Jedi Temple Mafia - Day Two

[fhomess]

So this is what you are saying. I was going to be fine with the result, it looks all good, the result wil tell us who to lynnch, oh it is me it must be wrong. So it would be right to you if it was anyone else but you. We all have considerd the danger and we must find out. Good bye master jedi

Blip beep booooop bip!

[To be fair, this is how any good templie would react to hearing about an investigation that turned out to be against them. The only person whose alignment you can fully trust at this point is your own (unless you're a mason), so a negative investigation result on anyone else should be welcome to you. I'm sure Hugar is mature enough to know that we have to test this claim.]

Chirp chirp chirp. (There's always the possibility of Insanity, though the only way to test that is to lynch Master Ssiht. I will vote for him barring some startling rvelation that alters everything, though, as doing so can only help the town. [by getting a Scum or learning our Cop's sanity.])

Blip weeeurp doop blip dip dop.

[No startling revelation should be allowed to divert us from testing this revelation. We can learn so much from it. In fact, any potential revelation that would suggest this result should not be tested (other than a suggestion that it was a complete fabrication just to see how everyone would react), can best be tested by voting for Hugar. Today is a no brainer.]

[Scubacarrot]

And that is why we test the result by lynching Hugar.

Exactly, we test this, if it turns out not okay, we lynch this "Sherlock", if no "Sherlock" can be presented, we lynch Corobb and his buddies.

Hmm, Nahdar where are you? How many more innuendos do I have to make?

Bah, your Force Suggestion won't get me in your bed, no, I'm going to need something better. Now, can you hold my lightsaber for a second, I got do some meditation.

[Jedi master Brick]

Yeah but Hugar said the result would be perfect except it is him. His argument is crap, his argument can be used by anyone. @ 3PO: so it is not contibuting by pointing out a potential scum flying under the radar. That was'nt even summarizing as no one has really made that point before

[Flare]

Exactly, we test this, if it turns out not okay, we lynch this "Sherlock", if no "Sherlock" can be presented, we lynch Corobb and his buddies.

Thats what I was getting at earlier, but whatever... never mind...

Sounds good

[fhomess]

Yeah but Hugar said the result would be perfect except it is him. His argument is crap, his argument can be used by anyone.

Bleep bip boop dip scoooOOOOoooo.

[What would you expect him to say? Most Sith are not like the traitor Windu who confessed. This isn't an emotional decision based on analysis of Hugar's behavior. This is a cool rational decision based on evidence. We are unlikely to have such clear evidence often. Having this evidence so early in this ordeal is a great boon to the temple, as it allows us to eliminate another Sith, or get a lot of information about the investigator in the process. As the 3-C's have suggested, it's highly unlikely that a Sith would take this gamble at this point in time.]

[Peanuts]

Oh, wouldn't it be great if it turns out that the "untouchable" trident of Corobb, Coryn, and C-3PO (Three "C"s by the way) are all scum and we down them all one after the other, especially since they thought that they had enough of our trust to make comments such as these:

It would be lovely and so maniacally ironical...but unforuntately it's impossible. I just don't see how a droid could be a sith.

While it is perfectly possible the scum would bus one of their own, since they propably are rather many, judging from the lot of Jedi and Droids in this temple, it would be incredibly stupid to bus not just one, but 2 of their own. Which means, while Coryn and Corobb both seem to be Jedi to me, if Hugar turns up Sith after his death, we know that there is no such scum conspiracy as you make up. To me, your suggestion sounds a lot like you want to create paranoia, which hinders the town from working with their most trustable members right now.

What I personally don't like is how you three think that you are more responsible then other people, that you can take all these things onto your hands... how do we know that you aren't Sith? It is possible that you are trying to dump us by convincing us that you guys are the source or all information... who ever decided that you three should take care of all this stuff? Scummy, in my opinion.

As for this Sherlock Holmes figure, and his victim whom you claim is a sith, you three could've easily come up with him just so you could get another Jedi knocked out, and make things easier for you guys.

