Dannylonglegs Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 If Threepio's allegiance was hidden by a Janitor, why have we not seen any of his work previously? Is it likely to only be a one-time ability? That's what I hope. That or he's the Mafia boss and his identity won't be revealed even after death.
Jedi master Brick Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Not good. I honestly bo idea about Vos being Sherlock. From my point of view he looked quite scummy tring to fly under the radar. Honestly if you think 3PO's allfifaction not being reaveald being a scumtell on me you are greatly misguided, we don't know if 3PO is scum or not so we can't base our accuastions on assumptions.
Scubacarrot Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Hmm, not a good night at all. If Threepio's allegiance was hidden by a Janitor, why have we not seen any of his work previously? Is it likely to only be a one-time ability? A janitor that could work it's magic every night? I'm sure you can see what's wrong with that . In all seriousness: A Janitor most of the time is X-shot, or is a combination with another role, or both. Now, Master Mundi, I must say I don't get what you are saying about Master Unduli at all, where does she support Euna? And I don't think it's wise to fully trust Coryn at this point. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drive a wedge between the town, but there is plenty of evidence against him at this point. Enough for a conviction? Well, no, not really, and I honestly don't think his death will tell us a lot. If he IS scum, hat off to him. Let me break it down (chorus) If C-3PO had been found scum, Coryn would be cleared, I think we can all agree on all that. Now, if he had been found innocent, he would STILL not be scum, not by any stretch, as I laid out yesterday as well. The point is: that C-3PO's death would kinda have learned us a lot. There were some people (Euna, cough cough) that were blatantly defending him, without very good reason, other than: he has been active, basically, his conviction would give us some very interesting points about these people. If I were to guess, THIS is the reason he was janitored, not to incriminate Coryn, frankly, saying he is suspicious because of the janitor(ation) needs more reasoning, but to stop us from having this info about these people. The fact that Coryn's allegiance is now in question is a good side effect for them, sure. What does incriminate Coryn is the fact that Sherlock is now dead, and with him the other person that (probably) knew of Sherlock's role. The fact that he was the one to say it works for him, but it is not very redeeming, in my opinion. The fact that he told it in public has as many negatives as positives (in the terms of knowledge), and he could easily have told it to be safe there would not be someone else out there who also knew Sherlock's identity, who then would say this in public, at which point Coryn would MOST definitely be in question. More later. Not good. I honestly bo idea about Vos being Sherlock. From my point of view he looked quite scummy tring to fly under the radar. Honestly if you think 3PO's allfifaction not being reaveald being a scumtell on me you are greatly misguided, we don't know if 3PO is scum or not so we can't base our accuastions on assumptions. Not helping your case. Just saying.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Very well reasoned Veb. A janitor that could work it's magic every night? I'm sure you can see what's wrong with that . In all seriousness: A Janitor most of the time is X-shot, or is a combination with another role, or both. Agreed, they likely only can use it once, and they used it well. Now, Master Mundi, I must say I don't get what you are saying about Master Unduli at all, where does she support Euna? And I don't think it's wise to fully trust Coryn at this point. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drive a wedge between the town, but there is plenty of evidence against him at this point. Enough for a conviction? Well, no, not really, and I honestly don't think his death will tell us a lot. If he IS scum, hat off to him. Oh Jeez! You're right! I'm sorry Unduli, I have no argument against you! I attributed something Obi Wan said to you! The only suspicion I have against you any more is that you guessed that Vos had a night action, and that could be attributed to intuition or luck. Sorry. Euna though, I still suspect. If C-3PO had been found scum, Coryn would be cleared, I think we can all agree on all that. Now, if he had been found innocent, he would STILL not be scum, not by any stretch, as I laid out yesterday as well. The point is: that C-3PO's death would kinda have learned us a lot. There were some people (Euna, cough cough) that were blatantly defending him, without very good reason, other than: he has been active, basically, his conviction would give us some very interesting points about these people. If I were to guess, THIS is the reason he was janitored, not to incriminate Coryn, frankly, saying he is suspicious because of the janitor(ation) needs more reasoning, but to stop us from having this info about these people. The fact that Coryn's allegiance is now in question is a good side effect for them, sure. Now that you mention it, you're right. We would learn more about those others than we would even about Coryn.
