Brickdoctor Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Add to that his 'plan' to wait with accusing? What good would that do?? It can help make someone look as if he's waiting to give everyone a chance to speak, when he's really a sheep waiting for others to state their suspicions first.
Dakar A Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 We're on lockdown? But I think I left the hyperdrive running! Poor captain. He was such a good man. Look, he had roses growing out of his shoulder. Bless him. So, let's get the finger-jabbing started. Anyone got any suspicions? Hey, I think I found a clue! Maybe! Either our fleet admiral is using factions interchangeably with allegiance, or something else... Seems a bit of an odd synonym to me. Doesn't help much right now, but nevertheless ignorance is most certainly not bliss given our current situation. Based off of this, it looks like we've got a town night kill role, or something of the like. Awesome, that will really help with mafia riddance, as long as they aren't singled out and killed.
Scouty Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Denied our duties? No man can fly this ship better than I. I hope whoever they've got up there knows his right hand from his left. These purists just want to poke some holes in our bucket of fun. That's not cool. Boy, I hope those hundreds of hours I spent in the simulators are wasted only to be killed off. Well, alright guys, looks like it's time to kill off some Purists. Best thing to do now is to have a nice little discussion, I believe. Let get to know each other, since we don't typically see each other while we do our once assigned duties. I don't know about you folks, but I'd sure like to get back doing mine.
Darkdragon Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Early accusations are always helpful I think, at least to get everyone talking and see reactions. Anyone could be scum and nobody except scum knows who or how many. The worst thing we could do would be lynch a loyal on day one, even worst if it's just because nobody ever said anything useful. This talk of two scum teams really worries me though, I hope that there is only one scum group to watch out for and that the others to watch out for might just be a vigilante or something like that. I suppose there is a good chance we will know by tomorrow if there is indeed a second scum group, because I think they would have to do something tonight and then that would reveal them. Right?
Scubacarrot Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 This talk of two scum teams really worries me though, I hope that there is only one scum group to watch out for and that the others to watch out for might just be a vigilante or something like that. I suppose there is a good chance we will know by tomorrow if there is indeed a second scum group, because I think they would have to do something tonight and then that would reveal them. Right? I would not worry too much about it, to be perfectly honest. Two scum teams means that there is the possibility of them taking each other out, which would be great.
Scouty Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Based off of this, it looks like we've got a town night kill role, or something of the like. Awesome, that will really help with mafia riddance, as long as they aren't singled out and killed. I don't really see how this points to somebody going out to kill purists at night. All it seems to point out is that people are good or with the LoP. Maybe there are some folks out there who'd rather not be bothered and just hope to survive this attack on our beautiful ship. Let's show them that we will prevail in ridding the Purists from this ship and do what we are supposed to do. Early accusations are always helpful I think, at least to get everyone talking and see reactions. Anyone could be scum and nobody except scum knows who or how many. The worst thing we could do would be lynch a loyal on day one, even worst if it's just because nobody ever said anything useful. This talk of two scum teams really worries me though, I hope that there is only one scum group to watch out for and that the others to watch out for might just be a vigilante or something like that. I suppose there is a good chance we will know by tomorrow if there is indeed a second scum group, because I think they would have to do something tonight and then that would reveal them. Right? Actually, the worst thing to do is to do nothing. Idleness will be this ship's doom. We learn from our sacrifices, our mistakes, we'll probably have more understanding of this situation with a loss than just idle banter. We shouldn't get into a panic of worrying about multiple groups here trying to attack this ship. It doesn't seem very likely (of course, anything goes). If there is, well, alright, let's chew them down, get them to attack each other, whatever it takes to survive and continue doing science!
Bob Posted June 23, 2012 Author Posted June 23, 2012 What?!? You're already leaving? "Don't worry. I'm still here. I'll never leave you." "Ever."
Masked Builder Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 We seem to be one crew member down, this is quite saddening. Idle bickering or talk won't get us anywhere, but we need to be open to any sort of leads that come up.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Wow, I'm the cartographer and I can't do my job. Time to root out them purists.
KotZ Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Ok, I realize the flaws in my idea. I was wanting to give everyone a fair shot, but I see that in this situation of life or death, we really can't wait around. And yeah, if there are more than one group, we'll nail 'em all. That Power-Ray Washer 6000.1 I have will help. But until then, we're all off duty? So I can't clean? Ok, definitely think we can't be idle. If I can't clean the ship then we have to get them.
Brickdoctor Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 This talk of two scum teams really worries me though, I hope that there is only one scum group to watch out for and that the others to watch out for might just be a vigilante or something like that. It doesn't say, "keep on the lookout for other killers", it says "keep on the look out for other factions". Vigs are Townie. They aren't separate factions or Independents.