Another reason why I feel that you Coryn might be involved in this scummy plot, is because it seemed to me that you were relatively not participating in the first day and now all of a sudden you become an important figure? Huh?

Seriously, whats happening here!?

FoS: Coryn Kelens (Tamamono)

I'm predicting a violent outburst against this from one of you three, so don't start barraging me with your "superior knowledge", because you're the only trustworthy people. Hah. Scum lies.

Well at least you're honest

We don't know they aren't Sith, but it is an investigation result. These three are right now about the most trustable townies, which doesn't mean they're confirmed, but the investigator had to give the result to someone, and why not to these who seem trustworthy? And it's an investigation result, and, as Coryn already said, no scum would make up an investigation result at that point, for many reasons:

1) It's far too early.

2) They are already down one Sith. Ways too risky.

3) Unless Koth was the investigator and the scum came to know it, there propably still is an investigator of ours out there, who can counterclaim.

C3PO and Coryn, I understand what you're saying, but still, I'm not planning on voting for Hugar, but if he does end up getting lynched then I will be most interested in seeing what the result will be.

Un-FoS: Coryn Kelens (Tamamano)

And my finger is still pointing at Ili Seosty as before, who hasn't explained any accusations against herself, like Coryn did.

Even though your vote won't matter anyway, which is why experienced scum would try and hop on the bandwagon as soon as possible, this statement seems awfully scummy to me. FoS: Shaak Ti (Flare)

[Dannylonglegs]

Yeah, because I bussed my partner and almost single-handedly got him lynched on Day 1.

You aren't the only ones who thought he was suspicious. I was suspicious of him from his first post on, and likely would have voted for him even if you hadn't.

I suppose you're right, but if it was the SK, why pick Koth? Maybe he came off as scummy to them.

SKs don't care who's who, they only care about surviving to the end, and a good way to do that is to pick off outliers.

Wow I was really looking forward to hearing we found another scummy sith basterd. Then I heard I was the scummy sith basterd. Well I am not. Yesterday I've been working behind the screens with a number of our most outspoken townspeople. My intentions were pure. I am a pure Jedi. My mind isn't taken over by the darkside.

Here are a couple of theories I have about the result:

1. The shrink/cop is insane. Only one way to find out unfortunately and that is to lynch me.

2. There is a framer amoungst us. He replaced my usually green lightsaber with a red one.

3. There is a redirector amoughst us. The cop targeted me but he got redirected to someone else, a member of team sith, thus my scummy result.

4. I am a member of the sith and I am lying to you. (which is not true)

This post doesn't quite sell it. I can't say I was very suspicious of you yesterday, but you didn't strike me as particularly pro-town, and many others did indeed cast a finger of suspicion on you. What sticks out in this post, to me at-least, is your mention of sabers in #2. I understand that it might just be roleplaying, but it doesn't look like that to me. Your mention of a framer switching saber colours looks more like insider-knowledge than anything else.

What I personally don't like is how you three think that you are more responsible then other people, that you can take all these things onto your hands... how do we know that you aren't Sith? It is possible that you are trying to dump us by convincing us that you guys are the source or all information... who ever decided that you three should take care of all this stuff? Scummy, in my opinion.

As for this Sherlock Holmes figure, and his victim whom you claim is a sith, you three could've easily come up with him just so you could get another Jedi knocked out, and make things easier for you guys.

Another reason why I feel that you Coryn might be involved in this scummy plot, is because it seemed to me that you were relatively not participating in the first day and now all of a sudden you become an important figure? Huh?

Seriously, whats happening here!?

FoS: Coryn Kelens (Tamamono)

I'm predicting a violent outburst against this from one of you three, so don't start barraging me with your "superior knowledge", because you're the only trustworthy people. Hah. Scum lies.

Well at least you're honest

I gotta say, this post looks scummy. The whole thing appears to be a defence by attacking the accuser of what would appear to be a confirmed scum. And even if he's not a scum, it's easy to see how Lynching him can be of use to us. It'll enable us to see who we can trust/ if our investigator is insane. I didn't get much of a scummy feel from either of those who know the investigator's name yesterday, and I'm not getting much of one right now. The whole post seems a bit angry sounding too.