Tamamono Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Um... sorry for not knowing, but what is Zane? Zane was Master Tiin. He and Master Vos used to communicate with one another outside of the Temple, and he was the first to learn of Vos' 'Shrink' action (or whatever the hell it was ), and he messaged Master Corobb telling him about it. The theory about the SK being turned scum is a viable one, but I still doubt it. Mostly because There would be no point at all (IMO) in killing Zakura. I was highly suspicious of him yesterday, and would gladly have voted him off today. It looks more like the work of a vig, or an SK acting like a vig because the scum are losing and he/she wants to win. That's a good point. The fact that the sk and the scum killer appeared at the same time with the same MO leads me to believe that the sk might have been converted. But this actually just makes me trust him more. As 'apparently' the only one who knew the identity of Sherlocks, he could have easily hid this info to avoid suspicion, but he came out with it. This is not (in my opinion) the move of a scum. Exactly. If I was scum, I would never have revealed Sherlock's identity - revealing that the investigator that nobody knew about is dead is pretty much a death sentence for me. Because of this, I'm actually more suspicious of Luminara, who seems to be A. starting a Fos Bandwagon against Coryn and B. supporting Euna by saying she was probably framed, therefor making her less suspicious. Now, I'm probably wrong. My suspicion mostly stems from her suggestion that Vos had a night action before Coryn came out and said it. No, I think Luminara is probably town. I can understand why she FoS'd be, and what other explanation would there be for a quiet person to die by the scum's hand at this point unless he had an action?
Dannylonglegs Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 No, I think Luminara is probably town. I can understand why she FoS'd be, and what other explanation would there be for a quiet person to die by the scum's hand at this point unless he had an action? I agree, I thought she said something that obi wan did, and while neither alone makes me suspect either, had both their posts been hers, it would have made me suspicious. I don't think she's scummy anymore. Sorry.
Darth Nihilus Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Well, this is just great. No allegiance on 3P0, and two Town in the night, including our Investigator. Although, some people do stand out to me at this point, unlike at the beginning of Yesterday. For example, this: Not good. I honestly bo idea about Vos being Sherlock. From my point of view he looked quite scummy tring to fly under the radar. Honestly if you think 3PO's allfifaction not being reaveald being a scumtell on me you are greatly misguided, we don't know if 3PO is scum or not so we can't base our accuastions on assumptions. Wow. There is way too much wrong with this statement. The things that I've found: *She says she knew nothing about Sherlock being Vos. We're certainly going to believe that. *Tries to diss 3P0 as not being surely a Scum, even though that is most likely at this point. Again, dissing suspicion off herself for defending him yesterday.*"We can't base our accusations off assumptions". Of course we can. For example, I assume you have no idea how to play a Scum.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Not good. I honestly bo idea about Vos being Sherlock. From my point of view he looked quite scummy tring to fly under the radar. Honestly if you think 3PO's allfifaction not being reaveald being a scumtell on me you are greatly misguided, we don't know if 3PO is scum or not so we can't base our accuastions on assumptions. That's not at all why I suspect you. Let me list the ways: A. You insisted we investigate C-3PO last night instead of lynching him and it's obvious now that the scum new who the investigator was. If he was investigated last night and he was scum, it wouldn't matter anyways because, you knew who the investigator was so you could block (assuming you have a Sith blocker) or kill him anyways! B. Once the Bandwagon against him was a sure thing, you jumped on it. Not too early to accidentally get him lynched, and not too late to be suspected by being the last to vote for him. This is very scummy behavior In my opinion. C. This is not the first time you've voted late middle. Out of 25 people on day 1, yours was 9, on day 2 it was 15, and yesterday it was 14.