Darkdragon Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 It doesn't say, "keep on the lookout for other killers", it says "keep on the look out for other factions". Vigs are Townie. They aren't separate factions or Independents. Yeah good point. Other factions could be scum or town then perhaps. Hmm, but on the other hand it might be a bit early to concentrate all of our efforts on this. Like Falcon said, probably more important trying to find out who is actually Purists and get rid of them first, while keeping on the look out for other factions.
Peanuts Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 I think there's no point in speculating about other scum factions, as there is no way we could verify them right now. And even if there are other scum groups, I don't see how that would influence our course of action at that point. And accusations per se are good, but baseless accusations (like accusations based on people's hairstyles ) won't get us anywhere at all, but rather distract us.
KotZ Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 And accusations per se are good, but baseless accusations (like accusations based on people's hairstyles ) won't get us anywhere at all, but rather distract us. Or because you're a janitor trying to do your job
CMP Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Of course there's nothing we can do about extra hostile factions right now. I'm just saying it's something to keep in mind. Taking out a scum isn't confirming their towniness if there's more than one scum faction.
Waterbrick Down Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Heavens above the captain's dead. (Inspects the body) From my superior security training I propose that the weapon of choice was a rose bush! Therefor the murderer must be none other than the ship's gardener! (Looks around to blank stares) Well at least I have some good news, the treadmills are operational again. Of course we're going into space! No cultists can stop the will of man to boldly go were none have gone before! We need to concentrate on finding out who among us belongs to this treacherous group, and any other groups that are trying to hold us back from achieving our manifest destiny! I find it somewhat odd and ironic that your first post referred to this group of purists as some long gone faction devoted to a dead religion, unless you are aware of something the rest of us don't know. And accusations per se are good, but baseless accusations (like accusations based on people's hairstyles ) won't get us anywhere at all, but rather distract us. Actually, baseless accusations are generally what get people's ire up, which can tend towards them letting something slip if they're trying to hide something. As always my theory, and I'm sure it coincides with most of you, is that the more people talk, the more chance there is of a slip up. It's like my galactic hockey coach once said, "The more times you shoot the biscuit, the more chance you have of it going in."
Flipz Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 No, no, there's no point in warning us about something that is pretty much inevitable in these situations anyway. I'm quite confident due to the wording that there is another scum faction. Aye, I have ta agree. If not another Scum faction, then some other faction with a bizzare win condition (i.e. plant "seeds" on us and try ta have the majority of surviving crewmwmbers 'seeded' when the situation ends--yes I've been reading old Batman comics, why do ya ask? ). I personally am hopin' fer tha latter, as there's a chance that they can win with us Loyalists. I, for one, actually find Ensign Rockford's joking to be a bit of a towntell. When I first learned of Ensign Robbins' job, the first thing that popped into my mind, too, was that it'd be ironic if he was the Scum Janitor. I even got a bit of a chuckle out of it. However, I've been around a long time, and I know that roles and jobs are always unrelated (or at least should be ), so I didn't bring it up. Ensign Rockford is still a bit green, so it'd make sense for him to bring something like that up as town, but not as scum. As scum, he would want to avoid attention as much as possible, and bringing something like that up would only draw attention to him. ...O'course, ye'll fergive me if I dismiss all this information about Town-tells as bollocks; I experienced a Holodeck program recently tha' eroded my trust in such things, especially when tha information comes from a figure not unlike yerself. I would not worry too much about it, to be perfectly honest. Two scum teams means that there is the possibility of them taking each other out, which would be great. There's also tha possibility of tha two joinin' tagether and annhiliatin' us all. We need ta avoid tha' at all costs. Not that we can do much at tha moment, but if ye're a Loyalist wi' a Power Role, be aware o' tha possibility o' a second non-Town team. In fact, it'd be best if tha Loyalists had one or two people ta rally around ta direct their Night Actions. I may just be a junior Engineer, but I'd be happy ta construct such an alliance, if ye're willin'. Anyhow, I was just in tha corner calibratin' my Scumdar Scumcorder when it pinged this statement... We're on lockdown? But I think I left the hyperdrive running! Poor captain. He was such a good man. Look, he had roses growing out of his shoulder. Bless him. So, let's get the finger-jabbing started. Anyone got any suspicions? Hey, I think I found a clue! Maybe! Either our fleet admiral is using factions interchangeably with allegiance, or something else... Seems a bit of an odd synonym to me. Doesn't help much right now, but nevertheless ignorance is most certainly not bliss given our current situation. It does make sense. One scum devoted to killing us all and stopping the voyage to meet aliens (well, that's what I'm getting out of 'Purists'), the other a scum of aliens trying to do the exact same to keep us from interfering with them. I still think being confident about another scum team is jumping to conclusions, though. There's only 23 of us, they'd have to be awful small teams for there to be two of them. We're in no position to confirm it, but even less so can we rule it out as a possibility. Guess we gotta keep our eyes and our minds open even more than what's usual in mysterious sudden murders and the massacre following the days afterward like these. Ye seem awful eager ta help, but yer statements don't seem ta be helpin' tha' much...granted, pointin' out tha possibility o' a second team was potentially helpful, but it's more o' a "keep in mind" sort o' thing rather than a "oh look a vital clue" sort o' thing. I mebbe readin' too much inta this, but we do have ta start somewhere...
