Scubacarrot Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 Hmm. I might have misread the quote I quoted then. Either way, the point I was making is that he does know the protector, and no one else counterclaimed, or showed initiative to lynch him once he 'claimed' he knew the protector (indicating they knew he was lying.) Or they are dead.
Tamamono Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 It is a possibility, but he was the one who came out with the info in the first place. You'd think a scum would try and cast doubt on the investigation results instead of stating them in a gungho manner and insisting we Lynch Ssith. Exactly. If I were scum, I would have found some way to let Sith slither his way out of being lynched, but as town, it was my duty to test the result, and it worked out fine. There have been kills on every Night after Night 1, so I can't have been converted then, can I? Don't you think there would be a bit of an upheaval from the real protector and blocker if he was lying? As far as we know both of these two are still alive. Exactly! Totoro and I are in constant contact, and he has no problem with protecting me every night. I'd have him come out into the thread and confirm this, but I'm not about to compromise the safety of our protector just to prove a silly point. So what the rest of the people in the temple are doing is not helpful, come on, we are with 14, a few are standing around, but most of us are active in one way or the other, and not all of us are Sith, obviously, so frankly, it's pretty insulting you are basically suggesting people are not working to catch scum. I have been incredibly vocal in the last few days in particular, making long, extensive posts. I don't see you having done anything of the sort, really. I've caught 3 scum (albeit with the help of Roron). How many have you caught? How many have the others caught? While you are way off in your accusation of me, you're one of the more active townies, and I appreciate your effort. That's not to say that long, misguided rants about how so-and-so is scum for a completely ridiculous reason are helpful, but you get an A for effort anyway. You supported the lynch for Euna, but earlier you called it "a pretty flawed plan"? Come on man, step up your game. I called your plan to confirm me by lynching Euna a pretty flawed plan. Like Mundi said, that was basically just the icing on the cake. I've never been much of a fan of icing myself, so I didn't eat it. I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop twisting my words around. If you're really town, there's no reason for you to be doing that. Newsflash: He told me in private after he said that there was no blocker, as far as he knew. Yes, there is no blocker. I've been trying to keep this under wraps so that the scum wouldn't find out we're a bit shorthanded, but now you've ruined that. Thanks, Nahdar.
Scubacarrot Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 I've caught 3 scum (albeit with the help of Roron). How many have you caught? How many have the others caught? While you are way off in your accusation of me, you're one of the more active townies, and I appreciate your effort. That's not to say that long, misguided rants about how so-and-so is scum for a completely ridiculous reason are helpful, but you get an A for effort anyway. I called your plan to confirm me by lynching Euna a pretty flawed plan. Like Mundi said, that was basically just the icing on the cake. I've never been much of a fan of icing myself, so I didn't eat it. I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop twisting my words around. If you're really town, there's no reason for you to be doing that. Yes, there is no blocker. I've been trying to keep this under wraps so that the scum wouldn't find out we're a bit shorthanded, but now you've ruined that. Thanks, Nahdar. You helped on the lynch of Windu, Hugar's lynch was set up, initiated mostly by R2, and you know that, so don't go bringing that one up. We don't know if C-3PO was scum, so what did you actually accomplish, let's see: Not as much as you said you did. Hate to use this, but in the spirit how you do it: A real townie is honest about what he or she did, and feels no need to exaggerate, there is no purpose other than creating confusion. Your patronizing is not cute. If I remember correctly, you were one of the ones that believed most in the conversion theory, how unlikely it was, maybe it was because you were converted night 1, it would be the reason there was no scum kill. About that, if there really was no blocker, the only other possibility for that was a succesful protection, care to ask your so called protector who he protected night 1? That was not my plan, I have never said, who the hell is twisting words? me? Oh please, do you really think that would matter at this point, the scum have not been blocked, they have nothing to fear, it wouldnt freaking matter, at all. Plus, you already know the fact, so it's BS anyway. Perhaps Master Mundi should just stop talking, he is basically echoing Coryn, and it has been clear from yesterday: If Coryn is scum, so is Mundi.
Flare Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 I've caught 3 scum (albeit with the help of Roron). How many have you caught? How many have the others caught? Yes, there is no blocker. I've been trying to keep this under wraps so that the scum wouldn't find out we're a bit shorthanded, but now you've ruined that. Thanks, Nahdar. Wait, three scum? I don't see three. I see two. Unless you are assuming that C3PO is a scum, which is a dangerous assumption to make, my dear Coryn! You should know that, of all people. Oh, I see, you've been keeping things under wraps so that not only the scum wouldn't find out, but that the rest of the town would be ignorant too! Thanks a lot! Isn't it pretty obvious that we're a bit shorthanded, we're losing innocent Jedi faster than Jabba the Hutt loses dancing girls! Perhaps Master Mundi should just stop talking, he is basically echoing Coryn, and it has been clear from yesterday: If Coryn is scum, so is Mundi. It seems so, and as we've heard before, the only way to find out is to lynch him, right?
