Land-Rover Defender 110

[JunkstyleGio]

Many concratiulations to sheepo for getting this wonderful model to 10,000 votes on Cuusoo.

It will be hard to get it produced. A Cuusoo productionmodel will probably need to be sized down with over a 1,000 pieces and with a couple of PF-motors less.

Never the less it is impressive that this model gets the votes.

when will the nezt review-meeting take place again on Cuusoo-models?

[Rijkvv]

Congratulations Sheepo!

@JunkstyleGio: the next deadline is March 4th.

[JunkstyleGio]

Just in time then for the defender...

Let's keep our fingers crossed!

[Blakbird]

Glad to see this get 10,000 votes and it is good timing since I am building it right now. Having now seen it first hand, I am sure it would have to change quite a bit to become and official LEGO product. The first issue of course is the sheer part count. I think a lot of reduction could be made in the bodywork since that alone is 1600 parts and could probably be brought down to 100-200 if it looked more "hollow" like a regular Technic model. Then there is the complexity of the chassis. In my opinion, the gearbox is the most important part of this model that I would not want to see disappear. Therefore the minimum motorized requirements would be drive, gearbox, and steering. The brakes, transfer case, and 4WD selector could probably be made manual which would save a receiver and a few motors. Unlike the 9398 though, I would guess that with 2XL drive motors this thing is perfectly capable of destroying gears which would be an impediment to being a real model. They'll have to work that somehow. And this is all assuming they can get past the Land Rover licensing issue.

Good luck! I would love to have a simplified official version of this to compare with the original on my shelf. This is the first Technic model to get through Cuusoo so I will be interested to see what happens.

[allanp]

I wonder if Cuusoo has the power to create new parts. If so the gearbox could be simplified dramaticly and easier/more intuative to build as well as being 100% reliable right from the start even when built by a child. As it is it is pushing the limits of technic and ideal for experienced builders, not so much for TLGs target audience.

Edited March 1, 2013 by allanp

[colinrichardson]

Maybe this got mentioned somewhere else, but Sheepo's 110 got mentioned in wired.com's article about Lego's Cuusoo program. It must have been researched before the 10k mark was passed. To me, it's the best kit mentioned in the piece, but some of the others are pretty compelling.

[Meatman]

It's scary to think of how many things will be eliminated from Sheepo's model to meet Lego's strict criteria.

Many concratiulations to sheepo for getting this wonderful model to 10,000 votes on Cuusoo.

It will be hard to get it produced. A Cuusoo productionmodel will probably need to be sized down with over a 1,000 pieces and with a couple of PF-motors less.

Never the less it is impressive that this model gets the votes.

The problem is that everyone that voted for the model to get through supported it based on those PF motor features, so if they are removed, people are going to be upset. The Lego/Cuusoo team are going to have their hands full with this one.

[Tkavan01]

It's scary to think of how many things will be eliminated from Sheepo's model to meet Lego's strict criteria.

The problem is that everyone that voted for the model to get through supported it based on those PF motor features, so if they are removed, people are going to be upset. The Lego/Cuusoo team are going to have their hands full with this one.

I would guess they aren't sweating it at all, they will just reject it like many of the others with little explanation, but really they are too lazy to do the work.

[DLuders]

Andrej from Slovenia" sent me an e-mail with these two attachments for Sheepo's Land Rover Defender 110, and he wanted me to make them available for download:

PDF "Parts List by Color"

PDF "Parts List by Number"

He wrote, "Sheepo has published BrickStore part list for his Land Rover. I thought that ''Technic community'' would rather have PDF part list, so I made one. Actually two -- one part list is sorted by colour, and the other one is sorted by part number. But, because I don't have any file sharing account, I would ask you, if you would be so kind, and publish the files, and then post links in Sheepos Land Rover thread."

[davidmull]

I'm not sure how cuusoo works but it does not seem fair if this set doesn't go ahead in a scaled down version to reduce cost.

It's got over 10k but yet it could be still turned down :(

[Meatman]

I'm not sure how cuusoo works but it does not seem fair if this set doesn't go ahead in a scaled down version to reduce cost.

It's got over 10k but yet it could be still turned down :(

I think scaling it down would defeat the primary reason why it got so many supports in the first place.

