The future direction of the Pirate LEGO Forum

[Mister Phes]

Designs for T Shirts I suppose. Really it doesn't matter as long as its Pirate LEGO related.

[tedbeard]

What to you mean with a whole new site? A webpage page build around this forum or a completely new pirate forum?

As I thought we discussed back in December in "The future direction of the Pirate LEGO Forum" thread I am speaking of a whole new website.

First of all, the Lego Pirate community is much smaller than the Castle community.

Second, I like the pirate-forum being part of a larger community like EB. I 'm interested in the other areas (History & Adventure, Theater, ...) as well.

1) I do not believe that the LEGO pirate community is much smaller than the castle community and an independant website, properly promoted and managed would demonstrate this by attracting MORE users.

2) Who says you cannot still be a part of EB? No one is going to stop you visiting.

However I am the other side of the coin. I find it annoying to be part of the EB system becasue I cannot use the "View New Posts" function because the results are from ALL forums, not just Pirates. As well, I am from Canada which makes me feel like an intruder into someone elses forum which is why I only came here after Pirate Bricks.com was long dead and gone.

Fact is that the pirate forum is something special because its rather unique on the internet and has lots of potential. Especially if there is a portal page that is easily found in the search-engines, this can attract lots of new users who might also start participating in the rest of the forum.

And being an independent website would make the search results BETTER. Would make finding us EASIER and would stop the complaints from other EB users about how this forum does not fit and is hurting EB. (see discussion referenced above.)

The change that I'm proposing is not drastic. The big difference is to put the general pirate discussion is a separate forum in stead of the main page.

I'm not suggesting anything drastic either. We have a forum, a selection of How-to articles, lots of eager people. What the heck else do we need? Classic-Castle started off with less than what we have and they are pretty successful.

It's time to grow up. We were nurtured by EB but it is time to move out of the house. :-$

[Bonaparte]

As I thought we discussed back in December in "The future direction of the Pirate LEGO Forum" thread I am speaking of a whole new website.

1) I do not believe that the LEGO pirate community is much smaller than the castle community and an independant website, properly promoted and managed would demonstrate this by attracting MORE users.

2) Who says you cannot still be a part of EB? No one is going to stop you visiting.

However I am the other side of the coin. I find it annoying to be part of the EB system becasue I cannot use the "View New Posts" function because the results are from ALL forums, not just Pirates. As well, I am from Canada which makes me feel like an intruder into someone elses forum which is why I only came here after Pirate Bricks.com was long dead and gone.

And being an independent website would make the search results BETTER. Would make finding us EASIER and would stop the complaints from other EB users about how this forum does not fit and is hurting EB. (see discussion referenced above.)

I'm not suggesting anything drastic either. We have a forum, a selection of How-to articles, lots of eager people. What the heck else do we need? Classic-Castle started off with less than what we have and they are pretty successful.

It's time to grow up. We were nurtured by EB but it is time to move out of the house. :-$

Let me make it very clear that this topic is not about starting a new pirate forum.

It is only about restructuring this pirate forum to make it even better than it already is.

I like the EB community and I like the atmosphere, so no need for a new forum.

Once this forum is restructured and a portal page exists, the pirate community has all it needs to grow and expand here on EB.

[tedbeard]

Let me make it very clear that this topic is not about starting a new pirate forum.

It is only about restructuring this pirate forum to make it even better than it already is.

I like the EB community and I like the atmosphere, so no need for a new forum.

Once this forum is restructured and a portal page exists, the pirate community has all it needs to grow and expand here on EB.

And let me make it equally clear that I am not talking about "a new pirate forum" I am simply suggesting that we are already a distinct community and that we should move the whole thing onto an independant webspace. For virtually the same effort as your "restructuring", it would allow us to add improvements, increase traffic and relieve stress on the EB system.

Continuing to abuse EB is a mistake that will eventually cause problems. I'm sorry that your personal wishes are more important than the community.

I guess I should go back to LUGNET.pirates where there already existed an open forum, articles on topics such as building Cannons, an index of Ship MOC's and a seamless connection to a world-wide network of AFOLs.

I suppose I will miss the Pirate smileys and lovely banners but if that is all you are offering to accompany your megalomania it seems like a small price to pay.

Hmmm, before Piratebricks.com died the "owner" there also was talking a lot about restructuring and decided every issue by himself... You obviously will never listen to me but I hope eventually you realize this a community, not your personal dominion.