Tamamono Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 You helped on the lynch of Windu, Hugar's lynch was set up, initiated mostly by R2, and you know that, so don't go bringing that one up. I orchestrated the lynch on Windu. Hugar's lynch was not initiated by R2 - R2 simply called him out for being scummy on Day 1. He was shrunk because he was going around asking people if they had protection. Now, we didn't actually know that the shrink was an investigator on Day 1, but when he was found guilty, I pushed for his lynch and made sure people didn't listen to his BS excuses. We don't know if C-3PO was scum, so what did you actually accomplish, let's see: Not as much as you said you did. From my point of view, 3PO was almost 100% scum. Obviously, my point of view was not the point of view they were trying to distort with the janitor action, but I digress... Hate to use this, but in the spirit how you do it: A real townie is honest about what he or she did, and feels no need to exaggerate, there is no purpose other than creating confusion. Your patronizing is not cute. I'm actually not exaggerating. I really did play a big part in catching 3 scum (1 not completely confirmed). That was not my plan, I have never said, who the hell is twisting words? me? Yes, you. I was all for a Euna lynch yesterday because of her uselessness and her 'defense'. Not because of the plan to 'confirm me and 3PO' with her allegiance. That was a terrible plan. You made it sound like I was all for a Euna lynch yesterday, but spoke as if I was against it today. Perhaps Master Mundi should just stop talking, he is basically echoing Coryn, and it has been clear from yesterday: If Coryn is scum, so is Mundi. Oh great, more "Hey! This guy hasn't deluded himself into thinking that the most active townie is scum! He must be scum too!". Honestly, Nahdar, if I wasn't so sure about your town status, I would call you scum for such flawed logic. Wait, three scum? I don't see three. I see two. Unless you are assuming that C3PO is a scum, which is a dangerous assumption to make, my dear Coryn! You should know that, of all people. It's not dangerous at all. Like I said, it's from my point of view. Oh, I see, you've been keeping things under wraps so that not only the scum wouldn't find out, but that the rest of the town would be ignorant too! Thanks a lot! Isn't it pretty obvious that we're a bit shorthanded, we're losing innocent Jedi faster than Jabba the Hutt loses dancing girls! It seems so, and as we've heard before, the only way to find out is to lynch him, right? Honestly, this kind of response confirms that you either A. have completely convinced yourself that I'm scum, or B. are scum yourself, and are trying to get me lynched today. While Nahdar's wrong about me as well, at least he's presenting his arguments in a way without actively trying to antagonize me, so I'm kind of leaning toward option B for you. In fact, it would make perfect sense if you were scum. After all, who else is on the chopping block today? Voolvif, that's who. I find it ever so interesting how you've finally decided that there's a major case against me when we're running out of suspects and it looked like Voolvif will be lynched... Hmm...
Flare Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 Honestly, this kind of response confirms that you either A. have completely convinced yourself that I'm scum, or B. are scum yourself, and are trying to get me lynched today. While Nahdar's wrong about me as well, at least he's presenting his arguments in a way without actively trying to antagonize me, so I'm kind of leaning toward option B for you. In fact, it would make perfect sense if you were scum. After all, who else is on the chopping block today? Voolvif, that's who. I find it ever so interesting how you've finally decided that there's a major case against me when we're running out of suspects and it looked like Voolvif will be lynched... Hmm... Yo, who's antagonizing? Sorry, but you have been insulting people during all your responses, and trying to make me seem like a scum just because I'm pointing you out as a very likely scum. And of course you're trying to distract us with Voolvif, thanks a lot. He may or may not be scum, but it seems to me that you're a more likely choice to be scum.
Scubacarrot Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 And of course you're trying to distract us with Voolvif, thanks a lot. He may or may not be scum, but it seems to me that you're a more likely choice to be scum. Wow, sorry, but this statement is just amazing, I'm seriously reconsidering my options here.