[Blakbird]

I'm not sure how cuusoo works but it does not seem fair if this set doesn't go ahead in a scaled down version to reduce cost.

It's got over 10k but yet it could be still turned down :(

The vast majority of models which have achieved 10,000 votes on Cuusoo have ultimately been rejected by LEGO.

I think scaling it down would defeat the primary reason why it got so many supports in the first place.

As it turns out, Cuusoo is not really about models, it is about ideas. LEGO wants feedback on what fans are interested in. In this case, I think the Defender 110 shows that fans are interested in a UCS style Technic set of unprecedented complexity. I think it is unlikely they will accept the Land Rover partially because it is licensed and partially because it is probably not reliable enough when built by an amateur to be an official set, regardless of the size. However, we may still be lucky enough to get a UCS Technic set as a result of the effort. Personally, I'd like to see them refine the sequential gearbox concept into something nearly 100% reliable and release a model using it. There is so much to be learned from building it, and that is the point of Technic after all.

[allanp]

It depends on how you scale it down. It would be possible to scale down the size and part count without scaling down the functions, but like I always say, that would need some new parts! I might be gettin a 3d printer soon, so maybe I can build some prototypes. But it's possible to get 100% reliability even when built by an amature.

Edited March 5, 2013 by allanp

[Meatman]

Personally, I'd like to see them refine the sequential gearbox concept into something nearly 100% reliable and release a model using it.

I highly doubt that we'll ever see a sequential gearbox from Lego, because there is just too much of a chance for the user to do things with it that they are not supposed to, like try to start out driving it in a higher gear. I know it was mentioned before that there needs to be new parts made to have a gearbox that can reliably have a an electric motor running through it. There is a reason why Lego hasn't tried to run electric motors through the driving rings in a Gearbox in a vehicle that can actually drive other than the slow moving 8043. Driving rings have been around for a couple decades now.

It depends on how you scale it down. It would be possible to scale down the size and part count without scaling down the functions, but like I always say, that would need some new parts! I might be gettin a 3d printer soon, so maybe I can build some prototypes. But it's possible to get 100% reliability even when built by an amature.

Lego's official models do not typically require tweaking things to get their models to work properly though.

Edited March 5, 2013 by Meatman

[allanp]

Which is why it will require some new parts. Sheepos design is pushing the limits of what the current parts selection can do. I already know what the new parts would be. I should be able to make them soon but i'm very confident that once the parts are perfected no tweaking will be required. Just like an official set you'll just have to build it and it will work first time every time without tweaking. I doubt that a cuusoo product will be granted new parts but I wanna see what technic can really do.

Edited March 5, 2013 by allanp

[davidmull]

Do lego actually build these models that reach over 10k votes? If so would sheepo have submitted the building instructions too them?

[allanp]

I think in the case of the defender, the most we could hope for is that they take the idea forward for consideration, they probably won't even consider releasing it as is so probably won't build it.

[legolijntje]

I think in the case of the defender, the most we could hope for is that they take the idea forward for consideration, they probably won't even consider releasing it as is so probably won't build it.

I think they will build it. At least for the fun of it

[allanp]

It is alot of fun to build!

[rm8]

From Belorussian builder pajero4x4.

Dont know, if 108 mm fit in arches or not?! Iam afraid they touch front bumper or wheel arches. Lookin forward to his building...

Edited March 6, 2013 by rm8

[timslegos]

Do you have a link to the tires?

tim

[Kronos]

Do you have a link to the tires?

Yeah, I need a set of those.

[Someonenamedjon]

I noticed you did not use the unimog hubs, you could have made the brake connection from behind if you where to use it.

Andrej from Slovenia" sent me an e-mail with these two attachments for Sheepo's Land Rover Defender 110, and he wanted me to make them available for download:

PDF "Parts List by Color"

PDF "Parts List by Number"

Wait.. so i can get it for free?!?!?!? the total cost is zero dollars

Edited March 7, 2013 by Someonenamedjon

[Kronos]

Parts lists are free, instructions are still 20 euros.

[Someonenamedjon]

I actually meant the actual thing was free, as in the model its self, because at the very last page of the part lists it said zero dollars.

*this is actually a joke

Edited March 7, 2013 by Someonenamedjon