CMP Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Ye seem awful eager ta help, but yer statements don't seem ta be helpin' tha' much...granted, pointin' out tha possibility o' a second team was potentially helpful, but it's more o' a "keep in mind" sort o' thing rather than a "oh look a vital clue" sort o' thing. I mebbe readin' too much inta this, but we do have ta start somewhere... I'm more than aware of that: Doesn't help much right now, but nevertheless ignorance is most certainly not bliss given our current situation. If I'm on your scumdar because I've pointed out a passively helpful clue rather than a nonexistent vital one, fine. I'm glad to be on it. I don't deny it's not of any particular importance right now, but I didn't want it go unnoticed.
Peanuts Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Actually, baseless accusations are generally what get people's ire up, which can tend towards them letting something slip if they're trying to hide something. As always my theory, and I'm sure it coincides with most of you, is that the more people talk, the more chance there is of a slip up. It's like my galactic hockey coach once said, "The more times you shoot the biscuit, the more chance you have of it going in." So let's all accuse each other for no reason whatsoever? Baseless accusation have a tendency to irritate people, yes, but they do so regardless of their allegiance. Angry scum aren't far more prone to slip-ups, but angry townies are very likely to miss such slip-ups and instead lynch these useless townies who do nothing but accusing others randomly. Seriously, we need to keep calm and rational, and not seek to annoy each other as much as possible. And have you really just advocated baseless accusations?
Darkdragon Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 And have you really just advocated baseless accusations? The problem is: today what can we actually base accusations on other than someone's reaction to being accused? If you have an idea on how to find out some actual facts today, I'm all eyes.
Flipz Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 If I'm on your scumdar because I've pointed out a passively helpful clue rather than a nonexistent vital one, fine. I'm glad to be on it. I don't deny it's not of any particular importance right now, but I didn't want it go unnoticed. 1.) It's more because ya seemed ta push it rather hard considerin' how minor it is, and that fact tha' in tha second statement I quoted, ya seemed ta suddenly take it back ("I still think being confident about another scum team is jumping to conclusions, though"). It just feels scummy ta me, you understand? 2.) It's a Scumcorder, not a Scumdar, dammit! This is spcae, people, just go with it!
Brickdoctor Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 The problem is: today what can we actually base accusations on other than someone's reaction to being accused? If you have an idea on how to find out some actual facts today, I'm all eyes. But you have to have some basis to the accusation, otherwise you'll just confuse people and the reaction of the accused may or may not accurately reflect his allegiance. A Townie might act Scummy in his anger at being accused of something that doesn't make sense.
Flipz Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 So let's all accuse each other for no reason whatsoever? Baseless accusation have a tendency to irritate people, yes, but they do so regardless of their allegiance. Angry scum aren't far more prone to slip-ups, but angry townies are very likely to miss such slip-ups and instead lynch these useless townies who do nothing but accusing others randomly. Seriously, we need to keep calm and rational, and not seek to annoy each other as much as possible. And have you really just advocated baseless accusations? We need ta talk ta find tha Scum. We talk, the Scum say things (or else look suspicious for lurkin' about and nae sayin' anythin'. Sooner or later, tha Scum come ta regret sayin' those things because they can't keep up tha charade. If it takes baseless accusations ta create conversation, fine, let's go with it. Should we stay mature? O' course. Should we stay silent? Heck no! We hafta speak up, or else tha Scum can hide right within our midst like they did in my holodeck program. Yer attempt ta derail tha investigative process is duly noted, though.
Peanuts Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 The problem is: today what can we actually base accusations on other than someone's reaction to being accused? If you have an idea on how to find out some actual facts today, I'm all eyes. How about people's behaviour in the first place, how vocal they are, if they actually contribute anything or just try to look active, and so on. 2.) It's a Scumcorder, not a Scumdar, dammit! This is spcae, people, just go with it! So far we're still in the orbit, aren't we?
CMP Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 I don't know what you mean by pushing it, or what I'm taking back. Wheeler asked me to elaborate, and I was careful to point out to Walters that he shouldn't be so sure there was another scum team. I'm not going to try my darnest to purge any doubt in your mind that I'm townie (that's pretty much pointless), but I'm going to respond to your accusations. If that's what you mean by pushing it so hard.
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