Tamamono Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 Yo, who's antagonizing? Sorry, but you have been insulting people during all your responses, and trying to make me seem like a scum just because I'm pointing you out as a very likely scum. And of course you're trying to distract us with Voolvif, thanks a lot. He may or may not be scum, but it seems to me that you're a more likely choice to be scum. Insulting =/= antagonizing. You can not honestly look at your "Oh, he's trying to make sure the scum don't know that there's pretty much nothing to stop them from killing! He must be trying to keep us all in the dark! Booo!" and not call it an attempt to antagonize me. I'm not trying to distract anyone with anything. I'm pointing out how disturbing it is that you suddenly find me to be a serious suspect once Rover's neck is on the chopping block.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 Or they are dead. No. I took that quote from early in the day. before voting opened actually. They would have had plenty of time for throwing ruckus before the day ended at which point they would have been killed off. Also, remember that the quote is from day 3. The following night, the investigator and Zakura died. Neither of those two, as far as we know, was the town protector. Zakura had another nickname anyways: Zane. A real townie is honest about what he or she did, and feels no need to exaggerate, there is no purpose other than creating confusion. Your patronizing is not cute. If I remember correctly, you were one of the ones that believed most in the conversion theory, how unlikely it was, maybe it was because you were converted night 1, it would be the reason there was no scum kill. About that, if there really was no blocker, the only other possibility for that was a succesful protection, care to ask your so called protector who he protected night 1? I don't see how any of what he's said has contributed to confusion. Also, the conversion theory was not unlikely, especially given how much he supposedly knew at the time. He said to me at the time that he didn't think the protector protected anyone who had been targeted, and we now know that he knew there was no blocker. Aside from the possibility that the scum took no action, a conversion was more than likely. Perhaps Master Mundi should just stop talking, he is basically echoing Coryn, and it has been clear from yesterday: If Coryn is scum, so is Mundi. Please. Agreeing with him doesn't mean I'm echoing! I've contributed plenty of new points and opinions to the discussion, and I've been openly trying to help us take down the scum! Besides, I know I'm Town. I don't know for sure about Coryn. I believe, now more that earlier today, very strongly that he is Town, but that doesn't mean that if he's scum, I am! However, if by echoing you mean quoting him and providing my replies, that's just a preference thing. He tends to write out nice, organized posts that are easy to respond to, which makes my posting easier, but I don't only quote him! Oh, I see, you've been keeping things under wraps so that not only the scum wouldn't find out, but that the rest of the town would be ignorant too! Thanks a lot! Isn't it pretty obvious that we're a bit shorthanded, we're losing innocent Jedi faster than Jabba the Hutt loses dancing girls! I hate to say it, but a certain amount of secrecy is a tactical advantage in these games. I'm happy he kept that knowledge from the scum until now, but as Nahdar said, the Scum knew that the blocker hadn't been doing a good job at least. It seems so, and as we've heard before, the only way to find out is to lynch him, right? Wrong. As I said, even if Coryn's Scum, which I highly doubt, I'm not. And of course you're trying to distract us with Voolvif, thanks a lot. He may or may not be scum, but it seems to me that you're a more likely choice to be scum. If anything, Coryn's a distraction from Voolvif. He was on the table before you came out with your theory.
Palathadric Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 Getting hotheaded will not catch us scum. Being a jedi is all about serenity. So cool down and let's analyze the situation calmly. The situation is most confusing at present, but I would suggest that we leave Coryn alive for now and focus our attention for the moment on Master Monn. He has needed to die since Day 1, and I think now is as good a time as any.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 Getting hotheaded will not catch us scum. Being a jedi is all about serenity. So cool down and let's analyze the situation calmly. The situation is most confusing at present, but I would suggest that we leave Coryn alive for now and focus our attention for the moment on Master Monn. He has needed to die since Day 1, and I think now is as good a time as any. I agree. As I pointed out earlier, Monn has been acting scummy this whole time, and this whole Coryn argument is just a distraction from the object at hand: Monn.
ADHO15 Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 I would suggest that we leave Coryn alive for now and focus our attention for the moment on Master Monn. He has needed to die since Day 1, and I think now is as good a time as any. I agree. As I pointed out earlier, Monn has been acting scummy this whole time, and this whole Coryn argument is just a distraction from the object at hand: Monn. I was going to radically bring this point back up with a vote, but I guess it would be better for Master Monn to defend himself first. He's avoided a lynch for far too long and action is needed; not just words!
Scubacarrot Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 Okay, let's assume Monn's defense will not be too great, and he is lynched, what then? If he is scum, can we assume Master Ti tried to defend him by switching attention to the person that is the most 'high profile'? Maybe? If he is town, what have we learned then? Not opposing the lynch, per se, just want to make sure it's well thought out, and not: He is not contributing, we lynch him, we waste another day.