[Bonaparte]

And let me make it equally clear that I am not talking about "a new pirate forum" I am simply suggesting that we are already a distinct community and that we should move the whole thing onto an independant webspace. For virtually the same effort as your "restructuring", it would allow us to add improvements, increase traffic and relieve stress on the EB system.

Continuing to abuse EB is a mistake that will eventually cause problems. I'm sorry that your personal wishes are more important than the community.

I never heard anything about the pirate forum abusing EB. I'm not pretending to know what the wishes of the community are. Thats why I started this poll.

I guess I should go back to LUGNET.pirates where there already existed an open forum, articles on topics such as building Cannons, an index of Ship MOC's and a seamless connection to a world-wide network of AFOLs.

Thats up to you to decide...

I suppose I will miss the Pirate smileys and lovely banners but if that is all you are offering to accompany your megalomania it seems like a small price to pay.

Who are you referring to when you write "your megalomania"? Me???????

Hmmm, before Piratebricks.com died the "owner" there also was talking a lot about restructuring and decided every issue by himself... You obviously will never listen to me but I hope eventually you realize this a community, not your personal dominion.

Same question, are you referring to me??? I'm no admin or moderator so can't take any decisions.

If you pretend to know the wishes of the "community" so well, why don't you just start a separate forum!

You have expressed your opinion, thanks for that.

[Mister Phes]

I'm not suggesting anything drastic either. We have a forum, a selection of How-to articles, lots of eager people. What the heck else do we need? Classic-Castle started off with less than what we have and they are pretty successful.

It's time to grow up. We were nurtured by EB but it is time to move out of the house. :-$

Unfortunately its not that a matter of simply moving the Pirate Forum to a new website because Eurobricks isn't my forum and I must seek approval from other administrators who have the power to do this, as I do not.

So in the mean time I'm just taking things one step at time... Design a front page... Register a domain... Restructure the forum... Promote the new look forum and front page...

Continuing to abuse EB is a mistake that will eventually cause problems. I'm sorry that your personal wishes are more important than the community.

I guess I should go back to LUGNET.pirates where there already existed an open forum, articles on topics such as building Cannons, an index of Ship MOC's and a seamless connection to a world-wide network of AFOLs.

I think you've misinterpreted Bonaparte's meaning, however returning to LUGNET would definitely not assist the Pirate LEGO Forum in becoming independent.

[tedbeard]

Who are you referring to when you write "your megalomania"? Me???????

My apologies. Perhaps your Forum identity as a dictator colours my reading of your posts. I was obviously confused by your repeated declarations and instructions that sounded an awful lot like orders. When you get to decide what is and is not appropriate in a thread you sound somehwat imperious.

Perhaps if you actually addressed the questions raised instead of simply declaring that you personally like it one way and so all discussion must end you might come across less dictatorially. *sweet*

[tedbeard]

I think you've misinterpreted Bonaparte's meaning, however returning to LUGNET would definitely not assist the Pirate LEGO Forum in becoming independent.

I don't think I've misinterpreted anything but it's possible. X-D

As for independance: you and he (the ones who seem to be making all the decisions) have made it very clear that the Pirate LEGO Forum is not now and will never be independant.

All the tinkering in the world doesn't make you an independant site. Being an independant site does that. I was happy to support this forum a step towards a reborn/re-imagined Piratebricks (or whatever) but there seems little advantage in supporting an EB sub-forum when a LUGNET sub-forum is a better platform for a world-wide LEGO community.

[Mister Phes]

I don't think I've misinterpreted anything but it's possible. X-D

You've definitely gone on your own tangent.

As for independance: you and he (the ones who seem to be making all the decisions) have made it very clear that the Pirate LEGO Forum is not now and will never be independant.

I make the decisions because I am the administrator (if not the administrator then who else make decisions for a forum?) and I've made that quite clear to Bonaparate, which you can read for yourself earlier in this thread.

I've been in discussions with Hobbes, one of the root Administrators and he's informed me its not going to be a 5 minute transition.

Did you miss my earlier post:

Its time to start planning for the future, if the Pirate Forum continues to grow at its current rate it will eventually become supersede all the Eurobricks forums combined. So now is the time to start building the necessary infrastructure to enable it become an independent forum[...]