Also, I seriously doubt that Hugar would have been framed, as I really don't think that the Sith would expect one such as him to be investigated and have the foresight to frame him in the case of his investigation based solely on day one.

I agree, unless the scum knew the intent of the investigator, there's little reason in my mind for the scum to have framed him.

Wait, you're not voting for the almost confirmed scum!?

FoS: Shaak Ti (Flare)

This definitely looks like you're on the same team as him, and you just don't want him to get lynched.

I kind of agree with you. Her reply was very defensive and scummy. I'll second that. FoS: Shaak Ti (Flare)

[Flare]

Even though your vote won't matter anyway, which is why experienced scum would try and hop on the bandwagon as soon as possible, this statement seems awfully scummy to me. FoS: Shaak Ti (Flare)

Of course you quoted my first two posts and not the third, but fine, point your finger. I don't see whats so wrong with suspecting Ili, though, you have to admit that she has been acting scummy.

[Scubacarrot]

Of course you quoted my first two posts and not the third, but fine, point your finger. I don't see whats so wrong with suspecting Ili, though, you have to admit that she has been acting scummy.

The finger is not pointed at you for suspecting Ili, but rather for not wanting to test an investigation result. A tip: You always test an investigation result. It is the only way of solid evidence if someone is scum, and if it turns out to be wrong, you have a strong lead as well. In short: You can't go wong with it.

[Flare]

The finger is not pointed at you for suspecting Ili, but rather for not wanting to test an investigation result. A tip: You always test an investigation result. It is the only way of solid evidence if someone is scum, and if it turns out to be wrong, you have a strong lead as well. In short: You can't go wong with it.

Thanks for the advice, I think all of this started because I didn't understand the investigation properly, I would like to deeply thank you for explaining this simply and in a kind fashion, I really appreciate it This is only my second mafia game, and I don't think there was any investigations in the witchbreed (at least none that I remember), so I feel so stupid now, that I didn't understand about the investigation... I see now why everyone is pointing at me... ...

[Peanuts]

Of course you quoted my first two posts and not the third, but fine, point your finger. I don't see whats so wrong with suspecting Ili, though, you have to admit that she has been acting scummy.

I didn't feel like it was necessary for me to quote your third post, it was neither redeeming you from my FoS nor was it quoteworthily scummy.

And I never said that Ili hadn't been acting scummy. She has been. Very scummy, to be exact. But as Vebb keeps pointing out, bad things can happen when you choose to ignore an investigation result. I think, that happened in a holovid named Bloodbrick II, but I'm not sure anymore. It definitely happened in another one called Roman Mafia.

What the heck!? Look here, I don't know who is scum, Hugar or Ili, or whoever. And personally I don't know whether your investigation is trustworthy or not, since it comes from an unnamed "Sherlock Holmes", and its possible that he is lying, if you aren't. So all I can rely on is how people behave: Ili has been acting much more suspicious than Hugar ever has, which makes me suspect Ili a lot more than Hugar. I didn't ever say that I'm not voting for Hugar, but that it is probable that I won't, unless more facts come in that will make things more clear as to where this investigation came from in the first place.

No offense, but you can't assume that I'm on the same team as him, I haven't been sticking up for him... I even said that I'd be interested in seeing the result of him getting lynched

Since you insist, I will quote your post. Well, your first post kinda read like a chainsaw defense, which means attacking Coryn in order to defend Hugar. Going for Ili seems to distract the Temple from task at hand. First we lynch the investigated Sith, then we can focus on the assumed one. We have more evidence against Hugar than against Ili, that is a fact, regardless of behavior.

And scum rarely ever stick up for themselves. It's practically suicide, sticking up for an investigated Sith. That's why scum try to distract and confuse the town into disregarding the result.

[Flare]

Since you insist, I will quote your post. Well, your first post kinda read like a chainsaw defense, which means attacking Coryn in order to defend Hugar. Going for Ili seems to distract the Temple from task at hand. First we lynch the investigated Sith, then we can focus on the assumed one. We have more evidence against Hugar than against Ili, that is a fact, regardless of behavior.

