Technic duels!

[Omikron]

So we had super cool competition TSTTS!

With prizes and all stuff. But such competitions will be rare (1 time in a year i think)

But I have an idea! I was registered on some other forums and they had "DUELS"

People were dueling each other just for fun or titles and were gaining a lot of experience.

The "duel" had no restriction for participants quantity, the major restrictions were time limit, a theme of a duel, MOC class(size, functions etc).

After the time limit simple public vote determined the winners.

What do you think?

[timslegos]

Sounds work intensive for the modes (poor Sinner ), but it does sound like a good idea. I think it could lead to some hurt feelings though. So people would compete for titles?

tim

[DLuders]

Parts List on Flickr Edited May 10, 2012 by DLuders

[Omikron]

Sounds work intensive for the modes (poor Sinner ), but it does sound like a good idea. I think it could lead to some hurt feelings though. So people would compete for titles?

tim

The basic idea is to have fun while challenging others creativity and skills.

New technic builders can gain a lot of building experience while participating.

Also sharing ideas and their realization is much more effective and here is why.

People are building tons of different things - boats, tanks, planes, trial trucks, gearboxes etc. but you cannot use new cool suspension in your car because 90% of MOCs in this month are not cars. And those which are cars have regular suspension.

Now during the duel(month) all participants (like 20 or more) built cars and bam! 3 new suspension types!

Titles are more like souvenirs. "car duel participant 11.05.12" "car duel gold winner 11.05.12" and so on

Edited May 11, 2012 by Omikron

[dr_spock]

Choose your weapon.

Technic Lightsabre by dr_spock_888, on Flickr

[88high]

The basic idea is to have fun while challenging others creativity and skills.

New technic builders can gain a lot of building experience while participating.

Also sharing ideas and their realization is much more effective and here is why.

People are building tons of different things - boats, tanks, planes, trial trucks, gearboxes etc. but you cannot use new cool suspension in your car because 90% of MOCs in this month are not cars. And those which are cars have regular suspension.

Now during the duel(month) all participants (like 20 or more) built cars and bam! 3 new suspension types!

Titles are more like souvenirs. "car duel participant 11.05.12" "car duel gold winner 11.05.12" and so on

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A TON OF FUN!!! I completely support you! I am ready and eager for some duels! Bring it!

Here are some themes:

•fastest car

•stunt car

•tank

•army

•half track

•strong trialtruck

•auto gearbox

•monster truck

•wacky cars

•land and water cars

•drift cars

•limousines

•low riders

•sportscar

•construction equipment

•dumptrucks

•trial trucks

•2-wheeled vehicles (motorized)

•walkers

•omnidrives

•rock crawlers

•4-link susp trialtrucks

•pendular susp trialtrucks

•Tatra contest

•unimog contest

•helicopter

•transmissions

•differential locks

•wheelie cars

That should get us started. let's Go!!!!

[Darth Dino]

Hi

that reminds me to a Donald Duck comic from the mid-80s.

Donald was duelling himself with his neighbor. Both had noisy lawn mower ;)

At first they where manual, later remote and at the end full of weapons (hammer, circular saw etc.) to destroy the other one ;)

We could for example build MOC just out of the excavators parts and lets see who is winning ;)

Dino

[Saberwing40k]

Heh, i was actually going to challenge efferman to a duel. I have to admit, this is a good idea.

[allanp]

This could be great (tho I sadly don't have the time right now to compete ). A tournament would be fantastic. It would start with, say, 32 contestents, dualing in pairs. The 16 winners would then dual in pairs. Then the 8 winners would dual and so on until you get one winner.

[Omikron]

Well we need to organize all this.

Also we need moderator's help to control the voting

[Lipko]

How about some kind of Team Death Match (without death)?

[Omikron]

How about some kind of Team Death Match (without death)?

Would be great!

[Sariel]

What do you think?

Great way to make people angry at each other. Seriously, bad idea. Nothing to actually gain from it, but a lot of hurt feelings in long run.

[Omikron]

Great way to make people angry at each other. Seriously, bad idea. Nothing to actually gain from it, but a lot of hurt feelings in long run.

Following your logic there must be no sport, Olympic games or any competition

Edited May 12, 2012 by Omikron

[Sariel]

Following your logic there must be no sport, Olympic games or any competition

You completely miss the point. Most kinds of sport and Olympic games are held in the spirit of respectful competition - and even that often fails, as you can realize when you see what certain football fans do. Putting two people in a "duel" creates two opponents, one of whom must suffer defeat. Some people are mature enough to have no hard feelings in such situation, but most aren't. And no offense, but your concept doesn't seem very respectful so far - for example the word "duel" has many less aggressive synonyms.