All the tinkering in the world doesn't make you an independant site. Being an independant site does that. I was happy to support this forum a step towards a reborn/re-imagined Piratebricks (or whatever) but there seems little advantage in supporting an EB sub-forum when a LUGNET sub-forum is a better platform for a world-wide LEGO community.

You're probably just writing this to get some kind of reaction from us, but as mentioned in my previous post its not as simple as just moving everything to a new website because Eurobricks.

I'm going to have to ask you read the threads more thoroughly before making contradictory posts, especially since you're not taking a democratic or friendly approach. You're a user of 25 posts so it seems somewhat premature that you're expressing so much concern towards a forum you've barely participated in.

[tedbeard]

I'm going to have to ask you read the threads more thoroughly before making contradictory posts, especially since you're not taking a democratic or friendly approach. You're a user of 25 posts so it seems somewhat premature that you're expressing so much concern towards a forum you've barely participated in.

Of course eventually you had to get personal and attack me because I don't spend all my time writing posts. Of course my opinions are worthless because I have not spent hours writing posts to this forum.

For the record, just because I don't post a lot does not mean I do not read posts. When I have something useful to say I do so. I don't babble on like an idiot about every topic that comes up just so I can boost my post count!

My careful reading of the posts led me to suggest an early move to independance. Which, AS I ALREADY STATED, I thought you were working towards in the long-term. When I suggested a move sooner rather than later you and Boney did NOT reply "not now because...but in the future when we meet [insert criteria here]."

From your lack of critical response and your allowing Boney's declarations to go to unchallenged (after carefully challenging earlier of his assertions) I can come to no other reasonable conclusion than you are not interested in an independant LEGO pirates website.

As for your "5 minutes" comment. What an insidious, spiteful load of crap. I NEVER suggested it would take "5 Minutes" to migrate to a new server and set up an independant website. I DID try to point out that if you are going to redesign what we already have and then down the road have to build the new site it would be less work overall to just go straight to the new site.

I apologize for trying to save you work in the long-term. I am sorry for suggesting that this community is growing and strong enough to stand on it's own. I regret my temerity in assuming that a lowly "newbie" could in any way contribute ideas to this commnity.

[Chuck]

Of course eventually you had to get personal and attack me because I don't spend all my time writing posts. Of course my opinions are worthless because I have not spent hours writing posts to this forum.

For the record, just because I don't post a lot does not mean I do not read posts. When I have something useful to say I do so. I don't babble on like an idiot about every topic that comes up just so I can boost my post count!

My careful reading of the posts led me to suggest an early move to independance. Which, AS I ALREADY STATED, I thought you were working towards in the long-term. When I suggested a move sooner rather than later you and Boney did NOT reply "not now because...but in the future when we meet [insert criteria here]."

From your lack of critical response and your allowing Boney's declarations to go to unchallenged (after carefully challenging earlier of his assertions) I can come to no other reasonable conclusion than you are not interested in an independant LEGO pirates website.

As for your "5 minutes" comment. What an insidious, spiteful load of crap. I NEVER suggested it would take "5 Minutes" to migrate to a new server and set up an independant website. I DID try to point out that if you are going to redesign what we already have and then down the road have to build the new site it would be less work overall to just go straight to the new site.

I apologize for trying to save you work in the long-term. I am sorry for suggesting that this community is growing and strong enough to stand on it's own. I regret my temerity in assuming that a lowly "newbie" could in any way contribute ideas to this commnity.

Take it down a notch, tedbeard. Nobody is here to make enemies :)

-l2k-

[Mister Phes]

Of course eventually you had to get personal and attack me because I don't spend all my time writing posts. Of course my opinions are worthless because I have not spent hours writing posts to this forum.

Nobody said your opinions are worthless but your hostile attitude is devaluing them.

For the record, just because I don't post a lot does not mean I do not read posts. When I have something useful to say I do so. I don't babble on like an idiot about every topic that comes up just so I can boost my post count!

What do you think you're to bringing to this forum besides a bad attitude? I have no idea how much you frequent this forum because you only ever respond in threads like these, but being part of a community is being more than just a casual observer. There are plenty of users who make wonderful contributions to the discussions and by participating in discussions users get to each other better.