And scum rarely ever stick up for themselves. It's practically suicide, sticking up for an investigated Sith. That's why scum try to distract and confuse the town into disregarding the result.

I see, you're right, I wasn't intending to distract but I see that is what I did, because of my misunderstanding of the investigation. (As I said in the post right before, this is my second mafia game, and this is the first investigation that I've seen so I don't really know what to think of an investigation, so yeah, I didn't understand. But now I do, finally, after everyone has drilled it into my head twenty times... sorry. )

[Brickdoctor]

But as Vebb keeps pointing out, bad things can happen when you choose to ignore an investigation result. I think, that happened in a holovid named Bloodbrick II, but I'm not sure anymore. It definitely happened in another one called Roman Mafia.

More recently, it happened in one called Bedtime Story.

[Flipz]

"Masters, please forgive me for not coming out with the result straightaway. It was late, and I needed to get up at a certain time for some Real Life extracurricular activities. I have never been privy to an investigation result during the Day before, and I was unsure of what to do with it, so I asked two Jedi (well, one Jedi and a droid, anyway) who I trust to handle it. My inexperience is showing through, please forgive my error."

[Flare]

"Masters, please forgive me for not coming out with the result straightaway. It was late, and I needed to get up at a certain time for some Real Life extracurricular activities. I have never been privy to an investigation result during the Day before, and I was unsure of what to do with it, so I asked two Jedi (well, one Jedi and a droid, anyway) who I trust to handle it. My inexperience is showing through, please forgive my error."

Thats cool with me, my inexperience has been shown in a more negative way so I understand completely what you mean...

[Scorpiox]

Exactly, we test this, if it turns out not okay, we lynch this "Sherlock", if no "Sherlock" can be presented, we lynch Corobb and his buddies.

Bah, your Force Suggestion won't get me in your bed, no, I'm going to need something better. Now, can you hold my lightsaber for a second, I got do some meditation.

That seems a bit extreme. What if the investigator is insane? Or paranoid? Or if Master Corobb is being tricked by a Sith Investigator? I'm inclined to believe that the result is genuine, but if Hugar turns out as Jedi, then it doesn't necerssarily mean that Corobb, Coryn and C-3PO are scum. There are other factors that we have to take into account before blaming everything on two so-far Pro-Jedi people and a fairly trusted organiser if Hugar (which I doubt) turns out as Jedi. I'm definatly voting for Hugar to be lynched.

Wha? Why is everybody so mean to poor little Barriss? Of course I will hold your lightsaber while you meditate, just so long as you hold mine why I hover behind you stroking your head gently...

[Scubacarrot]

That seems a bit extreme. What if the investigator is insane? Or paranoid? Or if Master Corobb is being tricked by a Sith Investigator? I'm inclined to believe that the result is genuine, but if Hugar turns out as Jedi, then it doesn't necerssarily mean that Corobb, Coryn and C-3PO are scum. There are other factors that we have to take into account before blaming everything on two so-far Pro-Jedi people and a fairly trusted organiser if Hugar (which I doubt) turns out as Jedi. I'm definatly voting for Hugar to be lynched.

Wha? Why is everybody so mean to poor little Barriss? Of course I will hold your lightsaber while you meditate, just so long as you hold mine why I hover behind you stroking your head gently...

Of course that is a possibility, but in reality, that does not happen very often. (And for good reason, the mechanic is bad ) And note how I said if. I have all the confidence the result is correct, and we will be lynching another Sith tonight.

[Palathadric]

Exactly, we test this, if it turns out not okay, we lynch this "Sherlock", if no "Sherlock" can be presented, we lynch Corobb and his buddies.

One of the most intelligent posts in the last three pages. It's the obvious thing to do and I don't see what the rest of you are carrying on about. Lynch the bloke and confirm whether he is scum enough. Somebody...was it R2D2...mentioned him as being scummy, so let's get him off and see what happens. The few people who mentioned not voting for him don't matter anyway. And there is no need, as far as I see to point a finger of suspicion at someone when you already know that you will vote for someone else.

