for the pic of the goblin that people use to show the difference between orcs and goblins, I take it simply as a sign of variation between orcs, with both terms being equal. But maybe the movies made a clear differentiation somewhere? The point is, I see no reason for "goblin" figs to be different than orc figs. The reason for sand blue is that, in ROTK, many of the orcs that attack Minas Tirith have variation with the color of their skin. The orcs bred to attack the White City are a special breed of orcs that have more skeleton-like faces, and some of them have blue skin, while others have tan skin. The orcs of Isengard ( not the Uruks) have green skin, so I could see the orcs in the Orc forge set having that skin color. Also, I've noticed some people are saying that he orc forge has some Uruks and some goblins, but could it just be that the figs from the two sets got mixed up, like at some past toy fairs, where people will move the figs around.
General Magma Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Aye, I had forgotten about that earlier executed idea of adding ears to hairpieces. However, my problem is that most orcs do not have hair, so if they go for regular heads, I certainly hope that they'll find a way to do that. I hope we'll be seeing new helmets though, and some very orcish armory. I'd be looking forward to add those to my already existing orc army.. The orcs ears are only a bit pointy unlike the elves so it would be perfectly exceptable to leave out the slightly pointy ears. While that is true, they also gave the goblins those pointy ears, so I doubt they're going to ignore those that the orcs have. ~ General Magma
Nagyzee Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I've always thought that goblins are just orcs living in the Misty Mountains. This goblins vs. orcs differentiation is quite confusing.
TheDoctor Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I always belived that goblins were uncommanded orcs that have no order and are in different 'tribes'. But, when saruman starts his armies he takes the goblins and gives them orders and the means to build weaponary at which point they become more developed orcs. So orcs are more intelligent than goblins and its just coincidental that the only goblins shown in the film were in the mines with big eyes while others do exist. As for Uruk-Hai, obviously genetically modified Orcs, however the origins are never confirmed, the most popular theory is that they are Human-Orc Hybrids. Either way, I'm darn excited for this line!
Fives Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I've always thought that goblins are just orcs living in the Misty Mountains. This goblins vs. orcs differentiation is quite confusing. In the books, there is very little differentiation between orcs and goblins. But, in the films, there is a huge physical difference. The goblins are much shorter, and have spindly arms and legs, similar to a bug of sorts. Also, they have large eyes and green skin. The orcs, however, vary quite a bit. The orcs under Saruman's control have green skin but red eyes. The orcs of Mordor have variations in skin color, ranging from green to red to grey. They can also vary in height. Then the tallest and most sophisticated of the orcs are the Uruk-Hai. They are as tall as a man, if not taller, and are known to have a reddish skin color. Just thought I would try to clear that up.
TheDoctor Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Uruk-Hai. They are as tall as a man, if not taller Actually the Uruk-Hai are on average only 5' 5", slightly shorter than man Back on topic though, this wont even be represented on a lego scale. But im still interested to see how they'll be represented, especially the goblin ears... Edited January 27, 2012 by TheDoctor
Yacapo Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I still so psyked for this! I hope they represent everything good.
The Real Walkers Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Really looking forward to this series!! Onyl going to buy Gandalf's Arrival, Weathertop and possibly the Helms Deep wall though I need to start saving for university
Vindicare Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) After getting the birds-eye-view of the sets, they're starting to grow on me a bit. Helms Deep, especially looks nothing like that blurry image we saw months ago. I'm a big fan, although not fanatical( ), like some here. I was previously excited for just the figs, but the overall theme is starting to warm my wallet. Damn as I might, I probably won't resist these. LEGO is a drug, I tell you! WWWHHHYYY!!! Edited January 27, 2012 by Legocrazy81
deskp Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Actually the Uruk-Hai are on average only 5' 5", slightly shorter than man Back on topic though, this wont even be represented on a lego scale. But im still interested to see how they'll be represented, especially the goblin ears... In the movie they are taller than average men.