Scubacarrot Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Exactly. If I was scum, I would never have revealed Sherlock's identity - revealing that the investigator that nobody knew about is dead is pretty much a death sentence for me. Of course you would (my post above explains it ). Honestly, you saying this makes me more suspicious of you than I was before. You seem to have a tendency of saying things along the lines of: "A scum would surely never do this", it kinda casts things you said earlier in a different light. Now, I did promise more ellaboration, here it is: The fact that both Zane and Sherlock died at the same time is "convenient" for the scum to say the least. Fact is: With C-3PO, Corobb and Sherlock out of the way, Coryn is the only one that knew who Zane was. Not having Zane in the way is convenient because: Say Zane knew that Vos was the investigator and stuff, which we can probably assume, he would of course raise the suspicion against Coryn if Sherlock was to die. Here is a funny thing: Zane, AKA, Tiin, did not vote for C-3PO. Not sure what that tells us exactly, but with him being the mysterious Zane, we can assume he had more interaction with the three C's and Sherlock, and COULD have had a better eye for things. Of course, he could not reveal himself to be Zane, which would surely make him a target. A point has been raised to me in private. What if Coryn's "slip-up" was not real. It's an interesting thing to think about is it not? Without that point, Coryn is suspicious as hell, and it would be very easy to do, and claim. I don't believe anyone to be that low, though, so I initially waved it away, but it's a possibility we can't afford to ignore. Coryn, Coryn, Coryn... My head hurts now, I don't know anymore. What I think is the best action for today, is to lynch Euna. If she turns out to be scum (which I think is very likely) we know that C-3PO was also scum, and we can rule out that Coryn is scum. If there's something wrong with my reasoning, please say so.
Jedi master Brick Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Ok go ahead and lynch me because I failed to see the solid case against 3PO. Coryn could be the scum quite easily. The sith would know if 3PO was scum. If 3PO was town they would know it would put Coryn's neck on the line if he was sith but they also know if they janitor 3PO they can get round the sucspions and lynch another Jedi today. I know this is farfetched but it is a highly possible theory.
Scubacarrot Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Ok go ahead and lynch me because I failed to see the solid case against 3PO. Coryn could be the scum quite easily. The sith would know if 3PO was scum. If 3PO was town they would know it would put Coryn's neck on the line if he was sith but they also know if they janitor 3PO they can get round the sucspions and lynch another Jedi today. I know this is farfetched but it is a highly possible theory. This is no good reasoning, if C-3PO was found innocent, and Sherlock would not have died, there would be no case against Coryn, simple as that.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Coryn, Coryn, Coryn... My head hurts now, I don't know anymore. What I think is the best action for today, is to lynch Euna. If she turns out to be scum (which I think is very likely) we know that C-3PO was also scum, and we can rule out that Coryn is scum. If there's something wrong with my reasoning, please say so. I agree with your reasoning. I made the point earlier that the slip up is questionable since the only one who could confirm/deny it is dead. The laundering of C-3PO is also convenient in this possibility because, if he turned out innocent, then Coryn's trustability would be thrown into question in an even more serious manner. I also agree that Euna is the way to go today. I definitely think she's scum.
Scubacarrot Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I agree with your reasoning. I made the point earlier that the slip up is questionable since the only one who could confirm/deny it is dead. The laundering of C-3PO is also convenient in this possibility because, if he turned out innocent, then Coryn's trustability would be thrown into question in an even more serious manner. No, no, no, A thousand times NO, how many times do I need to repeat myself, if C-3PO was found innocent, that by itself would NOT have made a suitable case against Coryn.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Ok go ahead and lynch me because I failed to see the solid case against 3PO. Coryn could be the scum quite easily. The sith would know if 3PO was scum. If 3PO was town they would know it would put Coryn's neck on the line if he was sith but they also know if they janitor 3PO they can get round the sucspions and lynch another Jedi today. I know this is farfetched but it is a highly possible theory. Giving up so soon? Far fetched and highly possible are exact opposites. and it's really neither. It's simply possible, and Lynching you will show which is the correct theory. If you are scum, so was C-3PO. If You are Town, which I doubt, then it's probable that Coryn is a magnificent bastard. This is no good reasoning, if C-3PO was found innocent, and Sherlock would not have died, there would be no case against Coryn, simple as that. I agree with you if you replace "would not have" with 'hadn't.'
Jedi master Brick Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 It seems impossible to accuse Coryn without a everyone acting outraged and saying how you must be scum. With my less than adept skills to defend myself it seems like the sith are going to get one step closer to victory today when another Jedi is lynched. Just a question for Coryn, do you know who Vos was going to investigate last night? This infomation could bring more infomation to decide who to lynch
Dannylonglegs Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 No, no, no, A thousand times NO, how many times do I need to repeat myself, if C-3PO was found innocent, that by itself would NOT have made a suitable case against Coryn. It wouldn't be a case but an arguing point and a potentially very convincing one!