Yeah, because I bussed my partner and almost single-handedly got him lynched on Day 1.

Seriously, bluehair, you take way too much credit for yourself!

Not participating? Coryn? Which rock were you hiding under? Also, while timestamps really mean nothing, so I don't know if anyone would be interested, I do have a hologram of a private conversation with Coryn in which he stated that he wanted to lynch Windu very early in the Day.

If anything, I would say this is more scummy than town. Only a scum would know at that time who the scum are, and if they had it in mind to turn Master Windu in, or to at least voice his suspicions on one of his own members, then he could do it early on.

Does this make sense?

[Brickdoctor]

If anything, I would say this is more scummy than town. Only a scum would know at that time who the scum are, and if they had it in mind to turn Master Windu in, or to at least voice his suspicions on one of his own members, then he could do it early on.

Does this make sense?

It does make sense, though he was quite persistent, and on Day One, there's no reason for a Scum to bus a teammate so persistently. It would seem less Townie if he had planted some suspicions concerning Windu and then moved on to let me continue in the Day One confusion, but he never really stopped telling me how Scummy Windu was acting.

[Palathadric]

How many times do I have to say it? The scum don't make up invesitgation results this early!

Scum no, but Sith are intelligent. They could do it if they wanted to and then come up with a good sob story like you two surely will if the investigation is proved wrong. Or you'll say, "It was not my fault, it was his," and give us another jedi to lynch.

While it is perfectly possible the scum would bus one of their own, since they propably are rather many, judging from the lot of Jedi and Droids in this temple, it would be incredibly stupid to bus not just one, but 2 of their own. Which means, while Coryn and Corobb both seem to be Jedi to me, if Hugar turns up Sith after his death, we know that there is no such scum conspiracy as you make up. To me, your suggestion sounds a lot like you want to create paranoia, which hinders the town from working with their most trustable members right now.

I was joking in case you didn't realize! ( to you too) I do not in actuality think that all of them are scum or that even two of them are, but one is more than a possiblity, I think.

More recently, it happened in one called Bedtime Story.

Really? I don't remember that.

That seems a bit extreme. What if the investigator is insane? Or paranoid? Or if Master Corobb is being tricked by a Sith Investigator? I'm inclined to believe that the result is genuine, but if Hugar turns out as Jedi, then it doesn't necerssarily mean that Corobb, Coryn and C-3PO are scum. There are other factors that we have to take into account before blaming everything on two so-far Pro-Jedi people and a fairly trusted organiser if Hugar (which I doubt) turns out as Jedi. I'm definatly voting for Hugar to be lynched.

This is exactly what we don't want to happen. If people are going to tell us the results of an investigation, they need to be willing to put their life at the stake if the investigation proves to be faulty. If we find out that Hugar is not a scum after we lynch him, then day three should be just as no-brainer a day as this one and we can't have some sorry stories about how paranoid the investigator was.

[Tamamono]

Seriously, bluehair, you take way too much credit for yourself!

And why shouldn't I? Yesterday, both Master Corobb and 3PO told me in private that they weren't really convinced on Windu, and I aruged the case to them and convinced them. I did the same thing in public, and I also pushed Windu so hard behind the scenes so hard that he cracked and made his weird claim. Why shouldn't I be taking credit?

If anything, I would say this is more scummy than town. Only a scum would know at that time who the scum are, and if they had it in mind to turn Master Windu in, or to at least voice his suspicions on one of his own members, then he could do it early on.

Does this make sense?

It seems to me that you're looking for reasons to call me and the others scum. Reread all the archives. When a scum is lynched Day 1, town wins. Always. Why the hell would I risk that if I was scum?

Scum no, but Sith are intelligent. They could do it if they wanted to and then come up with a good sob story like you two surely will if the investigation is proved wrong. Or you'll say, "It was not my fault, it was his," and give us another jedi to lynch.

:wall:

Scum = Sith.

If Hugar flips town, then we'll be having a few cross words with Sherlock, but honestly, there is no way we would be able to get away with this if we were scum. How does your theory even remotely make sense?