Dwellington Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) "Uruk-hai" simply means "Orc-folk" in the Black Speech. In the books, they were specifically the biggest, the meanest, and the only ones who would travel by daylight without wigging out. They were in Mordor long before Saruman started breeding them, and it was the Uruks who took Osgiliath. Fun fact: they wanted as many 6 foot plus guys as they could get for the films, but to fill the ranks, they did end up casting 5 and a half guys. Those warriors became known as the Uruk-lows. Edited January 27, 2012 by Dwellington
surrideo Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I hope when Lego start to release pictures/promotion commercials for this line they emphasise the compatability of some of the sets. I know for some people the piece count/size will never be enough, but I think the modular nature of the sets is a great thing in a licenced theme such as this and will encourage kids big and small to realise their own visons of middle earth.
brickswindler Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I'm surprised that Saruman is absent from the first wave of LOTR sets. I was expecting to see him in Orc Forge, but no, Saruman has been left out. I suppose I'll have to make a custom Saruman using Count Dooku's head. After all the same actor plays both parts
Teh Stud Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 I'm surprised that Saruman is absent from the first wave of LOTR sets. I was expecting to see him in Orc Forge, but no, Saruman has been left out. I suppose I'll have to make a custom Saruman using Count Dooku's head. After all the same actor plays both parts As someone else pointed out already, it is great Saruman was left out for anyone wanting to purchase multiple sets. Everyone wants one Saruman fig, but I would think most people don't want two... My guess is Saruman will appear later in an Orthanc set.
Artifex Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 I'm guessing Orthanc/Isengard will be divided in many sets -- Orc Forge is just the first one. We'll probably have something like: * Rescue at Orthanc: the top of Saruman's fortress with Saruman, Gandalf and Gwaihir, the Windlord; * Chamber of the Palantir: some sort of office/library with Saruman, Grima and the Palantir/The Eye of the Enemy (and why not an impulse with Saruman, a small table/desk/pillar and the Palantir/Eye of Sauron?); * Battle of Isengard: a round black wall with orcs fighting ents (with 4-5 you can get a full round wall for the big "Saruman set" -- see below); * The Tower of Orthanc: 2-3 floors of the black tower of Saruman (maybe even modular in nature, but if you get multiples you can have a high tower anyway). That's just my guess... Or wishful thinking -- call it what you will
Fives Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 I'm guessing Orthanc/Isengard will be divided in many sets -- Orc Forge is just the first one. We'll probably have something like: * Rescue at Orthanc: the top of Saruman's fortress with Saruman, Gandalf and Gwaihir, the Windlord; * Chamber of the Palantir: some sort of office/library with Saruman, Grima and the Palantir/The Eye of the Enemy (and why not an impulse with Saruman, a small table/desk/pillar and the Palantir/Eye of Sauron?); * Battle of Isengard: a round black wall with orcs fighting ents (with 4-5 you can get a full round wall for the big "Saruman set" -- see below); * The Tower of Orthanc: 2-3 floors of the black tower of Saruman (maybe even modular in nature, but if you get multiples you can have a high tower anyway). That's just my guess... Or wishful thinking -- call it what you will I could see this happening, but as one big set, and with no Gamdalf and Gwaihir. I think if anything is to be split up it will be Moria and Minas Tirith.
Teh Stud Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 Artifex, That would be great! It would really slick if each of the sets stacked to form a giant tower...
Seaber Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 I'm guessing Orthanc/Isengard will be divided in many sets -- Orc Forge is just the first one. We'll probably have something like: * Rescue at Orthanc: the top of Saruman's fortress with Saruman, Gandalf and Gwaihir, the Windlord; * Chamber of the Palantir: some sort of office/library with Saruman, Grima and the Palantir/The Eye of the Enemy (and why not an impulse with Saruman, a small table/desk/pillar and the Palantir/Eye of Sauron?); * Battle of Isengard: a round black wall with orcs fighting ents (with 4-5 you can get a full round wall for the big "Saruman set" -- see below); * The Tower of Orthanc: 2-3 floors of the black tower of Saruman (maybe even modular in nature, but if you get multiples you can have a high tower anyway). That's just my guess... Or wishful thinking -- call it what you will This would be great! But I think if Lego did make Isengard, they'd release Orthanc tower as one set (with office and palantir as you said, and maybe a sort of throne room or potions lab, to spice it up) and maybe another set with Treebeard with a wall section and dam for the 'release the river' sequence.
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