Now lets use an analogy... A stranger comes to town, he doesn't mingle with the locals, never makes friends but always turns up at the town meetings. At one town meeting he aggressively starts telling the mayor how things should be done, accusing him of being a dominator in the process, and wonders why the mayor becomes agitated. How much credibility within the community does that stranger have?

My careful reading of the posts led me to suggest an early move to independance. Which, AS I ALREADY STATED, I thought you were working towards in the long-term. When I suggested a move sooner rather than later you and Boney did NOT reply "not now because...but in the future when we meet [insert criteria here]."

Then you shouldn't have contradicted yourself by writing "As for independance: you and he (the ones who seem to be making all the decisions) have made it very clear that the Pirate LEGO Forum is not now and will never be independant."

Furthermore I don't have to answer to you immediately, I'll provide the information when I feel its necessary so therefore you wait patiently and not formulate inaccurate conclusions.

From your lack of critical response and your allowing Boney's declarations to go to unchallenged (after carefully challenging earlier of his assertions) I can come to no other reasonable conclusion than you are not interested in an independant LEGO pirates website.

This is not a debate and your conclusions are not reasonable nor inaccurate. I already announced what was happening and I don't feel the need to repeat myself. As stated I am the administrator so what I say goes, not Bonaparte or any of the other but they are entitled to share their opinion(s) - that's not hard to understand is it?

As for your "5 minutes" comment. What an insidious, spiteful load of crap. I NEVER suggested it would take "5 Minutes" to migrate to a new server and set up an independant website. I DID try to point out that if you are going to redesign what we already have and then down the road have to build the new site it would be less work overall to just go straight to the new site.

Your aggressiveness lead me to perceive that you expected the move to be done quickly, but I didn't literally mean 5 minutes either. If you were approaching this topic objectively you wouldn't be getting offended over statements like that. It seems you're taking this quite personally.

I apologize for trying to save you work in the long-term. I am sorry for suggesting that this community is growing and strong enough to stand on it's own.

Your suggestions aren't saving any work because you don't understand the system we have in place. Bonaparte's plan will actually save us work because we won't have so much to do when the time comes. And you're not really sorry so no point being sarcastic about it because you'll get no sympathy.

I regret my temerity in assuming that a lowly "newbie" could in any way contribute ideas to this commnity.

"Newbies" can contribute their ideas to community, there's no problem with that but if they take your irate approach then there will be. Can you see how you've gone about this the wrong way?

The reason (and I'm informing everyone of this) we don't move to a new website ASAP is because websites cost money. The Pirate LEGO website must fund itself because I nor anyone else should have to pay for it, although I will be coughing up the initial fees. After it goes live the following months will be dedicated to establishing itself within the AFOL community and give it the opportunity to generate funds.

Now Ted Beard, stop making us out to be evil dictators and playing the victim because that's not helping. Whether you're intending to do so or not that is how you're coming across as a very angry person. If you want to make contributions then do so whilst taking an objective and diplomatic approach. If you can't do that then you better not participate.

[tedbeard]

...you're coming across as a very angry person.

You know what. You are right.

I had a quick peek at your new portal page (looks nice) and frankly I would rather shut up and be inspired by cool Pirate creations than indulge in petty bickering.

Sorry to cause you a headache. I'll be quiet for a while.

[Mister Phes]

By all means share your thoughts and opinions if you wish to do so, just like you did earlier - you came up with some good ideas.

[Captain Green Hair]

Designs for T Shirts I suppose. Really it doesn't matter as long as its Pirate LEGO related.

Are these t-shirts still wanted?

I think i can arrange something cool if so....

[Bonaparte]

Are these t-shirts still wanted?

I think i can arrange something cool if so....

I have no idea about the T-shirts, but this sure is one hell of a historical thread.

It was fun reading this old discussion again 1,5 years later

I sound so young

Btw Cptn Green Hair, why are you reading these old threads? They sure are fun, but don't you have a life

[Opproperaar]

I have no idea about the T-shirts, but this sure is one hell of a historical thread.

It was fun reading this old discussion again 1,5 years later

I sound so young

Btw Cptn Green Hair, why are you reading these old threads? They sure are fun, but don't you have a life

I can only wonder what rank on these forums you occupied back then... :-P

[Mister Phes]

Are these t-shirts still wanted? I think i can arrange something cool if so....

Exactly what did you have in mind?

[Bonaparte]

I can only wonder what rank on these forums you occupied back then... :-P

Same one as you have now