Scubacarrot Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 It seems impossible to accuse Coryn without a everyone acting outraged and saying how you must be scum. With my less than adept skills to defend myself it seems like the sith are going to get one step closer to victory today when another Jedi is lynched. Just a question for Coryn, do you know who Vos was going to investigate last night? This infomation could bring more infomation to decide who to lynch Seriously? if that's your defense then I suggest we get this over with and catch an early night, and no, it really would not help.
fhomess Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 A point has been raised to me in private. What if Coryn's "slip-up" was not real. It's an interesting thing to think about is it not? Without that point, Coryn is suspicious as hell, and it would be very easy to do, and claim. I don't believe anyone to be that low, though, so I initially waved it away, but it's a possibility we can't afford to ignore. Beep bip dadeep doop beeeeep. Sceeuuw doop bip blip beep dip bip dap dope. [That's an interesting point. I hope it's not true.] No, no, no, A thousand times NO, how many times do I need to repeat myself, if C-3PO was found innocent, that by itself would NOT have made a suitable case against Coryn. Boo doo bip. [Exactly. The case against Coryn is based heavily on the fact that BOTH Sherlock and Zane died last night. I'm not a happy droid right now, but I also think we need to focus some attention away from Coryn and look at all suspects. I'm sure this is exactly the type of questioning the scum were hoping to achieve by janitoring C-3PO. It's causing confusion about Coryn, who was previously a well regarded townie. This was nothing less than a highly successful night for them and a huge loss for us.] Just a question for Coryn, do you know who Vos was going to investigate last night? This infomation could bring more infomation to decide who to lynch Beeep beep bip. [How so?]
Jedi master Brick Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Seriously? if that's your defense then I suggest we get this over with and catch an early night, and no, it really would not help. I have a feeling you and Coryn are scum teammates now, whenever someone questions Croyn you jump out, really on the defensive and say the accuser must be scum.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 It seems impossible to accuse Coryn without a everyone acting outraged and saying how you must be scum. With my less than adept skills to defend myself it seems like the sith are going to get one step closer to victory today when another Jedi is lynched. Just a question for Coryn, do you know who Vos was going to investigate last night? This infomation could bring more infomation to decide who to lynch You're not even trying to defend yourself! You're weaseling under pressure, and changing the subject by asking Coryn who the dead investigator was going to investigate. How exactly would that help? Coryn would likely be the one to influence the investigation anyway and if he was scum, he certainly would try to convince Vos to check a townie and maybe even frame said townie. It would have no bearing in the situation at hand.
Scubacarrot Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I have a feeling you and Coryn are scum teammates now, whenever someone questions Croyn you jump out, really on the defensive and say the accuser must be scum. Good job reading over my walls of text giving reasons why Coryn could very well be scum.
Tamamono Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 That's not at all why I suspect you. Let me list the ways: A. You insisted we investigate C-3PO last night instead of lynching him and it's obvious now that the scum new who the investigator was. If he was investigated last night and he was scum, it wouldn't matter anyways because, you knew who the investigator was so you could block (assuming you have a Sith blocker) or kill him anyways! Exactly. Euna's insistence that 3PO be investigated looks to me like an attempt to buy time to kill the investigator and prevent 3PO from being lynched. B. Once the Bandwagon against him was a sure thing, you jumped on it. Not too early to accidentally get him lynched, and not too late to be suspected by being the last to vote for him. This is very scummy behavior In my opinion. This is the biggest thing in my opinion. Scum are notorious for flip-flopping and conceding ground, and when it was obvious 3PO was going to be lynched, she jumped on the bandwagon to avoid looking bad today. That's pretty classic scum behavior. The fact that both Zane and Sherlock died at the same time is "convenient" for the scum to say the least. Fact is: With C-3PO, Corobb and Sherlock out of the way, Coryn is the only one that knew who Zane was. Not having Zane in the way is convenient because: Say Zane knew that Vos was the investigator and stuff, which we can probably assume, he would of course raise the suspicion against Coryn if Sherlock was to die. Here is a funny thing: Zane, AKA, Tiin, did not vote for C-3PO. Not sure what that tells us exactly, but with him being the mysterious Zane, we can assume he had more interaction with the three C's and Sherlock, and COULD have had a better eye for things. Of