Palathadric Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 It's true that if we lynch Master Monn we will pretty much have nothing more to work off of, but if he is scum then lynching him can hardly be considered a wasted day. ...But I suppose we do need to tread carefully. For my part, though, I think I've seen enough of Voolvif, also I'm not sure what my schedule will be like tomorrow, but I think I may not be able to get online in time to vote, although I may, I really don't know, for now I will Proxy: Ki-Adi Mundi (Dannylonglegs). as I'm really not sure whether I'll be available to vote tomorrow and I don't want to vote just yet. I trust your judgement. If I do get back on I can always unProxy, right?
Masked Builder Posted May 30, 2012 Author Posted May 30, 2012 If I do get back on I can always unProxy, right? Yes you may.
Piranha Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 C-3PO was probably innocent I think. The scum probably have a framer. The problem we have is how did Master Ssiht know that the color of lightsaber blades determined allegiance? There were two options: 1: C-3PO was a Sith and told his fellow Sith buddies 2. Master Ssiht was the Sith Framer and his role said something about that Let us assume that Master Ssiht was the Sith Framer, then he couldn't have framed C-3PO on Night 3 could he? It would also mean that the Sith have a Janitor, and why would the Sith janitor a Town? All of the evidence compiled as far as I am concerned is that C-3PO was a Sith. Anyways, if Coryn was scum, then it would make sense that C3PO was janitored! It was a clever maneuver to make us think that C3PO was scum, but in reality, he was innocent, and Coryn was scum. Apply the logic above. Coryn helped us get two confirmed Sith, that would be pretty ridiculous for a Sith to do to his fellow Sith for a weak position that could easily be turned on him should the helpful Town disappear. Ithra, you seem a bit quick to accuse me and defend Coryn, and without a solid argument as to why you should point your finger at me. Well, why would Coryn help lynch two other scums? Maybe that was the scum plan, to weasel a scum into the respected townies group, and then you'll have that excuse. I don't know. But still, my argument on page 2 seems stronger than anyone else's argument against it. I was pointing the finger at you because you never explained the post I quoted, which I found awfully scummy. I don't see any strong reason in your argument on page two, his use of emoticons? Your other theories are less likely and more likely C-3PO was a Sith. The more and more I read from your posts, I get the feeling you are trying to confuse us and distract us.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 Okay, let's assume Monn's defense will not be too great, and he is lynched, what then? If he is scum, can we assume Master Ti tried to defend him by switching attention to the person that is the most 'high profile'? Maybe? If he is town, what have we learned then? Not opposing the lynch, per se, just want to make sure it's well thought out, and not: He is not contributing, we lynch him, we waste another day. I believe so. Shaak ti's sudden argument was indeed very distracting from the lynch of Monn we were discussing, but there is the possibility of bad timing. If he turns up scum then it's possible she was trying to shift the vote away, and also, if he's scum, Coryn, unless he likes playing gambits which threaten his win, is likely town. If Monn's town that doesn't necessarily mean Shaak ti's definitely town, and there's still the possibility that the attack on Coryn had nothing to do with Monn, and she's just targeting a major town rallying point that couldn't be killed at night because of his constant protection. I'm not certain about Shaak Ti yet, but if Monn turns out Sith, She's on my FoS list. It's true that if we lynch Master Monn we will pretty much have nothing more to work off of, but if he is scum then lynching him can hardly be considered a wasted day. ...But I suppose we do need to tread carefully. For my part, though, I think I've seen enough of Voolvif, also I'm not sure what my schedule will be like tomorrow, but I think I may not be able to get online in time to vote, although I may, I really don't know, for now I will Proxy: Ki-Adi Mundi (Dannylonglegs). as I'm really not sure whether I'll be available to vote tomorrow and I don't want to vote just yet. I trust your judgement. If I do get back on I can always unProxy, right? I am honoured to accept your proxy vote Master Kenobi. I shall use it wisely. I hardly think we'll get nothing out of Lynching Monn. Here's my argument against Monn He has only been doing the bare minimum in terms of participation. Every day he is FoSed by someone and he hardly ever responds. He follows the basic trends of the day and posts every now and then barely a paragraph, which is mostly all recap. From experiences in the archives, I can tell you, that is how a beginner scum/SK acts. And it stands. He has done nothing to prove me wrong. He didn't even address my accusation, so I will FoS: Voolvif Monn (JackJonespaw) one more time before I vote for him. The problem we have is how did Master Ssiht know that the color of lightsaber blades determined allegiance? There were two options: 1: C-3PO was a Sith and told his fellow Sith buddies 2. Master Ssiht was the Sith Framer and his role said something about that Let us assume that Master Ssiht was the Sith Framer, then he couldn't have framed C-3PO on Night 3 could he? It would also mean that the Sith have a Janitor, and why would the Sith janitor a Town? All of the evidence compiled as far as I am concerned is that C-3PO was a Sith. Yeah, that was my initial reaction to Euna's Townyness. I've since changed my mind and I agree with you. My biggest concern with Ti's argument is the quote you mentioned Ithra. Anyways, if Coryn was scum, then it would make sense that C3PO was janitored! It was a clever maneuver to make us think that C3PO was scum, but in reality, he was innocent, and Coryn was scum. It would make no sense for Coryn to janitor C-3PO if he was Scum. It would have been understandable if he showed up Town. We all make mistakes, but now that there's an aura of mystery surrounding C-3PO's death, everything's up in question. We could be erroneously trustful that Coryn made a mistake, but instead We can't trust anything. It all works against him rather than for him.