Your idea is not necessarily bad, but can easily get out of control. It would be another story with a team competition, but you want to make it personal. When some immature participants join in - and they will, sooner or later - it will turn into one hell of a fuss. I see dozens of ways for a defeated participant to undermine the winner's position - he can for example say that you failed to select an opponent on his level and you're going to have a really tough time figuring out how to pair contestants on some irrefutable basis. Is there some objective matching system for builders and their MOCs? I don't see one.

What you're missing is that sport, Olympic games and any serious competition follows a complex set of rules to make sure everything is played fair. What about your rules? So far your idea seems to lead to "I'm better than you" kind of contest, and this is what kids do. We have many ways of appreciating good builders that don't make people feel defeated, and most importantly I don't know any accomplished builder who has an urge to prove himself better than another person. You know, maybe there is a reason why this idea doesn't come from some of the more experienced and recognized builders (no offense, but I only found one MOC of yours)?

[Edwin Korstanje]

I think the same way as Sariel,

This contest give a lots off fights an angry builders.

[dr_spock]

How about some kind of Team Death Match (without death)?

You can't have a proper duel without pain, bruises, cuts, blood and death.

I think this will work if all the duelers are in one physical place with the same weapons or amount of pieces to keep it fair and even and monitoring. Dueling on the Internet does not lend itself to proper oversight and refereeing.

[Siegfried]

As a quick point, I don't hate the idea but it'd require some extra staff (I don't have time for it), and from a personal note it is hard to not get personal with things like this. Long term EB members will note that me and Hinckley had contests years ago; I won the first, he won the second... we still haven't done the third.

[Lipko]

Well, it was just a quick idea. I was thinking about some on-line cooperation building of some sorts, where a big challenge is communication between the team members.

Anyhoo, a thread was promised about comments on the TSTTS contest, where the whining should be placed

(Because IMHO some issues with duels are present with contests too)

[Omikron]

You completely miss the point. Most kinds of sport and Olympic games are held in the spirit of respectful competition - and even that often fails, as you can realize when you see what certain football fans do. Putting two people in a "duel" creates two opponents, one of whom must suffer defeat. Some people are mature enough to have no hard feelings in such situation, but most aren't. And no offense, but your concept doesn't seem very respectful so far - for example the word "duel" has many less aggressive synonyms.

Your idea is not necessarily bad, but can easily get out of control. It would be another story with a team competition, but you want to make it personal. When some immature participants join in - and they will, sooner or later - it will turn into one hell of a fuss. I see dozens of ways for a defeated participant to undermine the winner's position - he can for example say that you failed to select an opponent on his level and you're going to have a really tough time figuring out how to pair contestants on some irrefutable basis. Is there some objective matching system for builders and their MOCs? I don't see one.

What you're missing is that sport, Olympic games and any serious competition follows a complex set of rules to make sure everything is played fair. What about your rules? So far your idea seems to lead to "I'm better than you" kind of contest, and this is what kids do. We have many ways of appreciating good builders that don't make people feel defeated, and most importantly I don't know any accomplished builder who has an urge to prove himself better than another person. You know, maybe there is a reason why this idea doesn't come from some of the more experienced and recognized builders (no offense, but I only found one MOC of yours)?

Football fans are not football players, aren't they?

Who said it will be "personal disrespectful competition without rules with the idea of "I'm better than you""? Where did you get that anyway?

Maybe there is a reason why there was no such idea or maybe not.

[Sariel]

I suggest you re-read my post once you've had a chance to cool off.

[Omikron]

I suggest you re-read my post once you've had a chance to cool off.

I'm cool as liquid nitrogen

[Sariel]

Well then, if I'm wrong, prove me wrong. You haven't answered the issues I pointed out, you just sounded angry with me.

[Paul Boratko]

Great way to make people angry at each other. Seriously, bad idea. Nothing to actually gain from it, but a lot of hurt feelings in long run.

Completely agree... I have gotten enough crap from other builder's fanboys in the past... To be quite honest, I think all competitions between builders is kind of dumb... Didn't someone create a Tension between Builders thread here just last week...?

As everyone knows, I only build cars and I also do my best to help and promote other people's work who also build in the Automobile theme... I don't like to think that I have to compete with them... That kind of defeats what my main goal as a builder is...

Edited May 12, 2012 by Paul Boratko

[Omikron]

Well then, if I'm wrong, prove me wrong. You haven't answered the issues I pointed out, you just sounded angry with me.

Asking a few questions = angry? (also you didn't answer them)

How so?

About the issues:

1. Putting people in any competition always makes those who wins and those who loses.

More important, my concept has no material prize, so you cannot be frustrated by "losing unimog to another builder".

2."duel" - I don't know why do you find this word aggressive.

Could you explain why?

3.Why do you think that I want make it personal?

4.Why do you think that there will be no rules?