course, he could not reveal himself to be Zane, which would surely make him a target. That's another thing that's been bothering me. Zane and Sherlock have lots of interaction, so it's strange that they both died in the same night. And yes, I was the only one (as far as I know) who knew Zane's identity. A point has been raised to me in private. What if Coryn's "slip-up" was not real. It's an interesting thing to think about is it not? Without that point, Coryn is suspicious as hell, and it would be very easy to do, and claim. I don't believe anyone to be that low, though, so I initially waved it away, but it's a possibility we can't afford to ignore. If I could invite you into the discussion so you could see the slip yourself, I would. Unfortunately, it was started by 3PO, so I can't. Coryn, Coryn, Coryn... My head hurts now, I don't know anymore. What I think is the best action for today, is to lynch Euna. If she turns out to be scum (which I think is very likely) we know that C-3PO was also scum, and we can rule out that Coryn is scum. If there's something wrong with my reasoning, please say so. I think this is probably the best course of action as well. Euna has been incredibly scummy since this ordeal began, and her defense of 3PO makes her look even scummier in my eyes. Ok go ahead and lynch me because I failed to see the solid case against 3PO. Coryn could be the scum quite easily. The sith would know if 3PO was scum. If 3PO was town they would know it would put Coryn's neck on the line if he was sith but they also know if they janitor 3PO they can get round the sucspions and lynch another Jedi today. I know this is farfetched but it is a highly possible theory. That's it? You're just giving up? If you're town, then I suggest you start actually trying to not get lynched. I also find it strange how you're just now starting to accuse me when you're being FoS'd. It seems to me that Euna sees how the crowds are starting to turn against me, and she jumps right on to FoS me when she's under scrutiny, which is known as deflecting. It seems impossible to accuse Coryn without a everyone acting outraged and saying how you must be scum. With my less than adept skills to defend myself it seems like the sith are going to get one step closer to victory today when another Jedi is lynched. Just a question for Coryn, do you know who Vos was going to investigate last night? This infomation could bring more infomation to decide who to lynch And now comes the AtE. Euna sees that she can't get out of this, so she tries to inspire pity in her accusers by calling her skills 'less than adept' and saying that the sith will 'get one step closer to victory'. Euna, if I wasn't convinced that you were scum before, I sure as hell am now because of your weak and scummy defenses. I honestly don't know how it would help, but I was having Vos investigate Obi-Wan last night.
Peanuts Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Okay, Euna's "defense" is actually extremely scummy. I agree with Nahdar that she's propably the best person to lynch today. And the thing about investigating C-3PO is in hindsight really very suspicious. About Coryn, I a lot of people have said that Zane's death was too convenient. I started wondering if the death really is convenient for the scum. I think, it would have come in handy for them if they were going to not reveal the fact they had killed the investigator, if Coryn had acted like Sherlock was still alive. Because, if Zane was still alive, and Coryn had pretended that Sherlock was alive as well, Zane would have been able to tell us that the scum killed him last night. Now that everyone who was in contect with the investigator is also dead, they could have claimed to have further town results which might not have been doubted. But (assuming Coryn is scum) if they already decided to reveal the secret anyway and fake a slip-up, what would be changed if Zane was not dead? In fact, since we haven't even got a result on C-3PO, they might even have revealed Zane as well in order to have a second potential leak. Of, course, this doesn't rule out the possibility that the SK has killed Zane for completely unrelated reasons, but it isn't convenient for the scum. That said, I have been talking to Coryn, and I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. If Euna is scum, we can assume that 3PO was scum too, and that would all but clear Coryn. If Euna is town, we can assume that she was unhelpful anyway.
Kadabra Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Chirp whistle whistle tweet chirp tweet. (After a quick browse through today's holo vids, I can say that at the moment I still trust Coryn and that Euna's lynch is certainly the way to go.)
fhomess Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Chirp whistle whistle tweet chirp tweet. (After a quick browse through today's holo vids, I can say that at the moment I still trust Coryn and that Euna's lynch is certainly the way to go.) Bloop bip beeep dip dooooop weeyoooo. [There are plenty of good reasons not to trust Coryn at this point. I'm not saying Coryn has to be the lynch - I may make that case later - but I really don't think anyone should be sharing any special information with him anymore.]
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