JackJonespaw Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 All right, all right. I can see that you all think me and my posts scummy, but before I make a defense, I would like to see exactly what I have said that proves so scummy.
Tamamono Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 All right, all right. I can see that you all think me and my posts scummy, but before I make a defense, I would like to see exactly what I have said that proves so scummy. Here's an idea, why don't we go through the threads and pick out everything you've said that hasn't been scummy. That would be a much shorter list. Also, I love your use of the word "prove". Nice slip.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 All right, all right. I can see that you all think me and my posts scummy, but before I make a defense, I would like to see exactly what I have said that proves so scummy. Starting with this one? There's plenty to defend yourself against without me mentioning every post you've made thus far. In every post, you essentially just sum up what's been said and pass it off as your own opinion. You don't add anything to the conversation and you're ambivalent about everything. Furthermore, this is the first time I remember that you've actually acknowledged that you've been FoSed. You look like you're trying to lie low.
Scubacarrot Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 All right, all right. I can see that you all think me and my posts scummy, but before I make a defense, I would like to see exactly what I have said that proves so scummy. That's not the right attitude.
TheBoyWonder Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 I voted for you, on Day 1. You never replied to my vote, you never asked why. You completely ignored it.
Flare Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 All right, all right. I can see that you all think me and my posts scummy, but before I make a defense, I would like to see exactly what I have said that proves so scummy. Wow. As much as I've been going for Coyrn as scum, this comment really bothers me. Seriously. Wait, this proves you scummy? Why, have they proved you right? FoS: Voolvif Moon (JackJonespaw) Now I'm really unsure on who to vote for, both of you seem scummy. I think that if we lynch Voolvif, and he turns out townie, then we'll know for sure that Coyrn is scum... otherwise Coryn might actually be safe. But vice versa, I'm not sure if it would prove anything. As for the thing of "how could Coryn be scum if he has already took out two scums?", I had an idea: Maybe he was converted after he took out those two scum! That would explain things nicely. How much more time do we have to vote?
Dannylonglegs Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 *snip* As for the thing of "how could Coryn be scum if he has already took out two scums?", I had an idea: Maybe he was converted after he took out those two scum! That would explain things nicely. How much more time do we have to vote?[/color] While I'm glad you're now turning your attention to someone who, at least in my mind, seems actually Scummy, You're argument against Coryn still seems, at least, unthought-through. Can the scum kill and convert on the same night? I think not! Never before have I heard of such an occurance. The only time the scum could have converted him was night one, before he came out with the info regarding Ssiht's investigation results. So that doesn't explain things nicely.
Scorpiox Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 I've been quite busy behind the scenes, and now I shall speak to all. Despite all that Shaak has been saying, it is still not enough to convince that Croyn is a Sith. The attack seems half-hearted, and not really throught though. If he'd been converted night one, then why the hell would he announce the investigation result on Hugar day two? No Sith sacrifices this many of his comrades. And now Shaak suddenly jumps upon Volviff when everyone else is talking about him, even though she was shouting out about distractions every time Coryn mentioned him. I really don't believe that Coryn is a Sith after all that he has done to hunt the real ones. As he said himself, it is not surprising that the Sith haven't killed him, as any wise Doctor would be keen to protect one of the most reliable Jedi here. I reckon that Shaak Ti is one to watch. FoS: Shaak Ti (Flare) As for Volviff himself, yet again his posts refuse to respond to any accusations at all. Just dodging suspicions doesn't make them go away, in fact, in cements them more thoroughly. And saying that you 'will make a defence' isn't actually one. You're just making all of us ever more sure about your alliengence. FoS: Volviff Monn (JackJonespaw)
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