I think I'm just going to stop talking to you, seeing as how you've decided not to listen to logic even when it's being shoved down your throat.

[Dannylonglegs]

Somebody...was it R2D2...mentioned him as being scummy, so let's get him off and see what happens. The few people who mentioned not voting for him don't matter anyway.

Yes, R2 made a pretty good case against Hugar yesterday.

And there is no need, as far as I see to point a finger of suspicion at someone when you already know that you will vote for someone else.

Well, why waste our time while we're waiting to vote for Hugar? If someone has a suspicion, it's still fair game to discuss and argue. With the decision as to who will be Lynched already made, we can get a head start on tomorrows work.

If anything, I would say this is more scummy than town. Only a scum would know at that time who the scum are, and if they had it in mind to turn Master Windu in, or to at least voice his suspicions on one of his own members, then he could do it early on.

Does this make sense?

Not really, I found Mace's very first post to be suspicious, and every post following just confirmed it more and more for me. He wasn't very subtle so I can see how Coryn picked up on that early on.

Scum no, but Sith are intelligent. They could do it if they wanted to and then come up with a good sob story like you two surely will if the investigation is proved wrong. Or you'll say, "It was not my fault, it was his," and give us another jedi to lynch.

I fail to see the distinction you're trying to make. Sith are Scum. And they are as intelligent or dumb as always. And of course they'll have some excuse if this Lynch proves unfruitful. We as a group can determine from their arguments which one of them lied, or even if they lied. That's why Lynching Hugar is so important. This is not an "intelligent" Sith move. And even if I thought it was a Sith move, I wouldn't call it "intelligent."

[Palathadric]

Scum = Sith.

If Hugar flips town, then we'll be having a few cross words with Sherlock, but honestly, there is no way we would be able to get away with this if we were scum. How does your theory even remotely make sense?

I think I'm just going to stop talking to you, seeing as how you've decided not to listen to logic even when it's being shoved down your throat.

I do know that scum=sith. I just wanted to put in a somewhat in-character way that tactics for scum can change from game-to-game, and it's possible at some point or other that they may make a very daring plan.

Stop talking to me, I don't care. There's been way too much useless talking in this thread, but I don't like the way how people seem to rever you and Corobb and everything you say. Maybe I don't think you're scum, I won't say as there is no point, but I do want people to know that just because a lot of people do trust you, doesn't mean that you are completely trustworthy, as some sheep seem to think you are.

[Flipz]

I do know that scum=sith. I just wanted to put in a somewhat in-character way that tactics for scum can change from game-to-game, and it's possible at some point or other that they may make a very daring plan.

Stop talking to me, I don't care. There's been way too much useless talking in this thread, but I don't like the way how people seem to rever you and Corobb and everything you say. Maybe I don't think you're scum, I won't say as there is no point, but I do want people to know that just because a lot of people do trust you, doesn't mean that you are completely trustworthy, as some sheep seem to think you are.

"Why do you remind me of an Arab prince, Master Kenobi? Oh, right..."

"Honestly, I did not suspect you at all yesterday, but today your behavior worries me. It is such a dramatic shift and spike in activity, I wonder if you were converted to the Sith last night..."

"FoS: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Palathadric)"

[Palathadric]

"Why do you remind me of an Arab prince, Master Kenobi? Oh, right..."

"Honestly, I did not suspect you at all yesterday, but today your behavior worries me. It is such a dramatic shift and spike in activity, I wonder if you were converted to the Sith last night..."

"FoS: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Palathadric)"

"Arab Prince?" Surely you mean a Tusken Raider...or? And I don't have a very good relationship with them so I don't see how I could remind you of one.

Ah, finally I get a finger of suspicion on me. It's a funny thing, but it's kind of refreshing for some reason, in an odd sort of way.

My activity hasn't particularly spiked. The day thread was going on during the end of last week whilst I was busy, and today I am not as busy. I am active when I am online and not when I'm not. But no, I'm not a convert, and hopefully your finger of suspicion will prevent them from wanting to convert me.